Originally posted by uohaloran

I'm patiently waiting for this game but even I'm not crazy enough to send them preorder cash.  Especially if the only benefit we've been told is an early download.

If it does come out the entire first month will be a mess; there isn't a doubt in my mind.  This game just draws that crowd.  Hopefully afterwards it will find a decent equilibrium and all will be well.

I'm certainly done putting faith into them.  If it comes out: good.  If it doesn't then I won't be out anything.  I'm not some butthurt guy who has been watching this game for the last decade being under the impression that Adventurine even owes me screenshot.

The purpose of the pre order is not early download,it is to ENSURE you have a spot to play,witch means there wil be limitations on sales.

At 10k a server,i really find it hard to believe they will have many servers and will most likely put well over 10k per server in hopes they do not have them all login at the same time.Pretty much like your Cable internet companies operate.I cannot imagine 100k  players and around 7 servers.I am guessing maybe 4 servers.

It really sounds to me like these guys are pushing the limits of their engine/servers to near problematic stages.I kind of figured the lack of mobs in the game was a reason beyond beta or alpha,they will NOT be adding anything more,because the game/servers cannot handle it ,without lowering the player limits per server.

Personally i do not believe this game/servers can handle 10k players,most game struggle around 5k.Only way to achieve this is barren landscapes and nothing in the game for mobs or npcs.

I guess the success of this game will be based on what players WANT/NEED from the game.When i watched the leaked videos ,i thought ,hmm why did these guys login to the game,it seems like they are as bored playing as i was watching.

Originally posted by Bureyku

Originally posted by CaesarsGhost

Dark and Light - Interview 8

Dark and Light - Interview 9

does anybody else notice the eerily similar responses?

 

Are we really back to comparing DF to DnL after all the beta leaks?  Or are you just trying to stir the pot..

I'm comparing the responses and developer's answers... the "limited preorder"...

The 2 games are highly similar in more then just game basis, and the sort of crowds it attracts.  Many of the hardcore darkfall fans came from the DnL community I'm sure, and vice versa... surely they remember.

On top of those, there's always Mourning (age of mourning?  realms of krel?  2-4 dozen other names this game went by)?  Did the same NDA witchhunts and threatened to sue companies that didn't delete them fast enough... INCLUDING MMORPG.com and IGN.

If you don't notice the similarity with these games, and their respective crowds they seem to attract...

but yes, I see it.  Maybe not 100% gameplay, but I see it.

I fully expect another Dark and Light style release... as they've already given us another Dark and Light style Beta... and are bringing a Dark and Light style PreOrder...

Originally posted by Zayne3145

Originally posted by Bureyku

Originally posted by Zayne3145

Player housing consolidated into guild housing?

The one shred of hope for this game that remained has now been snubbed out forever.

Buhbye DF.

 

..."like individual player housing consolidated for now under clan housing"...

Little more drama please.  All anyone has to do is look at your post history to know you have said 'Buhbye DF' long, long ago. 

 

Oh come on, you seriously think they're going to implement it? I would bet my life it'll never see the light of day again. Everything Tasos says needs to be taken with not so much a pinch, but rather a deluge, of salt,

And yes, you're right - I did say goodbye to DF long ago, but a tiny part of me was still interested. This news has pretty much cemented my view on the game now. I'll still follow these threads, though - nothing beats DF drama for entertainment.

Zayne or the Confession Of a

Posting constantly negative comments about a game you're supposedly not interested in, just for the fun of creating more drama isn't "following", it's actually "trolling".

Originally posted by Fariic

Originally posted by Kasmos

Originally posted by Theocritus

Originally posted by BaronJuJu

Tasos: "There will be a limited number of pre-order copies of Darkfall offered, and a limited number of copies available at launch."

Are they planning to tell folks how many this may be?

 

         Isnt the usual strategy to try and get as many people as possible??/ Its hard for me to beleive that they will turn away any paying customers.......I dont know its just hard for me to believe anything Tasos says..... He just strikes me as your typical phony salesman that you cant beleive a word he says.......

 

When you have loads of cash, yes, but it's obvious that Aventurine is lacking the money and resources right now to support all who want to play. If I can't get in at launch and have to wait for them to get more servers up and running, so be it, as long as they keep patching like they have been the past month I think the game will do just fine.

You can't just throw up more servers when everyone logs into the same place.  It's ONE world; so they have to have an infastructure able to support 10's of thousands of players at the same time.
 

So no, you can't use the typical strategy of push as many boxes as you can.  You gotta go with, push as many as your infastructure is able to handle, and add more as you're able.

500k boxes doesn't do them any good if no one can play the game cause the servers don't work with 50k+ logged in at once.  Just because you can fit 1k people into a nightclub at once doens't mean you should allow more then the 300 allowed; just ask P. Diddy.

stress test before launch????????????????? and i asked pdiddly his reply was wtf is darkfall?
 

Originally posted by MyPreciousss

Originally posted by Zayne3145

Originally posted by Bureyku

Originally posted by Zayne3145

Player housing consolidated into guild housing?

The one shred of hope for this game that remained has now been snubbed out forever.

Buhbye DF.

 

..."like individual player housing consolidated for now under clan housing"...

Little more drama please.  All anyone has to do is look at your post history to know you have said 'Buhbye DF' long, long ago. 

 

Oh come on, you seriously think they're going to implement it? I would bet my life it'll never see the light of day again. Everything Tasos says needs to be taken with not so much a pinch, but rather a deluge, of salt,

And yes, you're right - I did say goodbye to DF long ago, but a tiny part of me was still interested. This news has pretty much cemented my view on the game now. I'll still follow these threads, though - nothing beats DF drama for entertainment.

Zayne or the Confession Of a

Posting constantly negative comments about a game you're supposedly not interested in, just for the fun of creating more drama isn't "following", it's actually "trolling".

pot calling the kettle black??
 

Originally posted by CaesarsGhost

 

I'm comparing the responses and developer's answers... the "limited preorder"...

The 2 games are highly similar in more then just game basis, and the sort of crowds it attracts.  Many of the hardcore darkfall fans came from the DnL community I'm sure, and vice versa... surely they remember.

On top of those, there's always Mourning (age of mourning?  realms of krel?  2-4 dozen other names this game went by)?  Did the same NDA witchhunts and threatened to sue companies that didn't delete them fast enough... INCLUDING MMORPG.com and IGN.

If you don't notice the similarity with these games, and their respective crowds they seem to attract...

but yes, I see it.  Maybe not 100% gameplay, but I see it.

 

I fully expect another Dark and Light style release... as they've already given us another Dark and Light style Beta... and are bringing a Dark and Light style PreOrder...

I am unable to agree with you on the D'n'L theory as I have spoken to one of my friends in current beta who also Beta tested D'n'L and it appears it has no comparison at all from the beta prospective, there is far more in DFO and still many things have to be turned of according to what has been discussed on forum. Still we will see and again everyone is entitled to their opinion, though I doubt comparing this game to any other seem a little pointless at this stage until we get to see the finished product then we can compare it.
 

Indecently if I was going to compare it to another MMO it would be more like MO, as it would be closer in the modern era due to the advance in technology and the pre-order program/model is something we will see more and more of as companies try to secure funds to run their games and give an injection of much needed funds especially in our current climate.

I am not sure that any new company can run without and influx or injection of revenue and this is a way of acheiving it. Weather or not it is correct is another debate for another day, but that comes down to each individual to make that choice weather to invest in their product based on many factors.
 

Bandit.

Good update. Great reading.

Did I read that right?

First he claims that they dropped early-access for pre-orders since it would be "unfair", but then he proceeds to shoot himself in the foot by dropping the "limited release with priority given to preorders" bomb.

So instead of dangling the "short early-access period" carrot in front of the fanboys, they are now using "an indefinitely long head-start" as pre-order bait? In other words, they're telling the fanboys that in order to NOT get left out of the game for god-knows how long, you better pay them a "nominal" and presumeably non-refundable fee for an increased chance to get in at launch?

Just as you thought they couldn't be crazy enough to pull any more shenanigans, they come out of the woods and out-do themselves.

Sorry Tasos is just blowing smoke on his 10k per server, especially since most MMO's with far more experienced staff usually run 5k.  LIke someone said above to achieve that number they will have to severely limit the number of npcs and mobs in the game.   He should not do interviews, his credibility is in the dumps because of them.  His overly defensive stance does not bode well for the game if that is representative of the rest of the staff.  Arrogance breeds mistakes.

I still think they have not tested effectively the server tech.  My guess is, we will see a lot of server crashes the first few months while they get it sorted out.

LIke I said before, this will be a rough launch.  You can't expect a smooth one with as little testing as they have done.

I wish them luck, but the critics will be on them hard.

I've been in DF beta now for some time and it works very well, most of their promised features are in. The game world is absolutly gorgeus, I've never seen more beatifully designed game world, and I've seen quite many. Too bad it's half empty, not many quests, half of the mobs are missing, NPCs are a rarety and buildings are inaccessible. I'm very surprised if they actually launch the game in two weeks...

I could write lot more, but the internet is allready filled with leaks, you would have to be braindead not to find them...

One thing is for sure, Darkfall is definetly a different kind of game. In both good and bad.

Originally posted by CaesarsGhost

Dark and Light - Interview 8

Dark and Light - Interview 9

does anybody else notice the eerily similar responses?

Or that game "The Chronicle" you were working on a few years back, remember that? It was also eerily similar to how DarkFall is handled now....

Originally posted by Anciegher

Originally posted by CaesarsGhost

Dark and Light - Interview 8

Dark and Light - Interview 9

does anybody else notice the eerily similar responses?

 

Or that game "The Chronicle" you were working on a few years back, remember that? It was also eerily similar to how DarkFall is handled now....

Actually, TC was WWWAAAYYY worse then Darkfall.  I can honestly say that, without reservation, TC was handled worse.  I believe I've said it a few times on the Darkfall boards when it's pointed out too.

It's one of the reasons I'm trying to point out the general problem.  The Fans of TC were fairly bad too (Sorry Brando), and fanatical... myself included originally.  Live and learn, huh?

However, we were using a proven MMOFPS technology.

So if I read this right...

Darkfall will start out as some sort of exclusive club based on first-come basis... up to server cap?

Think that will make it a "i have a spot playing Darkfall, therefore i'm better than you" achievement?

This is Dark & Light all over again I think.

Originally posted by MyPreciousss

Originally posted by Zayne3145

Originally posted by Bureyku

Originally posted by Zayne3145

Player housing consolidated into guild housing?

The one shred of hope for this game that remained has now been snubbed out forever.

Buhbye DF.

 

..."like individual player housing consolidated for now under clan housing"...

Little more drama please.  All anyone has to do is look at your post history to know you have said 'Buhbye DF' long, long ago. 

 

Oh come on, you seriously think they're going to implement it? I would bet my life it'll never see the light of day again. Everything Tasos says needs to be taken with not so much a pinch, but rather a deluge, of salt,

And yes, you're right - I did say goodbye to DF long ago, but a tiny part of me was still interested. This news has pretty much cemented my view on the game now. I'll still follow these threads, though - nothing beats DF drama for entertainment.

Zayne or the Confession Of a

Posting constantly negative comments about a game you're supposedly not interested in, just for the fun of creating more drama isn't "following", it's actually "trolling".

Try doing more than skimming over someone's post history before making such ridiculous assumptions. Also, since when did reading a forum constitute trolling? Or is that a new rule you militant fanboys have brought in to whitewash any negative press?

I wonder if the Darkfall Fanatic Moderator that MMORPG.com employs is looking to lock or delete the news posting as well as the ones in the Darkfall forum section...

I wish more game developers were like Tasos. Instead of treating gamers badly he provides genuine status info and straight to the point answers. I also like how much his straightforward style gets up the nose of  the ADD-riddled crowd on mmorpg.com who need to be handheld through recycled lines of marketing stuff in order to feel comfortable in a game.

ps: DF is more stable and more fun in beta than the current crop of MMOs around are months after release.

pps: i am also relieved and glad that mmorpg.com morons will not be taking my preorder place. cheers.

right, now back to DF.

{ Mod Edit }

 There were three comments that concern me:

1. "There are also thousands of testers to support" - it would be nice to know how many thousands, since most leaks still reference pretty empty worlds. 
2. "There will be a limited number of pre-order copies of Darkfall offered, and a limited number of copies available at launch. We won’t try to support more users than we can guarantee a good gameplay experience for, and if demand is higher than supply, then we will move to a structured release. It’s also not a matter of simply throwing up a few more servers to meet increased demand. Darkfall being a sandbox, real-time, seamless world able to support over 10 thousand concurrent users requires considerably more infrastructure and support in place than your average MMOG. We will do what is necessary to support the demand, but it’s not going to be instantaneous."  How limited? While I appreciate that Darkfall is an independent title, it's still a MMO.  How will they every make any money and be able to continue development if they can't support MMO number. 100k subscribers would be a nice number for a small MMO.  Will they even be able to support than many players?  Does he mean there will literally be just a single server holding up to 10k concurrent users?  Who spends 8 years and millions of Euros to develop a MMO that can't support a MMO population, even a relatively small one like I mentioned above?  Hearing that they have enough resources to handle a threshold of total players would probably help instill some confidence in their potential customers. 
3. "Running guards have been replaced by guard towers because they are more effective and also because more NPCs in the world just take up player spots."  This concerns me a little bit.  Why do NPCs take up PC spots? Does this mean there can only be a total of 10k character spots on the server, which includes NPCs?  Guard towers don't take up resources?  Is this why players are complaining about a lack of NPCs?  If the running guards are so significant a problem that they had to be removed so more characters can be played, then that points to some potentially major issues with their design and infrastructure.

~Ripper

A good read and update.

I interpreted this as it's a limited pre-order/order because simply they cannot support several hundred thousand people online at the same time :P

So therefore they will start of small and only allowing a limited number of people to buy the game and play.

I mean take a look at eve online which is also one big world.

Someone said they hit a new player record of 50k concurrent users online at the same time. And imagine how much money they have invested in hardware and how long it has taken for them to reach that.

Just be realistic.

/Tagert

I had thought that this game was the one I had been waiting for - for quite a long time without even realizing it.

I wanted nothing more than to believe the hype and was essentially a fan boy (though not getting into tangles with trolls).

But my opinion now is that the management here is so arrogant and self-rightous that it is extremely unlikely that this is the MMO saviour I have been waiting for.

They are putting their supposed ideals above the necessities of meeting the demands of their potential player base.

Until they actually deliver me something tangible I say screw 'em.

Call me selfish but we all are - if they want our money they have to deliver to each of our selfishness. There is no collective as they have delivered nothing to anybody to be collective about.