Isn't "good design" and "adult MMO" an oxymoron?  No offense, but the whole concept of a sex MMO is moronic.  Go out there and talk to real people.

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Originally posted by Josher
Isn't "good design" and "adult MMO" an oxymoron?  No offense, but the whole concept of a sex MMO is moronic.  Go out there and talk to real people.

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Neocron is one of the best MMOs to date in my personal view and in between mutant hunting and large scale PvP there was one on one fights going on in backalleys in the red light district (Pepper Park) which was nothing short of a good night in amsterdam, people shooting up in the corner, strippers grinding poles, dirty suggestions for money and so forth.
So.
No.

I would love to see mmo's incorporate more sexuality in games.  With that said I don't think it would happen in the west until the mindset of americans change about sex.  Americans get upset with this subject in general (ewww sex is icky!), unlike the rest of the world.  It's so ass backwards, as one European pointed out earlier in the thread.   Blood n' guts in a game?  No problem.  But then everyone goes in an uproar about hot coffee.  This really only seems to be the case with games.  Sex in movies and T.V. isn't a problem. 

Sounds like a great place for men to dress up like women and dupe other men to believing they really ARE women....yea, no thanks!

Originally posted by spankybus

Sounds like a great place for men to dress up like women and dupe other men to believing they really ARE women....yea, no thanks!

Yea...it does sorta curdle the mood huh.  lol  So I do not think this kind of MMO would fly.    

Originally posted by Ravanos

So like the title states we all know there is adult MMORPGs out there but from what i hear their quality in other areas are less than spectacular.

So my question is if an Adult MMORPG had good gameplay and design choices (whether it be good PVP, questing, raiding, lore ... whatever you enjoy in an MMO)

would you play it?

Honestly, I would play a MMORPG with adult themes if the game play and design are good. Unfortunately, I don't think an adult game with good PvP, questing, raiding, lore, etc. can still be considered primarily an adult game.

3Feel is one of the adult MMORPGs and is starting international closed beta test later this month. Unfortunately, I don't think the title has any good game play or design outside of filling up gauges and options to plug in female toys for enhanced experience.

I think other posters have hit the nail on the head.  In-game sex + online game = very bad news.  That's not to say that games with adult elements are always bad.  I just think you need to stay away from any kind of in-game sex.

You can incorporate _some_ questionable adult elements into a game without outright ruining the community, but this is assuming they work in the world.  Adult elements do not work in many fantasy settings, but they do work in something like cyberpunk.  Neocron was a good example of this.  It was an unabashed cyberpunk game, and they're supposed to be gritty and brutally real.  An integral part of any cyberpunk theme is showcasing the willingness human beings sometimes have to exploit each other for profit.  So strip clubs are entirely in bounds for a cyberpunk game.  However, these things should be _passive fixtures_ of the world: things you can see to be part of the world which don't have actual gameplay based around them.  Whenever you actively incorporate any kind of sex-based gameplay, your game crosses a line that invariably poisons the community.  You end up with large swaths of the playerbase whose sole purpose is to get off there, and they will ignore the actual "game," if you even have one.

Look at Second Life.  Second Life doesn't even endorse sexual content.  It just takes a passive stance toward it.  Even this passive stance has proven to be too much.  Large sections of the game's economy cater solely to "adult entertainment" now, and some of that "adult entertainment" provides very questionable content.  The second problem is that it's very difficult to enforce rules regarding what's acceptable and what's not, once you endorse or even tolerate in-game sex.

I'll give you an example.  Lets look at WoW.  For a while, they were pretty neutral about players snoo-snoo'ing each other.  I think it's kinda pointless to cyber, but if two adults want to do it, fine.  I think that's more funny than anything else.

However, even in WoW, which is probably among the most sanitized games out there, sexually-speaking, this passivity led to some bad things.  You probably remember that controversy about an "adult" guild on a roleplay server.  What you may not know is the precise thing which led to this guild's downfall.  It was the penchant of their guild leader and his officers to engage in "age play".  Age play is when one of the adults pretend to be a different age (often a young child) while cybering.  Beyond that, he never even explicitly said that minors were not allowed in his guild, and at least one ended up in there.  That kid apparently didn't even lie about his age.  He was upfront about it, and they let him in.

So enforcement is a nightmare.  This story was news on a lot of tech blogs and tech sites, and it was just one guild out of thousands on WoW.  Imagine a game where there were hundreds or thousands of adult-oriented group.  How would you police them all?  How would you draw the line?  A laissez-faire attitude would assuredly lead to things that would give your game a very bad reputation, if not result in it being shut down outright.

The really bad thing is that there would be teens getting on ths game.   Then you have to worry about all the pervs that would be able to network and pass child porn and whatever else they want freely.   Second Life is full of adult entertainment and such and who knows what else and how far it really goes.   To me it is just taking adult entertainment to the wrong level and would probably only lead to even darker and seedier stuff.  

There was a news report recently about some kid that tricked his male school mates into sending him pics of themselves nekkid.  Then he blackmailed them and forced them to perform sex acts on him.     That is why an adult MMORPG would be bad in my opinion.

Plenty of games already have sexual suggestion, and that's good enough. We don't need another "adult" MMO like Conan.

Whatever one might think of such a game in theory, in practice making an "adult" MMORPG would almost certainly consist of adding in a bunch of gratuitious sex and violence.  The community such a game would attract would be an unmitigated disaster. 

Originally posted by Teala

 

There was a news report recently about some kid that tricked his male school mates into sending him pics of themselves nekkid.  Then he blackmailed them and forced them to perform sex acts on him.     That is why an adult MMORPG would be bad in my opinion.

I heard another newsreport about some dude who shot alot of other dudes and he had a copy of grand theft auto in his home, so lets ban video games altogether.

NO: Teala, you're doing the work of Jack Thompson here. I hope you can see that. The problem above, is not adult MMO, its a bad kid. The problem isn't the internet (over which I'm guessing the pictures were sent? ) Its a bad kid. Its also some stupid kids doing stupid things (Like sending naked pics to strangers). Finally, its scared kids being pressured into doing something they dont want to. All of the *real* problems above, are treatable. raise the bad kid properly. educate the stupid kids about the internet. parents, take an interest in what your kids are doing. Parents, earn the trust of your kids, so theyll come to you when they are in trouble (like being blackmailed).

No.

Originally posted by Ravanos

yes say take your favorite MMO qualities and add nudity, sex and other adult topics to it.

The community would be overrun by spotty pre-pubescents getting their rocks off about 5 minutes after launch by looking at virtual tits and scantily-clad pixels.

Then it would get worse.

So, no.

Interesting how easy people make the jump from the "adult" to "porn".

I wouldn't play a game that was centered around pornography and/or cybersex, but a game with more adult topics such as drugs, exploitation and crime .. I wouldn't rule it out.

It's not as though the concepts aren't already in games; they're just sanitised. Drug Dealers as Alchemists .. Serial Killers as PvPers .. Devil Worshippers as Warlocks .. Prostitutes as Night Elf Females.

Would I play an MMO that said "Go whack a guy and get back the coke he stole from me" rather than "Go find a guy and retrieve his pouch of herbs" .. ?

I think it'd be rather refreshing, actually.

A game like that will firstly be magnet for perferts secondly you will posible have virtual sex with avatar thats handled by another perfert behind his PC no thx.

You eather sexual frustrated or freak playing this kind of games and game prolly promote females as horny sex dolls who you can have sex whole day, degenerates freaks who play this.

Why not?

It would be tempting to me to be able to have an erotic encounter now and then within an mmo setting. But I'd prefer it to be an added feature rather than the main focus of the game. Say; the option to have sex with someone with the proper skills (hehe) and animations if there is mutual consent and only in certain secluded areas. Since sex is such a big thing in our human lives it would, in a way, be silly not to have the option in a true, open mmoRPG. But I doubt whether I would like to play a game which is only about sex and not much else.

 I would play Age of Conan if it were just a little better, and from my point of view Age of Conan is an adult MMO. It's also rated as one in where I live.

PS. I didn't read the whole topic before posting

Originally posted by Ilvaldyr

Interesting how easy people make the jump from the "adult" to "porn".

I wouldn't play a game that was centered around pornography and/or cybersex, but a game with more adult topics such as drugs, exploitation and crime .. I wouldn't rule it out.

It's not as though the concepts aren't already in games; they're just sanitised. Drug Dealers as Alchemists .. Serial Killers as PvPers .. Devil Worshippers as Warlocks .. Prostitutes as Night Elf Females.

Would I play an MMO that said "Go whack a guy and get back the coke he stole from me" rather than "Go find a guy and retrieve his pouch of herbs" .. ?

I think it'd be rather refreshing, actually.

Then you and me have a lot in common believe it or not.  I too, do not mind a true "adult" content driven MMORPG as long as it does not step across the boundry line into the realm of pornography.   You know if you and another player wish to do the dirty.   Well then the option should be there, but I think it would still need to be implied and not totally going all porno on us.   in other words, sorta like a movie.  The scene cuts away just before anything is actually performed or something to that nature.   I dunno...figure out a way to do cutscenes for such things in MMORPG's.  Like if you hire a prostitute or something...you'd get a stats boost, after the deed, but that could also put you in danger - if she is not clean.   And it wouldn't really show you and the other doing it...it would just imply that you did it...you know with a cutscene of something.  That I am fine with.

As for other things like drug use and killing of others when doing a crime...hey...I'm in.   You would really love my dream MMORPG.   Seriously...because drugs, crime and mayhem would be a part of it.

Originally posted by Ilvaldyr

Interesting how easy people make the jump from the "adult" to "porn".

I wouldn't play a game that was centered around pornography and/or cybersex, but a game with more adult topics such as drugs, exploitation and crime .. I wouldn't rule it out.

It's not as though the concepts aren't already in games; they're just sanitised. Drug Dealers as Alchemists .. Serial Killers as PvPers .. Devil Worshippers as Warlocks .. Prostitutes as Night Elf Females.

Would I play an MMO that said "Go whack a guy and get back the coke he stole from me" rather than "Go find a guy and retrieve his pouch of herbs" .. ?

I think it'd be rather refreshing, actually.

The main problem with something like this is most people cant, or wont, make this distinction.

We have had games with simliar mechanics but didnt promote itself as an adult game. Look at SWG pre-cu. Drug dealing...god yes, I made a killing selling Pixie. Taking assassination missions from your locale Bounty Hunter terminal....yep. Anyway, you get the point. Having those kind of things in worked well for the setting of the game. Theres the thing, the setting. If the setting fits such things, then it would seem to blend more into the gameplay and not be "OMG look, Boobies!" That was my biggest problem with AOC. Never played it, however, it just seemed like they put topless characters in just to advertise they put topless characters in.

and, on a side note, prostitutes as Night Elf Females made me lol.

If it was an adult mmorpg in that everyone playing is at least 18, then maybe I'm interested. If it is adult, meaning porn, then why not just go to second life or MSN?