Originally posted by Waterlily

"Mostly, the gamers seemed healthy; their body mass index was better than the US average and, although they were slightly more depressed than average, they were also less anxious."

How the hell do they have BMI indexes too if they didn't give out names, which is total bs on SoE's part I think.

This to me looks like pure statistics speculation on the "scientist's" part. That said, who says the gov't doesn't do this on a regular basis anyway.

 

 

 

 

Originally posted by Waterlily

"Mostly, the gamers seemed healthy; their body mass index was better than the US average and, although they were slightly more depressed than average, they were also less anxious."

How the hell do they have BMI indexes too if they didn't give out names, which is total bs on SoE's part I think.

BMI indexes were derived from a survey which was also used

arstechnica.com/science/news/2009/02/aaas-60tb-of-behavioral-data-the-everquest-2-server-logs.ars

The end result is a log that includes four years of data for over 400,000 players that took part in the game, which was followed up with demographic surveys of the users

www.physorg.com/news153832130.html

Williams was the first game researcher to be granted access to a major online world's database. As a result, he was able to match hard data about in-world behavior with survey responses.

Nearly 7,000 players of "EverQuest II" agreed to participate in exchange for an in-world prize, "The Great Staff of the Sun Serpent.

kotaku.com/5056938/mmo-players-surprisingly-adept-at-lying-on-surveys

Originally posted by Nadia

Originally posted by Waterlily

"Mostly, the gamers seemed healthy; their body mass index was better than the US average and, although they were slightly more depressed than average, they were also less anxious."

How the hell do they have BMI indexes too if they didn't give out names, which is total bs on SoE's part I think.

BMI indexes were derived from a survey which was also used

arstechnica.com/science/news/2009/02/aaas-60tb-of-behavioral-data-the-everquest-2-server-logs.ars

The end result is a log that includes four years of data for over 400,000 players that took part in the game, which was followed up with demographic surveys of the users

 

www.physorg.com/news153832130.html

Williams was the first game researcher to be granted access to a major online world's database. As a result, he was able to match hard data about in-world behavior with survey responses.

Nearly 7,000 players of "EverQuest II" agreed to participate in exchange for an in-world prize, "The Great Staff of the Sun Serpent.

 

kotaku.com/5056938/mmo-players-surprisingly-adept-at-lying-on-surveys

 

 

 

 

 

 

Intresting links thanks.
 

But geez I really laugh about the many replies in this topic, it really seems that the words SOE trigger something inside of certain people that they completly ignore what the article is all about, which to ANY MMORPG player or GAMER would normaly be very intresting information. But then again forums like this arn't all about informing eachother anymore, but more what can we find to bash next...........

Originally posted by Nadia

Originally posted by Waterlily

"Mostly, the gamers seemed healthy; their body mass index was better than the US average and, although they were slightly more depressed than average, they were also less anxious."

How the hell do they have BMI indexes too if they didn't give out names, which is total bs on SoE's part I think.

BMI indexes were derived from a survey which was also used

arstechnica.com/science/news/2009/02/aaas-60tb-of-behavioral-data-the-everquest-2-server-logs.ars

The end result is a log that includes four years of data for over 400,000 players that took part in the game, which was followed up with demographic surveys of the users

 

www.physorg.com/news153832130.html

Williams was the first game researcher to be granted access to a major online world's database. As a result, he was able to match hard data about in-world behavior with survey responses.

Nearly 7,000 players of "EverQuest II" agreed to participate in exchange for an in-world prize, "The Great Staff of the Sun Serpent.

 

kotaku.com/5056938/mmo-players-surprisingly-adept-at-lying-on-surveys

 

Way to go SOE. Corrupt the fair level playing field by offering an in game item for real world activity.

Soe has been my least favorite mmo company for a while now and this is just another reason to stay away from all things SOE. Their lack of support and development in the mmo world is legendary.

Originally posted by Samuraisword

Way to go SOE. Corrupt the fair level playing field by offering an in game item for real world activity.

eq2.allakhazam.com/db/item.html

Greatstaff of the Sun Serpent
FABLED
LORE NO-TRADE NO-VALUE
+4 str, +4 agi, +4 sta, +4 wis, +4 int, +10 health, +10 power

Two-Hand Crushing
Damage 3 - 10 (5.9 Rating)

fear that 2 handed weapon that may do 10 points of damage !

Originally posted by Nadia

Originally posted by Samuraisword

Way to go SOE. Corrupt the fair level playing field by offering an in game item for real world activity.

eq2.allakhazam.com/db/item.html

Greatstaff of the Sun Serpent
FABLED
LORE NO-TRADE NO-VALUE
+4 str, +4 agi, +4 sta, +4 wis, +4 int, +10 health, +10 power

Two-Hand Crushing
Damage 3 - 10 (5.9 Rating)

 

fear that 2 handed weapon that may do 10 points of damage !

That's an extremely powerful item for a lvl 2 character based on the stat bonuses. That is something a caster would benefit from very much. Some people also overlook the fact that characters can be sold with no trade items and that flashy unique items  have value.

Regardless, the concept of a virtual world is one where everything is earned within the confines of such a virtual boundary. Anyone who doesn't respect that doesn't appreciate the concept of a virtual world. Developers should be the last people violating this tenet.

Well, this thread is very strange in a way.

Giving away data for psychology is useful, because it shows them how people work in an online relation, i am going to college for psychology, so i can see why this could be useful. I am guessing they want to know what really goes on during parties, guilds, or just random people encounter. Online relation is just talkin to them in a screen, it differs in a lot of ways in the real world, as many people would agree.

We don't know whats in these logs, it could have really personal information, or just have bits and pieces of a conversation, but 60TBs of information is a lot for a game, alot for logs. A lot of people will agree with this, a lot of people will hate the idea. I am neutral ground on this.

Originally posted by Waterlily

Originally posted by ValiumSummer

Just another reason to go off on SOE.  

 

Pleeeeaase, giving away 60TB of personal data is just ridiculous, if this was a phone company they would be shutting their doors right now. SoE somehow gets away with a lot of stuff, but this is so illegal and violates so many privacy laws in so many countries that it's just beyong belief.

Reminds me of when the banks/telephone companies off-shored customer services then all of a sudden ppl where finding out their private data was being sold by the CS staff for a few thousand rupee's at a time however the companies involved just offered up an apology after a watchdog program highlighted what was going on when they bought personal data themselves.

No matter how safe you THINK your personal data is it really isn't at all and then you have the problem that when you click to agree to whatever games terms and conditions you are probably waivering some of your rights to personal data protection in some for or other, it happened years ago in EQ1 when they wanted access to certain parts of your PC to check for 3rd party programs that they deemed illegal in thier games, if you didn't agree with it then guess what, you didn't get into the game as you had to hit "Decline", the choice was then left to you, was your personal data and protection worth more than playing a game, guess those subscribing still to games that do this think it's not worth losing access to their game for some personal data.

At the end of the day we all have to trust the system each time we use PayPal/Ebay/Online Banking or anything else that requires us to input our data, heck even when you hand over your card to someone in a shop or petrol station your taking a chance with your personal data and stand the chance of having your card cloned and losing money to unscrupolous ppl, in my area there is 1 petrol station that has the reputation of having the most cloned cards in Norfolk and I'm still amazed ppl still use the bloody place after all the bad publicity it recieved.

60TB???

Do you know how much info that is? I'm surprised SoE even HAS 60TB of chat logs...

100 Lines of chat = 36KB

1KB = 0.0009765625MB

1MB = 0.0009765625 GB

1GB = 0.0009765625 TB

100 L.O.C/36KB x 1KB/0.0009765625MB x 1MB/0.0009765625GB x 1GB/0.0009765625TB =

2,987,776,081 Lines of Chat /ONE Terabyte...

Multiply that by 60 and you get:

179,266,564,896 Lines of Chat

OVER ONE HUNDRED BILLION LINES OF CHAT!!! (yes, that is also OVER 9000 lines!)

...That's a lot of talking...

I feel like such a lab rat...

Sorry but those complaining are acting childish. The OP is twisting the facts to make people share his or her hate for SOE.

Lets look at the details that the OP conveniently left out.

" We're providing our data for science! In a recent collaboration, SOE shared over 60TB of server logs from EverQuest II and additional data collected from a voluntary player survey with a team of academic researchers who hope to use the data to study human interactions through the gaming environment, connections between players and how their online networks are built and used, and more.

The server logs were scrubbed of all PII (Personally Identifiable Information) prior to being provided to the researchers, including chat log content. The team received data such as the volume, frequency and demographics of in-game chatters, but none of this information was connected to the real names or other PII of any players."

All you drama  queens need to relax and get real. I am glad SOE is helping the academic field.

Originally posted by Rabenwolf

Sorry but those complaining are acting childish. The OP is twisting the facts to make people share his or her hate for SOE.

 

Lets look at the details that the OP conveniently left out.

" We're providing our data for science! In a recent collaboration, SOE shared over 60TB of server logs from EverQuest II and additional data collected from a voluntary player survey with a team of academic researchers who hope to use the data to study human interactions through the gaming environment, connections between players and how their online networks are built and used, and more.

The server logs were scrubbed of all PII (Personally Identifiable Information) prior to being provided to the researchers, including chat log content. The team received data such as the volume, frequency and demographics of in-game chatters, but none of this information was connected to the real names or other PII of any players."

 

All you drama  queens need to relax and get real. I am glad SOE is helping the academic field.

Yeah I'm sot sure where all the paranoia comes from anyway...who has anything to hide? I mean how much mischief could one person even get into anyway really lol.

The one and only thing that even crossed my mind was login info. but you'd have to be one super duper moron to give that info. out with the data chunk. I at least have enough faith in SOE that info. like that is guarded well enough.

Originally posted by warty

First off if you want to complain then first hold your hands up if you have a facebook/myspace/bebo/whatever the latest crap is

 

They ALL SELL your data. Sell not give a away. Ever noticed how you get a lot of WoW spam and currently seems to be Vangaurd? Yeah gee I wonder who's scanned your profile for ads. Hmm.

 

Hands up if you USE google. Have google mail. Youtube. Anything regarding google at all. That is all stored. EVERY SINGLE INTERACTION. It is also all sold. For an insanely high profit margin. Oh not to mention if you read the fine print google sends EVERYTHING you do to the US govt.

 

SO if you use any of the above then shut up. Dont complain. You have no right to. Oh wait WE ALL READ THE TOS DIDNT WE? No? Glossed over that bit where you agree to this? Yeah? Thought so.

Agreed, Anyone that is too dumb to read the Terms of Agreement to a game should just stop talking right now, if you are all paying for the games monthly via credit cards then its the cardholder's responsibility be it you or your parents whoever, to read the damn TOA and most of them says all info etc etc etc belongs to and is property of them, social networking sites go crazy over this as well, 5 min after I put my facebook status from "in a relationship" to "single", I get like 3 ads a page in relations to finding "soulmates" etc

Originally posted by warty

Hands up if you USE google. Have google mail. Youtube. Anything regarding google at all. That is all stored. EVERY SINGLE INTERACTION. It is also all sold. For an insanely high profit margin. Oh not to mention if you read the fine print google sends EVERYTHING you do to the US govt.

yet I've never had anyone knocking on my door asking questions about all the things I've done and continue to do.  I'm not conerned by it 'cs I've already given consent to the US Govt which more or less disolves most of the privacy granted by our Constitution.  I've never been comitted of a crime outside of a single stupid DUI while "certain" things I engage in could be questionable or outright illegal and I like to believe they (being the US Govt) knows exactly what I'm doing. 

What makes this ok from my perspective is I willingly chose to forgo privacy knowing exactly why before hand.  I believe what SOE is doing is more along the lines of profiteering in lieu of development of future social applications that would enhance micro transactions.

Is it wrong? Nah.  Questionable?  Everything that SOE does is questionable. 

If you don't like it just stop playing SOE games.  There are better one's out there... 

Originally posted by Waterlily

Originally posted by Copeland

Anyone upset by this needs to log off the internet now. You have no privacy (unless you connected via a VPN to a proxy)  If you just use a standard ISP never ever expect that anything you say or do on the internet is private.

 

Any bank transaction, anything to do with personal information anything that is presumed to be confidential should stay confidential online too.

I can't tap your phone conversation but I also can't tap your skype conversation online, and neither should SoE be able to give that information away.

EQ2 has build in voice chat too now iirc, so possibly there's sound bites of conversations in the 60TB too.

And many laws in Europe, forbid companies from spreading this information, I'm sure there's similar privacy laws in the US. Another thing is that this is very very misleading to players, one assumes that in an MMO your "PRIVATE tells" are actually private.

 

lol thats pretty funny. One the company can view these at any time(after all they use them after a report has been filed) Also pretty sure the EULA for every game says that everything in the game belongs to the company who owns the game. Also pretty sure its said all the time BE CAREFUL WHAT YOU SAY ON THE INTERNET.  Private tells just mean that people in general can't see it.

Originally posted by ValiumSummer

Originally posted by John.A.Zoid

I don't really care myself, I have nothing to hide so they can have all that info aslong as they don't give out my credit card details.

 

Same here.

 

They are just mining data.     Doesn't bother me at all if some stranger saw that my lvl 44 dwarf berzerker "Dimple" was cybering  with a lvl 33 Gnome rogue "Stabeena".   

 

Just another reason to go off on SOE.  

So that one timed I cybed with a chinchila is exposed. Christ.
 

So, everyone going to find out that I cybered with a wood elf named Fayea

I believe that if they had done this in Norway, they would have had the police knocking on their doors.

Originally posted by drasilgame

So, everyone going to find out that I cybered with a wood elf named Fayea

... that was you? I was Fayea....and im really a dude.