Originally posted by Kyleran

Originally posted by KinePs3

Its not a dream

 

Its not vaporware

 

Its a reality!!

The best game  seen. Thats the reality.

 

Bad luck haters

 

Prove it?  Oh, that's right, you can't.  Under NDA and all that.

Yeah, my interest is waning a bit, but I do agree, if its not ready it should not ship.

But I think Aventurine has run out of money and has no choice but to go live soon, or close the doors.

 

I am leaning more towards closing the doors.

I wouldn't be surprised in the least of this game never gets out of the gate.

It isn't ready for a 2 week release date, everyone knows it isn't ready for a 2 week release date.

If Aventurine pushes it out now in it's current state, they know it will fail. That will be a huge loss in revenue.

They also can't afford to keep working on it forever, which is why this released date is being pushed.

They are in the late stages of a lose lose situation.

In the end though I wouldn't be surprised if they just said screw it and scaped the project and took their losses.

On the other hand though, they might just release it in it's current craptastic state, and hope as many bafoons as possible will buy it to at a minimum recoupe SOME of their losses, a little money before shutting down is better than no money before shutting down.

Oh well, they deserve it anyway.

I will admit I wasn't following this game for a very long time at all but when I tuned into it I was intrigued by what it offered but my bad exp. with AOC has med me into a skeptic. Now with the last delay and seemingly last second beta has made me pretty much indifferent and a even larger skeptic to  the qaulity of the launch.

I would be happy if Darkfall is a awesome game and I would play it but right now...

who cares?

plenty of other games in development that don't have the sordid history of DF and are better organized

To be honest, at least for me, there is nothing captivating that keeps you ingame.  It feels like a tease of fps games, making you want to play actual fps's.  As someone who doesn't pay for it, I don't even login anymore.

Others may enjoy it.  Not trying to talk down on the game because of my opinion.

Maybe subconciously you were interested in the chase and now you are left with a 'now what?' feeling.

Originally posted by skydragonren

Originally posted by Kyleran

Originally posted by KinePs3

Its not a dream

 

Its not vaporware

 

Its a reality!!

The best game  seen. Thats the reality.

 

Bad luck haters

 

Prove it?  Oh, that's right, you can't.  Under NDA and all that.

Yeah, my interest is waning a bit, but I do agree, if its not ready it should not ship.

But I think Aventurine has run out of money and has no choice but to go live soon, or close the doors.

 

 

I am leaning more towards closing the doors.

I wouldn't be surprised in the least of this game never gets out of the gate.

It isn't ready for a 2 week release date, everyone knows it isn't ready for a 2 week release date.

If Aventurine pushes it out now in it's current state, they know it will fail. That will be a huge loss in revenue.

They also can't afford to keep working on it forever, which is why this released date is being pushed.

They are in the late stages of a lose lose situation.

 

In the end though I wouldn't be surprised if they just said screw it and scaped the project and took their losses.

On the other hand though, they might just release it in it's current craptastic state, and hope as many bafoons as possible will buy it to at a minimum recoupe SOME of their losses, a little money before shutting down is better than no money before shutting down.

Oh well, they deserve it anyway.

I don't think its Aventurine, I think the publisher. I am beginning to think that Aventurine is having publisher issues in the form of either, they can't agree on involvement/payment/duties/etc, or they are having trouble securing one and keeping it under wraps. With only 2 weeks to go, there should be some announcement from Aventurine or their publisher as to the state of the administrative stuff (billing, download, etc...) but since we have not heard anything about it (and it was admitted by Tasos that it didn't come together like they wanted), I think there are serious issues in that area.

Who knows what those issues might be but if I was in charge of a publishing company, I would be very skeptical of any game right now especially if the game isn't ready, isn't well-done and doesn't have the promised features. I would be more concerned if any of that applied to a game that has been in development for as long as Darkfall has.

Fanbois will scream and shout about it but its the truth. If the publisher isn't happy, they are not going to contract with the game development company if the game isn't ready. Add to that the economic situation and they will be even more careful. Remember, think like a development company with millions of dollars on the line. If the game was great and they are ready to publish, this stuff would have been done ages ago; but since we still lack ANY info on billing, download, signup, hell, even how much it will cost per month exactly, it does not bode well for the game in general and more specfically a release 2 weeks away.

Originally posted by Fibsdk

If the alternative is a rushed release to cater to the whining crowd of people wanting it NOW i would rather have a company waiting while ironing out bugs. I am sick and tired of paying full price for product that is 60% finished and bug ridden. VG was a prime example of that.

 

You people are strange. You want a fast release but whine when the game is virtually unplayable. Guess what Einsteins. maybe you shouldn't have added so much preasure for a quicker release when the game fails to meet you rexpectations in terms of class balances and broken content.

Give them the time it takes to finish their product. Play something else while you wait. You are going to quit after the first month anyway when you realize you are sitting on a less than polished product.

 

If you want a fast release then don't come complaining about bugs on the forums later on

 

For a game that's feature-complete...I want just that.  If the fucking PR guy comes out and says, "Darkfall at this point is feature-complete and more ready than most MMOs released into the market" then I expect him to back up what he's saying. 

It was NEVER about pushing this release forward, for me.  It was about Aventurine doing what they have said they would do.  I'm sorry your EXPECTATIONS have been lowered because Aventurine keeps backing out of dates and other statements they've said they would stand by.

Honestly, Einstein, it was never that we don't care about Darkfall, we just don't give a fuck about Aventurine.  They made this coffin for themselves, I'm just waiting to see if they can throw the dirt out faster than it's being tossed in.

Originally posted by templarga

Originally posted by skydragonren

Originally posted by Kyleran

Originally posted by KinePs3

Its not a dream

 

Its not vaporware

 

Its a reality!!

The best game  seen. Thats the reality.

 

Bad luck haters

 

Prove it?  Oh, that's right, you can't.  Under NDA and all that.

Yeah, my interest is waning a bit, but I do agree, if its not ready it should not ship.

But I think Aventurine has run out of money and has no choice but to go live soon, or close the doors.

 

 

I am leaning more towards closing the doors.

I wouldn't be surprised in the least of this game never gets out of the gate.

It isn't ready for a 2 week release date, everyone knows it isn't ready for a 2 week release date.

If Aventurine pushes it out now in it's current state, they know it will fail. That will be a huge loss in revenue.

They also can't afford to keep working on it forever, which is why this released date is being pushed.

They are in the late stages of a lose lose situation.

 

In the end though I wouldn't be surprised if they just said screw it and scaped the project and took their losses.

On the other hand though, they might just release it in it's current craptastic state, and hope as many bafoons as possible will buy it to at a minimum recoupe SOME of their losses, a little money before shutting down is better than no money before shutting down.

Oh well, they deserve it anyway.

I don't think its Aventurine, I think the publisher. I am beginning to think that Aventurine is having publisher issues in the form of either, they can't agree on involvement/payment/duties/etc, or they are having trouble securing one and keeping it under wraps. With only 2 weeks to go, there should be some announcement from Aventurine or their publisher as to the state of the administrative stuff (billing, download, etc...) but since we have not heard anything about it (and it was admitted by Tasos that it didn't come together like they wanted), I think there are serious issues in that area.

Who knows what those issues might be but if I was in charge of a publishing company, I would be very skeptical of any game right now especially if the game isn't ready, isn't well-done and doesn't have the promised features. I would be more concerned if any of that applied to a game that has been in development for as long as Darkfall has.

Fanbois will scream and shout about it but its the truth. If the publisher isn't happy, they are not going to contract with the game development company if the game isn't ready. Add to that the economic situation and they will be even more careful. Remember, think like a development company with millions of dollars on the line. If the game was great and they are ready to publish, this stuff would have been done ages ago; but since we still lack ANY info on billing, download, signup, hell, even how much it will cost per month exactly, it does not bode well for the game in general and more specfically a release 2 weeks away.

Here's an interesting snippet regarding a publisher.

Community: why has Darkfall had such a hard time securing a solid publisher and with the impending release of both age of Conan and Warhammer online aren't you concerned that the game will be unable to maintain a self sustaining profitable player base considering that the other games have giant budgets and giant advertising campaigns.

Tasos Flambouras: In very simple terms, it's not so much as Darkfall having a hard time securing a publisher as it is that publishers have had a hard time securing Darkfall. I'll explain: We do have the capability to self-publish, so the competition to any publishing offer, aside from other offers, is our own plan for self-publication. In our self-publishing scheme we hire the same services that most publishers use so in effect "cutting out the middleman" is usually to our advantage, especially since as a newcomer in the gaming industry it's rare to get a fantastic deal. Furthermore, getting a publishing deal isn't crucial to us in regards to development, and we won't just jump at offers. We have the "luxury" to try to do what's best for the game in this context. That being said, we have been and still are in discussions with publishers who present a good and viable alternative to our self-publishing plan.

I can see having confidence in yourself, or your company, but this is a little much.

You can read the rest here: Darkfall Dev Journal #22: Community Q&A

I lost intresst when they where spamming forum about how good the game was  24/7, and they havent even played it when these posts emerged...

I think I lost intresst before that, not sure though ...  maybe I never had an intresst now that I think about it ...

Tasos should teach conning as an art, I'd bet he make more money that way than pushing his "mmo" out the door...fufufu.

This game lost me when I read about spamming the mouse button to attack.  Replacing skill button mashing for mouse button mashing sounds boring and might get old real quick. The game will be fun for some people but not for me.

Hakuna matata guys. Whining comes after, not before you pay for a product.

Originally posted by TheHoweller

Originally posted by Fibsdk

If the alternative is a rushed release to cater to the whining crowd of people wanting it NOW i would rather have a company waiting while ironing out bugs. I am sick and tired of paying full price for product that is 60% finished and bug ridden. VG was a prime example of that.

 

You people are strange. You want a fast release but whine when the game is virtually unplayable. Guess what Einsteins. maybe you shouldn't have added so much preasure for a quicker release when the game fails to meet you rexpectations in terms of class balances and broken content.

Give them the time it takes to finish their product. Play something else while you wait. You are going to quit after the first month anyway when you realize you are sitting on a less than polished product.

 

If you want a fast release then don't come complaining about bugs on the forums later on

 

 

For a game that's feature-complete...I want just that.  If the fucking PR guy comes out and says, "Darkfall at this point is feature-complete and more ready than most MMOs released into the market" then I expect him to back up what he's saying. 

It was NEVER about pushing this release forward, for me.  It was about Aventurine doing what they have said they would do.  I'm sorry your EXPECTATIONS have been lowered because Aventurine keeps backing out of dates and other statements they've said they would stand by.

Honestly, Einstein, it was never that we don't care about Darkfall, we just don't give a fuck about Aventurine.  They made this coffin for themselves, I'm just waiting to see if they can throw the dirt out faster than it's being tossed in.

This has to be the most irrational over emotional bull i have read all week.

Have you played and hated any of Adventurines products in the past?

Have you played darkfall and absolutely hated it?

If neither of those then you are just spewing hot air for no reason at all. Who cares abut press releases pushed release dates or wrongful information. What you should be doing is judge the game on it's merrits itself once released. That is more logic than to throw a tantrum based on  News of a delayed product. Sheesh you act like this game is what you live for and if you can't get it then you just couldn't bare it.

Hating on a pre-release product or the company that makes it makes zero sense. What change in your life does it make if a game you are waiting on get pushed lets say..another year?. Will you die?. Is gaming your entire life? Is darkfall?. Sounds a bit crazy to me.

Complaining that you bought a lemon is more rational.

"Well you just don't understand!!. I have been waiting on this game forever and they keep promising us a release. Adventurine just plain suck!!"

No YOU suck because you have made one game the center of your universe with your obsessive behavior. Nothing you can fault Adventurine for. The only thing you can demand is they deliver the product they promised WHEN it's good and ready.

This has to be the most irrational over emotional bull i have read all week.
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Irrational...How? No, you're going to explain this; how is anything he said irrational? It's fucking fact. Pushed back release date, sidestepping; this isn't opinion <Mod edit>: It's FACT, THIS HAS HAPPENED.
 
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Have you played and hated any of Adventurines products in the past?
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They are a fledgling company attempting to develop for a very difficult, if not the most difficult genre.
Let that fact sink in.
 
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If neither of those then you are just spewing hot air for no reason at all. Who cares abut press releases pushed release dates or wrongful information. What you should be doing is judge the game on it's merrits itself once released. That is more logic than to throw a tantrum based on News of a delayed product. Sheesh you act like this game is what you live for and if you can't get it then you just couldn't bare it.
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No reason at all... I trust you haven't seen the beta leaks. Sorry, but people have already been burned twice recently by crappy MMORPGs that have failed to deliver. A game surrounded by red flags, both PR and in the form of beta leaks; if you don't think this is an issue; then you're a fucking moron, I'm sorry.
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Hating on a pre-release product or the company that makes it makes zero sense. What change in your life does it make if a game you are waiting on get pushed lets say..another year?. Will you die?. Is gaming your entire life? Is darkfall?. Sounds a bit crazy to me.
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The date push backs aren't all that's wrong, it's the side stepping, the double speak, the horrendous beta leaks, the missing features; the symtoms of the same cash grab BS people are getting tired of. If this is okay with you; fantastic - but for the rest of us, this isn't right.

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Originally posted by NightbladeX1

This has to be the most irrational over emotional bull i have read all week.
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Irrational...How? No, you're going to explain this; how is anything he said irrational? It's fucking fact. Pushed back release date, sidestepping; this isn't opinion <Mod edit>: It's FACT, THIS HAS HAPPENED.
 
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Have you played and hated any of Adventurines products in the past?
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They are a fledgling company attempting to develop for a very difficult, if not the most difficult genre.
Let that fact sink in.
 
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If neither of those then you are just spewing hot air for no reason at all. Who cares abut press releases pushed release dates or wrongful information. What you should be doing is judge the game on it's merrits itself once released. That is more logic than to throw a tantrum based on News of a delayed product. Sheesh you act like this game is what you live for and if you can't get it then you just couldn't bare it.
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No reason at all... I trust you haven't seen the beta leaks. Sorry, but people have already been burned twice recently by crappy MMORPGs that have failed to deliver. A game surrounded by red flags, both PR and in the form of beta leaks; if you don't think this is an issue; then you're a fucking moron, I'm sorry.
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Hating on a pre-release product or the company that makes it makes zero sense. What change in your life does it make if a game you are waiting on get pushed lets say..another year?. Will you die?. Is gaming your entire life? Is darkfall?. Sounds a bit crazy to me.
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The date push backs aren't all that's wrong, it's the side stepping, the double speak, the horrendous beta leaks, the missing features; the symtoms of the same cash grab BS people are getting tired of. If this is okay with you; fantastic - but for the rest of us, this isn't right.

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Who cares about all that. If you are a burned MMORPG'er then let people play it before you when released and listen to what they say.
Judge the final product. And if you don't feel like wasting money to do so then read the feedback from other players.
Who cares about double speak and sidestepping. IF they deliver then good. If they don't then screw them. At this point it is all speculation. Hating on a product that hasn't been released yet is irrational no matter how you wish to spin it.
 
Since you  obviously have no first hand experince with the game that makes anything you say even more irrational.
 
Thats like hating on a movie you only heard about from jack across the street.

Game was overhyped anyway.

This is a good thing for the game, people will have more realistic expectations - a good game with all the features it boasted, nothing more.

Would have to say, if anything, im more interrested now than i was 6 years ago when i first heard about this games development.

I have no interrest in playing it anymore though, the interrest forms part of more of a social experiment now than anything else :)

Originally posted by Xris375

Hakuna matata guys. Whining comes after, not before you pay for a product.

On these forums whining starts the second a game is announced and has 1-2 screenshots released.  It isn't about what it could be, but about what it won't be, can't be, and why it will fail from day 1. 

Who cares about all that. If you are a burned MMORPG'er then let people play it before you when released and listen to what they say.

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You're dodging. How is what that guy said irrational? You can't answer, can you? 

As far as who cares, well yes; who cares if yet another company does this. Who cares; what's another stain on the already rotting face of the genre, right? A lot of people used to like the genre, it's a real shame it has to end like this. That's probably why people are angry.

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Judge the final product. And if you don't feel like wasting money to do so then read the feedback from other players.

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The product supposedly releases in a few weeks. Hate to break it to you pal; but this is it. This is the best they can do.

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Who cares about double speak and sidestepping. IF they deliver then good. If they don't then screw them. At this point it is all speculation. Hating on a product that hasn't been released yet is irrational no matter how you wish to spin it.

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WE ALREADY KNOW it doesn't deliver. What part of "BETA LEAKS" do you not understand? Your stance is about 8 weeks old; and if you don't want to stay informed than maybe you should consider not posting.

I'm not allowed to form an opinion on something until I've played it? Okay, I could have sworn earlier in this post you suggested that I wait for others opinions on the game before I buy! Can I judge a game by doing only research or not? Make up your mind.

There are certain things you don't need to try to judge, I can safely say that I hate Dark and Light without actually having played it; judging purely by the facts and the videos out there. This is another instance in which the game is undeniably garbage and undeniably flawed in many respects. If you don't know about any of this yet; I suggest you do more reading, and less posting.

Originally posted by namelessbob

I have been following Darkfall for a long time. I have seen people call it a myth, vaporware, if it does exist its in a guys dreams etc... Now that it is coming close to release and all these problems are coming to a rise after this insanely long production time and weird delays due to poor planning.

 

I just feel that for a game I have followed for the last 4 years I am kind of just not caring any more about it. Looking forward to next gen games and getting pumped for the coming releases and this one just doesn't seem to cut it as much as it would 2 or 3 years ago.

 

Am I way off base and need to get some more drugs to make me happy about it or are others feeling similarly?

I felt the same way.

Im still gonna pre order it. But all the "magic" is gone. Now its just a MMO reality. Nothing starange about ti at all (except beeing a uniq game of course).

Yeah even poking the rabid fanbois with a stick is no longer as amusing. I think this forum sort of peaked with the white border thread when the damned game did not release earlier this year. Though come 22nd things wil be lively again when another deadline is missed OR this damned thing launches and lets face it... someone will be on here dissing the dirty details.

But this is what happens when you cry wolf and miss deadline. No one cares after awhile. Heck that might be the biggest line of thought as to  why this game is NOT a scam. Aventurine need to get there acts togather !