Originally posted by Gnomad

Is English a second language for you Raiden?

Just wondering because you once again prove my contention that the most vocal sycophantic fawnbois write like they are using a translator from some foreign language.

 Which leads me to believe that either A) you are a shill for Aventurine B) You are quite young and don't understand proper grammer C) You failed grammer school English  D) You really don't give a F how stupid your comments come off as.

English is a second language to me, and to many others. When will you egocentric, pompus a**es stop trying to assess someones personality based on a written text on a forum on the internet?

You should take it to heart and stop spewing this kind of sh*t around you, it only belittles your standing in most educated peoples minds.

and what on earth does "sycophantic fawnbois" mean anyone?

have a great day!
 

Originally posted by nileq

Originally posted by Gnomad

Is English a second language for you Raiden?

Just wondering because you once again prove my contention that the most vocal sycophantic fawnbois write like they are using a translator from some foreign language.

 Which leads me to believe that either A) you are a shill for Aventurine B) You are quite young and don't understand proper grammer C) You failed grammer school English  D) You really don't give a F how stupid your comments come off as.

 

English is a second language to me, and to many others. When will you egocentric, pompus a**es stop trying to assess someones personality based on a written text on a forum on the internet?

You should take it to heart and stop spewing this kind of sh*t around you, it only belittles your standing in most educated peoples minds.

and what on earth does "sycophantic fawnbois" mean anyone?

have a great day!
 

 

Like I said, I agree with this first half. English isnt a native language for a lot of folks. No reason to tear him down for that. If he has "stupid ideas", then sure. However, bad grammer is no good idea to hate for.

And there was no reason to delete my previous post. Hell, it was the least inflammatory post I've made in the past two days.

Originally posted by AllTheZios
.....

 

And there was no reason to delete my previous post. Hell, it was the least inflammatory post I've made in the past two days.

And with that you just broke the forum rules - well done - well on the way to getting a third thread locked.

Dear MMORPG.com Mods,

Instead of locking all the threads where AllTheZios has posted and incited a flame war - how about just editing the damn things?

By locking the threads you are just being used... this is a tactic that has been used on a number of Developer forums in the last year.

Someone posts something you don't like?

• Derail the thread.
• Start a flame war
• Incourage people to make personal insults against you (so YOU don't do anything wrong...)
• Sit back and wait for the thread to be locked as a result... FTW!

Honestly guys - you are getting used.  I am really disappointed you are falling for it.

Originally posted by Gyrus

Originally posted by AllTheZios
.....

 

And there was no reason to delete my previous post. Hell, it was the least inflammatory post I've made in the past two days.

And with that you just broke the forum rules - well done - well on the way to getting a third thread locked.

 

Dear MMORPG.com Mods,

Instead of locking all the threads where AllTheZios has posted and incited a flame war - how about just editing the damn things?

By locking the threads you are just being used... this is a tactic that has been used on a number of Developer forums in the last year.

Someone posts something you don't like?

• Derail the thread.
• Start a flame war
• Incourage people to make personal insults against you (so YOU don't do anything wrong...)
• Sit back and wait for the thread to be locked as a result... FTW!

Honestly guys - you are getting used.  I am really disappointed you are falling for it.

You are insane. I backed up this guy on the fact that not everyone speaks English at a Native skill level, and that was good enough for a post delete? No flaming, no excessive foul language, just an opinion. It made no sense. Someone tore into the guy for not speaking English well, and used that as a basis for their "U R STUPID" flames. I disagreed with that.

Nothing deletable there. Certainly nothing lockable.

To get back on topic....

This is the bottomline:

If it runs so smoothly and there is nothing to hide then why is the NDA still up?

IF it is so stable and no game-breaking bugs then why haven't they let any major media in to do a Beta preview?

If it is so bug-free and smooth and stable... then why not show us?

What are they afraid of?

Until the NDA drops there will be cause for doubt as to the state of the game.

Originally posted by xzyax

To get back on topic....

 

This is the bottomline:

 

If it runs so smoothly and there is nothing to hide then why is the NDA still up?

plenty of NDA violations around

IF it is so stable and no game-breaking bugs then why haven't they let any major media in to do a Beta preview?

Because their decision for not letting in media yet (or don't let them report their preview) has nothing to do with the game being stable  or the lack of game breaking bugs ? 

we have gamer reviews from beta leaker thats even better ..game magazines differ in most cases from gamer rating ..I don't buy or read any magazine myself and never have but i play the best MMO's out there. 

If it is so bug-free and smooth and stable... then why not show us?

What do you mean by "show us" ? There are officially released gameplay videos, journals, screenshots, beta previews.. 

What are they afraid of?

Game is delayed they gave public info about the reasons

They announced a new release date ..check back on that date

Until the NDA drops there will be cause for doubt as to the state of the game.

check back for when NDA get lifted..

i have a feeling no one can help you with your doubts because you decided to have them and your not open for other opinions with  positive feedback .

.you decided for yourself  that there are bugs , the game is not stable and don't run smoothly..

live with that ..

Originally posted by xzyax

To get back on topic....

 

This is the bottomline:

 

If it runs so smoothly and there is nothing to hide then why is the NDA still up?

IF it is so stable and no game-breaking bugs then why haven't they let any major media in to do a Beta preview?

 

If it is so bug-free and smooth and stable... then why not show us?

What are they afraid of?

 

Until the NDA drops there will be cause for doubt as to the state of the game.

No that is not exactly the bottom line, this is:

-They obviously don't want to lift the NDA, and honestly it's their decission.
-They obviously don't want major media to do a Beta preview (could have to do with the fact that they already have to many interested users, and migth have to stage the release. Atleast that falls inline whith the "no hype" line they have been following for so long).
-They obviously don't want to show us before the game is COMPLETELY ready for launch

Further more I will append to the bottom line that;
many (including, but not limited to you, xzyax) seems unable to think that they would NOT want more hype, i will leave you with a (taken form my memory) quote from Tasos: "Hype for Darkfall is massive right now, despite our best efforts"

All, all of us have to do is to wait and see.
If the game doesn't run smoothly?
-we will see that when we play it or the NDA is lifted and the reviews come out, no-one is holding a gun to your head making you pre-order.
If the game isn't stable and have game-breaking bugs?
-we will see that when we play it or the NDA is lifted and the reviews come out, no-one is holding a gun to your head making you pre-order.
If the game is bug-free, smooth and stable?
-we will see that when we play it or the NDA is lifted and the reviews come out, no-one is holding a gun to your head making you pre-order.
 

What are you afraid of? just don't pre-order and you will be safe.

Until the NDA drops, we are not supposed to know the state of the game, unless you belive the official word that is.

Originally posted by nileq

No that is not exactly bottom line, this is:

-They obviously don't want to lift the NDA, and honestly it's their desission.

There has to be a reason why they do not. That is the point you are missing. So close to release it is unusual to have such a clamp on current information concerning the state of the game.

-They obviously don't want major media to do a Beta preview (could have to do with the fact that they already have to many interested users, and migth have to stage the release. Atleast that falls inline whith the "no hype" line they have been following for so long).

They also said they were going to do a journalist beta as well. This game's hype is from Tasos. Like any good trash show host, he sensationalized the game. He cannot then go back and revise history. His caustic interviews and fights with other high profile game developers is not giving your best effort to reduce hype.

-They obviously don't want to show us before the game is COMPLETELY ready for launch

Then the game will not be ready by Feb 25. We are talking 3 weeks until launch. For development that is less then 2 weeks to get the final "gold" build and configure the production servers. The state of the billing and support systems is unknown. You have to admit it appears like they have a huge amount of work for just 14 - 16 days, yes?

Further more I will append to the bottom line that;
many (including, but not limited to you, xzyax) seems unable to think that they would NOT want more hype, i will leave you with a (taken form my memory) quote from Tasos: "Hype for Darkfall is massive right now, despite our best efforts"

This is what we call revisionist history. Ready back through the interviews and the dev journals again. There are countless claims of revolutionary systems and caustic rebuttals. Everything about his attitude has emphasized "hype". A person can say one thing and do the exact opposite. Tasos has proven that many times over. So lets dispense with the "they don't want the hype" talk. It is clear he wanted they hype and now he bit off more then he can chew.

All, all of us have to do is to wait and see.
If the game doesn't run smoothly?
-we will see that when we play it or the NDA is lifted and the reviews come out, no-one is holding a gun to your head making you pre-order.

No, but the incentive is there since pre-orders will get first crack at the game. While skill plays a more important part, those with days, weeks, or even months head start will have a pretty significant advantage.

If the game isn't stable and have game-breaking bugs?
-we will see that when we play it or the NDA is lifted and the reviews come out, no-one is holding a gun to your head making you pre-order.

Again just a rehash from above... see previous response.

If the game is bug-free, smooth and stable?
-we will see that when we play it or the NDA is lifted and the reviews come out, no-one is holding a gun to your head making you pre-order.

 

What are you afraid of? just don't pre-order and you will be safe.

Until the NDA drops, we are not supposed to know the state of the game, unless you belive the official word that is.

I have no issues with NDAs and this is not the concern here. The concern is that the NDA should have been dropped by now or at least had exceptions made. So far the only exception that was made was thenoobcomic.com. That is quite telling in this industry whether you want to acknowledge it or not. We are talking about a game that will be "complete" in 14 - 16 days unless there is a third delay. I personally have no issue if there was another delay. The game needs the work and feedback from a real beta test that is just getting started.

Originally posted by atziluth

Originally posted by nileq

No that is not exactly bottom line, this is:

-They obviously don't want to lift the NDA, and honestly it's their desission.

There has to be a reason why they do not. That is the point you are missing. So close to release it is unusual to have such a clamp on current information concerning the state of the game.

You forgett, this is aventurine you are speaking about. I belive that they don't follow the "norm" so you cannot expect the "norm" from them, when the game goes live and/or the NDA is lifed we will know the truth

-They obviously don't want major media to do a Beta preview (could have to do with the fact that they already have to many interested users, and migth have to stage the release. Atleast that falls inline whith the "no hype" line they have been following for so long).

They also said they were going to do a journalist beta as well. This game's hype is from Tasos. Like any good trash show host, he sensationalized the game. He cannot then go back and revise history. His caustic interviews and fights with other high profile game developers is not giving your best effort to reduce hype.

I'm not totaly sure here but the "journalist beta" wasn't that ONLY stated by mmorpg.ITA and not exactly by AV themslefs? You can argue that the Hype comes from Tasos, but some months ago the latest cry was not the Hype it was the silence everyone was angry about.. (not saying that YOU said that) but people need to make up their mind. Are they or are they NOT hyping the game? You are currently implying that NOT saying anything for a 2 week period 3 week before launch is hyping the game

-They obviously don't want to show us before the game is COMPLETELY ready for launch

Then the game will not be ready by Feb 25. We are talking 3 weeks until launch. For development that is less then 2 weeks to get the final "gold" build and configure the production servers. The state of the billing and support systems is unknown. You have to admit it appears like they have a huge amount of work for just 14 - 16 days, yes?

I admit it APPEARS that they have huge amount of work for just 14-16 days. But I am not giving up and saying that they will never make it

Further more I will append to the bottom line that;
many (including, but not limited to you, xzyax) seems unable to think that they would NOT want more hype, i will leave you with a (taken form my memory) quote from Tasos: "Hype for Darkfall is massive right now, despite our best efforts"

This is what we call revisionist history. Ready back through the interviews and the dev journals again. There are countless claims of revolutionary systems and caustic rebuttals. Everything about his attitude has emphasized "hype". A person can say one thing and do the exact opposite. Tasos has proven that many times over. So lets dispense with the "they don't want the hype" talk. It is clear he wanted they hype and now he bit off more then he can chew.

Belive me I have read all the interviews and the dev journals, and none of them are telling the complete truth, they are commenting on their "revolutionary systems". Buy "caustic rebuttals", I am assuming that you are reffering to this sites interview with Tasos, and since I consider that interview to be hostile from beginning to end, I will not comment more on that. But you have to aggree to that they have for a long time been under fire form many directions (from mmorpg.com trolls, to AoC developers and Mourning web-designers) if they once and again stand up and say stfu, they are entitled to.

If you by hype mean developer journals that describes thier current doings, then everyone is hyping the shit out of their game. What I mean by hype is scripted movies CGI style. Magazine reviews that shows a 10 of a 10!!! (AoC anyone) and such things

All, all of us have to do is to wait and see.
If the game doesn't run smoothly?
-we will see that when we play it or the NDA is lifted and the reviews come out, no-one is holding a gun to your head making you pre-order.

No, but the incentive is there since pre-orders will get first crack at the game. While skill plays a more important part, those with days, weeks, or even months head start will have a pretty significant advantage.

Yes I wish they wouldn't have made that move, but they did. And seriously, every other publisher of any other MMO (and other game-types) are using pre-order to help them gauge the market. And how would they justify you NOT being let in first if you made a pre-order?

If the game isn't stable and have game-breaking bugs?
-we will see that when we play it or the NDA is lifted and the reviews come out, no-one is holding a gun to your head making you pre-order.

Again just a rehash from above... see previous response.

If the game is bug-free, smooth and stable?
-we will see that when we play it or the NDA is lifted and the reviews come out, no-one is holding a gun to your head making you pre-order.

 

What are you afraid of? just don't pre-order and you will be safe.

Until the NDA drops, we are not supposed to know the state of the game, unless you belive the official word that is.

I have no issues with NDAs and this is not the concern here. The concern is that the NDA should have been dropped by now or at least had exceptions made. So far the only exception that was made was thenoobcomic.com. That is quite telling in this industry whether you want to acknowledge it or not. We are talking about a game that will be "complete" in 14 - 16 days unless there is a third delay. I personally have no issue if there was another delay. The game needs the work and feedback from a real beta test that is just getting started.

We have plenty of "unothorized NDA exeptions" so I think the point is moot, If you want to make up your own mind of the state of the game, you can. And I will say it again, this is Aventurne we are talking about. They just do thins differently. good or bad, we will see soon.

Damnit, anyone else get the font selection disapering when editing in a quote? 
 

Originally posted by atziluth

Originally posted by nileq

No that is not exactly bottom line, this is:

-They obviously don't want to lift the NDA, and honestly it's their desission.

There has to be a reason why they do not. That is the point you are missing. So close to release it is unusual to have such a clamp on current information concerning the state of the game.

-They obviously don't want major media to do a Beta preview (could have to do with the fact that they already have to many interested users, and migth have to stage the release. Atleast that falls inline whith the "no hype" line they have been following for so long).

They also said they were going to do a journalist beta as well. This game's hype is from Tasos. Like any good trash show host, he sensationalized the game. He cannot then go back and revise history. His caustic interviews and fights with other high profile game developers is not giving your best effort to reduce hype.

-They obviously don't want to show us before the game is COMPLETELY ready for launch

Then the game will not be ready by Feb 25. We are talking 3 weeks until launch. For development that is less then 2 weeks to get the final "gold" build and configure the production servers. The state of the billing and support systems is unknown. You have to admit it appears like they have a huge amount of work for just 14 - 16 days, yes?

Further more I will append to the bottom line that;
many (including, but not limited to you, xzyax) seems unable to think that they would NOT want more hype, i will leave you with a (taken form my memory) quote from Tasos: "Hype for Darkfall is massive right now, despite our best efforts"

This is what we call revisionist history. Ready back through the interviews and the dev journals again. There are countless claims of revolutionary systems and caustic rebuttals. Everything about his attitude has emphasized "hype". A person can say one thing and do the exact opposite. Tasos has proven that many times over. So lets dispense with the "they don't want the hype" talk. It is clear he wanted they hype and now he bit off more then he can chew.

All, all of us have to do is to wait and see.
If the game doesn't run smoothly?
-we will see that when we play it or the NDA is lifted and the reviews come out, no-one is holding a gun to your head making you pre-order.

No, but the incentive is there since pre-orders will get first crack at the game. While skill plays a more important part, those with days, weeks, or even months head start will have a pretty significant advantage.

If the game isn't stable and have game-breaking bugs?
-we will see that when we play it or the NDA is lifted and the reviews come out, no-one is holding a gun to your head making you pre-order.

Again just a rehash from above... see previous response.

If the game is bug-free, smooth and stable?
-we will see that when we play it or the NDA is lifted and the reviews come out, no-one is holding a gun to your head making you pre-order.

 

What are you afraid of? just don't pre-order and you will be safe.

Until the NDA drops, we are not supposed to know the state of the game, unless you belive the official word that is.

I have no issues with NDAs and this is not the concern here. The concern is that the NDA should have been dropped by now or at least had exceptions made. So far the only exception that was made was thenoobcomic.com. That is quite telling in this industry whether you want to acknowledge it or not. We are talking about a game that will be "complete" in 14 - 16 days unless there is a third delay. I personally have no issue if there was another delay. The game needs the work and feedback from a real beta test that is just getting started.

Well said about the hype bit. It is quite hypocritical to say you dont' want hype after some of the comments and claims made by Tasos and co. The examples are myriad and have been cited plenty a time on these threads.

Want to know how a dev "avoids hype"? Stay off the radar. Remain low key.

There are some examples on this site of companies that came out of the woodwork with projects that had been long in development, but very few knew of 'til they went "public" about it. I know of at least two others in development that aren't even listed here and have, maybe, 6 threads where they're even mentioned.

*That's* an example of a company who wants to avoid hype and remain low-key with their development.

I think very much Tasos wanted hype for the game... perhaps he just didn't want the hype to exceed what he felt confident AV could deliver (a trap many devs fall into; including AAA titles)... Unfortunately, he did a really bad job of it by many of the statements he's made.

I think Thom Yorke sums it up well in this song's chorus... Clicky!
(clever video, incidentally)

Anyways... my two cents

Originally posted by DarthRaiden

Originally posted by xzyax

To get back on topic....

 

This is the bottomline:

 

If it runs so smoothly and there is nothing to hide then why is the NDA still up?

plenty of NDA violations around

IF it is so stable and no game-breaking bugs then why haven't they let any major media in to do a Beta preview?

Because their decision for not letting in media yet (or don't let them report their preview) has nothing to do with the game being stable  or the lack of game breaking bugs ? 

we have gamer reviews from beta leaker thats even better ..game magazines differ in most cases from gamer rating ..I don't buy or read any magazine myself and never have but i play the best MMO's out there. 

If it is so bug-free and smooth and stable... then why not show us?

What do you mean by "show us" ? There are officially released gameplay videos, journals, screenshots, beta previews.. 

What are they afraid of?

Game is delayed they gave public info about the reasons

They announced a new release date ..check back on that date

Until the NDA drops there will be cause for doubt as to the state of the game.

check back for when NDA get lifted..

i have a feeling no one can help you with your doubts because you decided to have them and your not open for other opinions with  positive feedback .

.you decided for yourself  that there are bugs , the game is not stable and don't run smoothly..

live with that ..

 

 

 

Heh... so now the "official" information is the Beta-leaks?

"Hey Tasos.  We don't need to worry about dropping the NDA because there are already plenty of leaks anyway.  The fans can just get their information from them.   No need for us to actually follow through with any of the information we said we'd give out."  

Good one. 

How far we have come from the threads of the big bad scary NDA that no one dared break.  Remember those threads?  I'm pretty sure you do Darth... as you posted in them. 

So... whatever happened to that leaker who posted the dragon fight pics that Aventurine was supposedly going after.   Oh yeah... that's right.  Just more BS. 

Oh... and what about this quote of yours from just a couple weeks back:

"All the delays and even bugs would not have been a problem for me .. but miss a release date and reward yourself pre-order money without try before pay ..isn't something i like,support or accept.. "

or this one

"Lift the NDA.

Give access to the biggest amount of number of people possible..

Let the press play and review.

Its a must now ..."
 

or this one

"Don't forget supposed we should all playing from januar 22 on ...may trapped in server qeues ..but we should.. "

Those are your words... not mine.   Perhaps you didn't mean them?   See, I still believe what you said there.  They need to lift the NDA and let the press play it and review it.  We should have all been playing on the 22nd.  See... I agree with you.  You just keep changing your mind on stuff. 

You seem to have changed your attitude... again. 

I am still the same as always.  I'd like DarkFall to Release in a finished and tested state.  That means everything... not just some starting towns and a few goblins.  I am skeptical that Aventurine can pull it off and I don't trust a single word that Tasos says.

Oh, and as far as my doubts... I'll leave you with another quote from yourself:

"Yes, after the Jan 15 announcement there is much stuff to worry about these company..."

Guess all these quotes are around the Jan 15 announcement..yes it had me upset for a few days that they didn't released Jan 22 and the fact about pre orders..

i still will not pre order  and don't suggest anyone to pre order..the amount of leaks however occured after Jan 22 ..calmed me plus the fact a guildie has now access to first hand impressions ;)..and the amount of unjustified hate raised during 22th Jan towards the game got me back on track ..

Originally posted by DarthRaiden

..and the amount of unjustified hate raised during 22th Jan towards the game got me back on track ..

I'm glad you're not blind to what's happening...But the above seems to back all the people calling you a religious fanatic.  Stay the straight path, Raiden.

Originally posted by xzyax

Originally posted by daarco

I hate the beta leak videos. Not many seem to understand what they are seeing.

 

Unfortunately for DarkFall's fans... the "unofficial" information is the main source of information; and in some cases the ONLY source. 

Now .... now dont start complaining now because this silence by developers has been going on for a long, long time. If you start moaning now you'll get bitter and by release you'll love aventurine as much as the majority on these boards. i.e. not a lot.

Mind you, the beta videos all look like complete shit by the way. Baaad animation and uninspired fights. I wont even say what the sound effects are like. Oh god I feel the need to for a FFA PvP MMO is about to drive us all onto the rocks. I salute the people that buy this game early and carry on playing. Brave souls. But pray do tell what exactly am I not "seeing". ;)

And I know like VG ... someone is about to shout its a beta. I've got your beta right here up my... -CUT-

Originally posted by DarthRaiden

Guess all these quotes are around the Jan 15 announcement..yes it had me upset for a few days that they didn't released Jan 22 and the fact about pre orders..

i still will not pre order  and don't suggest anyone to pre order..the amount of leaks however occured after Jan 22 ..calmed me plus the fact a guildie has now access to first hand impressions ;)..and the amount of unjustified hate raised during 22th Jan towards the game got me back on track ..

 

Well I guess you'll have to forgive some of us who haven't flip-flopped back and forth with our attitude of Aventurine and Tasos.

I am still waiting for exactly what you claimed you wanted with those quotes.

1) The NDA to lift

2) Major media to be allowed in

Until they do that ( just like you did) I see much that worries me about this company.   That's it in a nutshell.  If they want us all to "see the light" then they just need to lift the NDA. 

Not too hard for a game that is in such great shape and ready for Release.