Originally posted by miagisan

lol....what an ignorant person, EVERY MMORPG RUNS ON SERVER CLUSTERS. EVE's are one of the biggest and most powerful in the world......god i hate people who THINK they know everything.

you don't know what 'server cluster' means.

oh and btw eve's cluster doesn't even make it into the top ten server clusters. probably not even the top 100.

you're the ignorant one here. you don't even know the *basics* of the terminology. go away.

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Originally posted by fyerwall

 

Got a link that proves your whole DF server theory?
Server caps are held low in most MMOs to do world balancing. The worlds are designed to support X amount of people content wise as well as support low server stress rates.

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1 DF world == 80 x 8-way processors == 640 effective CPUs, not the 320 i had thought.
DF distributed model
 
I take it from your lack of ability to provide a link to even an entry-level of WOW's server tech that you have no fucking idea what you're talking about.
 
i suspected as much but i gave you the benefit of the doubt.

Originally posted by zymurgeist

Wow uses dynamic resource allocation. No single CPU, or server,or cluster, is ever responsible for any part of the game world. It also has redundancy so a cluster failure has minimal impact of the virtual world.  EVE is far more geomapped than wow ever thought of being, with good reason. Keep digging though it's fun to watch. Oh and BTW wow virtual servers borrow physical server clusters from each other as needed even across shards.

once again, got a link for that? frankly i'd be *shocked* if WOW didn't have redundancy out the arse, given their budget. i have never read anything that would suggest that WOW does real distributed computing... failover servers with heartbeats and gateways/proxies != distributed.

provide me a link and i will beg your forgiveness (for WOW's specific case only mind you), otherwise i will also have to assume you're full of it like 99% of mmoclueless.com.

Originally posted by javac

 

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Originally posted by fyerwall

 

Got a link that proves your whole DF server theory?
Server caps are held low in most MMOs to do world balancing. The worlds are designed to support X amount of people content wise as well as support low server stress rates.

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1 DF world == 80 x 8-way processors == 640 effective CPUs, not the 320 i had thought.

wait wait... that article is from 2003.  Even servers didn't have Quads.

...and shouldn't you be claiming that they're using Xeons?  I'd think some uber server master would use the word "Xeon" over "quad core", even if it's implied that it's using all 4 cores.

So you're telling me that EVERYTHING in that 2003 interview is true, right?

Originally posted by javac

 

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Originally posted by fyerwall

 

Got a link that proves your whole DF server theory?
Server caps are held low in most MMOs to do world balancing. The worlds are designed to support X amount of people content wise as well as support low server stress rates.

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1 DF world == 80 x 8-way processors == 640 effective CPUs, not the 320 i had thought.
DF distributed model
 
I take it from your lack of ability to provide a link to even an entry-level of WOW's server tech that you have no fucking idea what you're talking about.
 
i suspected as much but i gave you the benefit of the doubt.

 

What exactly am I supposed to be seeing in these threads other than conjecture? Those posts do nothing at all to prove anything.

Nice try though.

great, we've reverted back to the "zomg they are LYING TO US ABOUT MODELS OF DISTRIBUTED COMPUTING" again. just when i thought i might have my *first* halfway intelligent discussion on mmoretard.com.

is there *anyone* else here who has a *clue* about IT beyond the level of wikipedia and doesn't talk out their arsehole about shit they don't understand?

i need to drink more if i have to go back to RPing a darkfall troll troll baiting for mmorpg.com retards again.

Originally posted by javac

great, we've reverted back to the "zomg they are LYING TO US ABOUT MODELS OF DISTRIBUTED COMPUTING" again. just when i thought i might have my *first* halfway intelligent discussion on mmoretard.com.

 

is there *anyone* else here who has a *clue* about IT beyond the level of wikipedia and doesn't talk out their arsehole about shit they don't understand?

 

i need to drink more if i have to go back to RPing a darkfall troll troll baiting for mmorpg.com retards again.

Seriously, if you want to prove that the server tech is different you need to show some hard evidence. Reposting something that was said is not proof. Anyone can say 1 thing and do the total opposite.

As for having a clue, I think my MCSE, Net+ and Comp Sci degree gives me clue enough.

Originally posted by javac

Originally posted by zymurgeist

Wow uses dynamic resource allocation. No single CPU, or server,or cluster, is ever responsible for any part of the game world. It also has redundancy so a cluster failure has minimal impact of the virtual world.  EVE is far more geomapped than wow ever thought of being, with good reason. Keep digging though it's fun to watch. Oh and BTW wow virtual servers borrow physical server clusters from each other as needed even across shards.

 

once again, got a link for that? frankly i'd be *shocked* if WOW didn't have redundancy out the arse, given their budget. i have never read anything that would suggest that WOW does real distributed computing... failover servers with heartbeats and gateways/proxies != distributed.

 

provide me a link and i will beg your forgiveness (for WOW's specific case only mind you), otherwise i will also have to assume you're full of it like 99% of mmoclueless.com.

Goofd luck finding links to that kind of information on the interdweebs. I get my information from white papers.

Originally posted by fyerwall

Originally posted by javac

great, we've reverted back to the "zomg they are LYING TO US ABOUT MODELS OF DISTRIBUTED COMPUTING" again. just when i thought i might have my *first* halfway intelligent discussion on mmoretard.com.

 

is there *anyone* else here who has a *clue* about IT beyond the level of wikipedia and doesn't talk out their arsehole about shit they don't understand?

 

i need to drink more if i have to go back to RPing a darkfall troll troll baiting for mmorpg.com retards again.

 

Seriously, if you want to prove that the server tech is different you need to show some hard evidence. Reposting something that was said is not proof. Anyone can say 1 thing and do the total opposite.

As for having a clue, I think my MCSE, Net+ and Comp Sci degree gives me clue enough.

Don't worry about it fyre. You already won the debate when javac had to resort  to insulting not just you, but this entire site.

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Originally posted by fyerwall
Seriously, if you want to prove that the server tech is different you need to show some hard evidence. Reposting something that was said is not proof. Anyone can say 1 thing and do the total opposite.

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did you demand a personal tour of the WOW datacentre when you so boldly asserted that i was wtf wrong about their server tech? which i might add, i am still waiting for even a *basic link* to backup your argument.

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As for having a clue, I think my MCSE, Net+ and Comp Sci degree gives me clue enough.

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i'll see your BCompSci, and raise you a BSc(Hons), a PhD, a couple of millions lines of commercial code running on teh interwebz and ~10+ years IT experience. call or fold? i don't have an MCSE though, i don't do microslop. microcrap doesn't belong on real servers anyhow.

it's the chardonnay talking.

all *I* said was some generally well-known generalisations about WOW (and DF) vis-a-vis their differing approaches to server infrastructure to refute some - as usual - unreferenced made-up crap from Ozmodan. I was summarily pounced upon by a couple of apparently butthurt WOW players who *boldly* asserted they knew how WOW Did Things (TM).

Genuinely interested, i asked for a linky for any of the above, but sadly have not been enlightened. apparently my use of somewhat denigrating terms like 'crap' and mmoclueless.com hit a nerve and a randomly clueless bystander jumped into the fray.

Now, at the end, i feel like the audience at the premiere of 'Contact'. anticlimaxed. qq.

Originally posted by javac

Originally posted by miagisan

lol....what an ignorant person, EVERY MMORPG RUNS ON SERVER CLUSTERS. EVE's are one of the biggest and most powerful in the world......god i hate people who THINK they know everything.

 

you don't know what 'server cluster' means.

 

oh and btw eve's cluster doesn't even make it into the top ten server clusters. probably not even the top 100.

 

you're the ignorant one here. you don't even know the *basics* of the terminology. go away.

in gaming it is one of the most powerful server clusters.  I think wow has larger, but EVE's are actually more powerful

sorry didn't clarify earlier, was talking about gaming server clusters.

I was browsing through til i saw the lil conversation that was started by you and couple others in here and was very entertained , especially by the royal pwning you gave them fellers. I admint i dont know shat about what yall were discussing but the way you expressed yourself convinced me that you in fact do know what your talking about unlike the DF haters in here.

I think we've established that javac is talking out of his rear more then interested in providing evidence.  He feels that, claiming, he has a degree (of any grade) puts him above anybody else... instead of providing actual information or arguing a topic.

The Topic, we're trying to debate with you, is your claim about MMO Infrastructure.

When you don't know the answer, you start claiming we don't know what we're talking about.  We've accurately proven everything we've said, you've called us "mmoretards" and claimed we didn't know anything or only what was written on wikipedia.

I'd wager, that you don't even know that.

I know LOTS of people who give speeches about their, respective, topics at all sorts of international meetings.  You, sir, couldn't field a few basic questions... as "intellegent", "educated", or "seasoned", as you (think) might be, you don't have a clue about MMO Server Architecture.

On top of that, you have no class, or respect, for anybody trying to engage you in conversation.  Even a professional has that... if you can't muster the ability to conduct civilized conversation, perhaps you should "go away" (as you said to somebody earlier).

Perhaps you should go back to school, or talk to your mother about how to treat others.

Short of that, perhaps you shouldn't run from responses.

just to prove a point, eve runs on "the most powerful supercomputer server cluster in gaming"

www.gamershell.com/companies/ccp_games/308832.html

Javac do you know how the run the Battleground Europe servers aka WWIIOL, because WWIIOL is the only other MMORPG that comes close to what DF is trying to acomplish atm, i think DF will be the WWIIOL of the Fantasy world, hardcore players that will build a close bond and respect towards what the makers and devs of the game are trying to accomplish.

Originally posted by miagisan

just to prove a point, eve runs on "the most powerful supercomputer server cluster in gaming"

www.gamershell.com/companies/ccp_games/308832.html

strictly speaking i think that title still belongs to deep blue, the IBM supercomputer built as a PR stunt to play (and lose against) Gary Kasparov.

don't get me wrong though, i love EVE.

Originally posted by CaesarsGhost

I think we've established that javac is talking out of his rear more then interested in providing evidence.

only you think that. everyone else knows you got wtfpwned. specifically i gave links that substantiated my claim, you didn't; your knowledge of distributed computing == cursory, etc. sorry.

but if you can pls do find me a link, any link that describes WOW's server tech as being anything like what you were claiming.

Originally posted by javac

but if you can pls do find me a link, any link that describes WOW's server tech as being anything like what you were claiming.

I believe you're getting your people confused.  I, never once, mentioned World of Warcraft.

However, you never answered my question:
Do all Darkfall articles dating back to 2003 Timeframe contain fully, up to date, information?

Enough with the techno babble bullsh!t, Darkfall uses "chunking" while in game (IE Vanguard). Understanding the actual server design behind Darkfall is a tad over the scope of this discussion.

Darkfall releases in just 10 days and it is going to flop badly!

Me and my girlfriend just returned from out of town, visiting a guildee who is in Darkfall beta. I got to play the game for about 6-7 hours and partake in an attempted seige, etc.

Darkfall is a blast to play, but it doesn't warrant a monthly subscription, because there is nothing there! The game is NOT an MMORPG and almost everything in the FAQ is missing from the game. There is no RPG elements to this game.

Huge discussion on the beta message boards and it seems that most the fanbois are actually trolls who are secretly saying the game is awsome, because they want it to flop even harder. (makes sense?)

I really don't know where to start, I had a couple of hours to think about it on the way home and basically, Darkfall is another Dark & Light.

Tasos is just another slick car salesman that has provided lip service instead of a product. I've read the betaleak boards (etc) and almost everything people have said about the game is TRUE.

Darkfall is nothing but an extremely dumbed down version of Planetside! !! Combat is pethetic and not even remotely like a typical first person shooter (Counterstrike/Battlefield) . The skill trees are basically fake and have basically no logical feeling of progression.  Heck even Warhammer has better progression of your character. Nothing seems to work as intended, jump skill? It does nothing..

I really don't want to sit here and bash every part of this game, because it would just take too long. I just want other people to be aware that this game is a big SCAM.

Go watch that Darkfall trailer, aside from the kick azz trees and lighting nothing is in the game, it's empty. BTW, there are no boats or housing... that was all a lie!!!

I was expecting an unfinished game due to reading the beta leaks and posts from beta testers, but I had no idea Darkfall was in this condition. Put it this way, no amount of patching is going to fix Aventurine's lack of vision or ability. This game took 7 years for a reason...  they are amatures!