Originally posted by Zayne3145

 glaring issues

like i said, totally out of proportion. the only glaring issue is how much you guys need spoonfeeding and handholding in order to feel safe.

Originally posted by Xyn99

Originally posted by toddze

Originally posted by APEist

 In 3 months, people will look back and say... "Remember how idiotic the mmorpg.com community was?  How wrong they were, all along?  How uncomparable Darkfall is to scams like Mourning and Dark and Light?"

"Remember how utterly convinced they were of their own flawed perceptions?"

I guess this could be attributed in part to Aventurine's lack of info release... but then, there are people who take the lack of info and just /shrug and go on with their lives (hopefully remaining skeptical... it's human nature after all), and then there are the people who take the lack of info and then take every opportunity they can to denounce something they know naught of.

One of those reactions is rational, one is not.

Here is another post, another reaction for you to get your high off of.  Enjoy it, defame it.  Have fun writing your arguments and belittlements.

I'll chuckle and wait for you to be dissapointed by the fact that not everyone hates DF come release.  In fact, most of the people who will hate DF at launch are the ones who already hate it, who already have their minds made up, even if they don't realize it.

PS.  This is in no way a defense of Tasos.  Tasos speaks bull quite often, but his faults don't correlate with Darkfalls.  Tasos isn't a unique character either.  We have seem him in other companies as well, throughout MMORPG history.

 

 

 

 

 

If your in beta great. The skeptics including myself will not be dissapointed if DF delivers on what is said about it. Its a win win for us. If were wrong about adventuine then big deal we get a great game to play. If were right we get to throw I told you so's out.

Very few people on these boards do not have anything bad to say about DF, 90% of the skeptisism is directed towards adventurine, and they are very much deserving of it. There are very little complaints about DF the game. You see a few posts about full loot but thats it. You fanboys need to learn that the skeptics (trolls) have no quarl with DF we love the idea of DF. However we seriously doubt adventurines ability to pull it off.  Thats a big differance

Like the others said if your not in beta, well then you need to look in the mirror as you are what your post is mocking, except on the fanboy side of things. (I personally think you fall in this category)

You see your post could easily be re-worded by a few words:

In 3 months, people will look back and say... "Remember how smart the mmorpg.com community was? How right they were, all along? How comparable Darkfall is to scams like Mourning and Dark and Light?"

"Remember how utterly convinced they were of reality?"

This is attributed in part to Aventurine's lack of info release... but then, there are people who take the lack of info and just blindly follow words of tasos (hopefully some remain skeptical... it's human nature after all(for some)), and then there are the people who take the lack of info and then take every opportunity they can to inform the community of something they see that is amiss.

One of those reactions is rational, one is not.

Here is another post, another reaction for you to get your high off of. Enjoy it, defame it. Have fun writing your arguments and belittlements.

I'll chuckle and wait for you to be dissapointed by the fact that everyone hates Adventurine come release. In fact, most of the people who will hate Adventurine at launch are the ones who love them now, who already have their minds made up, even if they don't realize it.

PS. This is in no way a defense of Tasos. Tasos speaks bull quite often, but his faults don't correlate with Darkfalls. Tasos isn't a unique character either. We have seem him in other companies as well, throughout MMORPG history.

well put.

Just want to add that there is nothing Smart about a community that judges a title before its released. DF is kept fairly well under wraps. It has some good beta testers who seem to mind the NDA, hint hint. Until the NDA is lifted these people cannot openly talk about the details, however, the general consensus is not bad. IF, hypotheically speaking DF was that bad, many would out right ignore the NDA and smere the game. Thats not really happening. I dont know how to make this any more clear.

The people who called DF vaporware because of what it was trying to achieve, are never going to be smart. The people who judge a game and already have an opinion on how good or bad it will be before they even play it, are never going to be smart. Even if they are right, they will never be smart, because theres nothing smart in making guesses and believing in them without actually seeing the facts and testing the product.

Originally posted by CyberWiz

It was clear for a good while that AoC would not get far, WAR on the other hand had and stll has potential. WAR is currently the second biggest premium mmorpg in the West and I only see them gaining subs if they continue to deliver as they are doing right now.

It is not. Guildwars is the second biggest premium MMO and the question is if WAR is even number 3, it is far beyond Eve on X-fire. True that that isn't a great measurement but it is a close call anyways.

WAR is suppose to had about 300K subs 31 dec (source: EA) and once it hits below 240K players it starts losing money (source: MJ). In that case it is not impossible that EA actually might kill off the game. The X-fire statistic of the game is still dropping so it is likely that the game still loses players.

But both WAR and AoC can turn it, Eve was very small once but slowly gained players to it's current level.

Still these games have nothing in common with Darkfall I don't see DF getting as big as them unless Avi got something up their slevee, what I seen of the game so far just isn't enough to pull so many players. WAR have the lore and a world that have millions of tabletop and pen and player RPG players, AoC have it's great graphics and a world that almost all fantasy fans knows.

i cant wait until the game launches in the 25th, then give or taqke a month, get the forumfallers out of here, these forums might actually be decent again.

/phone rings

wait what?

What you mean it might not launch the 25th.....

/vader voice "NOOOOOOOOOOoooooooooooooooooo!"

/hangs up phone

oh well, looks like it will be a bit longer.

Originally posted by javac

Originally posted by Zayne3145

 glaring issues

 

like i said, totally out of proportion. the only glaring issue is how much you guys need spoonfeeding and handholding in order to feel safe.

You do realise the whole "Lol Darkfall isn't for you carebear noobs" angle is getting old now? That attitude makes the DF fanbase come across as smug and arrogant. I've never seen such an elitist community for a game that hasn't even released yet.

Originally posted by Zayne3145

Originally posted by javac

Originally posted by Zayne3145

 glaring issues

 

like i said, totally out of proportion. the only glaring issue is how much you guys need spoonfeeding and handholding in order to feel safe.

 

You do realise the whole "Lol Darkfall isn't for you carebear noobs" angle is getting old now? That attitude makes the DF fanbase come across as smug and arrogant. I've never seen such an elitist community for a game that hasn't even released yet.

I agree with you on that. DF will have lots of pvp, but its not alienating to those who prefer to stay away from it. Yes there is a chance someone can kill you, but thats a risk you have to take. If "carebears" can accept that this game has risk and reward, then they can play it however they wish. Its open for all sorts of players as long as they can accept that someone of their own race, or another, might attack them. There is an alignment system in place so that you can tell who the evil players are via red name. Enemy races also are kind of a given.

are we still talking about forumfall here? my my.....

Originally posted by Zayne3145

Originally posted by javac

i love how clueless the skeptics are, the total and complete lack of reading comprehension and taking of statements grossly out of context and proportion.

 

I love how the fanboys gloss over all the glaring issues with this game and pretend that it's all going to be fine. Ignorance is bliss, as they say.

I was waiting for someone to use that phrase.

You get +10 points to predictability, my friend

Originally posted by Zayne3145

Originally posted by javac

Originally posted by Zayne3145

 glaring issues

 

like i said, totally out of proportion. the only glaring issue is how much you guys need spoonfeeding and handholding in order to feel safe.

 

You do realise the whole "Lol Darkfall isn't for you carebear noobs" angle is getting old now? That attitude makes the DF fanbase come across as smug and arrogant. I've never seen such an elitist community for a game that hasn't even released yet.

This is done with any game that is hyped AoC, WAR, and now Darkfall. There is nothing new here.

I don't see Darkfall doing any better than the other two. it's all hype. Some will be sucked in thinking that this game is going to be better than any other, Ground breaking, Makeing history. and other will take it for what it is, Hype. and then you get the people who bash Everything.

My opinion is wait till the game comes out before talking about it, because the bottom line is No one realy knows crap about what they are talking about till it hits the public. There are people in betas who will hype up the game, but lets face it. the beta players are  the fanboys who worked very hard to get into it. What else do you expect them to say. Opinions are like ass holes, Everyone has one.

Originally posted by Snob

Originally posted by APEist

Originally posted by Zayne3145

Originally posted by javac

i love how clueless the skeptics are, the total and complete lack of reading comprehension and taking of statements grossly out of context and proportion.

 

I love how the fanboys gloss over all the glaring issues with this game and pretend that it's all going to be fine. Ignorance is bliss, as they say.

 

I was waiting for someone to use that phrase.

 

You get +10 points to predictability, my friend

Can you link us some non scripted vids of these mass 200v200 pvp battles or better still can you link us some vids of these epic sieges that tasos has been going on about.MAke sure they are actul vids of beta tester not a dev scripted vid.

Can you tell us why their is only 2k people in beta yet the servers are meant to hold 10k?

We are waiting

 

You are waiting, aren't you?  

Well, I'm not.  And I'm not very sympathetic, either.

Originally posted by Snob

Originally posted by APEist

Originally posted by Zayne3145

Originally posted by javac

i love how clueless the skeptics are, the total and complete lack of reading comprehension and taking of statements grossly out of context and proportion.

 

I love how the fanboys gloss over all the glaring issues with this game and pretend that it's all going to be fine. Ignorance is bliss, as they say.

 

I was waiting for someone to use that phrase.

 

You get +10 points to predictability, my friend

Can you link us some non scripted vids of these mass 200v200 pvp battles or better still can you link us some vids of these epic sieges that tasos has been going on about.MAke sure they are actul vids of beta tester not a dev scripted vid.

Can you tell us why their is only 2k people in beta yet the servers are meant to hold 10k?

We are waiting

 

How do you know there hasn't been hug 200 vs 200 person pvp battles?

how do you know there are only 2k peope in beta?

you seem to be making alot of assumptions based on no data.

beware, leaks can contain data that is old or false.

Originally posted by Zayne3145

Originally posted by javac

Originally posted by Zayne3145

 glaring issues

 

like i said, totally out of proportion. the only glaring issue is how much you guys need spoonfeeding and handholding in order to feel safe.

 

You do realise the whole "Lol Darkfall isn't for you carebear noobs" angle is getting old now? That attitude makes the DF fanbase come across as smug and arrogant. I've never seen such an elitist community for a game that hasn't even released yet.

Very true, many of them aren't even playing a decent PVP MMO right now because there's nothing "good enough"  Will be interesting to see how they fare once they have to play a real game.

Originally posted by Zayne3145

Originally posted by javac

Originally posted by Zayne3145

 glaring issues

 

like i said, totally out of proportion. the only glaring issue is how much you guys need spoonfeeding and handholding in order to feel safe.

 

You do realise the whole "Lol Darkfall isn't for you carebear noobs" angle is getting old now? That attitude makes the DF fanbase come across as smug and arrogant. I've never seen such an elitist community for a game that hasn't even released yet.

Evidently you didn't realise my comment had zero to do with PVP attitudes and everything to do with you guys having incredibly poor judgement & rationale; amusingly, your reply is a case in point. the spoonfeeding comment relates to how the less well educated seem to require vacuous, high budget PR hype in order to feel comfortable with a game's prospects.

Originally posted by APEist

Originally posted by Snob

Originally posted by APEist

Originally posted by Zayne3145

Originally posted by javac

i love how clueless the skeptics are, the total and complete lack of reading comprehension and taking of statements grossly out of context and proportion.

 

I love how the fanboys gloss over all the glaring issues with this game and pretend that it's all going to be fine. Ignorance is bliss, as they say.

 

I was waiting for someone to use that phrase.

 

You get +10 points to predictability, my friend

Can you link us some non scripted vids of these mass 200v200 pvp battles or better still can you link us some vids of these epic sieges that tasos has been going on about.MAke sure they are actul vids of beta tester not a dev scripted vid.

Can you tell us why their is only 2k people in beta yet the servers are meant to hold 10k?

We are waiting

 

 

You are waiting, aren't you?  

Well, I'm not.  And I'm not very sympathetic, either.

Avoiding the question i see

you fail/

Originally posted by APEist

 Hehehe, good replies people, good replies.

I made this thread for these replies, so thank you.  Now I can bump this when release comes.

There is a rule against necroing old threads. Just sayin...

 These forums are absolutely... FREE

Free as in freedom. Users post what they want here mr OP. Ive seen posts praising and damning darkfall, and thats the beauty of mmorpg.com, its moderated fairly by allowing its users to post their opinions on whatever they feel like without fear of overzeous moderating.

If you feel that posts have been overly negitive then you can blame that on how the games been managed.

Originally posted by APEist

 In 3 months, people will look back and say... "Remember how idiotic the mmorpg.com community was?  How wrong they were, all along?  How uncomparable Vanguard is to scams like Mourning and Dark and Light?"

"Remember how utterly convinced they were of their own flawed perceptions?"

I guess this could be attributed in part to Sigil's lack of info release... but then, there are people who take the lack of info and just /shrug and go on with their lives (hopefully remaining skeptical... it's human nature after all), and then there are the people who take the lack of info and then take every opportunity they can to denounce something they know naught of.

One of those reactions is rational, one is not.

Here is another post, another reaction for you to get your high off of.  Enjoy it, defame it.  Have fun writing your arguments and belittlements.

I'll chuckle and wait for you to be dissapointed by the fact that not everyone hates VG come release.  In fact, most of the people who will hate VG at launch are the ones who already hate it, who already have their minds made up, even if they don't realize it, even if they stoutly deny it.

PS.  This is in no way a defense of Brad.  Brad speaks bull quite often, but his faults don't correlate with Vanguard's.  Brad isn't a unique character either.  We have seem him in various incarnations from other companies as well, throughout MMORPG history.

I knew this post sounded familiar and now I know why. Same song and dance, different game. For Aventurine's sake, they'd better hope their launch goes better to prevent a similar outcome.

Let's be honest here-- Tasos has made a lot of promises over the years, and has boasted quite a bit about Darkfall, just like Brad did about VG. It's now 19 days from the current DF release date, and there is still no open beta, an active NDA still in place, no information on pre-orders, no indication the game's gone gold, nothing.

Sure, there are some beta leaks out there, but without an outside media source looking in, they're ultimately worthless. There were a lot of positive leaks about Vanguard too. People swore up and down that the game would be TEH BESTEST EVAR OMG and that the "haters" were all wrong to be cynical, or about the state of the game at the time, but the problems VG had at launch were legion. It's been two years and while it's improved and stabilized with new content for players, Vanguard will never recover from its failed launch and will never be what it could have been with a better developer at the helm.

I'd like to see Darkfall do well for no other reason than I'm all in favor of more choices for gamers, and IMO there should be a viable game built around FFA PvP with full loot. Even if I never play it and have no interest in it, there are those who want it, and I'd like to see it happen. However, it's very easy to look at events and still be skeptical of Aventurine. I don't think they're going to be the developer to bring that viable FFA PvP game to the market. I don't think they're up to the task at hand because they haven't inspired any confidence that they can really do what Tasos has been bragging about for the last 8+ years.

Maybe I'll be wrong, but I'm not going to hold my breath.

Originally posted by HYPERI0N

Originally posted by APEist

Originally posted by Snob

Originally posted by APEist

Originally posted by Zayne3145

Originally posted by javac

i love how clueless the skeptics are, the total and complete lack of reading comprehension and taking of statements grossly out of context and proportion.

 

I love how the fanboys gloss over all the glaring issues with this game and pretend that it's all going to be fine. Ignorance is bliss, as they say.

 

I was waiting for someone to use that phrase.

 

You get +10 points to predictability, my friend

Can you link us some non scripted vids of these mass 200v200 pvp battles or better still can you link us some vids of these epic sieges that tasos has been going on about.MAke sure they are actul vids of beta tester not a dev scripted vid.

Can you tell us why their is only 2k people in beta yet the servers are meant to hold 10k?

We are waiting

 

 

You are waiting, aren't you?  

Well, I'm not.  And I'm not very sympathetic, either.

 

Avoiding the question i see

you fail/

Yea, hehe, I sorta have to.

Originally posted by APEist

I don't think the Darkfall flamers/haters will be playing.  

Rest assured, if Darkfall releases and is a good game every serious MMORPG'er will give it a try.  Word-of-mouth will sell a good game far and wide to people who, up-to-now, have never even heard of Darkfall.

My question to you is, will you play DF if it sucks?  How many fans who so desparately want DF to succeed will be willing to put up with an inferior game?  And even pay a monthly fee to play it, just on principle alone?

Originally posted by jonyak

Originally posted by Snob

Originally posted by APEist

Originally posted by Zayne3145

Originally posted by javac

i love how clueless the skeptics are, the total and complete lack of reading comprehension and taking of statements grossly out of context and proportion.

 

I love how the fanboys gloss over all the glaring issues with this game and pretend that it's all going to be fine. Ignorance is bliss, as they say.

 

I was waiting for someone to use that phrase.

 

You get +10 points to predictability, my friend

Can you link us some non scripted vids of these mass 200v200 pvp battles or better still can you link us some vids of these epic sieges that tasos has been going on about.MAke sure they are actul vids of beta tester not a dev scripted vid.

Can you tell us why their is only 2k people in beta yet the servers are meant to hold 10k?

We are waiting

 

 

How do you know there hasn't been hug 200 vs 200 person pvp battles?

Tasos own words, been rehashed t death already.

 

how do you know there are only 2k peope in beta?

TheNoob, for one. Oh, unless you want to admit that Gianna is an unreliable and bias source who would lie for her buddy Tasos in a heartbeat.

you seem to be making alot of assumptions based on no data.

Data is there, you're the one making ass-umptions.

beware, leaks can contain data that is old or false.

So can statements from the games devs, so what's the difference?