Cool stroy, well written but your base argument don't fly:

"One door in particular seems to be attracting a large crowd. Evidently, the plaque on this door claims to open a world like no other; with truly unique sights and adventures"

That will be plastered on ALL the doors in the hallway.
-Some windows will have a computer animated CGI script showing the "fantastic world behind the door", but you won't get to see the world before paying only the CGI script.
 

Dec 4, 2008: Tasos: "Darkfall could launch today. It's more ready for launch than most, if not all of the MMORPG titles at the same stage that I've personally sampled and it has been for quite some time. Everything has been tested internally"
(reference: www.mmorpg.com/gamelist.cfm/game/4/feature/2494/from/%2Ffeatures.cfm%2Fview%2Flatest/Interview-with-Tasos-Flambouras.html)
 

So if its so finished why does the release date keep getting pushed back? hmmm yeah

Originally posted by Rabenwolf

Originally posted by IIRL

People bash Darkfall because they are oblivious to what Darkfall is. It makes me warm inside and put a smile on my face every time I read people threads where people bash Darkfall. Glad that those kind of people won't be pestering me in-game, they can stay here at MMORPG.com and continue to go from game to game to have mindless arguments.

It's how they entertain themself. To each is his own.

 

Well gamers in a sense have their fair share of idiots. These people bash games because they are popular. For some odd reason, they think that by bashing popular games, even if its just hype, some how makes the genre they love to play better. Simple logic states, dont pass judgement until you play it and only for that reason should you have something to say about it. It might or might not be your cup of tea, but should it fail because its not your type of game?

I really do not like sports games.... But then I dont go bashing them for that reason. Nor do I want them to fail, in fact I want them to be a success...because its still a facet of the industry I enjoy. The game industry. If Darkfall is a success, then its a success for the mmorpg genre. Period. If Darkfall tries to do what other companies are unwilling to do in terms of epic size and UO depth.... why penalize them for going beyond? It just doesnt make any sense. There is no reason to hate Adventurine or Darkfall, no logical reason to bash it, no logical reason at all.

Being a bandwagon kiddie is never a thing to brag about...and everytime I see someone bash darkfall.... calling it darkfail or whatever childish name they give it.... I mark down another bandwagon kiddie. Its pathetic.

Regarding the highlighted text in the quote above:

I will agree to this point, as do quite a few members of these forums. Unfortuantely, this same logic seems to not be applied when it comes to some of fans of Darkfall.

The largest percentage of the "trolls, h8rs, etc..." complaints are written from a deductive reasoning point of view, and the line of reasoning is usually not "unreasonable".

Granted, there are some that could work on presentation of said arguments, but most reasonable people can read the jaded history of Darkfall/Aventurine, and deduce that things aren't as golden as some would like to lead you to believe.

To be honest, it really isn't to difficult to be very skeptical when it comes to DF/AV. That is unless you totally ignore the history. Sorry, my simple logic won't let me do that.

Originally posted by Respit

Originally posted by Rabenwolf

Originally posted by IIRL

People bash Darkfall because they are oblivious to what Darkfall is....

 

.... Simple logic states, dont pass judgement until you play it and only for that reason should you have something to say about it. ...

Regarding the highlighted text in the quote above:

I will agree to this point, as do quite a few members of these forums. ...

I don't.  Mainly because it's the start of a slippery slope.

Soon it will be:
"Don't comment unless you have read ALL the Dev notes and updates..."
then
"Don't comment unless you have actually played the Beta..."
then (once the game releases
"Don't comment unless you have played at least a month..."
or
"Don't comment unless you have played at least two months..."
or
"Don't comment unless you have played at least three months, owned a ship and a guild city..."

Seen this with other games.  People have a perfect right to comment based on what THEY have seen.  If they are wrong based on inexperience say why - without the "more holy than thou" attitude.

Originally posted by Gyrus

Originally posted by Respit

Originally posted by Rabenwolf

Originally posted by IIRL

People bash Darkfall because they are oblivious to what Darkfall is....

 

.... Simple logic states, dont pass judgement until you play it and only for that reason should you have something to say about it. ...

Regarding the highlighted text in the quote above:

I will agree to this point, as do quite a few members of these forums. ...

 

I don't.  Mainly because it's the start of a slippery slope.

Soon it will be:
"Don't comment unless you have read ALL the Dev notes and updates..."
then
"Don't comment unless you have actually played the Beta..."
then (once the game releases
"Don't comment unless you have played at least a month..."
or
"Don't comment unless you have played at least two months..."
or
"Don't comment unless you have played at least three months, owned a ship and a guild city..."

 

Seen this with other games.  People have a perfect right to comment based on what THEY have seen.  If they are wrong based on inexperience say why - without the "more holy than thou" attitude.

Oh, I know exactly what you are saying.

My reply to the "simple logic" statement was basically a "practice what you preach", and quit pointing fingers.

Was just trying to put it as nice as possible.

P.S. Don't know if your nickname is referencing it or not, but I dropped at least a couple thousand quarters in Gyruss many moons ago.

Originally posted by TheBigDummy

Why people come here and "bash the game"

Because Tasos has a big fat lying mouth

Originally posted by Rabenwolf

Originally posted by Gyrus

Originally posted by Respit

Originally posted by Rabenwolf

Originally posted by IIRL

People bash Darkfall because they are oblivious to what Darkfall is....

 

.... Simple logic states, dont pass judgement until you play it and only for that reason should you have something to say about it. ...

Regarding the highlighted text in the quote above:

I will agree to this point, as do quite a few members of these forums. ...

 

I don't.  Mainly because it's the start of a slippery slope.

Soon it will be:
"Don't comment unless you have read ALL the Dev notes and updates..."
then
"Don't comment unless you have actually played the Beta..."
then (once the game releases
"Don't comment unless you have played at least a month..."
or
"Don't comment unless you have played at least two months..."
or
"Don't comment unless you have played at least three months, owned a ship and a guild city..."

 

Seen this with other games.  People have a perfect right to comment based on what THEY have seen.  If they are wrong based on inexperience say why - without the "more holy than thou" attitude.

 

Let me ask you a question. Do you know what the word "judgement" means? You clearly do not. Instead you try to turn it into making comments. Are you stupid? Passing judgement, is different than talking about it. We have people PASSING JUDGEMENT. Thats the words used in the highlighted text...you know...the one you pretended to read but couldnt.

In court you shouldnt be found guilty just because you look like a criminal, even if you are not and innocent to boot. Same logic applies to passing judgement on games. Too many of you people are quick to pass a verdict without actual knowledge or experience. Would you look at a steak and say it looks gross so there for it must taste gross? Would you look at brussel sprouts and say, ew it looks creepy its therefore bad for you?

Nice try man, but learn to have some reading comprehension before going off on wrongful assosiation of words and personal spin. 

It'll be ok, really, it will.

Just an FYI, we have people PASSING JUDGEMENT on both sides of the fence. Can you comprehend that? Or do I need to come up with some irrelevent analogy for you? Apparently I do...

In court you shouldn't be found innocent just because you look like an upstanding citizen of the community, even if you are and guilty to boot. 

Weeee!!! Did ya see what I did there?

It's pretty clear to anyone that has an ounce of common sense where the majority of the "hate" and "bashing" emanates from.

You should really take a step back and take a deep breath, because it seems that your emotional investment in this game is clouding your "judgement".

Take care.

Originally posted by seniorfrito

People come here to bash the game because they had high hopes for it and found out the game sucks big time balls.  I mean I didn't care about the game myself, but I was going to try it when there was a trial.  But the graphics and animations on this game are so terrible that it wouldn't matter how good gameplay was.  However gameplay doesn't seem all that great either so what have you got?  A complete pile of bullsh**!

what a load of crap you saying here:(

Originally posted by Respit

Originally posted by Rabenwolf

Originally posted by Gyrus

Originally posted by Respit

Originally posted by Rabenwolf

Originally posted by IIRL

People bash Darkfall because they are oblivious to what Darkfall is....

 

.... Simple logic states, dont pass judgement until you play it and only for that reason should you have something to say about it. ...

Regarding the highlighted text in the quote above:

I will agree to this point, as do quite a few members of these forums. ...

 

I don't.  Mainly because it's the start of a slippery slope.

Soon it will be:
"Don't comment unless you have read ALL the Dev notes and updates..."
then
"Don't comment unless you have actually played the Beta..."
then (once the game releases
"Don't comment unless you have played at least a month..."
or
"Don't comment unless you have played at least two months..."
or
"Don't comment unless you have played at least three months, owned a ship and a guild city..."

 

Seen this with other games.  People have a perfect right to comment based on what THEY have seen.  If they are wrong based on inexperience say why - without the "more holy than thou" attitude.

 

Let me ask you a question. Do you know what the word "judgement" means? You clearly do not. Instead you try to turn it into making comments. Are you stupid? Passing judgement, is different than talking about it. We have people PASSING JUDGEMENT. Thats the words used in the highlighted text...you know...the one you pretended to read but couldnt.

In court you shouldnt be found guilty just because you look like a criminal, even if you are not and innocent to boot. Same logic applies to passing judgement on games. Too many of you people are quick to pass a verdict without actual knowledge or experience. Would you look at a steak and say it looks gross so there for it must taste gross? Would you look at brussel sprouts and say, ew it looks creepy its therefore bad for you?

Nice try man, but learn to have some reading comprehension before going off on wrongful assosiation of words and personal spin. 

 

It'll be ok, really, it will.

Just an FYI, we have people PASSING JUDGEMENT on both sides of the fence. Can you comprehend that? Or do I need to come up with some irrelevent analogy for you? Apparently I do...

In court you shouldn't be found innocent just because you look like an upstanding citizen of the community, even if you are and guilty to boot. 

Weeee!!! Did ya see what I did there?

It's pretty clear to anyone that has an ounce of common sense where the majority of the "hate" and "bashing" emanates from.

You should really take a step back and take a deep breath, because it seems that your emotional investment in this game is clouding your "judgement".

Take care.

 

Do you usually try so hard to sound smart? Look, its not hard nor illogical, to not pass judgment either way until you see it in action. Some of you people feel the need to have to pick a side of the fence, as you put it, but its really not necessary. Just hold off until the games out and you either play it or dont. Its always stupid to assume and pass judgement before a game is released and very little information is known about it. You cant argue that, if you do, then you already have a problem. Just remember, some of us in the community are actually getting hands on experience with the title, while these people cant tell you the details, you can bet if the game was actually bad someone would have made it clear already. Hopefully you got the hint.

Originally posted by Rabenwolf

Originally posted by Gyrus
....

 

Let me ask you a question. Do you know what the word "judgement" means?  You clearly do not. Instead you try to turn it into making comments. Are you stupid? ...the one you pretended to read but couldnt.

Nice attempt at getting me to flame you here...(implying I am stupid) sorry - didn't work.

In court you shouldnt be found guilty just because you look like a criminal, even if you are not and innocent to boot. Same logic applies to passing judgement on games.

No, because in this case we are "judging" a consumer product - not an individual.

Too many of you people are quick to pass a verdict without actual knowledge or experience. Would you look at a steak and say it looks gross so there for it must taste gross? Would you look at brussel sprouts and say, ew it looks creepy its therefore bad for you?

Judging a consumer product is very much subjective.  I might judge a steak or a brussel sprout on appearance, yes.  I might judge it on smell.  I might judge it on taste.
But however I judge it it is not up to you to say "You have no right to judge it that way!  You must eat the whole thing before you can make any comment!"
 

Nice try man, but learn to have some reading comprehension before going off on wrongful assosiation of words and personal spin. 

It's interesting because according to what I read - no-one in beta has tried all the features yet because of frequent server wipes?
That would suggest that no-one should comment at all either way?
Maybe you should contact the Site Admin and have the whole forum locked?

Originally posted by Gyrus

Originally posted by Rabenwolf

Originally posted by Gyrus
....

 

Let me ask you a question. Do you know what the word "judgement" means?  You clearly do not. Instead you try to turn it into making comments. Are you stupid? ...the one you pretended to read but couldnt.

Nice attempt at getting me to flame you here...(implying I am stupid) sorry - didn't work.

In court you shouldnt be found guilty just because you look like a criminal, even if you are not and innocent to boot. Same logic applies to passing judgement on games.

No, because in this case we are "judging" a consumer product - not an individual.

Too many of you people are quick to pass a verdict without actual knowledge or experience. Would you look at a steak and say it looks gross so there for it must taste gross? Would you look at brussel sprouts and say, ew it looks creepy its therefore bad for you?

Judging a consumer product is very much subjective.  I might judge a steak or a brussel sprout on appearance, yes.  I might judge it on smell.  I might judge it on taste.
But however I judge it it is not up to you to say "You have no right to judge it that way!  You must eat the whole thing before you can make any comment!"
 

Nice try man, but learn to have some reading comprehension before going off on wrongful assosiation of words and personal spin. 

It's interesting because according to what I read - no-one in beta has tried all the features yet because of frequent server wipes?
That would suggest that no-one should comment at all either way?
Maybe you should contact the Site Admin and have the whole forum locked?

 

ROFL, thanks for proving your lack of rational thinking. Just a heads up, a consumer product requires it to be available to the consumer champ. A project thats intended to be a product, thats currently under development, is not yet a consumer product. You try to make a distinction between an individual and a product, it doesnt matter if its a chicken and an egg, you are still passing judgement without knowing anything about them. ROFL you keep thinking there is a difference ok.

The point is you cant logically judge it. You try and make an excuse why you can. lol You ever see the movie Idiocracy? Becauase you are helping make that scenario a reality.

Originally posted by Rabenwolf

 

ROFL, thanks for proving your lack of rational thinking. Just a heads up, a consumer product requires it to be available to the consumer champ. A project thats intended to be a product, thats currently under development, is not yet a consumer product. You try to make a distinction between an individual and a product, it doesnt matter if its a chicken and an egg, you are still passing judgement without knowing anything about them. ROFL you keep thinking there is a difference ok.

I wouldn't like toe jam flavored beer. I don't need to try it to know that. The product doesn't need to be released for me to know that. It doesn't even have to be in development for me to know that. Your statement we don't know anything about Darkfall is also incorrect. The entire basis for your "rational" thinking is non-existant.

Originally posted by zymurgeist

Originally posted by Rabenwolf

 

ROFL, thanks for proving your lack of rational thinking. Just a heads up, a consumer product requires it to be available to the consumer champ. A project thats intended to be a product, thats currently under development, is not yet a consumer product. You try to make a distinction between an individual and a product, it doesnt matter if its a chicken and an egg, you are still passing judgement without knowing anything about them. ROFL you keep thinking there is a difference ok.

I wouldn't like toe jam flavored beer. I don't need to try it to know that. The product doesn't need to be released for me to know that. It doesn't even have to be in development for me to know that. Your statement we don't know anything about Darkfall is also incorrect. The entire basis for your "rational" thinking is non-existant.

That means a lot coming from the guy with "Don't eat the cat poop, you'll die." in his sig. Your analogy is flawed. In the case of this game, you either are a fan of the full loot pvp system or you are not. You cant base it on actually trying it first, unless you are also in beta. I dont enjoy playing sports games, but is it logical to hate them? Can judgement be passed on the game if Its not even the genre I enjoy? Fairly? nope. In the end, your post is full of hot hair, its just an attempt at sounding smart, yet nothing concrete is really stated other than the use of a clearly unrealistic analogy. Good job.

Lets point out the obvious, if a game like Darkfall is not your cup of tea, then why are you here spending your time? That in itself kind of ruins your attempt at argument.

Originally posted by Rabenwolf
...

ROFL, thanks for proving your lack of rational thinking. Just a heads up, a consumer product requires it to be available to the consumer champ. A project thats intended to be a product, thats currently under development, is not yet a consumer product.

Okay.  In that case - DARKFALL does not exist in the real world.  It is simply an abstract idea.  A list of proposals. In which case we can say what we like and pass 'judgement' however we like - since it does not exist.  In which case it does not matter.
I do have a question for you though: If I can't 'judge' something until I have tried it... how does advertising work?

You try to make a distinction between an individual and a product, it doesnt matter if its a chicken and an egg, you are still passing judgement without knowing anything about them. ROFL you keep thinking there is a difference ok.

It makes a ton of difference.  And BTW even chickens are judged based on appearance - You never saw that Jamie Oliver show?  ;-)

The point is you cant logically judge it. You try and make an excuse why you can. lol You ever see the movie Idiocracy? Becauase you are helping make that scenario a reality.

Those girls were never able to prove I was the father...

Originally posted by Rabenwolf

 

ROFL, thanks for proving your lack of rational thinking. Just a heads up, a consumer product requires it to be available to the consumer champ. A project thats intended to be a product, thats currently under development, is not yet a consumer product. You try to make a distinction between an individual and a product, it doesnt matter if its a chicken and an egg, you are still passing judgement without knowing anything about them. ROFL you keep thinking there is a difference ok.

The point is you cant logically judge it. You try and make an excuse why you can. lol You ever see the movie Idiocracy? Becauase you are helping make that scenario a reality.

Okay, my issue with this entire line of comments and questions HERE...is this:

It's one thing to tell the more jaded (or negative, or cynical, or whatever you refer to them as) DF forumites that they shouldn't judge, but re-read what you just wrote there and tell me why that doesn't also apply to the more almost cultish fans of the game?  NEITHER "side" to this argument holds water.  Gamers from NEITHER camp have seen a completed product.  Neither side can logically judge the game ITSELF with the type of evidence that actually PLAYING it (in its completed form), would provide.  Sure, both sides can have opinions in regards to what they have seen and heard thus far, but BOTH sides opinions are based on what, at this point, is still not a finished "case file"  (as far as the completed game ITSELF).

However....there IS hard evidence that Tasos has repeatedly lied over the years.   Or we could choose to say he just mis-spoke repeatedly, I suppose.  But most businesses would terminate someone who put their foot in their mouth THAT often, bringing the company such negative criticism, don't you think?   Make of that what you will, but I certainly can see logic and reason in being mistrustful of him.

Originally posted by Gyrus

Originally posted by Rabenwolf
...

ROFL, thanks for proving your lack of rational thinking. Just a heads up, a consumer product requires it to be available to the consumer champ. A project thats intended to be a product, thats currently under development, is not yet a consumer product.

Okay.  In that case - DARKFALL does not exist in the real world.  It is simply an abstract idea.  A list of proposals. In which case we can say what we like and pass 'judgement' however we like - since it does not exist.  In which case it does not matter.
I do have a question for you though: If I can't 'judge' something until I have tried it... how does advertising work?

You try to make a distinction between an individual and a product, it doesnt matter if its a chicken and an egg, you are still passing judgement without knowing anything about them. ROFL you keep thinking there is a difference ok.

It makes a ton of difference.  And BTW even chickens are judged based on appearance - You never saw that Jamie Oliver show?  ;-)

The point is you cant logically judge it. You try and make an excuse why you can. lol You ever see the movie Idiocracy? Becauase you are helping make that scenario a reality.

Those girls were never able to prove I was the father...

 

  What advertising? DF isnt doing that. Advertising in general is merely letting you know that the given product or service, person or place, exists and that you should look into it.

If Nvidia  was making a new GPU, and all you saw were some pictures of the individual pieces and wiring that are going to be assembled to create the gpu, and you read what its projected capabilities are, can you then judge it as being successful or a failure? You cant. I mean you can, but it wouldnt be based on anything logical or real. It would be stupid to judge it until its actually assembled, released, and benchmarks as well as screen shots are taken through its usage. This process really isnt that different from a game being assembled, developed, and polished. When the game is released, we can go ahead and mark down if its features failed or not. Anything prior to that is just speculation and inquiry.

Originally posted by girlgeek

Originally posted by Rabenwolf

 

ROFL, thanks for proving your lack of rational thinking. Just a heads up, a consumer product requires it to be available to the consumer champ. A project thats intended to be a product, thats currently under development, is not yet a consumer product. You try to make a distinction between an individual and a product, it doesnt matter if its a chicken and an egg, you are still passing judgement without knowing anything about them. ROFL you keep thinking there is a difference ok.

The point is you cant logically judge it. You try and make an excuse why you can. lol You ever see the movie Idiocracy? Becauase you are helping make that scenario a reality.

 

Okay, my issue with this entire line of comments and questions HERE...is this:

It's one thing to tell the more jaded (or negative, or cynical, or whatever you refer to them as) DF forumites that they shouldn't judge, but re-read what you just wrote there and tell me why that doesn't also apply to the more almost cultish fans of the game?  NEITHER "side" to this argument holds water.  Gamers from NEITHER camp have seen a completed product.  Neither side can logically judge the game ITSELF with the type of evidence that actually PLAYING it (in its completed form), would provide.  Sure, both sides can have opinions in regards to what they have seen and heard thus far, but BOTH sides opinions are based on what, at this point, is still not a finished "case file"  (as far as the completed game ITSELF).

However....there IS hard evidence that Tasos has repeatedly lied over the years.   Or we could choose to say he just mis-spoke repeatedly, I suppose.  But most businesses would terminate someone who put their foot in their mouth THAT often, bringing the company such negative criticism, don't you think?   Make of that what you will, but I certainly can see logic and reason in being mistrustful of him.

 

 

Look we dont judge a game when pulling out a specific person. If you want to follow your logic, then Bill Roper, who was in charge of Hellgate London, who is now working on Champions online, and has been dubbed as a liar and fool, therefor makes Champions online a failure. Lets go on, can we judge AoC prior to its release based on Earl E. of Funcom? Not logically. The games are made up of many different teams working on many different aspects of a game, you dont judge the title thats not even released yet on the person doing the PR work. Michael Bay, horrible director, actually made a good movie with transformers. I mean, you could assume it would be horrible just based on the franchise and director, but the film was good. The actors, the DP, the producers, they all did a good job. The lesson is you cant logically judge something that very little know about (unless you are a beta tester, hint hint) without waiting for it to be released. The thing about MMORPGs as well, is that they are not static. Vanguard, forced early release, many of the games features were missing. It was horrible. Does this mean the game is horrible now? Not really. The judgement of a mmorpg can change based on the period of its release and the period following that.

EVE started off very similar to DF. Over the course of EVE's life span, it has grown, changed, and evolved into an even better product. Until a game goes gold, information is out on it, its tested and reviewed, regardless of if you like a person or not who works on the team,  you cant logically judge it.

No one here is paying for Darkfall at the moment, its kind of silly to feel jipped or erked at Tasos and DF if its not even a product people are paying for, much less finished. I dont think him or the team have a realistic idea on how long it will take to finish the massive project, many developers have this issue. Problems arise in the code, it takes time to fix it, adding features, testing them, one feature might break another, and thus more testing has to be done. All you can do is guess work on the time table, but if your team is limited in number, then its anyones guess as to how long it will take.

They just wanted people to stop calling it vaporware, that it did exist. I believe thats the real reason for attempt at release dates, even though without a publisher and solid time table, all you can do is guess work. Blizzard always keeps their games TBA until the title is 100% ready for release. Adventurine, is not blizzard, because if they were, no one would have been making claims of vaporware.

Originally posted by Rabenwolf

Originally posted by girlgeek

Originally posted by Rabenwolf

 

ROFL, thanks for proving your lack of rational thinking. Just a heads up, a consumer product requires it to be available to the consumer champ. A project thats intended to be a product, thats currently under development, is not yet a consumer product. You try to make a distinction between an individual and a product, it doesnt matter if its a chicken and an egg, you are still passing judgement without knowing anything about them. ROFL you keep thinking there is a difference ok.

The point is you cant logically judge it. You try and make an excuse why you can. lol You ever see the movie Idiocracy? Becauase you are helping make that scenario a reality.

 

Okay, my issue with this entire line of comments and questions HERE...is this:

It's one thing to tell the more jaded (or negative, or cynical, or whatever you refer to them as) DF forumites that they shouldn't judge, but re-read what you just wrote there and tell me why that doesn't also apply to the more almost cultish fans of the game?  NEITHER "side" to this argument holds water.  Gamers from NEITHER camp have seen a completed product.  Neither side can logically judge the game ITSELF with the type of evidence that actually PLAYING it (in its completed form), would provide.  Sure, both sides can have opinions in regards to what they have seen and heard thus far, but BOTH sides opinions are based on what, at this point, is still not a finished "case file"  (as far as the completed game ITSELF).

However....there IS hard evidence that Tasos has repeatedly lied over the years.   Or we could choose to say he just mis-spoke repeatedly, I suppose.  But most businesses would terminate someone who put their foot in their mouth THAT often, bringing the company such negative criticism, don't you think?   Make of that what you will, but I certainly can see logic and reason in being mistrustful of him.

 

 

 

Look we dont judge a game when pulling out a specific person. If you want to follow your logic, then Bill Roper, who was in charge of Hellgate London, who is now working on Champions online, and has been dubbed as a liar and fool, therefor makes Champions online a failure. Lets go on, can we judge AoC prior to its release based on Earl E. of Funcom? Not logically. The games are made up of many different teams working on many different aspects of a game, you dont judge the title thats not even released yet on the person doing the PR work. Michael Bay, horrible director, actually made a good movie with transformers. I mean, you could assume it would be horrible just based on the franchise and director, but the film was good. The actors, the DP, the producers, they all did a good job. The lesson is you cant logically judge something that very little know about (unless you are a beta tester, hint hint) without waiting for it to be released. The thing about MMORPGs as well, is that they are not static. Vanguard, forced early release, many of the games features were missing. It was horrible. Does this mean the game is horrible now? Not really. The judgement of a mmorpg can change based on the period of its release and the period following that.

EVE started off very similar to DF. Over the course of EVE's life span, it has grown, changed, and evolved into an even better product. Until a game goes gold, information is out on it, its tested and reviewed, regardless of if you like a person or not who works on the team,  you cant logically judge it.

No one here is paying for Darkfall at the moment, its kind of silly to feel jipped or erked at Tasos and DF if its not even a product people are paying for, much less finished. I dont think him or the team have a realistic idea on how long it will take to finish the massive project, many developers have this issue. Problems arise in the code, it takes time to fix it, adding features, testing them, one feature might break another, and thus more testing has to be done. All you can do is guess work on the time table, but if your team is limited in number, then its anyones guess as to how long it will take.

They just wanted people to stop calling it vaporware, that it did exist. I believe thats the real reason for attempt at release dates, even though without a publisher and solid time table, all you can do is guess work. Blizzard always keeps their games TBA until the title is 100% ready for release. Adventurine, is not blizzard, because if they were, no one would have been making claims of vaporware.

I don't see how you and I disagree.  Perhaps you didn't understand my post.  I said basically the same thing you did, surprisingly for ME, in LESS words!  (I know I ramble a lot.)

My issue is that people are trying to judge the GAME based on Tasos.  Tasos is UNDERSTANDABLY mistrusted, in my opinion.  Does that make the GAME any less than what it might be?  No...I don't believe it does.  We cannot judge the game itSELF by HIM, in my opinion.  Do I trust any words that come from his mouth?  Not really much anymore, no.  A lot of people feel this same way.  However....am I going to throw the baby out with the bathwater?  Absolutely not.  I refuse to determine this game a "win" or "fail" until I PLAY IT.  And even THEN....if it has potential to be even better than it is at release....I will be apt to hang in there with it.  But none of this can actually be determined in FACT until we have a playable and RELEASED game.

Originally posted by Rabenwolf

 

That means a lot coming from the guy with "Don't eat the cat poop, you'll die." in his sig. Your analogy is flawed. In the case of this game, you either are a fan of the full loot pvp system or you are not. You cant base it on actually trying it first, unless you are also in beta. I dont enjoy playing sports games, but is it logical to hate them? Can judgement be passed on the game if Its not even the genre I enjoy? Fairly? nope. In the end, your post is full of hot hair, its just an attempt at sounding smart, yet nothing concrete is really stated other than the use of a clearly unrealistic analogy. Good job.

Lets point out the obvious, if a game like Darkfall is not your cup of tea, then why are you here spending your time? That in itself kind of ruins your attempt at argument.

More blatantly false statements. I might e a fan of full loot PvP systems but not with this combination of game features, which are known. I might be a fan of full loot PvP systems but not this game. I might hate full loot PvP systems but find it acceptable for this game due to other factors. You're just as guilty of prejudging as you claim others are.  The analogy is perfect. There is always a deal breaker you can't know what that is for an individal poster so you can't know if their prejudgement has a rational and valid basis to them. It might be full loot. It might be skill systems in general. It might be the graphics. It might be the lack of character customization. It might be any one of a million things.  What you're left with once your "reasoning" is exposed for the nonsense it it is is a collection of ad hominem attacks with no rational basis.

Darkfall may or may not be my cup of tea. That's my decision not yours. If Darkfall is your cup of tea why are you trying to cloud the issues with irrelevant nonsense?