Originally posted by Hatsoff2u

 The whole guild on vent doing world PVP, it'll be like the old pre-MC days when it was just 15 or so of us, but with a lot more experience and a bigger team (around 40 people are buying the game tomorrow morning, some are downloading it already tonight)

No it won't, specially on hirn. you'll deploy 40 guys to world pvp, and destro will just avoid your warband because it is much faster to gain renown by taking undefended  keeps and battle objectives. On the pre-mc days your 15 man squad would zerg terran mill, and the horde (from what i gather you play alliance) would mainly dig it out.  On war 75% of the times your opposition will be more worried about Renown points and brawling in the middle of that will just slow the rp/hour ratio. (ok to be fair, at sundays people are a bit more violent but and predisposed to dig it out).

Despite that, i'll welcome you in k-hirn., mainly because it means that in maybe in a month or so we might have actually some t4 scenarios up or something.... cause the last 6 hours I passed in a scenario queue (with no scenario prompt).  

Originally posted by Dkevlar

Originally posted by Hatsoff2u

 The whole guild on vent doing world PVP, it'll be like the old pre-MC days when it was just 15 or so of us, but with a lot more experience and a bigger team (around 40 people are buying the game tomorrow morning, some are downloading it already tonight)

 

No it won't, specially on hirn. you'll deploy 40 guys to world pvp, and destro will just avoid your warband because it is much faster to gain renown by taking undefended  keeps and battle objectives. On the pre-mc days your 15 man squad would zerg terran mill, and the horde (from what i gather you play alliance) would mainly dig it out.  On war 75% of the times your opposition will be more worried about Renown points and brawling in the middle of that will just slow the rp/hour ratio.

Despite that, i'll welcome you in k-hirn., mainly because it means that in maybe in a month or so we might have actually some t4 scenarios up or something.... cause the last 6 hours I passed in a scenario queue (with no scenario prompt

Only 6 hours? Almost the first thing we did when we bought it was queue up. We figured let's do that and maybe gain a level or two before it pops. When we did finally log off 10 hours later, one of us realized we hadn't had one pop at all. That was actually one of the first uhhhhh moments. Not very encouraging considering most BG's in WoW, which is extremely PvE centric, the queue time for any BG is roughly a minute or two.

Pick a active server and play the underdog.  Sure you may get rolled but if you are an organized group you can make a name for your guild.

WAR is the most exciting MMO ever made.

blizzard totally flipped the switch after tbc to make sure everyone can get a chance to do anything in WoW, most people like the OP are crying about this now that those who have normal jobs and don't play WoW hardcore (5+ hours a night) can get a chance to virtually do a pug into raid groups with competent people and experience the content instead of vying for spots or trying to get into a high end raiding guild that will penalize you if you're not on every night. I too was in a guild like yours in tbc where we eventually cleared sunwell about 2 months after it came out and if you weren't in the "core" raid you weren't going, luckily i got in on some but the rigorous schedule was enough to keep me out most of the time. Props to blizzard for making this switch and goodluck to you and your guild in finding what you want in WAR, Im sure theres just as much to do there.

Originally posted by neller2000

 

The thing is, most people here, including myself, just don't believe your little story of moving over an entire hardcore raiding guild to a completely inferior PvE setting and in most cases PvP as well.

What is it that you're so excited about? A real army of Order showing what they can do? Showing who? The 2 or 3 players degending their main city leaving you doing an extremely repetitive and boring PvE PQ? If you got bored of WoW raids and PvE content you'll absolutely hate the PvE in WAR. It's obvious you're very biased and to be honest you sound like that propraganda guy we've seen in all those videos hyping WAR up a thousand times more fun than it ever was to play.

 

Im sorry nelle but you are the one sounding as a propagandist here, he is in Warhammer forum showing his interest in Warhammer, there is absolute no point for you to try to convince everyone War is boring and no one should leave WoW, see, it is a matter of opinion and you are trying to expose that as the only real true, I know a lot of people that found WoW boring and War fun and exciting.

I will give you an example, see if you understand.

Some one is leaving Lineage2 and enjoy Raid, he goes to WoW forum and ask about WoW (it doesnt matter what he says about L2 as he is in WoW forum, not L2) and says: " I, a raider want to start to play WoW , wich side should I chose" ... then I go there and say: "Why go to WoW to raid if Everquest 2 raids are much, much more deeper, harder, fun, and well done (and this is a reality, raider in WoW is simple and easy if we compare to EQ2)".

What would you think? Can you see now what you are doing?

You dont know if he will absolute hate PvE in War after WoW, this is only your opinion, not a fact.

And by the way, I can say the same to you "It's obvious you're very biased and to be honest you sound like that propraganda WOW guy "

Would you find productive if I went to WoW´s forum and said, why play WoW if War pvp and classes are better and if Vanguard´s and EQ2´s pve are better (in my opinion)?

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Originally posted by neller2000

Originally posted by Dkevlar

Originally posted by Hatsoff2u

 The whole guild on vent doing world PVP, it'll be like the old pre-MC days when it was just 15 or so of us, but with a lot more experience and a bigger team (around 40 people are buying the game tomorrow morning, some are downloading it already tonight)

 

No it won't, specially on hirn. you'll deploy 40 guys to world pvp, and destro will just avoid your warband because it is much faster to gain renown by taking undefended  keeps and battle objectives. On the pre-mc days your 15 man squad would zerg terran mill, and the horde (from what i gather you play alliance) would mainly dig it out.  On war 75% of the times your opposition will be more worried about Renown points and brawling in the middle of that will just slow the rp/hour ratio.

Despite that, i'll welcome you in k-hirn., mainly because it means that in maybe in a month or so we might have actually some t4 scenarios up or something.... cause the last 6 hours I passed in a scenario queue (with no scenario prompt

Only 6 hours? Almost the first thing we did when we bought it was queue up. We figured let's do that and maybe gain a level or two before it pops. When we did finally log off 10 hours later, one of us realized we hadn't had one pop at all. That was actually one of the first uhhhhh moments. Not very encouraging considering most BG's in WoW, which is extremely PvE centric, the queue time for any BG is roughly a minute or two.

well i was in game from 18:00 to 00:15 or so... so 6 hours,,, i guess if I had started playing at 14:00 i would have said 10 hours... but the average here is 3 scenarios in a day.... on lucky days maybe 4.... being the average time of inside a  scenario 12 minutes... oh yeah and as anyone in EU can see, it is 02:00 , i'm still up and writing on a forum... not playing the game... since there is nothing to do... 

yeah wow is pretty crappy....but your going TO WAR?? BIG mistake, games more dead than wow, and garbage to boot, have fun thou!

Originally posted by Umbral

Originally posted by neller2000

 

The thing is, most people here, including myself, just don't believe your little story of moving over an entire hardcore raiding guild to a completely inferior PvE setting and in most cases PvP as well.

What is it that you're so excited about? A real army of Order showing what they can do? Showing who? The 2 or 3 players degending their main city leaving you doing an extremely repetitive and boring PvE PQ? If you got bored of WoW raids and PvE content you'll absolutely hate the PvE in WAR. It's obvious you're very biased and to be honest you sound like that propraganda guy we've seen in all those videos hyping WAR up a thousand times more fun than it ever was to play.

 

 

Im sorry nelle but you are the one sounding as a propagandist here, he is in Warhammer forum showing his interest in Warhammer, there is absolute no point for you to try to convince everyone War is boring and no one should leave WoW, see, it is a matter of opinion and you are trying to expose that as the only real true, I know a lot of people that found WoW boring and War fun and exciting.

I will give you an example, see if you understand.

Some one is leaving Lineage2 and enjoy Raid, he goes to WoW forum and ask about WoW (it doesnt matter what he says about L2 as he is in WoW forum, not L2) and says: " I, a raider want to start to play WoW , wich side should I chose" ... then I go there and say: "Why go to WoW to raid if Everquest 2 raids are much, much more deeper, harder, fun, and well done (and this is a reality, raider in WoW is simple and easy if we compare to EQ2)".

What would you think? Can you see now what you are doing?

You dont know if he will absolute hate PvE in War after WoW, this is only your opinion, not a fact.

And by the way, I can say the same to you "It's obvious you're very biased and to be honest you sound like that propraganda WOW guy "

Would you find productive if I went to WoW´s forum and said, why play WoW if War pvp and classes are better and if Vanguard´s and EQ2´s pve are better (in my opinion)?

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Where did I ever tell him to play WoW or any other game for that matter? I'm in a thread about WoW, if you bothered to read the title the thread is about WoW being dead. Funny, I didn't get that memo.
 

And as far as his whole WoW guild thing, sorry, don't believe him. This whole thread was made for one purpose only, WAR fanboism and WoW trashing.

Well, you could try going there. The WoW forums went from being 50% WAR fanboi propaganda until about 2 weeks past launch. Then it suddenly and very mysteriously died. Gee, I wonder why. The massive daily posts of WAR is coming! and WAR wil be everywhere! and WAR has awesome HUGE SCALE ARMIES AT WAR! suddenly seemed VERY empty. Most people who did try for a few days didn't find any WAR, not to mention they barely even found a good amount of PvP. Hell, just by reading the Ratings comments on WAR it's obvious it's being hyped into oblivion still.

No, I'm actually more so pissed as Mythic for promising something entirely different than what was delivered. All the massive hyping from their side and that idiot we all saw in the many videos explaining how "awesome" it was when you "pillage, murder and BURN the capitol city to the ground YAY!! YAY!!" which in reality turned out to be a big huge puff and no bang.

I was more than ready to switch from WoW to WAR since I much prefer PvP to PvE. After having really honestly tried to make myself like it, and my friends for that matter as well, it was just too amazingly unfinished, laggy even with nothing going on and with good setups, to not even having a tiny miniscule amount of the promised endgame and what was there was mainly PvE.

Very very disappointed with WAR and the empty promises.

Hope you enjoy WAR!

I really suggest going on one of the high pop servers though.

It makes the game a lot more fun.

Originally posted by neller2000

Where did I ever tell him to play WoW or any other game for that matter? I'm in a thread about WoW, if you bothered to read the title the thread is about WoW being dead. Funny, I didn't get that memo.
 

WoW is dead to him, you dont need to come over here to defend WoW´s image, this is War forum.

And as far as his whole WoW guild thing, sorry, don't believe him. This whole thread was made for one purpose only, WAR fanboism and WoW trashing.

You dont belive? It is your problem, answer his questions about War or let it for people that know the game, why are you offended by WoW "trashing" if it is not in a wow forum, it is not a place where people who want information about WoW come, he enjoyed WoW but today WoW is dead to him, is this forbiden?

Well, you could try going there. The WoW forums went from being 50% WAR fanboi propaganda until about 2 weeks past launch. Then it suddenly and very mysteriously died. Gee, I wonder why. The massive daily posts of WAR is coming! and WAR wil be everywhere! and WAR has awesome HUGE SCALE ARMIES AT WAR! suddenly seemed VERY empty. Most people who did try for a few days didn't find any WAR, not to mention they barely even found a good amount of PvP. Hell, just by reading the Ratings comments on WAR it's obvious it's being hyped into oblivion still.

You are searching  revenge for this?

And  I have no interest to go to WoW forum and talk about (or defend) Everquest 2, Vanguard,GW,L2, Requiem and Warhammer (6 games that I like more than WoW) I can do this in their respective forums, what I dont understand is your revenge/propaganda here, my exemple was a reference of what you are doing.

No, I'm actually more so pissed as Mythic for promising something entirely different than what was delivered. All the massive hyping from their side and that idiot we all saw in the many videos explaining how "awesome" it was when you "pillage, murder and BURN the capitol city to the ground YAY!! YAY!!" which in reality turned out to be a big huge puff and no bang.

Why are you pissed? You play WoW not Warhammer.

Warhammer was always showed in a realistic manner, if you were seduced by Paul enthusiasm, the issue is with you, they delivered exacly what they always showed.

The game has issues, performance can improve and the game need a bit more content (content they are adding month by month), the missing cities were anounced before release, so it was not a unexpected issue... it is a huge puff to you, but there are a lot of people having a blast.

Very very disappointed with WAR and the empty promises.

I think you were not informed and with silly fantasies about the game, or should I play the same role you are playing here and say, well, I think you never had interest in War and only want to act as a WoW propaganda guy? See what you are doing?

Originally posted by Umbral

Originally posted by neller2000

Where did I ever tell him to play WoW or any other game for that matter? I'm in a thread about WoW, if you bothered to read the title the thread is about WoW being dead. Funny, I didn't get that memo.
 

WoW is dead to him, you dont need to come over here to defend WoW´s image, this is War forum.

And as far as his whole WoW guild thing, sorry, don't believe him. This whole thread was made for one purpose only, WAR fanboism and WoW trashing.

You dont belive? It is your problem, answer his questions about War or let it for people that know the game, why are you offended by WoW "trashing" if it is not in a wow forum, it is not a place where people who want information about WoW come, he enjoyed WoW but today WoW is dead to him, is this forbiden?

Well, you could try going there. The WoW forums went from being 50% WAR fanboi propaganda until about 2 weeks past launch. Then it suddenly and very mysteriously died. Gee, I wonder why. The massive daily posts of WAR is coming! and WAR wil be everywhere! and WAR has awesome HUGE SCALE ARMIES AT WAR! suddenly seemed VERY empty. Most people who did try for a few days didn't find any WAR, not to mention they barely even found a good amount of PvP. Hell, just by reading the Ratings comments on WAR it's obvious it's being hyped into oblivion still.

You are searching  revenge for this?

And  I have no interest to go to WoW forum and talk about (or defend) Everquest 2, Vanguard,GW,L2, Requiem and Warhammer (6 games that I like more than WoW) I can do this in their respective forums, what I dont understand is your revenge/propaganda here, my exemple was a reference of what you are doing.

No, I'm actually more so pissed as Mythic for promising something entirely different than what was delivered. All the massive hyping from their side and that idiot we all saw in the many videos explaining how "awesome" it was when you "pillage, murder and BURN the capitol city to the ground YAY!! YAY!!" which in reality turned out to be a big huge puff and no bang.

Why are you pissed? You play WoW not Warhammer.

Warhammer was always showed in a realistic manner, if you were seduced by Paul enthusiasm, the issue is with you, they delivered exacly what they always showed.

The game has issues, performance can improve and the game need a bit more content (content they are adding month by month), the missing cities were anounced before release, so it was not a unexpected issue... it is a huge puff to you, but there are a lot of people having a blast.

Very very disappointed with WAR and the empty promises.

I think you were not informed and with silly fantasies about the game, or should I play the same role you are playing here and say, well, I think you never had interest in War and only want to act as a WoW propaganda guy? See what you are doing?

 

I'm not trying to make anyone play WoW or any other game for that matter. I'm just telling you if it looks like a duck, sounds like a duck and swims like a duck, then most likely it IS a duck. I don't try and hide behind a very limited and sparse amount of gameplay videos showing these "huge massive armies and battles in action" prior to launch.

Or was the point the fact that I as well as many others thought the game was good but we should have known better beforehand that it was a pile of manure in all aspects like you did? Then why didn't people like you come clean and explain it the way it was? And why are people like you STILL trying to make it seem awesome? It's not awesome in even the least of ways when there's already better out there and by that I'm certainly not talking about WoW only.

With servers being merged and closed in WAR the statistics speak for themselves. People are leaving, not arriving. Don't try and hype it up still to something it's certainly not. You'll just end up pissing off even more people who sadly would go out and purchase this crap, only to find it wasn't your hyped up version that was true.

About the people having a blast, what part of your last city siege where you pillaged, murdered, killed and burnt the city to the ground would you like to explain in detail for the rest of us? Will it be the part where you did the PQ with no enemy players? Or the part where you redid it again with no enemy players? Or is it the exciting part where you did the PQ, again, with no enemy players. No no, wait, it's the part where you do that thing Mythic calls a PQ, with nothing but PvE content and calls it large scale war and siege right?

I'm certainly not talking about fantasies here. It's pretty much fact that the endgame is completely different than what was promised. There's no war, there's no large scale armies massing in. There is however a cute little redoable PvE quest. There's a different between being hyped up and downright being lied to. Most people who left felt there was nothing there at all which Mythic promised.

As far as the other games you listed, I played most of them as well. While I didn't like most of them it's obvious most of them also weren't as huge in the phail department from the getgo as WAR is.

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Originally posted by Hatsoff2u

Well WoW is pretty much dead, my raiding guild sees no point in continuing to play it as the raids are stale and the content is too easy / too boring and the PVP is totally unbalanced garbage now (most of us did a lot of arena in tbc)

My guild of ~ 60 people and another large raiding guild from our server in the EU are moving to WAR as the PVP from what little I've done with mates is awesome and we want to raid a capital city and get phat legendary lootz :D

Problem is we're having real trouble deciding between Order and Destruction, mainly because some $£*%s want to roll chaos tanks but most people want to go Order because overall people want to play dwarves and humans (we were alliance in WoW, cleared Sartharion 3 drakes over a month ago)

I need compelling arguments that show that Destruction is the wrong choice and Order is the way to go. Help!

Pretty simple option.  Play the OP classes of Des, or play the side that beats them because Order has the better players.

This is how it is on Eltharion <EU> anyway..

Since so many have their opinions ... I will only say this as a Beta and player of WAR... I quit it & returned to WoW after 4 months... WAR is not the game to enjoy.. maybe, just maybe in a yr, I may re-look into this MMO........ WoW, after several other MMOS. (DAoC was far the most enjoyable ...wish DAoC2 more then WAR) is much more (PvP server) Fun... 

Darkfall was a hopeful, n=but it isn't..

have a great day

Originally posted by Hatsoff2u

Well WoW is pretty much dead, my raiding guild sees no point in continuing to play it as the raids are stale and the content is too easy / too boring and the PVP is totally unbalanced garbage now (most of us did a lot of arena in tbc)

My guild of ~ 60 people and another large raiding guild from our server in the EU are moving to WAR as the PVP from what little I've done with mates is awesome and we want to raid a capital city and get phat legendary lootz :D

Problem is we're having real trouble deciding between Order and Destruction, mainly because some $£*%s want to roll chaos tanks but most people want to go Order because overall people want to play dwarves and humans (we were alliance in WoW, cleared Sartharion 3 drakes over a month ago)

I need compelling arguments that show that Destruction is the wrong choice and Order is the way to go. Help!

Well I hope your entire guild is going because that is the only way to find enough population to group with. I am not trying to be mean and i do currently subscribe to both games, but WAR is empty and I mean empty. I am on one of the most populated servers and have seen like 5 people the entire time. I have yet to complete any PQ's in the Empire starting area because there are not enough people to finish them in time.

IF you are indeed in a hardcore raiding guild, then you will find WAR boring. It will not have enough content for you. I am also interested why a hardcore raiding guild is so concerned with PVP. That is like me going from a PVE game and asking what PVP is like in Lineage 2.

Good luck with WAR and I hope you enjoy it; however, just because the grass looks greener, it isn't always greener.

if you want to play a game with really good PVP

get them to play eve, or L2

itch

Originally posted by neller2000

I'm not trying to make anyone play WoW or any other game for that matter. I'm just telling you if it looks like a duck, sounds like a duck and swims like a duck, then most likely it IS a duck. I don't try and hide behind a very limited and sparse amount of gameplay videos showing these "huge massive armies and battles in action" prior to launch.

-I can use the same duck argument with you.

 Just a side note, there are a lot of huge massive combats in populated servers, what they need to improve is the performance in these battles, merge low pop servers and add content.

Or was the point the fact that I as well as many others thought the game was good but we should have known better beforehand that it was a pile of manure in all aspects like you did? Then why didn't people like you come clean and explain it the way it was? And why are people like you STILL trying to make it seem awesome? It's not awesome in even the least of ways when there's already better out there and by that I'm certainly not talking about WoW only.

-What is better and what is not is a matter of OPINION, you have an issue with the difference between facts and opinions.

 Come clean? comon, are you so paranoid about this game? Dont tell me you just belive Im a "propaganda guy" now.

 You are a clear example why somethimes it is impossible to talk about games in a constructive way here, when I was in War beta and gave my impressions here I was called a hater, now you with your "angry mmo player avenger" against Warhammer and pro WoW call me a fanboi.

Awesome? I never said that about Warhammer or said the game is perfect.

 

With servers being merged and closed in WAR the statistics speak for themselves. People are leaving, not arriving. Don't try and hype it up still to something it's certainly not. You'll just end up pissing off even more people who sadly would go out and purchase this crap, only to find it wasn't your hyped up version that was true.

 Hyping what? You dont know what you are talking, so many forum cliches...

About the people having a blast, what part of your last city siege where you pillaged, murdered, killed and burnt the city to the ground would you like to explain in detail for the rest of us? Will it be the part where you did the PQ with no enemy players? Or the part where you redid it again with no enemy players? Or is it the exciting part where you did the PQ, again, with no enemy players. No no, wait, it's the part where you do that thing Mythic calls a PQ, with nothing but PvE content and calls it large scale war and siege right?

 Why should I describe all PQs, huge pvp combats, scenarios, Bastion runs here and describe in details all the fun people had to you? You dont like the game, I have nothing against it, but your avenger posture is not original and just boring, there is no point to talk about the war "or any game with you" with you acting like that.

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As far as the other games you listed, I played most of them as well. While I didn't like most of them it's obvious most of them also weren't as huge in the phail department from the getgo as WAR is.

So have fun playing the games you do like and stop this avenger silly, cliche attitude that doesnt reflect the game today and it is by no means productive.

Have a nice day calling everyone that doesnt share your opinion a fanboi.

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Originally posted by Spaceweed10 

Pretty simple option.  Play the OP classes of Des, or play the side that beats them because Order has the better players.

This is how it is on Eltharion <EU> anyway..

What OP Destruction classes?

IB better than BG 

RP best healer in this game

WP stronger than DoK

BW better than Sorc

Eng is performing better than Magus

Kotbs is performing better than Chosen

WH is on par with WE

While the marging of superiority is small, they are stronger than Dest classes, so I really think you have a false impression of Dest classes, just check Warhammer alliance, this is not just my opinion, I dont see this as a real imbalance, but Dest classes are by no mean OP.

To tell the truth, there is no real OP classe in Warhammer only stronger mirrors (usually by the Order side) that doesnt really change the final result.

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Originally posted by neller2000

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So neller, tell me wich Destruction classes are OP and why.

I think now you showed your true collors and your real reason around here, right?

Originally posted by Umbral

Originally posted by neller2000

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So neller, tell me wich Destruction classes are OP.

 

I really wouldn't know, in the last 20 or so days no scenarios were open and no enemies were around. I can tell you my squig herder is good at killing monsters though. If I wanted PvP I guess I should have listened better to the parts where the devs and community managers constantly bombarded me with obvious information that that was to be the mainstay of the game experience.

It's certainly not fun to wait 10+ hours daily and not have ONE single scenario(BG) open up.

Originally posted by neller2000

 

I really wouldn't know, in the last 20 or so days no scenarios were open and no enemies were around. I can tell you my squig herder is good at killing monsters though. If I wanted PvP I guess I should have listened better to the parts where the devs and community managers constantly bombarded me with obvious information that that was to be the mainstay of the game experience.

It's certainly not fun to wait 10+ hours daily and not have ONE single scenario(BG) open up.

You dont know, so you prefered to use personal attacks, right?

In populated servers it was and it is easy to get into scenarios from t1 to t4, no more than minutes of queue, Mythic really messed up opening too many servers and I know a lot of people who choose low pop servers have and had issues with RvR and Scenarios, but the fact you proved you dont know much about the game and the way you used personal attacks  show your real intention here.