Originally posted by loxleynew

 Ok well No one anymore is saying the game is vaporware.

Check this out:

"everything is vaporware until you can buy it and login junior"

and

"Yes Darkfall is 100% pure VAPORWARE STILL at this point."

This was posted less then 2 hours ago in the thread "In support of a visionary project."

 

The mismanagement of the game community does say something about the gameplay. Firstly it shows what complete lack of common sense they have and their marketing strategy. 

That makes them bad Marketing people, not bad coders, or bad 3d/level/game designers.

 

Also as far as everyone likeing it on the beta, it's mixed reviews honestly.

Id have to disagree.

I think right now the adrenaline of people getting into beta is out weighing their critical thinking.

Ok... so the people who agree with u are thinking critically and the people who don't are not... 

 

We all know the only people invited are total fanboys at this point in time.

ehm.. no we dont know that.

They only invited people so far who have been registered for 2-3 years (guild registration) and then they based it off forum posts and join date for single users.

Yeah thats not true.

 

You can judge this also by not having any gaming sources invited into the beta with 9 days left (ign, mmorpg ect). Just look at the beta leaks and you can tell the game is unfinished. I'm not hating, just being realistic. 

U dont allow press into the the Beta while there is an NDA present.

 

 

All those questions are legit and answer them or not, they are there. 

U have one question, why is the NDA still in place ?

I dont know the answer, but i do know the answer could be alot more things then,

"they are trying to hide the fact that the game sucks".

If that was true then the leaks would confirm it, but wait all the leakers are on "adrenaline rush" and not thinking clearly....

 

Right.

 

-Darkstar

 

 

anyone who would say "it is vaporware until you can login and play" and "darkfall is still vaporware" is in need of serious help, and some sunlight.

the only people who would say that are the people who jumped on the "lol vaporware" bandwagon without knowing what it meant and thought it was cool to say it, and now wont man up and admit they were wrong.

the first quote, clearly is just wrong when dealing with the definition of vaporware.  the second one...well no point explaining that to someone who would say the first one.

Originally posted by imbant

anyone who would say "it is vaporware until you can login and play" and "darkfall is still vaporware" is in need of serious help, and some sunlight.

the only people who would say that are the people who jumped on the "lol vaporware" bandwagon without knowing what it meant and thought it was cool to say it, and now wont man up and admit they were wrong.

the first quote, clearly is just wrong when dealing with the definition of vaporware.  the second one...well no point explaining that to someone who would say the first one.

 

Vaporware is computer software or hardware that has been announced and/or advertised but which never becomes available. Or if it does become available, it lacks some of the promised features and performance.

Vaporware can be either unintentional or intentional. The former is the situation in which a company had actually been developing or planning a product but then stops development or does not sell it even if development has been completed. This can occur for several reason, including (1) development difficulties that make the product less satisfactory than initially expected, (2) cost overruns that make it no longer economical to complete development or produce the product and (3) changes in market conditions that reduce demand and/or profitability.

Intentional vaporware refers to a product that a company has no intention of producing or selling even when it is announcing or advertising it. Some companies use this as (1) a means to discourage customers from buying competitive products, (2) a trial balloon for testing the market for a new product and (3) a way to increase its stock price.

There is a good definition of Vaporware and Darkfall does fit into that definition.

Originally posted by originalegg

Seriously is it just one guy with multiple accounts?

Is anyone else getting PMs from some of these guys that basically say "lol f you darkfall is shit lol lol".  Like posting in the threads is not enough...

Didn't read the thread but I can answer your question: yes it is a single guy creating mmorpg.com accounts, posting 10-25 darkfall troll posts and then getting banned, over and over and over.

He has been doing this for at least 2 years that I know of. He's been known by numerous forum names: some of the more recent ones are:

- TenSpotting

- ipon

- atekrums

- bannedtv

- orlybird

- kilixen

..and about 20 other names i could list, but you get the drift.

His modus operandi is always the same: create new account, write 10-25 posts, all in the Darkfall general forums, and all blatant trolls, send PMs to anyone who defends the game, calling them a moron, comparing DF graphics to 2003 games, etc etc, just total nonsense.

His account then gets banned and he creates another new account and the cycle continues.

Whenever you see a new poster with < 25 posts posting some random DF hate, there's a 95% chance it's this same, sad joke of an individual.

It is also highly likely it is the same guy that Tasos wrote about once in the DF forums. Basically an obsessive DF hater, who got burnt/fired/insulted/asskicked/who knows by Tasos and has never gotten over it, or just some total nutcase with serious psychological issues, or both.

i thought almost everyone who's been hanging out around here knew about this guy, evidently not.

pretty frickin hilarious, hey.

Originally posted by khartman2005

 

Vaporware is computer software or hardware that has been announced and/or advertised but which never becomes available. Or if it does become available, it lacks some of the promised features and performance.

Vaporware can be either unintentional or intentional. The former is the situation in which a company had actually been developing or planning a product but then stops development or does not sell it even if development has been completed. This can occur for several reason, including (1) development difficulties that make the product less satisfactory than initially expected, (2) cost overruns that make it no longer economical to complete development or produce the product and (3) changes in market conditions that reduce demand and/or profitability.

Intentional vaporware refers to a product that a company has no intention of producing or selling even when it is announcing or advertising it. Some companies use this as (1) a means to discourage customers from buying competitive products, (2) a trial balloon for testing the market for a new product and (3) a way to increase its stock price.

 

There is a good definition of Vaporware and Darkfall does fit into that definition.

Absolute nonsense.

Its very simple, Vaporware is a software product that NEVER GETS RELEASED.

Its not game that tanks, or goes bankrupt due to bad sales, thats not called vaporware.

And this line: 

Or if it does become available, it lacks some of the promised features and performance.

Apparently tailor made to suit ur needs, and yet contradicts the previous line...

Its funny to me when u had to omit the Wikipedia entry that is obviously the first place one would look for definitions, for this drivel.

-Darkstar

Originally posted by khartman2005

Originally posted by imbant

anyone who would say "it is vaporware until you can login and play" and "darkfall is still vaporware" is in need of serious help, and some sunlight.

the only people who would say that are the people who jumped on the "lol vaporware" bandwagon without knowing what it meant and thought it was cool to say it, and now wont man up and admit they were wrong.

the first quote, clearly is just wrong when dealing with the definition of vaporware.  the second one...well no point explaining that to someone who would say the first one.

 

 

Vaporware is computer software or hardware that has been announced and/or advertised but which never becomes available. Or if it does become available, it lacks some of the promised features and performance.

Vaporware can be either unintentional or intentional. The former is the situation in which a company had actually been developing or planning a product but then stops development or does not sell it even if development has been completed. This can occur for several reason, including (1) development difficulties that make the product less satisfactory than initially expected, (2) cost overruns that make it no longer economical to complete development or produce the product and (3) changes in market conditions that reduce demand and/or profitability.

Intentional vaporware refers to a product that a company has no intention of producing or selling even when it is announcing or advertising it. Some companies use this as (1) a means to discourage customers from buying competitive products, (2) a trial balloon for testing the market for a new product and (3) a way to increase its stock price.

 

There is a good definition of Vaporware and Darkfall does fit into that definition.

Every MMO ever released also fits that definition of vapourware.

If you're seriously suggesting DF is vapourware now that there are hundreds of beta leaks & reports out there and with 10 days left to go until release you sir, have brain damage.

Originally posted by Darkstar111

Originally posted by khartman2005

 

Vaporware is computer software or hardware that has been announced and/or advertised but which never becomes available. Or if it does become available, it lacks some of the promised features and performance.

Vaporware can be either unintentional or intentional. The former is the situation in which a company had actually been developing or planning a product but then stops development or does not sell it even if development has been completed. This can occur for several reason, including (1) development difficulties that make the product less satisfactory than initially expected, (2) cost overruns that make it no longer economical to complete development or produce the product and (3) changes in market conditions that reduce demand and/or profitability.

Intentional vaporware refers to a product that a company has no intention of producing or selling even when it is announcing or advertising it. Some companies use this as (1) a means to discourage customers from buying competitive products, (2) a trial balloon for testing the market for a new product and (3) a way to increase its stock price.

 

There is a good definition of Vaporware and Darkfall does fit into that definition.

 

Absolute nonsense.

 

Its very simple, Vaporware is a software product that NEVER GETS RELEASED.

Its not game that tanks, or goes bankrupt due to bad sales, thats not called vaporware.

And this line: 

Or if it does become available, it lacks some of the promised features and performance.

Apparently tailor made to suit ur needs, and yet contradicts the previous line...

 

Its funny to me when u had to omit the Wikipedia entry that is obviously the first place one would look for definitions, for this drivel.

 

 

-Darkstar

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Maybe I should have posted the URL for those of you that seem to think wikipedia is the end all be all of definitions. I have never ever been to that site and never plan to.

Here you go www.linfo.org/vaporware.html

And just because there are beta leaks doesn't mean crap. It is vaporware until it releases plain and simple. All MMO"s are vaporware until they are released.

Originally posted by khartman2005

Originally posted by Darkstar111

Originally posted by khartman2005

 

Vaporware is computer software or hardware that has been announced and/or advertised but which never becomes available. Or if it does become available, it lacks some of the promised features and performance.

Vaporware can be either unintentional or intentional. The former is the situation in which a company had actually been developing or planning a product but then stops development or does not sell it even if development has been completed. This can occur for several reason, including (1) development difficulties that make the product less satisfactory than initially expected, (2) cost overruns that make it no longer economical to complete development or produce the product and (3) changes in market conditions that reduce demand and/or profitability.

Intentional vaporware refers to a product that a company has no intention of producing or selling even when it is announcing or advertising it. Some companies use this as (1) a means to discourage customers from buying competitive products, (2) a trial balloon for testing the market for a new product and (3) a way to increase its stock price.

 

There is a good definition of Vaporware and Darkfall does fit into that definition.

 

Absolute nonsense.

 

Its very simple, Vaporware is a software product that NEVER GETS RELEASED.

Its not game that tanks, or goes bankrupt due to bad sales, thats not called vaporware.

And this line: 

Or if it does become available, it lacks some of the promised features and performance.

Apparently tailor made to suit ur needs, and yet contradicts the previous line...

 

Its funny to me when u had to omit the Wikipedia entry that is obviously the first place one would look for definitions, for this drivel.

 

 

-Darkstar

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Maybe I should have posted the URL for those of you that seem to think wikipedia is the end all be all of definitions. I have never ever been to that site and never plan to.

 

Here you go www.linfo.org/vaporware.html

 

And just because there are beta leaks doesn't mean crap. It is vaporware until it releases plain and simple. All MMO"s are vaporware until they are released.

And forever after according to this definition.

Did u know world of warcraft originally promised guild housing.

Thats why there is a locked instance portal inside of Stormwind, the idea was it would take u to an instanced neighbourhood with ur guild house in it.

It never made it into release and they scrapped it later for technicall reasons.

But according to ur own definition, World of Warcraft, highest grossing MMO game of all time, with 12 million accounts world wide is in fact Vaporware!!

-Darkstar

Originally posted by Darkstar111

Originally posted by khartman2005

Originally posted by Darkstar111

Originally posted by khartman2005

 

Vaporware is computer software or hardware that has been announced and/or advertised but which never becomes available. Or if it does become available, it lacks some of the promised features and performance.

Vaporware can be either unintentional or intentional. The former is the situation in which a company had actually been developing or planning a product but then stops development or does not sell it even if development has been completed. This can occur for several reason, including (1) development difficulties that make the product less satisfactory than initially expected, (2) cost overruns that make it no longer economical to complete development or produce the product and (3) changes in market conditions that reduce demand and/or profitability.

Intentional vaporware refers to a product that a company has no intention of producing or selling even when it is announcing or advertising it. Some companies use this as (1) a means to discourage customers from buying competitive products, (2) a trial balloon for testing the market for a new product and (3) a way to increase its stock price.

 

There is a good definition of Vaporware and Darkfall does fit into that definition.

 

Absolute nonsense.

 

Its very simple, Vaporware is a software product that NEVER GETS RELEASED.

Its not game that tanks, or goes bankrupt due to bad sales, thats not called vaporware.

And this line: 

Or if it does become available, it lacks some of the promised features and performance.

Apparently tailor made to suit ur needs, and yet contradicts the previous line...

 

Its funny to me when u had to omit the Wikipedia entry that is obviously the first place one would look for definitions, for this drivel.

 

 

-Darkstar

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Maybe I should have posted the URL for those of you that seem to think wikipedia is the end all be all of definitions. I have never ever been to that site and never plan to.

 

Here you go www.linfo.org/vaporware.html

 

And just because there are beta leaks doesn't mean crap. It is vaporware until it releases plain and simple. All MMO"s are vaporware until they are released.

 

And forever after according to this definition.

Did u know world of warcraft originally promised guild housing.

Thats why there is a locked instance portal inside of Stormwind, the idea was it would take u to an instanced neighbourhood with ur guild house in it.

It never made it into release and they scrapped it later for technicall reasons.

 

But according to ur own definition, World of Warcraft, highest grossing MMO game of all time, with 12 million accounts world wide is in fact Vaporware!!

 

            

 

-Darkstar

 

I guess you only read part of what you want and then spin it.  I am done arguing with you.

As the saying goes "Never argue with an idiot, they drag you down to their level and beat you with experience"

Originally posted by originalegg

Seriously is it just one guy with multiple accounts?

Is anyone else getting PMs from some of these guys that basically say "lol f you darkfall is shit lol lol".  Like posting in the threads is not enough...

Seriously we have people on this forum with hardcore issues.  Sorry if some of us enjoy the game, you dont thats cool.  You may think it isnt graphically nice, thats fine...I happen to think that the lighting effects, the world, and just being able to run through an area while the sun is setting knowing that when nightfall comes it will be a lot harder to see me is amazing.

You dont like the gameplay...fine....i and others happen to really enjoy it over the million target + autoattack stuff on the market right now.

You will not convince anyone to not buy the game.  Repeating the same post about darkfall is shit in every thread just shows how immature you are.  There are plenty of people who do this, and they know who they are.

Really bad that this forum has gotten to this point...same people who screamed lol vaporz are mad cause they looked silly and now have to make sure the world knows the game is real but crap.  The mods do nothing while on almost every other forum i have been on, threads that start off as "darkfall is shit..discuss" would be locked immediatly...especially when there are multiple of them.  Yet here...they go untouched....yea pretty much cant deny that.

My question is this:

What is with these threads? Stop feeding the fire, what is the point of these THREADS!?

Originally posted by khartman2005

 

  I am done arguing with you.

 

 

Yeah Ill take that.

-Darkstar 

Originally posted by khartman2005

Originally posted by Darkstar111

Originally posted by khartman2005

 

Vaporware is computer software or hardware that has been announced and/or advertised but which never becomes available. Or if it does become available, it lacks some of the promised features and performance.

Vaporware can be either unintentional or intentional. The former is the situation in which a company had actually been developing or planning a product but then stops development or does not sell it even if development has been completed. This can occur for several reason, including (1) development difficulties that make the product less satisfactory than initially expected, (2) cost overruns that make it no longer economical to complete development or produce the product and (3) changes in market conditions that reduce demand and/or profitability.

Intentional vaporware refers to a product that a company has no intention of producing or selling even when it is announcing or advertising it. Some companies use this as (1) a means to discourage customers from buying competitive products, (2) a trial balloon for testing the market for a new product and (3) a way to increase its stock price.

 

There is a good definition of Vaporware and Darkfall does fit into that definition.

 

Absolute nonsense.

 

Its very simple, Vaporware is a software product that NEVER GETS RELEASED.

Its not game that tanks, or goes bankrupt due to bad sales, thats not called vaporware.

And this line: 

Or if it does become available, it lacks some of the promised features and performance.

Apparently tailor made to suit ur needs, and yet contradicts the previous line...

 

Its funny to me when u had to omit the Wikipedia entry that is obviously the first place one would look for definitions, for this drivel.

 

 

-Darkstar

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Maybe I should have posted the URL for those of you that seem to think wikipedia is the end all be all of definitions. I have never ever been to that site and never plan to.

 

Here you go www.linfo.org/vaporware.html

 

And just because there are beta leaks doesn't mean crap. It is vaporware until it releases plain and simple. All MMO"s are vaporware until they are released.

I would only change one thing here. Not ALL MMO's are vaporware. Only those MMO's that have a troubled development, such as inordinate delays, changes in management, missed release dates, etc.

For example, The Old Republic is not vaporware. If it has trouble in the development, then it will become Vaporware, and the ONLY way to change that would be to release the game, not just to prove it exists.

Its Revenge for all the Trolling Pvpers have Done to Us Pve'ers over the years With yalls Stupid Everything Must Be Pvp Zomfg crap...

Originally posted by Ihmotepp

Originally posted by khartman2005

Originally posted by Darkstar111

Originally posted by khartman2005

 

Vaporware is computer software or hardware that has been announced and/or advertised but which never becomes available. Or if it does become available, it lacks some of the promised features and performance.

Vaporware can be either unintentional or intentional. The former is the situation in which a company had actually been developing or planning a product but then stops development or does not sell it even if development has been completed. This can occur for several reason, including (1) development difficulties that make the product less satisfactory than initially expected, (2) cost overruns that make it no longer economical to complete development or produce the product and (3) changes in market conditions that reduce demand and/or profitability.

Intentional vaporware refers to a product that a company has no intention of producing or selling even when it is announcing or advertising it. Some companies use this as (1) a means to discourage customers from buying competitive products, (2) a trial balloon for testing the market for a new product and (3) a way to increase its stock price.

 

There is a good definition of Vaporware and Darkfall does fit into that definition.

 

Absolute nonsense.

 

Its very simple, Vaporware is a software product that NEVER GETS RELEASED.

Its not game that tanks, or goes bankrupt due to bad sales, thats not called vaporware.

And this line: 

Or if it does become available, it lacks some of the promised features and performance.

Apparently tailor made to suit ur needs, and yet contradicts the previous line...

 

Its funny to me when u had to omit the Wikipedia entry that is obviously the first place one would look for definitions, for this drivel.

 

 

-Darkstar

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Maybe I should have posted the URL for those of you that seem to think wikipedia is the end all be all of definitions. I have never ever been to that site and never plan to.

 

Here you go www.linfo.org/vaporware.html

 

And just because there are beta leaks doesn't mean crap. It is vaporware until it releases plain and simple. All MMO"s are vaporware until they are released.

 

I would only change one thing here. Not ALL MMO's are vaporware. Only those MMO's that have a troubled development, such as inordinate delays, changes in management, missed release dates, etc.

For example, The Old Republic is not vaporware. If it has trouble in the development, then it will become Vaporware, and the ONLY way to change that would be to release the game, not just to prove it exists.

Yes lets make up our own definition of a term with whatever arbitrary arguments suit us for this particular debate.

Vaporware = Software that never makes it to release.

Darkfall=Being released the 25th.

Do u think Darkfall wont make it ?

-Darkstar

Yes lets make up our own definition of a term with whatever arbitrary arguments suit us for this particular debate.

 

Vaporware = Software that never makes it to release.

Darkfall=Being released the 25th.

Do u think Darkfall wont make it ?

 

-Darkstar

 

 

January 22.

Originally posted by Darkstar111

Originally posted by Ihmotepp

Originally posted by khartman2005

Originally posted by Darkstar111

Originally posted by khartman2005

 

Vaporware is computer software or hardware that has been announced and/or advertised but which never becomes available. Or if it does become available, it lacks some of the promised features and performance.

Vaporware can be either unintentional or intentional. The former is the situation in which a company had actually been developing or planning a product but then stops development or does not sell it even if development has been completed. This can occur for several reason, including (1) development difficulties that make the product less satisfactory than initially expected, (2) cost overruns that make it no longer economical to complete development or produce the product and (3) changes in market conditions that reduce demand and/or profitability.

Intentional vaporware refers to a product that a company has no intention of producing or selling even when it is announcing or advertising it. Some companies use this as (1) a means to discourage customers from buying competitive products, (2) a trial balloon for testing the market for a new product and (3) a way to increase its stock price.

 

There is a good definition of Vaporware and Darkfall does fit into that definition.

 

Absolute nonsense.

 

Its very simple, Vaporware is a software product that NEVER GETS RELEASED.

Its not game that tanks, or goes bankrupt due to bad sales, thats not called vaporware.

And this line: 

Or if it does become available, it lacks some of the promised features and performance.

Apparently tailor made to suit ur needs, and yet contradicts the previous line...

 

Its funny to me when u had to omit the Wikipedia entry that is obviously the first place one would look for definitions, for this drivel.

 

 

-Darkstar

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Maybe I should have posted the URL for those of you that seem to think wikipedia is the end all be all of definitions. I have never ever been to that site and never plan to.

 

Here you go www.linfo.org/vaporware.html

 

And just because there are beta leaks doesn't mean crap. It is vaporware until it releases plain and simple. All MMO"s are vaporware until they are released.

 

I would only change one thing here. Not ALL MMO's are vaporware. Only those MMO's that have a troubled development, such as inordinate delays, changes in management, missed release dates, etc.

For example, The Old Republic is not vaporware. If it has trouble in the development, then it will become Vaporware, and the ONLY way to change that would be to release the game, not just to prove it exists.

 

Yes lets make up our own definition of a term with whatever arbitrary arguments suit us for this particular debate.

 

Vaporware = Software that never makes it to release.

Darkfall=Being released the 25th.

Do u think Darkfall wont make it ?

 

-Darkstar

 

 

Being released =/= released.

You can make this claim AFTER the 25th, not before. You could have said the saem thing for Jan 22, but the game didn't release on Jan 22.

See the difference between "released" and "being released"?

lol so why hasn't this thread been closed yet?

Isn't it time to postpone this Flamewar until the game is actually out?

Really both the haters and lovers are getting pathetic now, writing exactly the same stuff in every thread.

Let's have the discussion whenever the NDA lifts instead.

I don't know about you guys. One of the best things to do is life is to find a game that's not released, and that I haven't played. Next, I like to imagine it being the best game ever. After that, I go on the forums, and call everyone trolls, and its the best game ever. Who's with me?

I like to ignore the fact that I've never playing the game, I ignore the fact that its 9 days before the 16th release date over a span of 8 years with no info, I ignore the fact that US players won't be able to play, I ignore the fact that there will be a very limited amount of copies, etc., etc.