Title says all. Why? It dosent make any sence at all. Please, somebody give me awnsers

Examples:

Maplestory: A free 2D mmo which consists of grinding everyday for 3 years to reach the max level. Combat is composed of holding down a button, spamming attacks, and waiting for a moster to die. Praticially the entire game is grinding. There really isnt even a "story" to maplestory, which shows how much thought they put into the game. Maplestory has a problem with hackers, and gold farmers, typicial of Eastern mmo's.

Runescape: A free 3D mmo where you pay 7$ a month for more areas, and more skills to grind for. There idea of  "upgrading" the game is taking out there most popular feature of the game and losing over 3 million players. That was in 2004? i think. To this day they still dont have as many players as they used to. Combat is slow paced and booring. It consists of clicking on a monster and waiting for it to die. Theres not even skills (the icon type) to press to do different attacks! You just click and wait.. and occasionally eat food when your health is low.

World of Warcraft: I dont think i dont even have to explain.

So..yeah.. it dosent make any sence does it?

Originally posted by luckypotato

Title says all. Why? It dosent make any sence at all. Please, somebody give me awnsers

Examples:

Maplestory: A free 2D mmo which consists of grinding everyday for 3 years to reach the max level. Combat is composed of holding down a button, spamming attacks, and waiting for a moster to die. Praticially the entire game is grinding. There really isnt even a "story" to maplestory, which shows how much thought they put into the game. Maplestory has a problem with hackers, and gold farmers, typicial of Eastern mmo's.

Runescape: A free 3D mmo where you pay 7$ a month for more areas, and more skills to grind for. There idea of  "upgrading" the game is taking out there most popular feature of the game and losing over 3 million players. That was in 2004? i think. To this day they still dont have as many players as they used to. Combat is slow paced and booring. It consists of clicking on a monster and waiting for it to die. Theres not even skills (the icon type) to press to do different attacks! You just click and wait.. and occasionally eat food when your health is low.

 

World of Warcraft: I dont think i dont even have to explain.

 

So..yeah.. it dosent make any sence does it?

Because people disagree with you what makes a game good/bad. IE WoW, they must be doing something right if so many people play. And dont give me that " Its the only good game out right now" bullshit. That is a true cop out if I ever heard it. Save your money and wait for that good game instead of wasting it on one you dont even like.

Last time I checked, ppl were still entitled to their own opinion as to what makes a game the worst or the best and will spend their money accordingly.  True story.

There are people with more free time than skill.  As such, there is money to be made by making games that cater to such people, even if people with more skill than free time will think those games are awful.

Furthermore, if you think the games you listed are the worst MMOs, try picking some at random from the list to the left.  You'll probably hit on something with just as much grinding and considerably less polish sooner or later.  Or maybe even one that won't run, period. 

Originally posted by Bigbear2006

Originally posted by luckypotato

Title says all. Why? It dosent make any sence at all. Please, somebody give me awnsers

Examples:

Maplestory: A free 2D mmo which consists of grinding everyday for 3 years to reach the max level. Combat is composed of holding down a button, spamming attacks, and waiting for a moster to die. Praticially the entire game is grinding. There really isnt even a "story" to maplestory, which shows how much thought they put into the game. Maplestory has a problem with hackers, and gold farmers, typicial of Eastern mmo's.

Runescape: A free 3D mmo where you pay 7$ a month for more areas, and more skills to grind for. There idea of  "upgrading" the game is taking out there most popular feature of the game and losing over 3 million players. That was in 2004? i think. To this day they still dont have as many players as they used to. Combat is slow paced and booring. It consists of clicking on a monster and waiting for it to die. Theres not even skills (the icon type) to press to do different attacks! You just click and wait.. and occasionally eat food when your health is low.

 

World of Warcraft: I dont think i dont even have to explain.

 

So..yeah.. it dosent make any sence does it?

Because people disagree with you what makes a game good/bad. IE WoW, they must be doing something right if so many people play. And dont give me that " Its the only good game out right now" bullshit. That is a true cop out if I ever heard it. Save your money and wait for that good game instead of wasting it on one you dont even like.

Hmm.. true, different people do have different openions, but is it just me or are these game the type where when you first play it your like "OMFG THIS IS THE BEST THING EVER!" and then down the line you go "Wow..that got booring real fast..this game sucks.."

kinda went off topic didnt we?

Maplestory I haven't played, but Runescape and WoW are not bad games, those are just your opinions, RS was fun when I played it, sure the combat wasn't all that since it was just click, but you had the freedom that was lacking in other mmos simply because it is/was a sandbox, the crafting and quests in rs were some of the best of any mmo that is out right now, cant say about old SWG or UO since I never got to play them when they were good, although you are right that jagex has pretty much destroyed the game now so it does stink now, and WoW is not a bad game, it's just an easy game and that's why many people find it entertaining, it's also probably the most polished mmo, people just hate on WoW because it's not what they want it to be.

Originally posted by Quizzical

There are people with more free time than skill.  As such, there is money to be made by making games that cater to such people, even if people with more skill than free time will think those games are awful.

Furthermore, if you think the games you listed are the worst MMOs, try picking some at random from the list to the left.  You'll probably hit on something with just as much grinding and considerably less polish sooner or later.  Or maybe even one that won't run, period. 

Hmm.. true, never thought of it that way. So basicially all a developer would have to do to make a successfull game is make a polished grindfest? Interesting..

Haha, totally true. There are some HORRIBLE games out there, but what i ment is that some very popular games are (imo) shit. excuse my french.

Originally posted by luckypotato

Originally posted by Bigbear2006

Originally posted by luckypotato

Title says all. Why? It dosent make any sence at all. Please, somebody give me awnsers

Examples:

Maplestory: A free 2D mmo which consists of grinding everyday for 3 years to reach the max level. Combat is composed of holding down a button, spamming attacks, and waiting for a moster to die. Praticially the entire game is grinding. There really isnt even a "story" to maplestory, which shows how much thought they put into the game. Maplestory has a problem with hackers, and gold farmers, typicial of Eastern mmo's.

Runescape: A free 3D mmo where you pay 7$ a month for more areas, and more skills to grind for. There idea of  "upgrading" the game is taking out there most popular feature of the game and losing over 3 million players. That was in 2004? i think. To this day they still dont have as many players as they used to. Combat is slow paced and booring. It consists of clicking on a monster and waiting for it to die. Theres not even skills (the icon type) to press to do different attacks! You just click and wait.. and occasionally eat food when your health is low.

 

World of Warcraft: I dont think i dont even have to explain.

 

So..yeah.. it dosent make any sence does it?

Because people disagree with you what makes a game good/bad. IE WoW, they must be doing something right if so many people play. And dont give me that " Its the only good game out right now" bullshit. That is a true cop out if I ever heard it. Save your money and wait for that good game instead of wasting it on one you dont even like.

Hmm.. true, different people do have different openions, but is it just me or are these game the type where when you first play it your like "OMFG THIS IS THE BEST THING EVER!" and then down the line you go "Wow..that got booring real fast..this game sucks.."

kinda went off topic didnt we?

Oh yes I believe WoW, Runescape,and Maplestory to be very very poor games. The lack of story astounds me, and the mediocre gameplay is stunning. Granted LOTRO doesnt have the best gameplay around, at least I enjoy the story.

Originally posted by link35

Maplestory I haven't played, but Runescape and WoW are not bad games, those are just your opinions, RS was fun when I played it, sure the combat wasn't all that since it was just click, but you had the freedom that was lacking in other mmos simply because it is/was a sandbox, the crafting and quests in rs were some of the best of any mmo that is out right now, cant say about old SWG or UO since I never got to play them when they were good, although you are right that jagex has pretty much destroyed the game now so it does stink now, and WoW is not a bad game, it's just an easy game and that's why many people find it entertaining, it's also probably the most polished mmo, people just hate on WoW because it's not what they want it to be.

Dont even waste your time downloading Maplestory. Then again you might have different tastes than i do.. but i personally dont reccomend it.

Anyway, yes.. i will say that before Jagex DISTROYED there own game. It was my favorite mmorpg out of all the MMO's. It does have some great features, some of which i hope that other mmorpg's learn from. The point and click combat was actually a good concept when it came to PvP. As it was already past paced enough.. plus you had the hole "omfg im going to lose all my gear".. so your adrenaline was pumping which make combat seem even faster paced.

Imo it was the best PvP ever created, too bad they took the easy way out of fixing there RWT problem and took out there entire pvp system.

As for wow.. the real killer of the game is the horrid community.

On a graphical standpoint since the majority of the new-gen gamers only want bling instead of good gameplay and content!  As my parents told me all the time when I was younger how the music and things they grew up with was the best to them and the new stuff to me was eh to them I've come to agree with them.

I grew up on the Atari, Colecovision and NES and I love that old-style 2D graphics and hard content that you had to really think about and it took time to figure out.  I also love a harsh death penalty, loss of XP, levels and even corpse runs.

Now you look at today's gen of gamers and its entirely different and they like this easy-mode bling crap instead of having a challenge and using their brains...heh

So something bad to you is great to us and vice-versa and it'll be like that forever.

Originally posted by Khrymson

So something bad to you is great to us and vice-versa and it'll be like that forever.

That one line really pretty much says it all.

Originally posted by Khrymson

On a graphical standpoint since the majority of the new-gen gamers only want bling instead of good gameplay and content!  As my parents told me all the time when I was younger how the music and things they grew up with was the best to them and the new stuff to me was eh to them I've come to agree with them.

I grew up on the Atari, Colecovision and NES and I love that old-style 2D graphics and hard content that you had to really think about and it took time to figure out.  I also love a harsh death penalty, loss of XP, levels and even corpse runs.

Now you look at today's gen of gamers and its entirely different and they like this easy-mode bling crap instead of having a challenge and using their brains...heh

 

So something bad to you is great to us and vice-versa and it'll be like that forever.

Actually i completely agree with you in every way. I loooove 2D graphics, aslong as its not cutsie styled like maplestory. I also love hard content, i just hate grind. Harsh death penalty has always been one of my favorite things in mmo's.. it just makes the game more meaningfull and exciting.

I also see that alot of the newer games use horrid easy peasy gameplay and just add on X feature plus a new graphics engine.. which i hate

You sir, are my twin o-o

Originally posted by luckypotato

Hmm.. true, never thought of it that way. So basicially all a developer would have to do to make a successfull game is make a polished grindfest? Interesting..

No because WoW has already done that.  All of the 'big' games (when you come down out of the WoW-owned stratosphere) largely feed off bored WoW vets looking for challenge, meaningful PvP, better community, less grinding, or some combination of the above.

Every game since 2004 that tried to out-WoW WoW at being a 'polished grindfest' has fallen flat on its face, though LOTRO seems to have been able to reinvent iteslf somewhat.

I don't count F2P games here though, they seem to be in a different market, in all honesty.

There are narrow minded people unable to understand the differences between what is about wishes, preferences, tastes and what is objective.

You will recognize them easily because they are using often words like “best” or “worse” instead of “I like” “I love” “don’t like” “its not my taste” “I would prefer”
 

These people get confused when things are different from their own wishes and tastes.  Thats the reason they make some kind of questions.

Originally posted by luckypotato

World of Warcraft: I dont think i dont even have to explain.

 So..yeah.. it dosent make any sence does it?

Wow is 10 times better then whatever crap you're currently playing

WoW is a good game but a bad MMORPG

I've played a lot of MMORPGs by now, and my experience is that a so called good MMORPG has a lot of features, while a so called bad MMORGP excels in siimplicity...

Back to the example of WoW. IMO it's a bad MMORPG because it's so simple to learn that my son could have played it when he was 6. Does this make the game bad? To me it does, but 11Mo players disagree with me

On the other hand, some of the harder games with lots of indeapt story (the by you called good games) like Lineage II, Final Fantasy II and Lord of the Rings have their own fanbase. Gameplay is somewhat different (and in somecases rela hard), which results into a lower playerbase...

So IMO there's no real good or bad game... You'd better classify games as simple of hard. As with most things, simple games attrackt more players then the hard ones, where you realy have to achieve somerhing... 

Originally posted by luckypotato

Title says all. Why? It dosent make any sence at all. Please, somebody give me awnsers

Examples:

Maplestory: A free 2D mmo which consists of grinding everyday for 3 years to reach the max level. Combat is composed of holding down a button, spamming attacks, and waiting for a moster to die. Praticially the entire game is grinding. There really isnt even a "story" to maplestory, which shows how much thought they put into the game. Maplestory has a problem with hackers, and gold farmers, typicial of Eastern mmo's.

Runescape: A free 3D mmo where you pay 7$ a month for more areas, and more skills to grind for. There idea of  "upgrading" the game is taking out there most popular feature of the game and losing over 3 million players. That was in 2004? i think. To this day they still dont have as many players as they used to. Combat is slow paced and booring. It consists of clicking on a monster and waiting for it to die. Theres not even skills (the icon type) to press to do different attacks! You just click and wait.. and occasionally eat food when your health is low.

 

World of Warcraft: I dont think i dont even have to explain.

 

So..yeah.. it dosent make any sence does it?

They are probably popular because they are free, and child friendly. These games become popular among school kids and all their friends, oh and did i mention they are free?

Kids of a young age really do not consider the graphical quality or even the story, mechanics etc. 

.except WoW which as we all know is a special case.

I agree that WoW is a bad MMO but it is a game that is very easy to get into and plays on a calculator hence the millions of subs , if only the other big titles out there could try to make an MMO that didn't require HAL as your PC then perhaps some of the other MMO's out there would have a similar following.

Content also isn't neccessarily king, EQ1 has more content than you can shake a stick at yet it's usually one of the major factors putting off new players getting into the game, WoW has some well implemented end game content, but there is never enough of it and you literally have to wait 2 years before you get any really useful content added.

Korean devs are churning out crap on a daily basis and most westerners are wise to that fact and tend to steer clear of the multitude of 2d or martial arts based 3d MMO's like the plague, probably good for about 5 mins of play just to remind yourself how truly awful these games really are, once you have played 1 of these games you have basically played them all.

2009 will be an interesting year in regards to new MMO's, will we be seeing any due to the global downturn, will the pricing of games reflect how hard-up customers are, will the big names start to offer incentives to keep customers such as lifetime memberships, will there be more F2P?

After cutting my teeth on EQ1 back in 1999 and then moving onto to Asherons call1 and then onto the countless others since I find myself looking to go back to the single player RPG games again as I want a more linear path and one that has a real story that gets me the player totally involved in, personally I believe MMO's have gone as far as they can do at this moment in time and all we are seeing are devs who are copying the ideas of other popular MMO's, nothing truly innovative is being produced and after 10yrs of me playing MMO's I have got bored of the "Rinse & Repeat" mentality of the games I'm being asked to subscribe to.

You had to bring WoW in to it didn't you. Like, it's so bad you don't need to explain either. You're the one who doesn'tmake any 'sence'.