In 3 months, people will look back and say... "Remember how idiotic the mmorpg.com community was?  How wrong they were, all along?  How uncomparable Darkfall is to scams like Mourning and Dark and Light?"

"Remember how utterly convinced they were of their own flawed perceptions?"

I guess this could be attributed in part to Aventurine's lack of info release... but then, there are people who take the lack of info and just /shrug and go on with their lives (hopefully remaining skeptical... it's human nature after all), and then there are the people who take the lack of info and then take every opportunity they can to denounce something they know naught of.

One of those reactions is rational, one is not.

Here is another post, another reaction for you to get your high off of.  Enjoy it, defame it.  Have fun writing your arguments and belittlements.

I'll chuckle and wait for you to be dissapointed by the fact that not everyone hates DF come release.  In fact, most of the people who will hate DF at launch are the ones who already hate it, who already have their minds made up, even if they don't realize it, even if they stoutly deny it.

PS.  This is in no way a defense of Tasos.  Tasos speaks bull quite often, but his faults don't correlate with Darkfalls.  Tasos isn't a unique character either.  We have seem him in various incarnations from other companies as well, throughout MMORPG history.

It's seems there are two possiblities.

1. The original poster is in the Beta of Darkfall.

2. The original poster is posting about that which he knows naught, the very thing the he complains others are doing.

I vote for possibility number 2.

Originally posted by APEist

 In 3 months, people will look back and say... "Remember how idiotic the mmorpg.com community was?  How wrong they were, all along?  How uncomparable Darkfall is to scams like Mourning and Dark and Light?"

"Remember how utterly convinced they were of their own flawed perceptions?"

Problem is, the nay-sayers have been right since the initial beta date back in 2003 was missed. The only response Aventurine has to the nay-sayers has been to make increasingly shrill claims about the game.

Originally posted by APEist

 In 3 months, people will look back and say... "Remember how idiotic the mmorpg.com community was?  How wrong they were, all along?  How uncomparable Darkfall is to scams like Mourning and Dark and Light?"

"Remember how utterly convinced they were of their own flawed perceptions?"

I guess this could be attributed in part to Aventurine's lack of info release... but then, there are people who take the lack of info and just /shrug and go on with their lives (hopefully remaining skeptical... it's human nature after all), and then there are the people who take the lack of info and then take every opportunity they can to denounce something they know naught of.

One of those reactions is rational, one is not.

Here is another post, another reaction for you to get your high off of.  Enjoy it, defame it.  Have fun writing your arguments and belittlements.

I'll chuckle and wait for you to be dissapointed by the fact that not everyone hates DF come release.  In fact, most of the people who will hate DF at launch are the ones who already hate it, who already have their minds made up, even if they don't realize it.

PS.  This is in no way a defense of Tasos.  Tasos speaks bull quite often, but his faults don't correlate with Darkfalls.  Tasos isn't a unique character either.  We have seem him in other companies as well, throughout MMORPG history.

 

 

 

 

You do realize that Tasos is one of the Devs making DarkFall... right?  Just checking. 
 

Same mumbo jumbo was said for WAR and AoC and look at them now, chances are they will not make it to 2010. Darkfall will have the same fate WITHOUT a doubt! A few things DF has going against it, Bad Community, Bad NICHE PvP System and most of all Bad economy!

Ah, another of the tunnel visioned darkfall following...how original.

What's ridiculous about this thread is how one-sided, and so not skeptical at all his post is to begin with.  Clearly it is in favor of.  Oh and for the record, it's not human nature to be skeptical, as true skepticism takes practice of active observation and corrective analysis based upon emperical data.  This is a learned skill.  What you might be confusing skepticism with is cynicism.  Though similar on the outer surface as it tends to attack something from a standpoint of negation, cynicism posits its standpoint from a prejudgement of negation without taking into account any data whatsoever.  Thought I'd clarify that for the OP.

Originally posted by APEist

 In 3 months, people will look back and say... "Remember how idiotic the mmorpg.com community was?  How wrong they were, all along?  How uncomparable Darkfall is to scams like Mourning and Dark and Light?"

PS.  This is in no way a defense of Tasos.  Tasos speaks bull quite often, but his faults don't correlate with Darkfalls.  Tasos isn't a unique character either.  We have seem him in other companies as well, throughout MMORPG history.

 

Ya Ya... move along, FANBOIS.  We heard the same arguments about Vanguard, POTBS, Fury, Hellgate:London, Tabla Rasa, AoC, Warhammer... on and on you fanbois bring the hype only for us to watch you disappear into nothingness when your game disappoints the masses.  Most of us here that you like to call trolls are realist.  We are just waiting for you to wake up and smell the coffee.  Supposed that time will come around the 25th.  We'll have to see....

And oh... please, the Tasos you speak of in other companies in MMORPG history, please... bless us with your wisdom because of the smartest of your very own fanbois have failed to prove to us just one title where Tasos is actually credited with working on.

Originally posted by APEist

 In 3 months, people will look back and say... "Remember how idiotic the mmorpg.com community was?  How wrong they were, all along?  How uncomparable Darkfall is to scams like Mourning and Dark and Light?"  - I have almost no fear of your scenario happening. Far more likely is that DF will make those other two games look good in comparison.  I expect to be saying, "I told you so"

"Remember how utterly convinced they were of their own flawed perceptions?" - Or, how utterly convinced we were based on the available facts and parallels to past gaming failures?

I guess this could be attributed in part to Aventurine's lack of info release... (you think?) but then, there are people who take the lack of info and just /shrug and go on with their lives (hopefully remaining skeptical... it's human nature after all), (because they want to believe) and then there are the people who take the lack of info and then take every opportunity they can to denounce something they know naught of. - "past performance is frequently a good indicator of the future"

One of those reactions is rational, one is not. - "but I think we'd disagree on which was which"

Here is another post, another reaction for you to get your high off of.  Enjoy it, defame it.  Have fun writing your arguments and belittlements. - Oh don't worry, we will.

I'll chuckle and wait for you to be dissapointed by the fact that not everyone hates DF come release. (but they sure will afterwards)  In fact, most of the people who will hate DF at launch are the ones who already hate it, who already have their minds made up, even if they don't realize it. - well of course, not making much of a point here

PS.  This is in no way a defense of Tasos.  Tasos speaks bull quite often, but his faults don't correlate with Darkfalls.  Tasos isn't a unique character either.  We have seem him in other companies as well, throughout MMORPG history.  - You bet, Brad McQuaid/Failguard, Knutte whatever/AOC, Richard Garriot/TR.  Those games were all great successes right?  Well, compared to DF, they're going to shine.

Actually, I don't hate DF, hell, I'll probably pre-order having more money than common sense.

But I do hate trolling fanbois who come into our forums talking smack they can't back up.

This thread is absolutely ridiculous.

Unless you're in the beta you can't say these things for sure.  I'm not a troll or a hater of DF.  In fact, I'm probably one of the people pulling for the game's success the most.  However, I don't see the point in starting a thread to predict that the game will rule all others and tell the people that don't believe how foolish they look.  Everyone is entitled to their opinion.  If the people have been made cynical thanks to past failures, then so be it.  You can't expect everyone to be so optimistic when experience has taught them otherwise.  I can understand people being skeptical or even anti-Darkfall.  They are like that because of experiences they have had and the ones that scream bloody murder about the game actually have good intentions, whether they realize it or not - to warn others so they don't fall into the same traps they did with some other title.  From what I've read (of leaks), the game is shaping up decently well.  I'm still not convinced that it will release this month but I have high hopes.  If it doesn't, then so be it.  I do have to agree that these forums are ridiculous, though.  I suppose there's no point in fighting it.  The naysayers will continue to flame the game based off the little information available and the DF-hopefuls will continue to sing its praise based off the little information available that makes DF out to be the messiah of gaming.  Only time can tell.  Those of you who decide to start bragging now and singing your I-told-you-so's only make yourselves look that much more ignorant to the community and serve no purpose in effectively recruiting or warding off players from the game.

One funny thing I have noticed is when talking to a friend in beta that says he loves Darkfall and I ask him why.

"Well...ummm...its the freedom...yeah free to do anything."

What are you free to do?

" Err ummm....well...I get to kill someone that makes me mad"

Is that it?

"Yeah thats it gotta love the freedom"

Ok.....I may need to get a new friend this one worries me now.

Originally posted by Shannia

Originally posted by APEist

 In 3 months, people will look back and say... "Remember how idiotic the mmorpg.com community was?  How wrong they were, all along?  How uncomparable Darkfall is to scams like Mourning and Dark and Light?"

PS.  This is in no way a defense of Tasos.  Tasos speaks bull quite often, but his faults don't correlate with Darkfalls.  Tasos isn't a unique character either.  We have seem him in other companies as well, throughout MMORPG history.

 

 

Ya Ya... move along, FANBOIS.  We heard the same arguments about Vanguard, POTBS, Fury, Hellgate:London, Tabla Rasa, AoC, Warhammer... on and on you fanbois bring the hype only for us to watch you disappear into nothingness when your game disappoints the masses.  Most of us here that you like to call trolls are realist.  We are just waiting for you to wake up and smell the coffee.  Supposed that time will come around the 25th.  We'll have to see....

And oh... please, the Tasos you speak of in other companies in MMORPG history, please... bless us with your wisdom because of the smartest of your very own fanbois have failed to prove to us just one title where Tasos is actually credited with working on.

 

Congradulations, your  side is winning.
 

And we havent had a game worth a shit come out in years.

Im not sure i want to be on the winning side of this one.

Oh well, maybe its back to EQ for me. I will remain on the side of those who are just sick of what this genre has turned into and put back on my rosy glasses of days gone by.

Originally posted by safwd

Originally posted by Shannia

Originally posted by APEist

 In 3 months, people will look back and say... "Remember how idiotic the mmorpg.com community was?  How wrong they were, all along?  How uncomparable Darkfall is to scams like Mourning and Dark and Light?"

PS.  This is in no way a defense of Tasos.  Tasos speaks bull quite often, but his faults don't correlate with Darkfalls.  Tasos isn't a unique character either.  We have seem him in other companies as well, throughout MMORPG history.

 

 

Ya Ya... move along, FANBOIS.  We heard the same arguments about Vanguard, POTBS, Fury, Hellgate:London, Tabla Rasa, AoC, Warhammer... on and on you fanbois bring the hype only for us to watch you disappear into nothingness when your game disappoints the masses.  Most of us here that you like to call trolls are realist.  We are just waiting for you to wake up and smell the coffee.  Supposed that time will come around the 25th.  We'll have to see....

And oh... please, the Tasos you speak of in other companies in MMORPG history, please... bless us with your wisdom because of the smartest of your very own fanbois have failed to prove to us just one title where Tasos is actually credited with working on.

 

Congradulations, your  side is winning.
 

And we havent had a game worth a shit come out in years.

Im not sure i want to be on the winning side of this one.

Oh well, maybe its back to EQ for me. I will remain on the side of those who are just sick of what this genre has turned into and put back on my rosy glasses of days gone by.

Dont misunderstand we are more pissed than anything at this point because many started out wanting to believe in this game, begging to believe in it and now ...crap on a stick.  Well maybe it will attract enough jerks from other games for a while so that at least those communities will improve.

The fanboys of today will be the trolls of tomorrow...you guys are just too new to Darkfall to aprpeciate the shite that's been spewing from aventurine and Tasos for years.  It will eventually seep in, and in a few years you'll have some new wide eyed hopeless optimists tellign you Darkfall is the greatest thing since sliced bread...and the cycle will live on.

Go Go fanboi,

I need ppl like u to buy, spend on subs , test...crib...get bugs fixed..if the game's good....we buy...and play....if not...we wait for better games...we read forums..we wait......

I was really enthu abt war, AoC...but thanks to ppl like u..i saved my munny....thank you.

Why do people believe these fanbois? we all know the game will suck like everyother mmorpg, I mean just look at the graphics and the art style to see that how poor the production values are which then in turn tells you about how many bugs and little content there will be.

Originally posted by APEist

 In 3 months, people will look back and say... "Remember how idiotic the mmorpg.com community was?  How wrong they were, all along?  How uncomparable Darkfall is to scams like Mourning and Dark and Light?"

"Remember how utterly convinced they were of their own flawed perceptions?"

I guess this could be attributed in part to Aventurine's lack of info release... but then, there are people who take the lack of info and just /shrug and go on with their lives (hopefully remaining skeptical... it's human nature after all), and then there are the people who take the lack of info and then take every opportunity they can to denounce something they know naught of.

One of those reactions is rational, one is not.

Here is another post, another reaction for you to get your high off of.  Enjoy it, defame it.  Have fun writing your arguments and belittlements.

I'll chuckle and wait for you to be dissapointed by the fact that not everyone hates DF come release.  In fact, most of the people who will hate DF at launch are the ones who already hate it, who already have their minds made up, even if they don't realize it.

PS.  This is in no way a defense of Tasos.  Tasos speaks bull quite often, but his faults don't correlate with Darkfalls.  Tasos isn't a unique character either.  We have seem him in other companies as well, throughout MMORPG history.

 

 

 

 

If your in beta great. The skeptics including myself will not be dissapointed if DF delivers on what is said about it. Its a win win for us. If were wrong about adventuine then big deal we get a great game to play. If were right we get to throw I told you so's out.

Very few people on these boards do not have anything bad to say about DF, 90% of the skeptisism is directed towards adventurine, and they are very much deserving of it. There are very little complaints about DF the game. You see a few posts about full loot but thats it. You fanboys need to learn that the skeptics (trolls) have no quarl with DF we love the idea of DF. However we seriously doubt adventurines ability to pull it off.  Thats a big differance

Like the others said if your not in beta, well then you need to look in the mirror as you are what your post is mocking, except on the fanboy side of things. (I personally think you fall in this category)

You see your post could easily be re-worded by a few words:

In 3 months, people will look back and say... "Remember how smart the mmorpg.com community was? How right they were, all along? How comparable Darkfall is to scams like Mourning and Dark and Light?"

"Remember how utterly convinced they were of reality?"

This is attributed in part to Aventurine's lack of info release... but then, there are people who take the lack of info and just blindly follow words of tasos (hopefully some remain skeptical... it's human nature after all(for some)), and then there are the people who take the lack of info and then take every opportunity they can to inform the community of something they see that is amiss.

One of those reactions is rational, one is not.

Here is another post, another reaction for you to get your high off of. Enjoy it, defame it. Have fun writing your arguments and belittlements.

I'll chuckle and wait for you to be dissapointed by the fact that everyone hates Adventurine come release. In fact, most of the people who will hate Adventurine at launch are the ones who love them now, who already have their minds made up, even if they don't realize it.

PS. This is in no way a defense of Tasos. Tasos speaks bull quite often, but his faults don't correlate with Darkfalls. Tasos isn't a unique character either. We have seem him in other companies as well, throughout MMORPG history.

 Hehehe, good replies people, good replies.

I made this thread for these replies, so thank you.  Now I can bump this when release comes.

Why is everyone so hung up on the graphics of the game?  The games I played for the longest periods of time were 2D.  Graphics don't make the game.  Community and gameplay do.  A sandbox game, no matter how lame it may look -cough UO/Tibia cough- can still be enjoyed for years due to the gameplay features and community driven experience.  I'm the kind of person that doesn't get hung up on graphics when the gameplay is good enough.  If the gameplay isn't good enough then I start to pick it apart, including graphics.  If I see a game thats the same as every other and doesn't look as good, I won't even try it.  However, when I see a game such as Darkfall that is trying to bring back some freedom and break away from the mundane MMORPGs of today, I tend to give it a pass on graphics and focus more on what the gameplay and community have to offer.  Now if Darkfall really does fail, hopefully Mortal Online won't.  Then we get the best of both worlds .  All I'm saying is give it a rest.  Also take into consideration that not all graphics features are controllable at the moment and that things like walking animations can be adjusted by an animator on the team in a matter of hours, seriously.