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  javac

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2/14/09 3:18:20 AM#121


Originally posted by rhinok

 There were three comments that concern me:

[*]"There are also thousands of testers to support" - it would be nice to know how many thousands, since most leaks still reference pretty empty worlds. 


1) The world isn't empty, it's just REALLY BIG.
2) mobs in DF are a lot more realistic - they aren't littered all over the map as in WOW, they almost always have their own village/ruins/encampment to inhabit.
3) there aren't many player-built cities in the beta yet.


 How limited? While I appreciate that Darkfall is an independent title, it's still a MMO.  How will they every make any money and be able to continue development if they can't support MMO number. 100k subscribers would be a nice number for a small MMO.  

50-100K is i think what they may aim for at the start.


Does he mean there will literally be just a single server holding up to 10k concurrent users?  

that's 10K concurrent, so more like 50-100K subscribers to begin with.


Hearing that they have enough resources to handle a threshold of total players would probably help instill some confidence in their potential customers. 

the DF world runs on a 240 CPU node cluster, similar to EVE. you just don't roll those out on a whim. there is a huge upfront cost to consider.



"Running guards have been replaced by guard towers because they are more effective and also because more NPCs in the world just take up player spots."  This concerns me a little bit.  Why do NPCs take up PC spots?

DF mobs have great AI, better than anything we have seen in a MMO before. No joke. The reason why MMOs have historically had braid-dead mob AI is because most MMOs run off single servers, and so they do not have the CPU capacity to run complex AI for 1000s of mobs in the world.

DF runs in a 240 CPU cluster, with complex AI, which takes up a certain amount of CPU bandwidth in the cluster.



Does this mean there can only be a total of 10k character spots on the server, which includes NPCs?  

just like any MMO, there is a finite amount of CPU. mob AI does consume CPU, which means yes, there is a limit on the number of Actors (mobs + players) in a world.



Guard towers don't take up resources?  

they take less, because they are 'dumb AI'.



Is this why players are complaining about a lack of NPCs?  

No, as above, players are just accustomed to seeing MMOs with dumb static mobs over every square cm of the world. DF's world is a much more realitic world, in every way.

  Kaynos1972

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2/14/09 3:30:28 AM#122
Originally posted by Ruyn

Darkfall is ready, so you naysayers better hold onto your panties because it's going to blow your mind.


 

Some peoples would believe anything.   Dec 12, 2012 is the end of the world too, you must believe this too right.

  javac

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Joined: 8/13/08
Posts: 1266

2/14/09 4:02:45 AM#123
Originally posted by Aguitha
Originally posted by Ruyn

Darkfall is ready, so you naysayers better hold onto your panties because it's going to blow your mind.

Some peoples would believe anything.   Dec 12, 2012 is the end of the world too, you must believe this too right.

 

He's in the beta, he's not making a statement of pure belief. *obviously*.

  ipon

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Joined: 2/09/09
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2/14/09 5:01:56 AM#124

All hail Javac.. the last ultimate deluded fanboy.

How pathetic can you get. Stop embarrassing yourself.

  daarco

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2/14/09 5:13:38 AM#125
Originally posted by ipon

All hail Javac.. the last ultimate deluded fanboy.

How pathetic can you get. Stop embarrassing yourself.


 

Maybe he is beta too?

Half the members here are in beta you know.

  ipon

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Joined: 2/09/09
Posts: 25

2/14/09 5:51:09 AM#126

This game will go down as the biggest MMO failure in history.

This game was supposed to be the next coming of Christ by all accounts.

and look at it now.. look how fucking low this shit sank thanks to the amazing Tasos and all his bullshit , lies and garbage.

They can't even launch the game.. a game that was already 100% awesome and ready to launch months and months and months ago according to the mighty Tacos.

This game should be CANCELLED. Not launched. THAT'S what the "right" thing would be to do. But of course Tacos instead will try everything in his power to have whatever is left of his fanboy player base that he shit on for the last who knows how many years now pay him money to help fund his already sunken ship to the very end.

All hail Tacos

  fs23otm

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Joined: 6/11/07
Posts: 256

2/14/09 6:19:13 AM#127

"There will be a limited number of pre-order copies of Darkfall offered, and a limited number of copies available at launch. We won’t try to support more users than we can guarantee a good gameplay experience for, and if demand is higher than supply, then we will move to a structured release."

 

What? if demand is higher then supply, they will move to a structured release? WTF is that.

Basically if they have enough preorders that gave them cash, then they will finish the game and move on to somekind of release.

Hahah, Darkfail is the worst vaporware ever.

 

  User Deleted
2/14/09 6:33:57 AM#128
Originally posted by fs23otm

"There will be a limited number of pre-order copies of Darkfall offered, and a limited number of copies available at launch. We won’t try to support more users than we can guarantee a good gameplay experience for, and if demand is higher than supply, then we will move to a structured release."

 

What? if demand is higher then supply, they will move to a structured release? WTF is that.

Basically if they have enough preorders that gave them cash, then they will finish the game and move on to somekind of release.

Hahah, Darkfail is the worst vaporware ever.

 

 

Good point..I do think there be allot of players who will not pre-order regardless if they are a fanbois or not..Taos has bills to pay and it seems he is very Nervous if his game becomes a epic failure regargless how much big talk he makes..Time is all most up for him now it time to pay the Piper..

  zymurgeist

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2/14/09 6:34:56 AM#129
Originally posted by javac 

DF mobs have great AI, better than anything we have seen in a MMO before. No joke. The reason why MMOs have historically had braid-dead mob AI is because most MMOs run off single servers, and so they do not have the CPU capacity to run complex AI for 1000s of mobs in the world.
 


 

There hasn't been a single server pay to play MMO in ten years. A single server MMO couldn't handle 15 simultaneous clients. EQ used sever clusters for pete's sake. The reason MMOs typically have brain dead mobs is because they don't want to frustrate their brain dead players.

"Strong and bitter words indicate a weak cause" ~Victor Hugo

  Soldarith

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2/14/09 7:38:30 AM#130

I just had to point out how this interview sounded strikingly similar to one Bill Roper gave for Hellgate: London prior to its launch...

 

Questions? We don't really answer those.

 

Specifics? We don't really need those right now.

 

NDA? We won't comment on that until hours before launch.

 

Benefits for pre-order? Its a "surprise".

 

Features? "Its in there! Keep looking while we try to patch"

 

 

  Polarization

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Joined: 1/06/05
Posts: 1430

ubi dubium ibi libertas

2/14/09 8:11:17 AM#131

Secretly I'm a little disappointed that Tasos, Aventurine and Darkfall have finally been revealed to actually be everything I had predicted they might be.

Only thing left to do now is sit back and watch the final meltdown fireworks when whatever's left of this games passionate community that falls for this trap and actually preorders implodes in on itself and Aventurine on the 25th or whenever this game finally "launches".

  jimsmith08

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Joined: 11/14/07
Posts: 1058

2/14/09 8:23:24 AM#132

Some classics in there,pure Tasos.

Running guards have been replaced by guard towers because they are more effective and also because more NPCs in the world just take up player spots.

  Ozmodan

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Joined: 2/27/07
Posts: 6561

2/14/09 9:03:41 AM#133

Sorry but I had to reply to all the ridiculous posts about the Darkfall server because their delusional statements need rebuttal.  First off, all the MMO's I know of you multiple servers to form a game server.  Most game companies do not give out server design information, so you can't know that Darkfall is any different than anyone else.

If you had any inkling of what the biggest load of a MMO is, you would realize that  the I/O access to the database is numero uno when it comes to server delay.  CCP is the only one I know using RamSan technology at the moment and I know that is something Aventurine flat out can't afford.

Secondly this so called beta has to be one of the shortest in history and with so few testors they have not come close to testing the server code.   It is a well known fact that the servers are down more than they are up.

So it is a very easy conclusion to make that Aventurine nor anyone else has any inkling what their servers will do with a full load.

If this game releases you will be looking at a very early beta code at best.  If that thrills you to pay them to test their product have at it. 

Oh and the reason that the guards were replaced was that the glorious AI stunk, they were quite ineffective.  So much for your superior AI.

  Unshra

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Joined: 6/23/05
Posts: 382

2/14/09 9:28:47 AM#134
Originally posted by CaesarsGhost

Dark and Light - Interview 8

Dark and Light - Interview 9

does anybody else notice the eerily similar responses?

 

My thoughts exactly, the more I hear about DF the more it reminds me of DnL.


Because flying a Minmatar ship is like going down a flight of stairs on an office chair while firing an Uzi.

  Fordeka

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Joined: 2/14/09
Posts: 2

2/14/09 10:05:54 AM#135

"The only feature we haven’t had time to implement is the Mahirim 4 legged run. Mahirim characters can of course use mounts until this is implemented."

According to the beta testers, this is an outright lie. This company is going to turn out to be another Funcom.

http://s1.zetaboards.com/betaleaks/topic/1226463/3/

 

  Wyldsong

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Joined: 3/18/07
Posts: 276

2/14/09 10:13:56 AM#136
Originally posted by Hersaint

ARAC= All races all characters?

Just wondering, cuz I thought I heard that term in Shadowbane when I played it a few years ago.


 

 Not sure if this was already answered, but I am not reading all of the replies to see.  I first heard ARAC back in the original EQ days.  It stood for All Races All Classes.  And yeah, the term was thrown around quite a bit SB.

  Bruticus_XI

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2/14/09 10:22:06 AM#137
Originally posted by daarco
Originally posted by ipon

All hail Javac.. the last ultimate deluded fanboy.

How pathetic can you get. Stop embarrassing yourself.


 

Maybe he is beta too?

Half the members here are in beta you know.

I am also in the Beta and I must say that Darkfall is absolutely revolutionary. You'd be a moron not to at least try this; I wouldn't go so far as to suggest pre-ordering, because trust is a hard thing to build and Tasos has been doing a terrible job. However, he's not lying. I don't care if the game's feature complete or not; right now, it's fun and incredibly awesome enough to beat down all the AAA MMOs that are out right now.

Go Darkfall 2009!

  Alandora

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Posts: 356

2/14/09 10:55:03 AM#138

So there are 1500 beta testers, the servers are down way more than half the time, and they have already turned off 'most' of the mobs in the game and replaced guards with static towers.   Most beta testers are not logged in at the same time.

Yet we are to believe that he is going to pull off 10,000 players playing at the same time? 

No open beta
NDA still in effect
No stress test
Beta testers getting banned for mentioning anything negative on the beta forums
No system specs
No independant reviews
The game was 'feature complete' 3 months ago, yet features are being removed as we speak?
Pre-order money for a 'chance' to play at launch?

Sersiously.. if you are paying in advance for darkfall, is there anything you wouldn't?

  Eisdrache

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Dragon trapped in human body

2/14/09 11:07:36 AM#139

This is all very inconviniend.

I become pretty shure we will not see a launch on the 25th. ;-/

Unfortunately may EvE testaccount ends in some days...

Hope dies at last...

  javac

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Joined: 8/13/08
Posts: 1266

2/14/09 11:23:35 AM#140
Originally posted by ipon

All hail Javac.. the last ultimate deluded fanboy.

How pathetic can you get. Stop embarrassing yourself.

 

This, from the guy who has been creating and recreating mmorpg.com accounts over and over to troll Darkfall for at least *2 years*, lmao.

 

 

create mmorpg.com account, post some lies about darkfall, send private messages to people who call you out, get banned by mmorpg.com 2-3 days later, then repeat the cycle. *for over 2 years*

 

...and you call other people pathetic?

 

seriously, what did tasos/aventurine do to you? some rumours say you were employed by them at one point but were fired for incompetence... is that really true? pls clear this up for us, your dedication to slandering darkfall is second to none.

 

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