Those who don't learn from history are doomed to repeat it.

Vanguard

Age of Conan

Tabula Rasa

etc.

You can only poke, prod, and pester the people so many times before they wake up and go for the throat.

If you have to delay launch to have a good game, do it.

Don't screw people. We've had it up to here.

Sign me.

Originally posted by Aesper

Those who don't learn from history are doomed to repeat it.

 

Vanguard

Age of Conan

Tabula Rasa

etc.

 

You can only poke, prod, and pester the people so many times before they wake up and go for the throat.

 

If you have to delay launch to have a good game, do it.

Don't screw people. We've had it up to here.

 

Sign me.

Add Dark and Light to that list as well, at least from what ive been told.

Couldnt agree more, if the devs think the game needs it, by all means delay.

Don't let it be said that they where forced to launch early due to pressure from the consumers.

-Darkstar

If they waited all this time to release thier game they are better off delaying it to meet a few promises that will be crushed.

even 1 more month could = more bug squashing, better polish to the game. even get the game to a state they can feel confy to lift the nda and have a small beta.

also this can buy them time to get a correct preorder format .

not only this will do good for thier product. It will help some of the skeptical people make up their mind to go for the product.

as for the fans. 1 month more would not hurt them they have waited this long

the only big neg i see of this is of course the trolls and the Tasos bashing. but thats about it.

And IF certain important stuff has to be left out out at launch be HONOUST / HONEST (depending on your favourite / favorite kind of English) about it. Honesty towards your playerbase is highly apreciated and makes it that you can get away with much more issues and errors than lying about one tiny thing. And that is a free pro tip.

Thank you.

I love it when people give advice on Internet forums. It's like shaking an ant farm... it's fun, but accomplishes nothing besides pissing off the ants.

Anyway, time will tell whether or not Darkfall will be a failure, or if it will be a minimal success.  I personally hope they release a badass, polished FFA sandbox game.  I'm even crossing my fingers and toes.  But my skepticism is preventing me from drinking the koolaid.

Time will tell my friend, time will tell.

No. Absolutely not.

I call...Turn over your cards. If they aren't ready now then they aren't going to be ready.. It's simple: This game has been "ready for release tomorrow" since 2003 or sooner. At this point it's just rediculous.  And for them to say that they will not put a release date out untill they are sure they are ready or some such nonsense, and then spout 3 launch dates recently and then not hit any of them??

So if there is in fact a playable game called Darkfall, and you want it to be pushed back to be a great game at release, then you might have to wait several more years.

Originally posted by oddjobs74

No. Absolutely not.

I call...Turn over your cards. If they aren't ready now then they aren't going to be ready.. It's simple: This game has been "ready for release tomorrow" since 2003 or sooner. At this point it's just rediculous.  And for them to say that they will not put a release date out untill they are sure they are ready or some such nonsense, and then spout 3 launch dates recently and then not hit any of them??

So if there is in fact a playable game called Darkfall, and you want it to be pushed back to be a great game at release, then you might have to wait several more years.

 

 

No, you should stop posting.

I made a thread awhile ago that pointed out the hypocrits that would bash AoC etc for not delaying and releasing a game that wasnt finished...and then bashed games for delaying.

DF needs to delay if a launch would not be very smooth, that is just common sense.  Another delay would not make any of the haters who feel like aventurine owes them something and somehow wronged them in the past hate the game anymore or less.  Even though they choose to follow a game they have invested no money in, they still feel entitled to something.

Darkfall needs to be delayed if the devs feel it is not able to launch smoothly.  It is the smart choice and OP is 100% right.  History is on our side the arguement...as look at all the "big studios" who have released unfinished games and failed because they didnt delay.

If Vanguard and Dark and Light hadn't so utterly failed, people would not be so angry with Darkfall. I think, at this point, it has become a form of entertainment to either talk good or bad about Darkfall. This is sad, folks, those who find this a form of entertainment worth while. Go read a book. Try Terence Mckenna! :) 

Bye!!

Originally posted by imbant

Originally posted by oddjobs74

No. Absolutely not.

I call...Turn over your cards. If they aren't ready now then they aren't going to be ready.. It's simple: This game has been "ready for release tomorrow" since 2003 or sooner. At this point it's just rediculous.  And for them to say that they will not put a release date out untill they are sure they are ready or some such nonsense, and then spout 3 launch dates recently and then not hit any of them??

So if there is in fact a playable game called Darkfall, and you want it to be pushed back to be a great game at release, then you might have to wait several more years.

 

 

 

No, you should stop posting.

I made a thread awhile ago that pointed out the hypocrits that would bash AoC etc for not delaying and releasing a game that wasnt finished...and then bashed games for delaying.

DF needs to delay if a launch would not be very smooth, that is just common sense.  Another delay would not make any of the haters who feel like aventurine owes them something and somehow wronged them in the past hate the game anymore or less.  Even though they choose to follow a game they have invested no money in, they still feel entitled to something.

Darkfall needs to be delayed if the devs feel it is not able to launch smoothly.  It is the smart choice and OP is 100% right.  History is on our side the arguement...as look at all the "big studios" who have released unfinished games and failed because they didnt delay.

Ok I should stop posting?
 

You talk about what is common sense, and In most cases, I would agree with you 100% in a normal situation where the game has a navigateable website, and there aren't little tid bits of cryptic information and blatant lies. You are missing the point here . How can a game that has been ready to launch since 2003 still not be ready at this point? Does that not raise any red flags with you people? And Again I'll mention where Tasos  has said that they will not put out a release date untill it is ready...

What I'm saying is I do agree with you  in what you say in your second paragraph. Just not when it comes to Darkfall...And I do not feel this comapny owes me anything and I could realy care less if it is real is not real releases or dosen't. My interest is in the industry, and the practices by these people can hurt it.  The bottom line is how can it need to be pushed back further?

Most normal folks can understand if Sony or Mythic or Blizzard whatever, have a release date and push a game back a month, or maybe a couple, but several years?  Your post is for the most part well thought out, mature and logical, but I think my point of view is valid.

Originally posted by imbant

Originally posted by oddjobs74

No. Absolutely not.

I call...Turn over your cards. If they aren't ready now then they aren't going to be ready.. It's simple: This game has been "ready for release tomorrow" since 2003 or sooner. At this point it's just rediculous.  And for them to say that they will not put a release date out untill they are sure they are ready or some such nonsense, and then spout 3 launch dates recently and then not hit any of them??

So if there is in fact a playable game called Darkfall, and you want it to be pushed back to be a great game at release, then you might have to wait several more years.

 

 

 

No, you should stop posting.

I made a thread awhile ago that pointed out the hypocrits that would bash AoC etc for not delaying and releasing a game that wasnt finished...and then bashed games for delaying.

DF needs to delay if a launch would not be very smooth, that is just common sense.  Another delay would not make any of the haters who feel like aventurine owes them something and somehow wronged them in the past hate the game anymore or less.  Even though they choose to follow a game they have invested no money in, they still feel entitled to something.

Darkfall needs to be delayed if the devs feel it is not able to launch smoothly.  It is the smart choice and OP is 100% right.  History is on our side the arguement...as look at all the "big studios" who have released unfinished games and failed because they didnt delay.

Imbant well put couldn't have said it better.

 Yes, prove us all right for the... what, 4th?  5th year?

Delay your failure.

people say releasing a game which should be in beta is bad thing, but not if you REALLY would like to be in the games beta. think of it like getting into the beta early, paying your money upfront. if the betas fun its worth paying for, they can always pollish the game later. obviously if the game is completely unplayable then it should be delayed. I agree it will probably hurt subs to release unfinished but personally dont play games for subs like seemingly alot of people on these boards do.

Originally posted by Borkotron

If Vanguard and Dark and Light hadn't so utterly failed, people would not be so angry with Darkfall. I think, at this point, it has become a form of entertainment to either talk good or bad about Darkfall. This is sad, folks, those who find this a form of entertainment worth while. Go read a book. Try Terence Mckenna! :) 

 

Bye!!

Oh I agree, i think we have alot of ex Dark and Light fanbois here who had their hopes broken, and now has to take it out on the fans of the next big hopefull thing.

At least i can play Darkfall till 2012, when technology catches up to us....

-Darkstar

Originally posted by Darkstar111

Originally posted by Borkotron

If Vanguard and Dark and Light hadn't so utterly failed, people would not be so angry with Darkfall. I think, at this point, it has become a form of entertainment to either talk good or bad about Darkfall. This is sad, folks, those who find this a form of entertainment worth while. Go read a book. Try Terence Mckenna! :) 

 

Bye!!

 

Oh I agree, i think we have alot of ex Dark and Light fanbois here who had their hopes broken, and now has to take it out on the fans of the next big hopefull thing.

 

At least i can play Darkfall till 2012, when technology catches up to us....

 

-Darkstar

 

 

I hope you dont mean current tech catching up to Darkfall...

Because if so, I think between the development time of the game and the overall systems, Technology lapped the game a few times over by now...

Originally posted by xxxfistxxx

Originally posted by imbant

Originally posted by oddjobs74

No. Absolutely not.

I call...Turn over your cards. If they aren't ready now then they aren't going to be ready.. It's simple: This game has been "ready for release tomorrow" since 2003 or sooner. At this point it's just rediculous.  And for them to say that they will not put a release date out untill they are sure they are ready or some such nonsense, and then spout 3 launch dates recently and then not hit any of them??

So if there is in fact a playable game called Darkfall, and you want it to be pushed back to be a great game at release, then you might have to wait several more years.

 

 

 

No, you should stop posting.

I made a thread awhile ago that pointed out the hypocrits that would bash AoC etc for not delaying and releasing a game that wasnt finished...and then bashed games for delaying.

DF needs to delay if a launch would not be very smooth, that is just common sense.  Another delay would not make any of the haters who feel like aventurine owes them something and somehow wronged them in the past hate the game anymore or less.  Even though they choose to follow a game they have invested no money in, they still feel entitled to something.

Darkfall needs to be delayed if the devs feel it is not able to launch smoothly.  It is the smart choice and OP is 100% right.  History is on our side the arguement...as look at all the "big studios" who have released unfinished games and failed because they didnt delay.

 

Imbant well put couldn't have said it better.

Dec 4, 2008: Tasos: "Darkfall could launch today. It's more ready for launch than most, if not all of the MMORPG titles at the same stage that I've personally sampled and it has been for quite some time. Everything has been tested internally"
(reference: www.mmorpg.com/gamelist.cfm/game/4/feature/2494/from/%2Ffeatures.cfm%2Fview%2Flatest/Interview-with-Tasos-Flambouras.html)

Really... do you guys read what Tacos says at all?

Originally posted by altairzq

Originally posted by xxxfistxxx

Originally posted by imbant

Originally posted by oddjobs74

No. Absolutely not.

I call...Turn over your cards. If they aren't ready now then they aren't going to be ready.. It's simple: This game has been "ready for release tomorrow" since 2003 or sooner. At this point it's just rediculous.  And for them to say that they will not put a release date out untill they are sure they are ready or some such nonsense, and then spout 3 launch dates recently and then not hit any of them??

So if there is in fact a playable game called Darkfall, and you want it to be pushed back to be a great game at release, then you might have to wait several more years.

 

 

 

No, you should stop posting.

I made a thread awhile ago that pointed out the hypocrits that would bash AoC etc for not delaying and releasing a game that wasnt finished...and then bashed games for delaying.

DF needs to delay if a launch would not be very smooth, that is just common sense.  Another delay would not make any of the haters who feel like aventurine owes them something and somehow wronged them in the past hate the game anymore or less.  Even though they choose to follow a game they have invested no money in, they still feel entitled to something.

Darkfall needs to be delayed if the devs feel it is not able to launch smoothly.  It is the smart choice and OP is 100% right.  History is on our side the arguement...as look at all the "big studios" who have released unfinished games and failed because they didnt delay.

 

Imbant well put couldn't have said it better.

Dec 4, 2008: Tasos: "Darkfall could launch today. It's more ready for launch than most, if not all of the MMORPG titles at the same stage that I've personally sampled and it has been for quite some time. Everything has been tested internally"
(reference: www.mmorpg.com/gamelist.cfm/game/4/feature/2494/from/%2Ffeatures.cfm%2Fview%2Flatest/Interview-with-Tasos-Flambouras.html)

 

Really... do you guys read what Tacos says at all?

Fanbois choose to ignore things like this. There simply nothing to say other than fall back to another poor excuse. e.g. We don't have the network infrastrcuture... like it was something they just thought about. Or perhaps it only occured to them one month before launch ?!?! Hmmm... 

Anyways, I am sure there are quotes going back earlier than this too stating the "game is ready for launch". Its not so much DF long development or move from one country to another... its the bullshit generator that quotes like this come from. 

Though this time it will hopefully come to a crunch, though the possiblity of another BS excuse is amusing to say the least.

The game probably needs to be released due to funding issues (hence the hosting and publisher issues). Its probably whhhay to early BUT I am beginning to suspect any length of time won't be enough if everything else about aventurine is the same as there PR and relationship with its own audience.

Originally posted by imbant

No, you should stop posting.

I made a thread awhile ago that pointed out the hypocrits that would bash AoC etc for not delaying and releasing a game that wasnt finished...and then bashed games for delaying.

DF needs to delay if a launch would not be very smooth, that is just common sense.  Another delay would not make any of the haters who feel like aventurine owes them something and somehow wronged them in the past hate the game anymore or less.  Even though they choose to follow a game they have invested no money in, they still feel entitled to something.

Darkfall needs to be delayed if the devs feel it is not able to launch smoothly.  It is the smart choice and OP is 100% right.  History is on our side the arguement...as look at all the "big studios" who have released unfinished games and failed because they didnt delay.

You just seem to be a diehard fan dude.....

Your defending this pathetic company like your life depended on it.....

Aventurine is a failure of a company and has no business putting out a game, they should go back to the military or w/e the fuck they do, apparently they suck as that too, WTF has Greece taken over lately? (no offence intended if your from Greece, just messing around)

This company is doign nothing but spitting out lies and false promises.  They dug this deep hole for themself and now they have to claw their way out of it.  They are drowning fast, and they won't be able to get their head above water anytime soon.  ANYTHING short of a flawless release and swift patches is going to send the majority of the gaming community to other games.  There are several games on DF's heels, all of which look better than DF imho.....

Originally posted by mjones1052

Originally posted by imbant 

 

Aventurine is a failure of a company and has no business putting out a game, they should go back to the military or w/e the fuck they do, apparently they suck as that too, WTF has Greece taken over lately? (no offence intended if your from Greece, just messing around)

 

Pretty sad when you want a game to fail so badly you take the time out of your life to make posts like this.

Sorry but Aventurine isnt a failure of a company.  They may choose not to spend the time and money on prelaunch pr like other "non fail companies" (oh wait those companies actually failed hard)...doesnt mean they havent developed a great niche game.

You are just a troll.  Maybe im a fanboy, but i would rather be really excited about a game that I enjoy that gives me a lot of entertainment versus someone who posts on a forum over and over putting down a game i have no interest in and bashing a company that i know nothing about and probably will never be half as successfull as its employees. 

Originally posted by imbant

Originally posted by mjones1052

Originally posted by imbant 

 

Aventurine is a failure of a company and has no business putting out a game, they should go back to the military or w/e the fuck they do, apparently they suck as that too, WTF has Greece taken over lately? (no offence intended if your from Greece, just messing around)

 

 

Pretty sad when you want a game to fail so badly you take the time out of your life to make posts like this.

Sorry but Aventurine isnt a failure of a company.  They may choose not to spend the time and money on prelaunch pr like other "non fail companies" (oh wait those companies actually failed hard)...doesnt mean they havent developed a great niche game.

You are just a troll.  Maybe im a fanboy, but i would rather be really excited about a game that I enjoy that gives me a lot of entertainment versus someone who posts on a forum over and over putting down a game i have no interest in and bashing a company that i know nothing about and probably will never be half as successfull as its employees. 

You are excited about a game you enjoy ... enjoy what? enjoy talking about it?  enjoy waiting?  enjoy defending?  what can you enjoy when you know practically nothing.  Last but not least, you are also posting here over and over, and you criticize him about posting over and over.  Ketttle calling the pot.
 

I do not have a crystal ball, I cannot tell what will happen tomorrow for adventurine (if there is a tomorrow for them).  Common sense does tell me that adventurine appears not interested in attractive positive goodwill from its potential client base, and that suggest there is something odd in the company.  To say the least.

You can continue to worship, appreciate, wait ... other can continue to condemn, tease, go on with their own business.  Noe of these business will change the fact that adventurine has not yet released anything solid about their only product in the horizon.  The argument that adventurine has every right to stall and delay for as long as they wish ... ,  oh come on.  Sure, I have all the rights on earth to burn down my house (kidding).  That does not make it wise.

Originally posted by Aesper

Those who don't learn from history are doomed to repeat it.

 

Vanguard

Age of Conan

Tabula Rasa

etc.

 

You can only poke, prod, and pester the people so many times before they wake up and go for the throat.

 

If you have to delay launch to have a good game, do it.

Don't screw people. We've had it up to here.

 

Sign me.

You make it sound like the reason those games failed, was because they were delayed. It wasn't. It was because they sucked donkey balls.