Originally posted by sn0wblind00

Originally posted by Darkstar111

Originally posted by noij

Originally posted by Shadowoak

A big thank you to the DF trolls for taking away any power the "vaporware" word had.

 

Gods & Heros was in Beta - Guess what? it was cancelled and is / was vaporware

Dragon Empires was in Beta - Guess what? it was cancelled and is / was vaporware

WISH was in beta - Guess what? it was cancelled and is / was vaporware

UOX - Guess what? it was cancelled and is / was vaporware

Mythica - Guess what? it was cancelled and is / was vaporware

and the list can go on..

Yes Darkfall is 100% pure VAPORWARE STILL at this point.  They even lost their publisher / distributor for all of Europe....

so until you can actually put CC# info to order and than login and play - it's Vaporware.

And originalegg is NOT a beta tester. He is jut a disgruntled fanboy who can't admit he was wrong and is angry that DF has turned out to be one of the biggest MMO let downs in history.

 

Put ur money where ur mouth is:

 

Do YOU believe that Darkfall is Vaporware?

 

Not asking if it COULD be Vaporware, ofcourse the Aventurine studios could burn down or be the victim of chemical warfare, in an infinite universe all things are possible.

 

But are u saying that Darkfall IS Vaporware ?

Or are u just spewing rethoric u dont even believe in urself ?

 

-Darkstar

 

 

 

I think you missed the point in his post.  He was pointing out that games in a beta stage can still be canceled.  No game exists until it is officially released, excluding free games.

No reason to get defensive because he pointed out a fact about the videogame industry that goes against your want for this game. 

Personally, I think it will get pushed out regardless of the state it is in.  Even with a half-canned game, it appears they will get better money releasing it than cutting their losses now via bankruptcy support.  They still have enough people who will purchase a game just to find out what it's like.  The genre hasn't seen a release in a while and that could benefit them.

Soory to burst your vaporware hard on . . .

**Tabula Rasa starts beta =  no longer vaporware:

www.joystiq.com/2007/01/06/tabula-rasa-not-vaporware-starts-beta-testing/

Let's use Wiki here . . .

--Vaporware is a term used to describe a software or hardware product that is announced by a developer well in advance of release, but which then fails to emerge after having well exceeded the period of development time that was initially claimed or would normally be expected for the development cycle of a similar product. The term implies unwarranted optimism, an as yet unannounced abandonment of a project, or sometimes even deception; that is, it may imply that the announcer knows that product development is in too early a stage to support responsible statements about its completion date, feature set, or even feasibility. However, most vaporware would not be considered a hoax since the makers have a genuine intention to create their product, even if it ultimately never materializes. Products with unspecified release dates or long development times that outwardly demonstrate regular, verifiable progress in production are not normally labelled vaporware.--

Read it again.

Okay, now first of all . . .

Now what is the normal length of dev time for a MMORPG?  Your answer lies here: 

http://www.experiencefestival.com/a/MMORPG_-_Amateur_development/id/5281201

It states  --"The average MMORPG project takes three to four years and large investments of money to create. Amateur development usually takes longer due to lack of developer's time, manpower or money."--

If we figure they started in 2001 . . .  3-4 years would bring us to 2004-2005.  Add a few extra years, and we are about right.

Next point . . .

The optimism is warranted.  The fans have seen hundreds of pics and videos.  They have read leaks of hundreds of testers.

The project has not been abandoned, and it would be crazy for the devs to do so at this point.

The product is not too early in the dev cycle to support responsible statements about its completion date, feature set, or even feasibility.  It is in beta with thousands of people playing (and most enjoying) it.

Lastly . . .

DFO has had a long developement time, which would be considered normal for an amateur MMORPG team.  There is showed progress in the beta testing stage.  Most of you know where to find this information. 

In conclusion, I have shown you (and the other trolls) the definitions of vaporware, and showed to you how Darkfall Online can no longer be considered vaporware.

Thanks for playing though . . . see you ingame . . . impaled on my sword.

Originally posted by noij

  Yes Darkfall is 100% pure VAPORWARE STILL at this point.  They even lost their publisher / distributor for all of Europe....

proof PLZ

where you heard that ?

Originally posted by Ian_Hawkmoon

Originally posted by Darkstar111

Originally posted by noij

Originally posted by Shadowoak

A big thank you to the DF trolls for taking away any power the "vaporware" word had.

 

Gods & Heros was in Beta - Guess what? it was cancelled and is / was vaporware

Dragon Empires was in Beta - Guess what? it was cancelled and is / was vaporware

WISH was in beta - Guess what? it was cancelled and is / was vaporware

UOX - Guess what? it was cancelled and is / was vaporware

Mythica - Guess what? it was cancelled and is / was vaporware

and the list can go on..

Yes Darkfall is 100% pure VAPORWARE STILL at this point.  They even lost their publisher / distributor for all of Europe....

so until you can actually put CC# info to order and than login and play - it's Vaporware.

And originalegg is NOT a beta tester. He is jut a disgruntled fanboy who can't admit he was wrong and is angry that DF has turned out to be one of the biggest MMO let downs in history.

 

Put ur money where ur mouth is:

 

Do YOU believe that Darkfall is Vaporware?

 

Not asking if it COULD be Vaporware, ofcourse the Aventurine studios could burn down or be the victim of chemical warfare, in an infinite universe all things are possible.

 

But are u saying that Darkfall IS Vaporware ?

Or are u just spewing rethoric u dont even believe in urself ?

 

-Darkstar

 

 

 

Hey Darkstar...  Just for my own curiosity, can you give me your definition of "vaporware".

Sure.

Vaporware is a term used to describe a software or hardware product that is announced by a developer well in advance of release, but which then fails to emerge after having well exceeded the period of development time that was initially claimed or would normally be expected for the development cycle of a similar product. The term implies unwarranted optimism, an as yet unannounced abandonment of a project, or sometimes even deception; that is, it may imply that the announcer knows that product development is in too early a stage to support responsible statements about its completion date, feature set, or even feasibility. However, most vaporware would not be considered a hoax since the makers have a genuine intention to create their product, even if it ultimately never materializes. Products with unspecified release dates or long development times that outwardly demonstrate regular, verifiable progress in production are not normally labelled vaporware.

Thats from (u guessed it) wikipedia, and I find the definition to be accurate.

-Darkstar

Originally posted by dummenumse

Q/A explaining why I, me dummenumse, am such a rabid fanboy!

 

Why are the fanboys so... fanboyish?

Darkfall is by now the only game promising what many have been missing since the days of UO. The sandbox fantasy setting. We really do not know if there are any other suppliers of such a product in years to come.

 

But are you not discouraged by negatve leaks from closed beta?

Apparently not. The beta may be incomplete. Even the release may be lacking alot. But it still remains the only game that promise the above. Thus the willingness to support the project is still there in spite of bad news. And still there if the game is not even finished at release.

 

Many says the game seems unfinished or unpolished? does that not trouble you?

No. I do not expect a totally finished game at release. Few people do that with any MMO. There will be bugs and stuff. But thinking back it was actually fun to find those in UO. It will be fun to be part of the shaping of the game after release.

 

But Tasos has stated so many inconsistensies, does that not make you lose faith in Aventurine?

Again no. He promises alot and I believe that they have wanted to do all that with the game. That is ambition, though they have not (yet) been able to fulfill it all. The promises say something about the vision of the game and as a fan of the sandbox concept this is a reason to hope for what the game may one day become!

 

Why ignore the sluggish animations?

I do not need a Aion-like game with pretty angels (or whatever they are). I do not mind that my character does not wear glimmery armor and the like. And hell my orc can even walk funny. I want free PvP.

 

Why not question the postponed launches and NDA?

They postpone to finish more of the game which is fine. The beta leaks keep me confident that stuff is happening behind the curtain so the NDA is basicly irrelevant.

 

Do you really think Darkfall is the game to revolutionize the MMO industry?

Nah that is just sales garbage. The game appeals to me in vision and intent. Others feel the same.

 

What if they cheat you of your pre-order money?

I once bought a pair of shoes I did not like and never used. It sucked. But I got over it. They looked cool in the shopping window though.

 

What about all the promised features partially or wholly left out?

They wanted to do alot. Ofcourse they couldnt make all that happen. I am not surprised by that. Perhaps it will be in at a later time. It seems they want it to be there.

 

 

- Dummenumse

 

Mortal Online is as well.

Originally posted by Darkstar111

Originally posted by Ian_Hawkmoon

Originally posted by Darkstar111

Originally posted by noij

Originally posted by Shadowoak

A big thank you to the DF trolls for taking away any power the "vaporware" word had.

 

Gods & Heros was in Beta - Guess what? it was cancelled and is / was vaporware

Dragon Empires was in Beta - Guess what? it was cancelled and is / was vaporware

WISH was in beta - Guess what? it was cancelled and is / was vaporware

UOX - Guess what? it was cancelled and is / was vaporware

Mythica - Guess what? it was cancelled and is / was vaporware

and the list can go on..

Yes Darkfall is 100% pure VAPORWARE STILL at this point.  They even lost their publisher / distributor for all of Europe....

so until you can actually put CC# info to order and than login and play - it's Vaporware.

And originalegg is NOT a beta tester. He is jut a disgruntled fanboy who can't admit he was wrong and is angry that DF has turned out to be one of the biggest MMO let downs in history.

 

Put ur money where ur mouth is:

 

Do YOU believe that Darkfall is Vaporware?

 

Not asking if it COULD be Vaporware, ofcourse the Aventurine studios could burn down or be the victim of chemical warfare, in an infinite universe all things are possible.

 

But are u saying that Darkfall IS Vaporware ?

Or are u just spewing rethoric u dont even believe in urself ?

 

-Darkstar

 

 

 

Hey Darkstar...  Just for my own curiosity, can you give me your definition of "vaporware".

 

Sure.

Vaporware is a term used to describe a software or hardware product that is announced by a developer well in advance of release, but which then fails to emerge after having well exceeded the period of development time that was initially claimed or would normally be expected for the development cycle of a similar product. The term implies unwarranted optimism, an as yet unannounced abandonment of a project, or sometimes even deception; that is, it may imply that the announcer knows that product development is in too early a stage to support responsible statements about its completion date, feature set, or even feasibility. However, most vaporware would not be considered a hoax since the makers have a genuine intention to create their product, even if it ultimately never materializes. Products with unspecified release dates or long development times that outwardly demonstrate regular, verifiable progress in production are not normally labelled vaporware.

 

Thats from (u guessed it) wikipedia, and I find the definition to be accurate.

 

-Darkstar

 

 

Then may I direct your attention here:

  www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/post/2644133

Originally posted by xxpigxx

Originally posted by Darkstar111

Originally posted by Ian_Hawkmoon

Originally posted by Darkstar111

Originally posted by noij

Originally posted by Shadowoak

A big thank you to the DF trolls for taking away any power the "vaporware" word had.

 

Gods & Heros was in Beta - Guess what? it was cancelled and is / was vaporware

Dragon Empires was in Beta - Guess what? it was cancelled and is / was vaporware

WISH was in beta - Guess what? it was cancelled and is / was vaporware

UOX - Guess what? it was cancelled and is / was vaporware

Mythica - Guess what? it was cancelled and is / was vaporware

and the list can go on..

Yes Darkfall is 100% pure VAPORWARE STILL at this point.  They even lost their publisher / distributor for all of Europe....

so until you can actually put CC# info to order and than login and play - it's Vaporware.

And originalegg is NOT a beta tester. He is jut a disgruntled fanboy who can't admit he was wrong and is angry that DF has turned out to be one of the biggest MMO let downs in history.

 

Put ur money where ur mouth is:

 

Do YOU believe that Darkfall is Vaporware?

 

Not asking if it COULD be Vaporware, ofcourse the Aventurine studios could burn down or be the victim of chemical warfare, in an infinite universe all things are possible.

 

But are u saying that Darkfall IS Vaporware ?

Or are u just spewing rethoric u dont even believe in urself ?

 

-Darkstar

 

 

 

Hey Darkstar...  Just for my own curiosity, can you give me your definition of "vaporware".

 

Sure.

Vaporware is a term used to describe a software or hardware product that is announced by a developer well in advance of release, but which then fails to emerge after having well exceeded the period of development time that was initially claimed or would normally be expected for the development cycle of a similar product. The term implies unwarranted optimism, an as yet unannounced abandonment of a project, or sometimes even deception; that is, it may imply that the announcer knows that product development is in too early a stage to support responsible statements about its completion date, feature set, or even feasibility. However, most vaporware would not be considered a hoax since the makers have a genuine intention to create their product, even if it ultimately never materializes. Products with unspecified release dates or long development times that outwardly demonstrate regular, verifiable progress in production are not normally labelled vaporware.

 

Thats from (u guessed it) wikipedia, and I find the definition to be accurate.

 

-Darkstar

 

 

 

Then may I direct your attention here:

  www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/post/2644133

Yes I saw the post it was very well written.

I especially enjoyed the extensive use of color coding.

Cudos.

-Darkstar

Originally posted by Darkstar111

Originally posted by xxpigxx

Originally posted by Darkstar111

Originally posted by Ian_Hawkmoon

Originally posted by Darkstar111

Originally posted by noij

Originally posted by Shadowoak

A big thank you to the DF trolls for taking away any power the "vaporware" word had.

 

Gods & Heros was in Beta - Guess what? it was cancelled and is / was vaporware

Dragon Empires was in Beta - Guess what? it was cancelled and is / was vaporware

WISH was in beta - Guess what? it was cancelled and is / was vaporware

UOX - Guess what? it was cancelled and is / was vaporware

Mythica - Guess what? it was cancelled and is / was vaporware

and the list can go on..

Yes Darkfall is 100% pure VAPORWARE STILL at this point.  They even lost their publisher / distributor for all of Europe....

so until you can actually put CC# info to order and than login and play - it's Vaporware.

And originalegg is NOT a beta tester. He is jut a disgruntled fanboy who can't admit he was wrong and is angry that DF has turned out to be one of the biggest MMO let downs in history.

 

Put ur money where ur mouth is:

 

Do YOU believe that Darkfall is Vaporware?

 

Not asking if it COULD be Vaporware, ofcourse the Aventurine studios could burn down or be the victim of chemical warfare, in an infinite universe all things are possible.

 

But are u saying that Darkfall IS Vaporware ?

Or are u just spewing rethoric u dont even believe in urself ?

 

-Darkstar

 

 

 

Hey Darkstar...  Just for my own curiosity, can you give me your definition of "vaporware".

 

Sure.

Vaporware is a term used to describe a software or hardware product that is announced by a developer well in advance of release, but which then fails to emerge after having well exceeded the period of development time that was initially claimed or would normally be expected for the development cycle of a similar product. The term implies unwarranted optimism, an as yet unannounced abandonment of a project, or sometimes even deception; that is, it may imply that the announcer knows that product development is in too early a stage to support responsible statements about its completion date, feature set, or even feasibility. However, most vaporware would not be considered a hoax since the makers have a genuine intention to create their product, even if it ultimately never materializes. Products with unspecified release dates or long development times that outwardly demonstrate regular, verifiable progress in production are not normally labelled vaporware.

 

Thats from (u guessed it) wikipedia, and I find the definition to be accurate.

 

-Darkstar

 

 

 

Then may I direct your attention here:

  www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/post/2644133

 

Yes I saw the post it was very well written.

I especially enjoyed the extensive use of color coding.

 

Cudos.

 

-Darkstar

 

ooh . . . that was not calling you out.  I misread your name when my computer lagged when I was scrolling.  It was direct at the vaporware trolls.

Soory

Right now Darkfall is vaporware. If it releases and does well, it will be redemptive software just like Half Life.

Originally posted by Ihmotepp

Right now Darkfall is vaporware. If it releases and does well, it will be redemptive software just like Half Life.

someone needs to practice their reading skills

Originally posted by xxpigxx

Originally posted by Ihmotepp

Right now Darkfall is vaporware. If it releases and does well, it will be redemptive software just like Half Life.

 

someone needs to practice their reading skills

There's no need to be embarassed. Not everyone reads well. You don't have to say "someone", like saying my "friend" needs some advice. I'm sure in time your reading skills will improve.

The issue with the four or five avid supporters of DF (on these forums) is that they are sooo desperate for a PvP FFA MMORPG in sandbox conditions they will accept any level of quality. Likewise they will accept any kind of treatement from the developers. e.g. NDA still in place one week for a supposed "launch"....They are simply in dire need. 

It  be sad under any conditions BUT given Tasos and aventurines absolute stupidity and raised expectations of expectations with this games.. its actually quite tragically hillarious. Aventuine has turned DF into full blown popcorn fest and nothing is going to ever change that now. If only they had aimed *more* realistically. That feature list is impossibly long.

I mean come one read back the OPs title and keep a straight face... I know I'm not.

Originally posted by Ihmotepp

Originally posted by xxpigxx

Originally posted by Ihmotepp

Right now Darkfall is vaporware. If it releases and does well, it will be redemptive software just like Half Life.

 

someone needs to practice their reading skills

 

There's no need to be embarassed. Not everyone reads well. You don't have to say "someone", like saying my "friend" needs some advice. I'm sure in time your reading skills will improve.

Maybe you can translate this for me: I have clan mates who just got their beta invites 3 days ago and are currently playing as you wrote this post.

Originally posted by thinktank001

Originally posted by originalegg

The audacity of some people to suggest that I am not actually having fun and the game I like sucks just proves how sad they are and that they arent "skeptics", they are trolls.

 

 

That is why people label you as such.  Your personal attacks on every single person that posts something you disagree with.  Nobody would have a problem if you actually pointed them to SS and Vids that back up what you say.   

Precisely, oh and as a aside, all of you whom label the sceptics as trolls....better be hiding in Mommas basement when the release happens...and PRAY it is decent. Because if it isnt, after all the trash talk promoting  a game that has yet to have one UNBIASED review put out, you all are going to be bending over for the thirteen wheels of pain about to hit you in the ass IF the game is in fact not ready for prime time. BTW here is the toon whom has the release dates in his sig, you know! The guy who changed it from Jan to Feb etc, im curious what date is there now!

Originally posted by Silense

Originally posted by Ihmotepp

Originally posted by xxpigxx

Originally posted by Ihmotepp

Right now Darkfall is vaporware. If it releases and does well, it will be redemptive software just like Half Life.

 

someone needs to practice their reading skills

 

There's no need to be embarassed. Not everyone reads well. You don't have to say "someone", like saying my "friend" needs some advice. I'm sure in time your reading skills will improve.

Maybe you can translate this for me: I have clan mates who just got their beta invites 3 days ago and are currently playing as you wrote this post.

No lie? And your here posting? Id be a thier house watching them play the game. Oh wait, they probably live in Greece huh...
 

Originally posted by xxpigxx

Originally posted by Ihmotepp

Right now Darkfall is vaporware. If it releases and does well, it will be redemptive software just like Half Life.

 

someone needs to practice their reading skills

like you? Seriously, you state you misread someones name in one post prior to this, then smack someone for reading SKILLZ? Seriously, you made me laugh...HARD!

 

ooh . . . that was not calling you out.  I misread your name when my computer lagged when I was scrolling.  It was direct at the vaporware trolls.

 

Soory

I figured it was something like that, but I thought hey there is so much bashing on this forum we could use a little positive reinforcement posts as well.

-Darkstar

@ Setan & Ihmotepp:

or how about the fact that someone totally ignores a post proving that the game is not vaporware . . .

hrmm.

Read more, troll less

Originally posted by Seytan

Originally posted by xxpigxx

Originally posted by Ihmotepp

Right now Darkfall is vaporware. If it releases and does well, it will be redemptive software just like Half Life.

 

someone needs to practice their reading skills

 

like you? Seriously, you state you misread someones name in one post prior to this, then smack someone for reading SKILLZ? Seriously, you made me laugh...HARD!

ooh, sounds like u should have that checked out, could be glandular.

-Darkstar

Originally posted by Seytan

Originally posted by Silense

Originally posted by Ihmotepp

Originally posted by xxpigxx

Originally posted by Ihmotepp

Right now Darkfall is vaporware. If it releases and does well, it will be redemptive software just like Half Life.

 

someone needs to practice their reading skills

 

There's no need to be embarassed. Not everyone reads well. You don't have to say "someone", like saying my "friend" needs some advice. I'm sure in time your reading skills will improve.

Maybe you can translate this for me: I have clan mates who just got their beta invites 3 days ago and are currently playing as you wrote this post.

No lie? And your here posting? Id be a thier house watching them play the game. Oh wait, they probably live in Greece huh...

 

 Yes an i know this because i am fluent in greek.....and you are an infant