Originally posted by Dethnoble

Originally posted by Ascension08

Seriously, don't. There are other games coming soon that offer a little less than Darkfall but will probably deliver all of it at a very acceptable level. Also, they have communication skills.

I'm looking at you Earthrise and Mortal Online.

The best thing to do with Darkfall is wait and see. Then again, do whatever you want. Just make sure you don't blame Aventurine if Darkfall doesn't meet your expectations (missing content is okay because every MMO does it! Looks like your expectations aren't very high ).

Missing content is a relative issue.  For an MMO, it'll always have missing content because it'll always be updating.  No MMO has had it's entirety at release, including WoW or LoTRO.  Heck, you could argue that LoTRO is missing most of it's content because it doesn't have areas like Mordor, Gondor or pretty much everything that people know about in the movies after (finally) Mines of Moria.

Since Darkfall, as far as we know, had half the budget LoTRO had and had to start from scratch with it's technology (LoTRO used the Turbine Engine) we should stop and ponder;  Why isn't people knocking down Turbine's door instead of Aventurine's?

(For everyone) Perspective and relativity is important here.  Plus, if you haven't played the game yet and base your comments on hearsay, rumors, whatever some conversation in another blog or post said then you're setting yourself up to look real stupid. 

Furthermore, not even two weeks ago, this game didn't even exist according to some people here.  Now that some of the actual leaks are showing the real targeted graphical level/gameplay, etc people are starting to narrow down their nitpicking/problems with the game.   What comes next in the narrowing down to try and find why you were right?

I agree with the "missing content" argument, but I hope you didn't mean that you'd let Aventurine slide if they didn't include all the promised features without telling the public if they had to cut any out for launch. I guess I got promised things about the game, which should be in that game, and, if not, the company should have the decency to tell people, confused with "missing content".

People aren't knocking down Turbine's door because it's a very good company that delivered a solid PvE game. Doesn't matter if their world is considered a bit small or not. Turbine has built a solid reputation as an honest company that always has quick, free updates. In your second paragraph, are you suggesting we cut Aventurine some slack? Why? They're playing with the big boys now. They need to learn.

The third paragraph makes me chuckle a bit, because of course you're right. Yet you say that the leaks make you want to pre-order. Isn't that just a teeny bit hypocritical, or is it just me?

I always disagreed with the vaportrolls. Of course they were working on something, so I never thought the game didn't exist. However, to think that they're "narrowing down their nitpicking/problems" is silly. There's nothing to narrow down - aside from the vaportroll argument, which was never really valid in the first place, they have all their ammo - plus more! These vids are revealing the true state of Darkfall, and I bet you for every person that is impressed, there are two who are not.

That applies to people looking at videos/leaks, mind you. Beta players are always a different story.

Originally posted by Paragus1

Originally posted by pprllo


I'm also talking about clearly flawed game mechanics, like Benny Hill style sprint, stamina based melee, total lack of CC for melee classes, useless blocks/parries, total lack of any real directional attacks (overhead-line and swing-cone just does not cut it), slow traveling magic missiles, extremely high spell fizzle rates, no spellcasting slowdown/interrupt chance on hit and many others ...

 

Why do we need AoC style directional attacks in a game with no auto targeting?   You don't need a directional attack, just hit the guy in the back or strafe to the side.  There are no classes, let alone conventional CC for any template, but if that's your thing, Warhammer has over 177 different crowd control abilities between both Order and Destro.   Slow moving magic missles and high fizzle rate?   You realize Mana Missile is the first and weakest spell in the game, and one of the few that doesn't require a reagent.   AS far as fizzles go, thje heavier the armor is, the higher the fizzle rate, as armored casting is a skill that reduces the fizzle rate with heavier armors.

If you are in the beta, it sounds to me like you based you entire opinion on playing the game for about 5 minutes, if your not in the beta, well I rest my case.

Originally posted by Ascension08

Originally posted by Dethnoble

Originally posted by Ascension08

Seriously, don't. There are other games coming soon that offer a little less than Darkfall but will probably deliver all of it at a very acceptable level. Also, they have communication skills.

I'm looking at you Earthrise and Mortal Online.

The best thing to do with Darkfall is wait and see. Then again, do whatever you want. Just make sure you don't blame Aventurine if Darkfall doesn't meet your expectations (missing content is okay because every MMO does it! Looks like your expectations aren't very high ).

Missing content is a relative issue.  For an MMO, it'll always have missing content because it'll always be updating.  No MMO has had it's entirety at release, including WoW or LoTRO.  Heck, you could argue that LoTRO is missing most of it's content because it doesn't have areas like Mordor, Gondor or pretty much everything that people know about in the movies after (finally) Mines of Moria.

Since Darkfall, as far as we know, had half the budget LoTRO had and had to start from scratch with it's technology (LoTRO used the Turbine Engine) we should stop and ponder;  Why isn't people knocking down Turbine's door instead of Aventurine's?

(For everyone) Perspective and relativity is important here.  Plus, if you haven't played the game yet and base your comments on hearsay, rumors, whatever some conversation in another blog or post said then you're setting yourself up to look real stupid. 

Furthermore, not even two weeks ago, this game didn't even exist according to some people here.  Now that some of the actual leaks are showing the real targeted graphical level/gameplay, etc people are starting to narrow down their nitpicking/problems with the game.   What comes next in the narrowing down to try and find why you were right?

I agree with the "missing content" argument, but I hope you didn't mean that you'd let Aventurine slide if they didn't include all the promised features without telling the public if they had to cut any out for launch. I guess I got promised things about the game, which should be in that game, and, if not, the company should have the decency to tell people, confused with "missing content".

Promised things? Every game I've seen that exists today has had promised features that eventually got cut, often without that company mentioning what or why, but still delivered a solid product.  The problem here is you think they owe you because they said the game would have these features but ultimately they cut them for whatever reason.  Plus, being a new MMO development company, of course they are going to cut alot of features they find out wouldn't work.

True, their PR isn't the greatest, but you also forget that most of their PR is focused around where they are releasing, not the US.

You fall back on the 'They owe me' type of lines to argue your points.  Like I tell the 'haters', they don't owe you anything.

People aren't knocking down Turbine's door because it's a very good company that delivered a solid PvE game. Doesn't matter if their world is considered a bit small or not. Turbine has built a solid reputation as an honest company that always has quick, free updates. In your second paragraph, are you suggesting we cut Aventurine some slack? Why? They're playing with the big boys now. They need to learn.

Research: AC: Throne of Destiny development, AC 2: Legions and cancellation.  I think you'll get a better picture of this 'honest and reputable' company who always delivers on free updates.

The third paragraph makes me chuckle a bit, because of course you're right. Yet you say that the leaks make you want to pre-order. Isn't that just a teeny bit hypocritical, or is it just me?

Sure, if you take it out of context.  My opinion of thinking the game is something I'd like based upon the gameplay I see, and thus me thinking I'll pre-order, has nothing to do with my comment of people making ignorant statements based upon some blog or forum post.

I always disagreed with the vaportrolls. Of course they were working on something, so I never thought the game didn't exist. However, to think that they're "narrowing down their nitpicking/problems" is silly. There's nothing to narrow down - aside from the vaportroll argument, which was never really valid in the first place, they have all their ammo - plus more! These vids are revealing the true state of Darkfall, and I bet you for every person that is impressed, there are two who are not.

When you go from saying the game doesn't exist, to the game has bad graphics (which IMHO doesn't), to trying to find little faults here and there 'animation', etc then it's narrowing down your nitpicking to new things. 

That applies to people looking at videos/leaks, mind you. Beta players are always a different story.

The leaks show me a game that is unfinished, but if delayed at least a couple of months could be something.  It seems many of the core features are highly unpolished;

Melee combat is still circle jerk / click fests, and many testers are calling for at least a simple mechanic similar to magic where strikes can be powered up.  

Archery combat seems to be ok atm.

Magic combat is severly underpowered, and suffers from a huge grindfest (both skills and material).

Damage values between the 3 still need extensive testing, and as a result the defensive aspects (shielding / parry ) suffer horribly.

Crafting is hopefully closer to where it should be I'm still waiting to hear some good news after the recent patch.

I haven't seen much about city building as it doesn't seem there is a large enough guild to build one yet.  From the noob review it seems to be ok atm.

Originally posted by pprllo

About mana missile, being a very basic spell, it should fizzle LESS, not MORE. And everyone saw videos of totally naked guys fizzling 3 mana missiles out of 5. That does not make any sense, even at 0 skill level.

What was he wearing?   What was his mana missle skill?  What was his lesser magic skill?   If he was wearing armor, what was his armored casting skill?    There are so many variables that get factored into casting a spell, that you can't possibly think because you saw a guy fizzle on a youtube video that you have any idea what you are talking about.

 I just got finished watching the four part walk through video on youtube and I gotta say, I'm a lot more optimistic about the game now. Does it look finished, no, but it doesn't look that far off from being finished. Who knows what features will be in or out, but what is presented in those videos looks pretty solid.

That said, no way in heck I'm gonna pre-order. AV still seems a bit fishy to me. I'll wait and see.

Originally posted by DrSpanky

 I just got finished watching the four part walk through video on youtube and I gotta say, I'm a lot more optimistic about the game now. Does it look finished, no, but it doesn't look that far off from being finished. Who knows what features will be in or out, but what is presented in those videos looks pretty solid.

That said, no way in heck I'm gonna pre-order. AV still seems a bit fishy to me. I'll wait and see.

hello, I am programmer, I must coment you that:

The latest 1% of developpment of any program takes the 99% of the time. 

Anyway what I see on the videos is like a Mount & Blade mod, and that could be a fun thing.

From looking at the leaked videos, i will say that the only thing that is still turning me off is the sound effects. What the hell is it when you jump. It sounds like your breaking every bone when you land. They must be fans of the old kung fu movies.

Originally posted by Paragus1

Originally posted by pprllo

About mana missile, being a very basic spell, it should fizzle LESS, not MORE. And everyone saw videos of totally naked guys fizzling 3 mana missiles out of 5. That does not make any sense, even at 0 skill level.

 

What was he wearing?   What was his mana missle skill?  What was his lesser magic skill?   If he was wearing armor, what was his armored casting skill?    There are so many variables that get factored into casting a spell, that you can't possibly think because you saw a guy fizzle on a youtube video that you have any idea what you are talking about.

Originally posted by argos5

Let's look at this with some objectivity. Even if PvP is awesome... and the world is massive... and the graphics are decent. You will need to pigeon-hole yourself into the few PvP centric areas in order to get that PvP fulfillment. Due mostly in part to the lack of gameplay structure that makes PvP more accessible... AoC, WoW, and WAR, try to do this with Battlegrounds or PvP zones. WoW needs that sort of pull to keep players from wandering around to find some PvP action and both AoC and WAR made their zone design fairly small to keep players from wandering away from eachother.

 

If you enjoy having to somehow run yourself like a man that craves attention or at least have a capable guild... while still needing to run yourself over the vast semi-empty world to the nearest active PvP action... sure, Darkfall will work for you. Not really accessible, but if you enjoy working hard (traveling a lot)... this is the game for you.

WoW WAR AoC are pve games and they need concentrated pvp becouse there core design is not pvp.

Darkfall core design is build are pvp from starter town to endgame its all about pvp main focus is pvp, luckely Darkfall have some more but can't say anything.

Darkfall will not fail for the hardcore pvp community it will be a nich game as it was always intended to be and build slowly on that to grow over years.

Game have alot of potential for every pvper who dont mind some risk with full loot.

World is so huge also alot to explore:)

Originally posted by musicmann

From looking at the leaked videos, i will say that the only thing that is still turning me off is the sound effects. What the hell is it when you jump. It sounds like your breaking every bone when you land. They must be fans of the old kung fu movies.

Yeah, the sound does have a lot to be desired.

And to Teiman, I am not a programmer, so if you are, then I'll take your word for it. Like I said...I'm waiting and seeing.

I will preorder.

And just to clarify some things

Its NOT a clickfest.

Its NOT an emty world.

And noone need to worry. I have a rare talent for knowning good shit when i see it. I watched beta videos from WoW, LOTRO, AoC, WAR and just went "mehh". But when i saw darkfall...i knew we had some good shit : )

So noone need to worry when i say so. Honestly. If you are loking for a sanbox PvP realtime MMO..there is no better.