Trending Games | EverQuest Next | World of Warcraft | Final Fantasy XV | Guild Wars 2

  Network:  FPSguru RTSguru
Login:  Password:   Remember?  
Show Quick Gamelist Jump to Random Game
Members:2,920,840 Users Online:0
Games:760  Posts:6,312,830
Recent forum postsRSS
Active threads
Cloud view
List all forums
General Forums
Developers Corner General Discussion
Popular Game Forums
Click a status to find game forum
Game Forums
Click a letter to find game forum
A-C
2029 Online 2112: Revolution 2Moons 4Story 8BitMMO 9 Dragons A Mystical Land A Tale in the Desert III A3 ACE Online ARGO Online Aberoth Absolute Force Online Absolute Terror Achaea Adellion Aerrevan Aetolia, the Midnight Age Age of Armor Age of Conan Age of Empires Online Age of Mourning Age of Wulin Age of Wushu Aida Arenas Aika Aion Albion Online Alganon All Points Bulletin (APB) Allods Online Altis Gates Amazing World Anarchy Online Ancients of Fasaria Andromeda 5 Angels Online Angry Birds Epic Anime Ninja Anime Pirates Anime Trumps Anmynor Anno Online Applo Arcane Hearts Arcane Legends ArchLord ArcheAge Archeblade Archlord X Ascend: Hand of Kul Asda 2 Asda Story Ashen Empires Asheron's Call Asheron's Call 2 Astera Online Astonia III Astro Empires Astro Lords: Oort CLoud Asura Force Atlantica Online Atriarch Aura Kingdom Aurora Blade Auto Assault Avatar Star Battle Dawn Battle Dawn Galaxies Battle for Graxia Battle of 3 Kingdoms Battle of the Immortals Battlecruiser Online Battlestar Galactica Online Battlestar Reloaded Beyond Protocol Black Aftermath Black Desert Black Gold Black Prophecy Black Prophecy Tactics: Nexus Conflict Blacklight Retribution Blade & Soul Blade Hunter Blade Wars Blazing Throne Bless Blitz 1941 Blood and Jade Bloodlines Champions Boot Hill Heroes Borderlands 2 Borderlands: The Pre-Sequel Bound by Flame Bounty Bay Online Brain Storm Bravada Bravely Default Bravely Second Brawl Busters. Brick-Force Bright Shadow Bullet Run Business Tycoon Online CTRacer Cabal Online Caesary Call of Camelot Call of Gods Call of Thrones Camelot Unchained Canaan Online Cardmon Hero Cartoon Universe CasinoRPG Cast & Conquer Castle Empire Castlot Celtic Heroes Champions Online Champions of Regnum Chaos Online Child of Light Chrono Tales Citadel of Sorcery CitiesXL Citizen Zero City of Decay City of Heroes City of Steam City of Transformers City of Villains Civilization Online Clan Lord Clash of Clans Cloud Nine Club Penguin Colony of War Command & Conquer: Tiberium Alliances Company of Heroes Online Conquer Online Conquer Online 3 Continent of the Ninth (C9) Core Blaze Core Exiles Corum Online Craft of Gods Crimecraft Crimelife 2 Cronous Crota II Crusaders of Solaris Cultures Online Cyber Monster 2 Cyberpunk 2077 Céiron Wars
D-F
D&D Online DC Universe DK Online DOTA DOTA 2 DUST 514 DV8: Exile Dalethaan Dance Groove Online Dark Age of Camelot Dark Ages Dark Legends Dark Orbit Dark Relic: Prelude Dark Solstice Dark Souls 2 Dark and Light DarkEden Online DarkSpace Darkblood Online Darkest Dungeon Darkfall Darkfall: Unholy Wars Darkwind: War on Wheels Das Tal Dawn of Fantasy Dawntide DayZ Dead Earth Dead Frontier Dead Island Dead Island 2 Dead Island: Riptide Deco Online Deep Down Deepworld Defiance Deicide Online Dekaron Demons at the Horizon Desert Operations Destiny Diablo 3 Diamonin Digimon Battle Dino Storm Disciple Divergence Divina Divine Souls Divinity: Original Sin Dofus Dominus Online Dragon Age: Inquisition Dragon Ball Online Dragon Born Online Dragon Crusade Dragon Empires Dragon Eternity Dragon Fin Soup Dragon Nest Dragon Oath Dragon Pals Dragon Raja Dragon's Call Dragon's Call II Dragon's Prophet DragonSky DragonSoul Dragona Dragonica Dragons and Titans Drakengard 3 Dream of Mirror Online Dreamland Online Dreamlords: The Reawakening Drift City Duels Dungeon Blitz Dungeon Fighter Online Dungeon Overlord Dungeon Party Dungeon Rampage Dungeon Runners Dungeon of the Endless Dynastica Dynasty Warriors Online Dynasty of the Magi EIN (Epicus Incognitus) EVE Online Earth Eternal Earth and Beyond Earthrise Eclipse War Ecol Tactics Online Eden Eternal Edge of Space Einherjar - The Viking's Blood Elder Scrolls Online Eldevin Elf Online Elite: Dangerous Embers of Caerus Emil Chronicle Online Empire Empire & State Empire Craft Empire Universe 3 EmpireQuest Empires of Galldon End of Nations Endless Ages Endless Blue Moon Online Endless Online Entropia Universe EpicDuel Erebus: Travia Reborn Eredan Eternal Blade Eternal Lands Eternal Saga Ether Fields Ether Saga Online Eudemons Online EuroGangster EverEmber Online EverQuest Next EverQuest Online Adventures Evernight Everquest Everquest II Evony Exarch Exorace F.E.A.R. Online Face of Mankind Fairyland Online Fall of Rome Fallen Earth Fallen Sword Fallout 4 Fallout Online Family Guy Online Fantage Fantasy Earth Zero Fantasy Realm Online Fantasy Tales Online Fantasy Worlds: Rhynn Faunasphere Faxion Online Fearless Fantasy Ferentus Ferion Fiesta Online Final Fantasy Type-0 HD Final Fantasy XI Final Fantasy XIV Final Fantasy XIV: A Realm Reborn Firefall Fists of Fu Florensia Flyff Football Manager Live Football Superstars Force of Arms Forge Forsaken Uprising Forsaken World Fortnite Fortuna Forum for Discussion of Everlight Freaky Creatures Free Realms Freesky Online Freeworld Fung Wan Online Furcadia Fury Fusion Fall
G-L
GalaXseeds Galactic Command Online Game of Thrones: Seven Kingdoms Gameglobe Gate To Heavens Gates of Andaron Gatheryn Gauntlet Gekkeiju Online Ghost Online Ghost Recon Online Gladiatus Glitch Global Agenda Global Soccer Gloria Victis Glory of Gods GoGoRacer Goal Line Blitz Gods and Heroes GodsWar Online Golemizer Golf Star GoonZu Online Graal Kingdoms Granado Espada Online Grand Chase Grand Fantasia Grepolis Grimlands Guild Wars Guild Wars 2 Guild Wars Factions Guild Wars Nightfall H1Z1 Habbo Hotel Hailan Rising HaloSphere2 Haven & Hearth Hawken Heart Forth Alicia Hearthstone: Heroes of Warcraft Helbreath Hellgate Hellgate: London Hello Kitty Online Hero Online Hero Zero Hero's Journey Hero: 108 Online HeroSmash Heroes & Generals Heroes & Legends: Conquerors of Kolhar Heroes in the Sky Heroes of Atlan Heroes of Bestia Heroes of Gaia Heroes of Might and Magic Online Heroes of Thessalonica Heroes of Three Kingdoms Heroes of the Storm Hex Holic Online Hostile Space Hunter Blade Huxley Icewind Dale: Enhanced Edition Illutia Illyriad Immortals USA Imperator Imperian Inferno Legend Infestation: Survivor Stories Infinite Crisis Infinity Infinity Iris Online Iron Grip: Marauders Irth Worlds Island Forge Islands of War Istaria: Chronicles of the Gifted Jade Dynasty Jagged Alliance Online Juggernaut Jumpgate Jumpgate Evolution KAL Online Kakele Online Kaos War Karos Online Kartuga Kicks Online King of Kings 3 Kingdom Heroes Kingdom Under Fire II Kingdom of Drakkar Kingory Kings Era Kings and Legends Kings of the Realm KingsRoad Kitsu Saga Kiwarriors Knight Age Knight Online Knights of Dream City Kothuria Kung Foo! Kunlun Online Kyn L.A.W. LEGO Universe La Tale Land of Chaos Online Landmark Lands of Hope: Redemption LastChaos League of Angels League of Legends - Clash of Fates Legend of Edda: Vengeance Legend of Golden Plume Legend of Grimrock 2 Legend of Katha Legend of Mir 2 Legend of Mir 3 Legendary Champions Lego Minifigures Online Lichdom: Battlemage Life is Feudal Light of Nova Lime Odyssey Line of Defense Lineage Lineage Eternal: Twilight Resistance Lineage II Linkrealms Loong Online Lord of the Rings Online Lords Online Lords of the Fallen Lost Saga Lucent Heart Lunia Lusternia: Age of Ascension Luvinia World
M-Q
MU Online Mabinogi Maestia: Rise of Keledus MagiKnights Magic Barrage Magic World Online Manga Fighter MapleStory Martial Heroes Marvel Heroes Marvel Super Hero Squad Online Marvel: Avengers Alliance Mass Effect 4 MechWarrior Online Megaten Meridian 59 : Evolution Merlin MetalMercs Metaplace Metin 2 MicroVolts Middle-earth: Shadow of Mordor Midkemia Online Might & Magic Heroes: Kingdoms Might & Magic X: Legacy MilMo Minecraft Mini Fighter Minions of Mirth Ministry of War Monato Esprit Monkey King Online Monkey Quest Monster & Me Monster Madness Online MonsterMMORPG Moonlight Online: Tales of Eternal Blood Moonrise Mordavia Mortal Online Mourning My Lands Myst Online: URU Live Myth Angels Online Myth War Myth War 2 Mythborne Mytheon Mythic Saga Mythos N.E.O Online NIDA Online Nadirim Naviage: The Power of Capital Navy Field Need for Speed World Nemexia Neo's Land NeoSteam Neocron Nether Neverwinter Nexus: The Kingdom Of The Winds NinjaTrick NosTale Novus Aeterno Oberin Odin Quest Odyssey RPG Ogre Island Omerta 3 Online Boxing Manager Onverse Oort Online Order & Chaos Online Order of Magic Original Blood Origins Return Origins of Malu Orion's Belt Otherland Forums OverSoul Overkings Overwatch Oz Online Oz World Pandora Saga Pantheon: Rise of the Fallen Panzar Parabellum Parallel Kingdom Parfait Station Path of Exile Pathfinder Online Perfect World Perpetuum Online Persona V Phantasy Star Online 2 Phantasy Star Universe Phoenix Dynasty Online Phylon Pi Story Picaroon Pillars of Eternity Pirate Galaxy Pirate Storm Pirate101 PirateKing Online Pirates of the Burning Sea Pirates of the Caribbean Online Pixie Hollow Planeshift Planet Arkadia Planet Calypso PlanetSide 2 Planetside Planets³ Playboy Manager Pocket Legends Pockie Ninja Pockie Pirates Pockie Saints Pokémon X and Y PoxNora Prime World Prime: Battle for Dominus Priston Tale Priston Tale II Prius Online Prodigy Project Blackout Project Gorgon Project Powder Project Titan Forums Project Wiki Project Zomboid Puzzle Pirates Quest for Infamy Quickhit Football
R-S
R2 Online RAN Online RF Online ROSE Online Rage of 3 Kingdoms Ragnarok Online Ragnarok Online II RaiderZ Rail Nation Rakion Rappelz RappelzSEA Ravenmarch Realm Fighter Realm of Sierra Realm of the Mad God Realm of the Titans Realms Online Rebel Galaxy Reclamation Red Stone Red War: Edem's Curse Regnum Online Remnant Knights Renaissance Repulse Requiem: Memento Mori Rift RiotZone Rise Rise of Dragonian Era Rise of Empire Rise of the Tycoon Risen 3: Titan Lords Rising of King Risk Your Life Rivality Rockfree Rohan: Blood Feud Role Play Worlds Roll n Rock Roma Victor Romadoria Rosh Online Roto X Rubies of Eventide Ruin Online Rumble Fighter Runes of Magic Runescape Rust Rusty Hearts Ryzom S4 League SAGA SD Gundam Capsule Fighter Online SMITE SUN Sacred 3 Sagramore Salem SaySayGirls Scarlet Blade Scions of Fate Seal Online: Evolution Second Chance Heroes Second Life Secret of the Solstice Seed Serenia Fantasy Seven Seas Saga Seven Souls Online Sevencore Shadow Realms Shadow of Legend Shadowbane Shadowgate Shadowrun Online Shaiya Shards Online Shattered Galaxy Sho Online Shot Online Shroud of the Avatar SideQuest Siege on Stars Sigonyth: Desert Eternity Silkroad Online Skyblade Skyforge SmashMuck Champions Smoo Online Soldier Front Soul Master Soul Order Online Soul of Guardian South Park: The Stick of Truth Space Heroes Universe Sparta: War of Empires Spellcasters Sphere Spiral Knights Spirit Tales Splash Fighters Squad Wars Star Citizen Star Conflict Star Sonata 2 Star Stable Star Supremacy Star Trek Online Star Trek: Infinite Space Star Wars Galaxies Star Wars: Clone Wars Adventures Star Wars: The Old Republic StarQuest Online Starbound Stargate Worlds Starlight Story Starpires State of Decay SteelWar Online Stone Age 2 Stormfall: Age of War Stormthrone Storybricks Stronghold Kingdoms Styx: Master of Shadows Sudden Attack Supremacy 1914 Supreme Destiny Sword Girls Sword of Destiny: Rise of Aions SwordX Swords of Heavens Swordsman
T-Z
TERA TS Online TUG Tabula Rasa Tactica Online Tales Runner Tales of Fantasy Tales of Pirates Tales of Pirates II Tales of Solaris Talisman Online Tamer Saga Tank Ace Tantra Online Tatsumaki: Land at War Terra Militaris TerraWorld Online Terraria Thang Online The 4th Coming The Agency The Aurora World The Banner Saga The Black Watchmen The Chronicle The Chronicles of Spellborn The Crew The Division The Epic Might The Hammers End The Incredible Adventures of Van Helsing The Incredible Adventures of Van Helsing 2 The Legend of Ares The Lost Titans The Matrix Online The Mighty Quest for Epic Loot The Missing Ink The Mummy Online The Myth of Soma The Pride of Taern The Realm Online The Repopulation The Secret World The Sims Online The Strategems The West The Witcher 3: Wild Hunt Theralon There Therian Saga Thrones of Chaos Tibia Tibia Micro Edition Tiger Knight Titan Siege Titans of Time Toontown Online Top Speed Topia Online Torchlight Torment: Tides of Numenera Total Domination Transformers Universe Transistor Transverse Traveller AR Travia Online Travian Triad Wars Trials of Ascension Tribal Hero Tribal Wars Tribes Universe Trickster Online Trove Troy Online True Fantasy Live Online Turf Battles Twelve Sky Twelve Sky 2 Twilight War Tynon U.B. Funkeys UFO Online URDEAD Online Ultima Forever: Quest for the Avatar Ultima Online Ultima X: Odyssey Ultimate Naruto Ultimate Soccer Boss Uncharted Waters Online Undercover 2: Merc Wars Underlight Unification Wars Universe Online Utopia Valkyrie Sky Vampire Lord Online Vanguard: Saga of Heroes Vanquish Space Vector City Racers Vendetta Online Victory - Age of Racing Vindictus Virtonomics Vis Gladius Visions of Zosimos VoidExpanse Voyage Century Online W.E.L.L. Online WAR (Warhammer Online) WAR2 Glory WYD Global Wakfu War Thunder War of 2012 War of Angels War of Legends War of Mercenaries War of Thrones War of the Immortals WarFlow Waren Story Warflare Wargame1942 Warhammer 40,000: Eternal Crusade Warhammer 40K: Dark Millennium Online Warhammer Online: Wrath of Heroes Warkeepers Warrior Epic Wartune Wasteland 2 WebLords Wild West Online WildStar Wind of Luck WindSlayer 2 Wings of Destiny Wish Wizard101 Wizardry Online Wizards and Champions Wonder King Wonderland Online World Golf Tour World of Battles World of Darkness World of Heroes World of Kung Fu World of Pirates World of Speed World of Tanks World of Tanks Generals World of Warcraft World of Warplanes World of Warriors World of Warships World of the Living Dead WorldAlpha Wurm Online Xenoblade Chronicles: X Xenocell Xiah Xsyon Xulu YS Online Yitien ZU Online Zentia Zero Online Zero Online: The Andromeda Crisis Zodiac Online Zombies Ate My Pizza eRepublik

MMORPG.com Discussion Forums

General Discussion

General Discussion 

News & Features Discussion  » Warhammer Online : Age of Reckoning: More Layoffs, Response and Analysis

7 Pages « 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 » Search
122 posts found
  remyburke

Advanced Member

Joined: 7/03/04
Posts: 3053

I liked MMOs better when gamers didn't play them, and just geeks did.

2/07/09 2:55:17 PM#101

A rushed product = poor financial returns and consumer retention.

Huh....what a novel concept. Well, in there defense, this has never happened to an MMO before. How were they to know?

/sarcasm off 

MMORPG.com member: 10th Year Anniversary. Where has the time gone...?


Played: AA, AC1, AC2, Aion, AO, AoC, CO, CoX, DAoC, DCUO, DN, EVE, EQ1, EQ2,
ESO, FE, FFXI, FFXIV, FF, GW1, GW2, Istaria, L2, LoTRO, MO, MxO, NW, Rift, RoE,
Ryzom, SB, SWG, SWTOR, TERA, TSW, WAR, WoW, WURM...

  daltanious

Elite Member

Joined: 4/19/08
Posts: 1939

2/07/09 3:40:08 PM#102
Originally posted by Onecrazyguy

Sure if you like spending your life warping from stargate to stargate.

EVE is different and in its own way fun, but at the end of the day you can say the same about it that you can about WoW... you grind missions for cash to buy a bigger ship to grind for cash faster to buy a bigger ship, etc.

The thing I've noticed about the social aspects of the various games are that EVE seems to have the most friendly and helpful people, heck they even have an entire guild dedicated to teaching people how to play, take noobs into 0.0 space etc. Pretty cool. WoW's community, while certainly active, is MUCH less helpful and very rude/condescending and SO often filled with just random crap from people whose IQ is lower than their age. WAR, while much less "chatty" seemed a bit more mature to me (never see people spamming "anal XXXXXX" just to be morons for example).

WoW has been successful because it opened the door to the masses. Gone are the days where people can screw up their characters from poor choices of stats etc, we now have markers over quest givers heads etc. This was a good move on Blizzard's part but it has the side effect of pulling in people that are less serious about the game and therefore more immature. Games like WAR and EVE are more difficult to learn and play, and therefore less accessible, and I believe that over time, that's the reason you see those types of games have less players but more that are there to play and understand the game and not name their characters "Irpwnzdu".

 

Was about to write about Eve ... boring since first minute ... But, hey, if you enjoy it, play it. If there will be enough subscribers, game will continue to exist, evolve, ... or will die. Like the worst game I have ever played, TR. Actually ... the only game where I have used only few days of free play (out of 30) before permanently quit.

But about grinding fest and Wow .... i really do not understand what are you people complaining about. Does War do not have "kill 25 wolves" quests? Same Lotro, same Aoc, EQ, .... Nearly ALL quests are of this type. Well, I agree however that sometimes drop rates are terrible at wow, but never is boring.

Also in Lotro, Aoc, ... etc ... no need to search in bags ... you just click objects ... all is automatic. In Wow (ok, sometimes also in War) you must i.e. click object ... then find object in bags and read it while spirit is summoned. Or jump in water as instructed by goodess before she smashes you (which will happen if you have not read what she is saying). Many times have to read very carefuly. In other games no problem at all. Just click. Done.

Of course im speaking about newer games, games that are NOW in, not about pacman, despite was great at time. :-)  Have played many games in my life (now im 45) and wow has most original and inventive quests. But also has (to my knowledge) primate in number of quests .... so it is more difficult to be inovative in all. I was never ever(!) in need to grind in Wow to progress and have leveled all possible classes.

Btw ... War is not at all more difficult to learn or play then wow. It is actually very easy ... all is marked on map. Like in Aoc. The only game (newer again) that do not have true addons and must actually read carefully quest text and explore a lot (or consult www pages :-)) ... is maybe Lotro. But which has poor mechanics and other problems.

About spamming, language, .... etc in wow. How many you said have War subscribers? 250.000, 300.000? Aoc? Well ... wow have "something" more ... so is more probable to encounter unmature persons. But in 2 years I had to put on ignore list only 1. Also is rated 12+ (not that i believe less kids are playing 18+ games ... lol).

  Wycliffe

Novice Member

Joined: 8/24/08
Posts: 362

I am Death, the destroyer of worlds

2/07/09 6:46:28 PM#103

After reading through half a dozen pages of this thread... wow, just wow. Look, WAR didn't have the best but you were perfectly able to preorder, play in OB, and cancel your preorder if you disliked the game. I played for a few months, was happy enough at first, got bored, and quit. Weighing the entertainment value against the monetary cost, it was a good deal. Better than 90% of single player console games that I buy. If you don't like the game, thats fine, but a lot of the trolls are come off as bored, bitter assholes who are just hating on the product for absurd reasons because you are completely unable to enjoy any of the many MMO products currently on the market and need to piss on someone elses parade so you can have that brief, fleeting moment of satisfaction in your otherwise miserable existence.

As for the doomsayers: EA Tiberion is reporting layoffs. Y'know, the dev. who makes EAs cashcow Madden franchise. Mythics get far more hurt from all of this, but their product did underperform by 200k subs or so. Still, you know times are tough when the dev of the game that prints money is not being spared.

  Jenneroflok

Apprentice Member

Joined: 9/17/05
Posts: 126

2/08/09 6:00:22 AM#104
Originally posted by Warcriminal

yes -a lot of people left after det initial rush and now we are left with the people who really love the game and RVR-mechanics

no surprise for me here. Sad to see people fired, and I hope they get new jobs soon. In my oppinion they did a great job on WO.

 

I see a bright future for this one. WO has become better and bigger with every patch they introduce

 

 

 

 

I fully Agree!  I get tired people yelling it is the end of the game.  They remind me of homeless beggers in big cities yelling "repent the world is going to end!: and forcing their views in your face.

url=http://www.enjin.com][/url]

  Nhoj1983

Novice Member

Joined: 9/12/08
Posts: 184

2/08/09 7:03:23 AM#105

I'm not worried in the least about the loss of numbers.  I didn't even realize there was so much negativity till I stumbled on this post.  Very few players in the game are anything but happy with it.  It does what it does very well namely rvr.  It never was supposed to be anything else.  The idea really is to level though the game by rvr.  They stumbled the first couple of months with that because there plainly wasn't reason enough to open rvr.  This new expansion which I'm REALLY looking forward to(far from the meh comment) pushes this even further with rvr dungions and two classes that needed representing. 

Everyone has they're own taste and I've found pvp to be a rare favorite mechanic in mmo players.  Most will wish for it to be there for distraction but it's only something to the side till they get back to the "real game".   Even within those players that do like pvp there are are those who like to be the one man army and not deal with having to work with other players.  WAR tries very hard to discourage this sort of play... basically your very likely to die if you try.  So you've narrowed the field even further. 

On the converse though I've found others who hate pvp love rvr.  It's painless and far more interactive and changing than most other games.  It's a far different way of thought than the average mmo.  This is something you have to think about.  This isn't killing for killing's sake it's trying to take the other side's lands and you can in this game.  It's not a look alike it's unique.  In this game there are 40 pve levels and 80 rvr levels.  That should tell you something about the priorities of this game.  A player who's reached level 40 is only something like a quarter(or less) there. 

I would recommend this game but I'd ask that person "do you find the idea of the majority of the game being about rvr a good thing?" I'm unapologetic about the pve mechanics.  I like them.  They in and of themselves add somthing a bit new to the genre but it's not the focus here.  War is.  The players who haven't left aren't crying and saying how bad the game is they're smiling as they add another ork head to they're collection.  The game isn't going to die, it may grow even but that's beside the point  I'm happy with things as they are.  Not that things arn't going to keep changing for the better.  They definitley have in the last few months.

  Jupp

Apprentice Member

Joined: 1/21/08
Posts: 66

"It is a mistake to bow to the wishes of munchkins who whine." - E. Gary Gygax

2/09/09 7:43:41 AM#106

Thanks for the well written article. A nice read and most probably correct in its assumptions. Just too bad that most folks in the thread here did not even care to read it and just jumped into here to cry havoc and doom.

Nice feature from Mr. Wood, standard abysmal MMORPG forum post quality (with a very few exceptions like from  Infalible, aesperus, etc.)

And I am still chuckling at those that say that the game will not survive another year...with 300k subscribers...

There are at least a dozen other MMOs out there that would sell their soul to get up to those (payed) subscription numbers.

***************************
Remember, remember the 5th of November
***************************

  Loke666

Elite Member

Joined: 10/29/07
Posts: 16843

2/09/09 8:02:58 AM#107
Originally posted by Wycliffe

After reading through half a dozen pages of this thread... wow, just wow. Look, WAR didn't have the best but you were perfectly able to preorder, play in OB, and cancel your preorder if you disliked the game. I played for a few months, was happy enough at first, got bored, and quit. Weighing the entertainment value against the monetary cost, it was a good deal. Better than 90% of single player console games that I buy. If you don't like the game, thats fine, but a lot of the trolls are come off as bored, bitter assholes who are just hating on the product for absurd reasons because you are completely unable to enjoy any of the many MMO products currently on the market and need to piss on someone elses parade so you can have that brief, fleeting moment of satisfaction in your otherwise miserable existence.

As for the doomsayers: EA Tiberion is reporting layoffs. Y'know, the dev. who makes EAs cashcow Madden franchise. Mythics get far more hurt from all of this, but their product did underperform by 200k subs or so. Still, you know times are tough when the dev of the game that prints money is not being spared.

 

You are right, the problem here is that EA is having big financial problems and are losing a lot of money. But it is really bad for Mythic anyways, EA will take every extra penny and might keep on firing people if it continue to do bad. If EA falls Mythic will be dragged down with them. If EA had good economy they would not cut down Mythic staff as long as the game is making money.

In worse case scenario EA will be a smaller company that only keeps Fifa, Guitarr hero and the Sims (probably Bioware too, Dragon age should sell good), that would screw many games,

  Maelkor

Novice Member

Joined: 8/20/05
Posts: 462

2/09/09 10:43:22 PM#108

Hmm a total failure...world is going to end blah blah blah.

 

The game has 300k+ subs and 200 to 300 employees working on it. Doesnt sound like the game is failing to me. It might not be a huge success compared to WoW but then again nothing is.

 

I am still playing it and enjoying it and will continue to do so for the near future.

 

Last but not least in order for the game to completely go down and everyone to flee there has to be something else for everyone to go to. There is nothing else at the moment and nothing I can see in the next year that I am excited in. No game is perfect and no game ever will be perfect. Its really just about do you get enjoyment from playing or not. If you dont then obviously its time to find something different. If you do then your probably not on the boards writing about it.

  Azophael

Novice Member

Joined: 12/11/07
Posts: 4

2/10/09 12:35:02 PM#109

Though we are resizing the team to move from a pre-launch to a post-launch size

 

Hmm, where did I hear that before? Yes, right, Tabula Rasa, a few months before it died.

I really did like that game and I do like WAR, so I don't hope that it will die, it shouldn't (just like TR shouldn't have, I'd rather have seen Lineage 1+2 go away, since I absolutely don't like that kind of game), still, i will be prepared for the worst, as I am always.

  Devros

Novice Member

Joined: 10/16/07
Posts: 79

2/10/09 1:10:42 PM#110

Whatever happens, I really think Jon Wood, even though you write many fantastic articles, you have really fueled the rumour fires with your 2 cents on this one. Sure you can have an opinion but don't underestimate the power of yours. Sometimes it is good to just report the news objectively instead of trying to fuel forum posts. The same forum fire result would have happened without the insinuation yes, but regardless, it does seem more plausible coming from you.

 

Dev

www.TXcomics.com "Your daily webcomics broadcast"

  LinaInversa

Novice Member

Joined: 12/15/07
Posts: 68

2/10/09 1:26:53 PM#111

Good, I hope EA and Mythic goes down the tube. I bought my copy on ebay for $5...does that tell you anything? 

  Horkathane

Novice Member

Joined: 7/07/06
Posts: 393

Bringing the Pain Train from FPS to MMO''s. WOO! WOO!
-Bioware #1 TOR FTW!

2/10/09 3:42:14 PM#112

I went back to Galaxies, the game is still adding. I feel bad for WAR it seemed to Linear.

  Xiara

Novice Member

Joined: 9/07/07
Posts: 22

2/10/09 8:31:04 PM#113

Lol, you guys are narrow minded if you think WAR is failing or closing down. Losing 450k subscribers is alot, but did ya notice that they stated many of the subscribers were still in their 30 day trial when they released the 750k number? Name one MMO that hasnt lost a ton of subs after 3-4 months, gurantee you WoW lost alot as well, shit they lost nearly 750k when WAR came out, OMG WoW is gonna fail!!!????!! On a serious note ....I can name a few big ones off the top of my head....EQ2, SWG, Shadowbane, shall I continue?

EQ2 has a strong player base, and recovered at the end of the 1st year. SWG did the same. They were all huge hyped games and failed to deliver, therefore lost subs. The bugs were "fixed", and content was added...and wouldnt you know people came back? Same will happen with WAR.

300K subs is plenty of subs to be succesful right now, and profitable. Example...there are cell phone carriers such as Helio who had less than 200k subscribers and still made a profit, and they were a startup company....any idea how much more money it costs to run that? Leasing the towers alone for Helio was more expensive than the money EA put into WAR...let alone the minimal costs of operating it.

WAR is fine, it will be around for a long time and will continue to stabilize as the issues are fixed. Gurantee WAR is back to 750k subs by end of year. The game is great, regardless of what the haters say. It has its issues like every other new MMO.

~Xiara D'Aarmon

  W.A.R

Apprentice Member

Joined: 1/24/06
Posts: 20

2/11/09 12:15:45 AM#114

Just thought I'd share some number I russled up in my head just now quickly. They should prove insightful to anyone who hasn't considered them.

 

Lets just assume that the sub is 10 USD per month (I thin I pay 8 GBP per month so I think that that is a slightly  conserative esitmate)

300k subscribers at 10 USD per month = 3 million USD per month = 36 million USD per year in subscription revenue.

300 employees on a wage of 50,000 USD per  year = 15 million USD per year.

50,000 USD per year is just a guess as to the average wage.

This implies that even if WAR only keeps 300k subscribers it will STILL be making a profit of 21 million USD per year.

It should be safe ;) break even point for ongoing costs at the 300 staff headcount level would be somewhere around 150k subscriptions. (Of course it needs to do better than breakeven for ongoing costs in order to recoup the sunk costs of development, but it will still operate as long as its not losing more money).

 

So.... start worrying about announced plans and intentions only if subscription numbers hit 150K. If that happens they'll likely just half the headcount to 150 be able to stay profitable at anything over  75k subscriptions.

Layoffs are no surpirse - the business' aim is to MAXIMISE profits.

Now someone please do me WOW's numbers and we can all weep ;)

 

 

 

 

 

  Kilgore

Novice Member

Joined: 4/05/04
Posts: 7

2/11/09 12:39:38 AM#115
Originally posted by W.A.R

Just thought I'd share some number I russled up in my head just now quickly. They should prove insightful to anyone who hasn't considered them.

 

Lets just assume that the sub is 10 USD per month (I thin I pay 8 GBP per month so I think that that is a slightly  conserative esitmate)

300k subscribers at 10 USD per month = 3 million USD per month = 36 million USD per year in subscription revenue.

300 employees on a wage of 50,000 USD per  year = 15 million USD per year.

50,000 USD per year is just a guess as to the average wage.

This implies that even if WAR only keeps 300k subscribers it will STILL be making a profit of 21 million USD per year.

It should be safe ;) break even point for ongoing costs at the 300 staff headcount level would be somewhere around 150k subscriptions. (Of course it needs to do better than breakeven for ongoing costs in order to recoup the sunk costs of development, but it will still operate as long as its not losing more money).

 

So.... start worrying about announced plans and intentions only if subscription numbers hit 150K. If that happens they'll likely just half the headcount to 150 be able to stay profitable at anything over  75k subscriptions.

Layoffs are no surpirse - the business' aim is to MAXIMISE profits.

Now someone please do me WOW's numbers and we can all weep ;)

 

I would put the average salary with benefits between $75,000-$100,000. Plus you have to add the costs for their data center (hardware, bandwidth etc..). Then there is business costs, such as; workspace lease, equipment, furniture etc...

I suspect they are not nearly as profitable as you think, especially if  they do have 300 staff.

 

  W.A.R

Apprentice Member

Joined: 1/24/06
Posts: 20

2/11/09 9:37:06 AM#116

Thanks for the comments Kilgore. You are probably right.

In which case at $100k per employee , and allowing $6 million per year for overheads the project is about breaking even. No wonder 100 jobs had to go ;)

Seen a few posts mentioning the development costs. As these are sunk they are pretty irrelevant regarding how much longer we'll see the game around for.

  W.A.R

Apprentice Member

Joined: 1/24/06
Posts: 20

2/11/09 9:41:32 AM#117

.

  W.A.R

Apprentice Member

Joined: 1/24/06
Posts: 20

2/11/09 9:45:24 AM#118
Originally posted by Loke666
Originally posted by Grunch

Whats strange is WAR is a lot more fun then most mmos out right now especially WOW. I think a lot of people get turned off by WAR after they get their butts handed to them in pvp. They start crying about balance and bugs and lack of "war" but when I play there is ALWAYS something going on. The only downfall I see to it is by having only 2 realms there is a higher chance of one team being overpopulated.

 

No, I don't think people quit because they suck in PvP. Well some maybe but just a few.

The reason I don't play it is that I don't like what they did to my favorite pen and paper RPG game, they cut out all the dark horror of it, took away the backstabbing and corruption of the empire...

I would love to be able to walk Middenheims streets, to take a boat up the river Reik, to spend an evning in Brettonia with duels and drinking but this game just don't give me the same rush as the pen and paper game. I guess it is not bad for what it is but it could have been so much more.

But I think the main reason many quited was that it is still to close to Wow, and they already have a high level char or more there.

Mythic should have kept the original system of Warhammer and not made it level based. Being close to Wow isn't good, Wow already have it's fans and WAR would have been better if it was closer to the fantastic RPG and tabletop games.

So you wanted the old Warhammer Online game being developed in 2003? More sand-box and RPG-ish. Exploring, trading, career-based 'open' PVP. Perma deaths for slayers haha.

  tvalentine

Novice Member

Joined: 4/01/06
Posts: 4234

“The things you own end up owning you.” -Tyler Durden

2/11/09 10:50:30 AM#119
Originally posted by todeswulf
Originally posted by m3ta

"recession" is being a nice excuse for many people, but i don't see it in Blizzard or CCP.

WAR has failed. Bugs aren't fixed, RVR is crap, the downfall is inevitable and obvious.

 


 

Mr. Hawking......

Blizzard has laid off Twice, In June 08 and in August 08....they are scehduled  to lay off again in April. Google it.

CCP has ran a skeleton crew since launch, they also currently have 3/4 of WARs subscribers.  Grab a clue before you speak.


 

LOL. This post made me laugh. If CCP is running a skeleton crew then how are they releasing around 2 expansions every year? And how are they releasing their BIGGEST expansion just next month with a "skeleton crew"? Also they mentioned in the alliance tourny that they have gone from around 20-40 employees(at the start of the company) to 130+ employees and have expanded internationally, opening studios in Atlanta, GA and Shanghai, china.

And from what i have found through searching, blizzard has only laid off 53 employees related to activision-blizzard itself. They have laid off 100 people from a seperate area of the company called "radical entertainment", this part of the company is only reponsible for "Scarface"

Playing: EVE Online
Favorite MMOs: WoW, SWG Pre-cu, Lineage 2, UO, EQ, EVE online
Looking forward to: Archeage, Kingdom Under Fire 2
KUF2's Official Website - http://www.kufii.com/ENG/ -

  greymann

Novice Member

Joined: 4/04/06
Posts: 775

2/11/09 2:28:31 PM#120

Die WAR!  Die!  I wanna hear you "gasp, sputter, bluhhhhhhhh..."!  Make all my predictions come true because you delivered so under the expectations bar, you crapped on a cool IP, and mainly... you made me go back to wow you bastards!

7 Pages « 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 » Search