Originally posted by Giddian

Originally posted by Ionselon

Originally posted by Giddian

In my opinion, Vanguard had its time to shine and Failed. You can't take a 4 or 5 year old game that flopped and expect people to go balls out promoting an old game simply because the Fans think that the devs got their shit together and fixed it. People like to move forward to new things not back track to old games that didn't get it right in the first place. Wasting money on that type of advertising is throwing good money after bad. If the game is as good as you say, {and I have played it and still has the same feel to it} they should make a Vanguard 2 and release it the way they should have to begin with.
Once again, that’s my opinion
 

 

People continue to have problems with facts.  VG turns the ripe old age of 2 on January 30th, 2009, as pointed out above.

I've recently resubed to VG because of the improvements from launch.  It is easier than EQ and harder than WoW (that's not a bash, WoW fanbois) and I enjoy the playstyle it offers.  And VG is not for everyone.  No MMO is.  That is why there are so many that continue, even if they have smaller subs.  People need to recognize this and let everyone play the game(s) that they enjoy, whether others enjoy them or not.

I'll demand perfection in my MMO when I achieve perfection in myself.  Since I will never attain perfection, I can play games that aren't perfect without complaining constantly about something that I don't like.  For me, if the fun factor > frustration factor, then I will play the game.

Neon has set himself up in his mind as the Protector of the ignorant masses that play MMOs, making sure that they are not sucked into games that He has pronounced as being "Bad".   Because he does it so much to so many games, one has to conclude that doing so meets some psychological need that he has.

Game on!

Ion

 

Fine,

2 Years.

Other than getting how old the game is wrong. the rest of my comments still stand. It is still a step backward to go to this game. If you play it and like it,,, Great, Play it. but to expect a company to advertise it, There isn't enough money in it. Most people {And I do mean MOST} Once they played a game and don't like it, Move on without looking back.

Giddian I think you are beginning to see what kind of players support Vanguard. These types of fanboys really arent interested in peoples honest opinions. They only want to hear good things about the game they are playing because they desperately want more players to come and join them. Anything that goes against what is clearly an unpopular game gets dismissed even if its your honest opinion. Then you just get abuse hurled at you as the fanboys fanatical love for their games turns into hatred. Then you get the usual "Troll! Troll! Troll!" just for speaking your mind. You gotta love the Vanguard community for their high level of dedication and devotion

Originally posted by neonwire

Originally posted by Giddian

Originally posted by Ionselon

Originally posted by Giddian

In my opinion, Vanguard had its time to shine and Failed. You can't take a 4 or 5 year old game that flopped and expect people to go balls out promoting an old game simply because the Fans think that the devs got their shit together and fixed it. People like to move forward to new things not back track to old games that didn't get it right in the first place. Wasting money on that type of advertising is throwing good money after bad. If the game is as good as you say, {and I have played it and still has the same feel to it} they should make a Vanguard 2 and release it the way they should have to begin with.
Once again, that’s my opinion
 

 

People continue to have problems with facts.  VG turns the ripe old age of 2 on January 30th, 2009, as pointed out above.

I've recently resubed to VG because of the improvements from launch.  It is easier than EQ and harder than WoW (that's not a bash, WoW fanbois) and I enjoy the playstyle it offers.  And VG is not for everyone.  No MMO is.  That is why there are so many that continue, even if they have smaller subs.  People need to recognize this and let everyone play the game(s) that they enjoy, whether others enjoy them or not.

I'll demand perfection in my MMO when I achieve perfection in myself.  Since I will never attain perfection, I can play games that aren't perfect without complaining constantly about something that I don't like.  For me, if the fun factor > frustration factor, then I will play the game.

Neon has set himself up in his mind as the Protector of the ignorant masses that play MMOs, making sure that they are not sucked into games that He has pronounced as being "Bad".   Because he does it so much to so many games, one has to conclude that doing so meets some psychological need that he has.

Game on!

Ion

 

Fine,

2 Years.

Other than getting how old the game is wrong. the rest of my comments still stand. It is still a step backward to go to this game. If you play it and like it,,, Great, Play it. but to expect a company to advertise it, There isn't enough money in it. Most people {And I do mean MOST} Once they played a game and don't like it, Move on without looking back.

 

Giddian I think you are beginning to see what kind of players support Vanguard. These types of fanboys really arent interested in peoples honest opinions. They only want to hear good things about the game they are playing because they desperately want more players to come and join them. Anything that goes against what is clearly an unpopular game gets dismissed even if its your honest opinion. Then you just get abuse hurled at you as the fanboys fanatical love for their games turns into hatred. Then you get the usual "Troll! Troll! Troll!" just for speaking your mind. You gotta love the Vanguard community for their high level of dedication and devotion

No Shit! 

I agree with ya.  If these are the kind of people playing VG no wonder why the population is fucking low...

Originally posted by Ionselon

Originally posted by Giddian

In my opinion, Vanguard had its time to shine and Failed. You can't take a 4 or 5 year old game that flopped and expect people to go balls out promoting an old game simply because the Fans think that the devs got their shit together and fixed it. People like to move forward to new things not back track to old games that didn't get it right in the first place. Wasting money on that type of advertising is throwing good money after bad. If the game is as good as you say, {and I have played it and still has the same feel to it} they should make a Vanguard 2 and release it the way they should have to begin with.
Once again, that’s my opinion
 

 

People continue to have problems with facts.  VG turns the ripe old age of 2 on January 30th, 2009, as pointed out above.

I've recently resubed to VG because of the improvements from launch.  It is easier than EQ and harder than WoW (that's not a bash, WoW fanbois) and I enjoy the playstyle it offers.  And VG is not for everyone.  No MMO is.  That is why there are so many that continue, even if they have smaller subs.  People need to recognize this and let everyone play the game(s) that they enjoy, whether others enjoy them or not.

I'll demand perfection in my MMO when I achieve perfection in myself.  Since I will never attain perfection, I can play games that aren't perfect without complaining constantly about something that I don't like.  For me, if the fun factor > frustration factor, then I will play the game.

Neon has set himself up in his mind as the Protector of the ignorant masses that play MMOs, making sure that they are not sucked into games that He has pronounced as being "Bad".   Because he does it so much to so many games, one has to conclude that doing so meets some psychological need that he has.

Game on!

Ion

Yeah yeah I'm the protector of the peasant hordes and all that.......in your mind maybe. There was me thinking I was just typing my opinions in a forum.

Anyway after all of this wonderful debating which has actually been rather amusing, guess what I'm gonna do? I'm gonna resubscribe to Vanguard and give it another shot.......not that I should of course as I'm just an evil troll.

This will be the 4th time now. The last time I managed to keep playing for about a week and a half before all the games various issues and boredom made me lose interest. However this time I'm actually gonna make a real effort to stick with it. My intention is that I will try to play through a reasonable chunk of the game, trying out all the different aspects of the game as much as I can (eg crafting, diplomacy and combat) and then later I might come back and give an honest review of the game and also try and remain as neutral as possible. If after the 4th visit I am still unimpressed with the game and people continue to fling abuse at me for speaking honestly then I can rest my case that the Vanguard community are bunch of fanatical arse wipes. However ya never know I might actually start to like the game. If that does happen then I promise to say so as I dont have a problem with that.

Its gonna be challenging though because I'm actually not a huge fan of story-telling pure pve games (gosh! I bet you didnt guess!) but I will keep that in mind and also mention it if and when I bother to review the game.

Anyway here are a few questions I have about the game.

1. What is the best server to pick population and reputation-wise?

2. Is the Trial Isle really the best starting place? I didnt think much of it when I went there. What other starting places would people recommend?

3. Actually......any suggestions would be welcome (sorry thats not a question lol)

OK so I cant really say fairer than that can I. You fanboys should be quite happy because despite the fact that some of you have acted like complete twats (me too as well of course......being a twat can be fun ya know), as a result of talking on a forum a "troll" has decided to have another look at your precious under-appreciated game. That means I am paying a small amount of money that goes towards future improvements for Vanguard which is just the thing Vanguards fans have been asking for.

Oh and one last thing. I know this sounds really anal but I'm really not interested in hearing advice from kids and teenagers as its unlikely that their opinion will have any relevance to me. I'm 33 years old so I would preferably like to hear opinions on the above questions from adults if thats possible.

Originally posted by neonwire

Originally posted by Ionselon

Originally posted by Giddian

In my opinion, Vanguard had its time to shine and Failed. You can't take a 4 or 5 year old game that flopped and expect people to go balls out promoting an old game simply because the Fans think that the devs got their shit together and fixed it. People like to move forward to new things not back track to old games that didn't get it right in the first place. Wasting money on that type of advertising is throwing good money after bad. If the game is as good as you say, {and I have played it and still has the same feel to it} they should make a Vanguard 2 and release it the way they should have to begin with.
Once again, that’s my opinion
 

 

People continue to have problems with facts.  VG turns the ripe old age of 2 on January 30th, 2009, as pointed out above.

I've recently resubed to VG because of the improvements from launch.  It is easier than EQ and harder than WoW (that's not a bash, WoW fanbois) and I enjoy the playstyle it offers.  And VG is not for everyone.  No MMO is.  That is why there are so many that continue, even if they have smaller subs.  People need to recognize this and let everyone play the game(s) that they enjoy, whether others enjoy them or not.

I'll demand perfection in my MMO when I achieve perfection in myself.  Since I will never attain perfection, I can play games that aren't perfect without complaining constantly about something that I don't like.  For me, if the fun factor > frustration factor, then I will play the game.

Neon has set himself up in his mind as the Protector of the ignorant masses that play MMOs, making sure that they are not sucked into games that He has pronounced as being "Bad".   Because he does it so much to so many games, one has to conclude that doing so meets some psychological need that he has.

Game on!

Ion

 

1. What is the best server to pick population and reputation-wise?

2. Is the Trial Isle really the best starting place? I didnt think much of it when I went there. What other starting places would people recommend?

3. Actually......any suggestions would be welcome (sorry thats not a question lol)

Nice, i'm 26 years old, heading towards 27 this year.

1. For a european i'd say Halgar(EU) and for an american i'd say Seradon, but the choice is ofc yours to make.

2. Yes, The trial Isle, or Isle of Dawn, is actually the best option. Why? Well, you get pretty decent gear, a whole armor set if you do all the quests wich will take you roughky about a day, depending on your play style. Some people manages it on a few hours. And also for the crafting aspects and diplo aspects, since it's really helpful and ofc nice gear to go there as well.

3. Try not to go into the game with a somewhat negative outlook, then you will always find a lot of bad things, try to be open minded, try to talk to people in an encouraging way, it can take you a long way.

Good luck.

Cheers.

Originally posted by ougarit

 Vanguard had an hard launch, but SOE did nothing imo to save this game.  No relaunch, no addon, nothing to give this idea, this brillant idea a real future.

You are actually very, very wrong there. Here, please click on this link and you'll see the numerous fixes and updates this game has had the past 2 years.

vgplayers.station.sony.com/

Cheers.

I'm sorry farandir but the last time played VG was last month. 

And you can trust me if i say i'm sorry for this great game. Really. I won' t bash the game, i won't bash Sigil or BMQ. But I 'll never pay again for SOE games.

Now i understand why ex SWG players (pre NGE) can't pay anymore for these games. SOE has in theory the best MMOS but , don't know why , they ALWAYS make BAD decisions. (the worst imo) They put a lot of money on old games (SWG and Eq2) but never on new ones (VG and POTBS).

Originally posted by Farandir

Originally posted by neonwire

Originally posted by Ionselon

Originally posted by Giddian

In my opinion, Vanguard had its time to shine and Failed. You can't take a 4 or 5 year old game that flopped and expect people to go balls out promoting an old game simply because the Fans think that the devs got their shit together and fixed it. People like to move forward to new things not back track to old games that didn't get it right in the first place. Wasting money on that type of advertising is throwing good money after bad. If the game is as good as you say, {and I have played it and still has the same feel to it} they should make a Vanguard 2 and release it the way they should have to begin with.
Once again, that’s my opinion
 

 

People continue to have problems with facts.  VG turns the ripe old age of 2 on January 30th, 2009, as pointed out above.

I've recently resubed to VG because of the improvements from launch.  It is easier than EQ and harder than WoW (that's not a bash, WoW fanbois) and I enjoy the playstyle it offers.  And VG is not for everyone.  No MMO is.  That is why there are so many that continue, even if they have smaller subs.  People need to recognize this and let everyone play the game(s) that they enjoy, whether others enjoy them or not.

I'll demand perfection in my MMO when I achieve perfection in myself.  Since I will never attain perfection, I can play games that aren't perfect without complaining constantly about something that I don't like.  For me, if the fun factor > frustration factor, then I will play the game.

Neon has set himself up in his mind as the Protector of the ignorant masses that play MMOs, making sure that they are not sucked into games that He has pronounced as being "Bad".   Because he does it so much to so many games, one has to conclude that doing so meets some psychological need that he has.

Game on!

Ion

 

1. What is the best server to pick population and reputation-wise?

2. Is the Trial Isle really the best starting place? I didnt think much of it when I went there. What other starting places would people recommend?

3. Actually......any suggestions would be welcome (sorry thats not a question lol)

 

Nice, i'm 26 years old, heading towards 27 this year.

1. For a european i'd say Halgar(EU) and for an american i'd say Seradon, but the choice is ofc yours to make.

2. Yes, The trial Isle, or Isle of Dawn, is actually the best option. Why? Well, you get pretty decent gear, a whole armor set if you do all the quests wich will take you roughky about a day, depending on your play style. Some people manages it on a few hours. And also for the crafting aspects and diplo aspects, since it's really helpful and ofc nice gear to go there as well.

3. Try not to go into the game with a somewhat negative outlook, then you will always find a lot of bad thing, try to be open minded, try to talk to people in an encouraging way, it can take you a long way.

 

Good luck.

 

Cheers.

Thanks for the advice and sorry we had to get nasty with each other earlier over something silly like a game.

About point 2 though......yeah gear is nice but its not the be-all-end-all for me. As its a PvE game I'm not in any real competition with anyone so I'm not really trying to "be the best"......although I do understand it helps to be better equipped in a group of course.

If I was to choose one of the original starter areas which would you recommend? Or would you strongly recommend against doing that? I'm thinking that they might be very empty......or would this not be the case?

Also I actually have no intention of going into the game looking for all the bad points. I'm gonna try and treat it as though I have never played the game before. Being open-minded is easy

Originally posted by ougarit

i'm sorry farandir but the last time played VG was last month. 

And you can trust me if i say i'm sorry for this great game. Really. I won' t bash the game, i won't bash Sigil or BMQ. I 'll never pay for SOE games. Now i understand why ex SWG players (pre NGE) can't pay anymore for these games.

SOE has in theory the best MMOS but , don't know why , they ALWAYS make BAD decisions.

Ah, ok, sorry then. Too bad you feel the way you do. But, it's like that with everything, everyone can't be happy about the same cake, taste differs and always will.

Originally posted by neonwire

Originally posted by Farandir

Originally posted by neonwire

Originally posted by Ionselon

Originally posted by Giddian

In my opinion, Vanguard had its time to shine and Failed. You can't take a 4 or 5 year old game that flopped and expect people to go balls out promoting an old game simply because the Fans think that the devs got their shit together and fixed it. People like to move forward to new things not back track to old games that didn't get it right in the first place. Wasting money on that type of advertising is throwing good money after bad. If the game is as good as you say, {and I have played it and still has the same feel to it} they should make a Vanguard 2 and release it the way they should have to begin with.
Once again, that’s my opinion
 

 

People continue to have problems with facts.  VG turns the ripe old age of 2 on January 30th, 2009, as pointed out above.

I've recently resubed to VG because of the improvements from launch.  It is easier than EQ and harder than WoW (that's not a bash, WoW fanbois) and I enjoy the playstyle it offers.  And VG is not for everyone.  No MMO is.  That is why there are so many that continue, even if they have smaller subs.  People need to recognize this and let everyone play the game(s) that they enjoy, whether others enjoy them or not.

I'll demand perfection in my MMO when I achieve perfection in myself.  Since I will never attain perfection, I can play games that aren't perfect without complaining constantly about something that I don't like.  For me, if the fun factor > frustration factor, then I will play the game.

Neon has set himself up in his mind as the Protector of the ignorant masses that play MMOs, making sure that they are not sucked into games that He has pronounced as being "Bad".   Because he does it so much to so many games, one has to conclude that doing so meets some psychological need that he has.

Game on!

Ion

 

1. What is the best server to pick population and reputation-wise?

2. Is the Trial Isle really the best starting place? I didnt think much of it when I went there. What other starting places would people recommend?

3. Actually......any suggestions would be welcome (sorry thats not a question lol)

 

Nice, i'm 26 years old, heading towards 27 this year.

1. For a european i'd say Halgar(EU) and for an american i'd say Seradon, but the choice is ofc yours to make.

2. Yes, The trial Isle, or Isle of Dawn, is actually the best option. Why? Well, you get pretty decent gear, a whole armor set if you do all the quests wich will take you roughky about a day, depending on your play style. Some people manages it on a few hours. And also for the crafting aspects and diplo aspects, since it's really helpful and ofc nice gear to go there as well.

3. Try not to go into the game with a somewhat negative outlook, then you will always find a lot of bad thing, try to be open minded, try to talk to people in an encouraging way, it can take you a long way.

 

Good luck.

 

Cheers.

 

Thanks for the advice and sorry we had to get nasty with each other earlier over something silly like a game.

About point 2 though......yeah gear is nice but its not the be-all-end-all for me. As its a PvE game I'm not in any real competition with anyone so I'm not really trying to "be the best"......although I do understand it helps to be better equipped in a group of course.

If I was to choose one of the original starter areas which would you recommend? Or would you strongly recommend against doing that? I'm thinking that they might be very empty......or would this not be the case?

Also I actually have no intention of going into the game looking for all the bad points. I'm gonna try and treat it as though I have never played the game before. Being open-minded is easy

 Not just in a group, but for your own protection as well.

Yes, I would say that the original starting areas aren't exactly what you could call crowded(I haven't tried them all yet though, tried a few mostly for the scenery), you might find someone here and there though. So scenery-wise, i'd recommend the original areas for sure, since some starting areas are really beautiful. It's up to you. It's when you get up in your 15's and 20's when it actually starts getting crowded for real(except Isle of Dawn wich usually is 40+ most of the nights(the list cuts short after 40 when you type /who for "chunk"(area) or /who all for whole server population.).

But just to try the game, i'd recommed IoD just to get a "mini-feeling" since the whole island is a tutorial and a very helpful one. But try whatever you like, just trying to help here that's all.

I don't really know what you're looking for, a crowded area or just a good feeling and a beautiful enviroment, so it's hard to say. Coz you can find them all in the game

Cheers.

Originally posted by ougarit

Agree with the OP. VG could be the best mmo in SOE's collection. But this company don't care about VG. 

Craft and diplo are interesting but this game needs more than a small team and a small budget to be a real mmo. Ftm (and i tried vg many times) it's only a beta,  not a final release. 2 years now, no addon, nothing changed,always a lot of bugs, tchat is buggy, pet is buggy, a shame.

Always unplayable, 2 years after the release.

Last time played VG ? December 2008. Can play AOC with medium/high settings, no pb with War, no pb with Lotro etc.  And VG isn't a seamless world because of chunks.  (VG's chunks are a nightmare, a nightmare). Wow, lotro , DAOC, SWG are seamless worlds.)

 

Concept and gameplay are great  but the game is one of the worst i played. Unplayable. It's time to say goodbye to VG and try new games (solo or mmorpg)

 

"Giddian I think you are beginning to see what kind of players support Vanguard. These types of fanboys really arent interested in peoples honest opinions. They only want to hear good things about the game they are playing because they desperately want more players to come and join them. .. "

 

Agree.    it's a trap. 

*********
Played a lot of mmos last years:

- if you're looking for a solid PVE mmo, try Wow (even i don't like it and played 1 month in 2005), eq2 (i played 2 months) or lotro. Forget VG, it's a beta not a game.  It's not funny it's a pain. Full of bugs, tried to play vg many times but couldn't because of bugs etc, nothing changed since dec. 2007.  SOE improved VG at the beginning then stopped... 
 

- If you're looking for a pvp game expect NOTHING from Sartok: you'll find noone on the server. Take Daoc, Eve, War Aoc if you want but expect nothing from VG's FFA. It's a dead server since 2 years.

*********

The best thing to do is to do the trial, play freely 14 days (i think) then stop VG. there's nothing else to do. In IOD you'll find all players, in the world you'll be alone, talking in the tchat (when it works...) with people you will never see. 

 

 

"And VG is not for everyone. No MMO is. "

 

All fanboys of all deadgames says the same thing.   We're not talking about politics or economy. We're talking about A GAME. Only a video game. And YES video games are for everyone. VG is a failure, that's different. A disaster, one of the worst launches of history of mmorpgs, with Age of conan and Dark and Light. Next one will be Darkfall I think.

 No, video games are not for everyone.  My wife doesn't play video games, in fact she doesn't like them to an extreme.  Also, everyone doesn't have the same tastes in gaming.  I, for one, don't like FPSs.  I don't say that are bad games, just not for me.  Why can't people be free to have choices?  I agree that VG's launch was bad, but does that have to doom it eternally?  Isn't it part of human nature to root for the poor wretch to overcome their background and succeed?  (Horatio Alger comes immediately to mind.)

And I'm labelled as a fanboy even after I stated that I had just resubed after being gone for 2 years.  How many years do you have to be gone before you no long are branded a fanboy?

 

Dark and Light
Vanguard
Age of Conan

3 terrible launches, all players knows that. Vanguard had an hard launch, but SOE did nothing imo to save this game.  No relaunch, no addon, nothing but small .and ridiculous GU

Yeah, all VG's players are waiting for the next "and magic" GU since the release... It will be the next, it will be the next for sure. In the next GU , vanguard will be PERFECT... So you pay, you pay and you expect a lot of things, you take a sub, you wait for the next GU... and then...

Your char becomes ridiculous and awful. (OMG what a disaster... our beautiful and noble chars... omg )
You open your eyes, and you stop.

Originally posted by Farandir

Originally posted by ougarit

i'm sorry farandir but the last time played VG was last month. 

And you can trust me if i say i'm sorry for this great game. Really. I won' t bash the game, i won't bash Sigil or BMQ. I 'll never pay for SOE games. Now i understand why ex SWG players (pre NGE) can't pay anymore for these games.

SOE has in theory the best MMOS but , don't know why , they ALWAYS make BAD decisions.

 

Ah, ok, sorry then. Too bad you feel the way you do. But, it's like that with everything, everyone can't be happy about the same cake, taste differs and always will.

no no no no 

I like the game but I dont see a lot of effort from SOE on vanguard. I see no future for this game, that's different. It's not a problem of taste. SOE make always bad decisions. Always.  RIP vanguard.

A fanboy can't see the difference between fact and taste.

VG

Taste: VG is interesting and has nice ideas, in theory my taste

Facts: it's a dead mmorpg, I see nothing in 2009 for this game, nothing more in 2010 .

Wow

Taste: wow is a diablo like and repetitive game, not for players like me

Facts: it's a success

Lotro

Taste: not bad, not perfect, a bit wowish, not perfect

Fact: it's one of the best products in the market. It's a success. 

DAOC:

Taste: The best RvR in the market

Facts: old game

War:

Taste: not perfect, too wowish for my taste, too many BG

Facts: This game has a chance

TCOS:

Taste: interesting game,refreshing

Facts: deadborn. 

*************

lol new thread : you don't like the game ? gnagna gna(like childs, ouaaa you broke my toy)

For fanboys there 's only 2 sides, 2 positions, 2 colors that's why we can't talk with them

BLACK 
WHITE

tchao

i don't have enough time to speak with immature people. this is a game not your wife, think about it.

Originally posted by neonwire

Originally posted by Ionselon

Originally posted by Giddian

In my opinion, Vanguard had its time to shine and Failed. You can't take a 4 or 5 year old game that flopped and expect people to go balls out promoting an old game simply because the Fans think that the devs got their shit together and fixed it. People like to move forward to new things not back track to old games that didn't get it right in the first place. Wasting money on that type of advertising is throwing good money after bad. If the game is as good as you say, {and I have played it and still has the same feel to it} they should make a Vanguard 2 and release it the way they should have to begin with.
Once again, that’s my opinion
 

 

People continue to have problems with facts.  VG turns the ripe old age of 2 on January 30th, 2009, as pointed out above.

I've recently resubed to VG because of the improvements from launch.  It is easier than EQ and harder than WoW (that's not a bash, WoW fanbois) and I enjoy the playstyle it offers.  And VG is not for everyone.  No MMO is.  That is why there are so many that continue, even if they have smaller subs.  People need to recognize this and let everyone play the game(s) that they enjoy, whether others enjoy them or not.

I'll demand perfection in my MMO when I achieve perfection in myself.  Since I will never attain perfection, I can play games that aren't perfect without complaining constantly about something that I don't like.  For me, if the fun factor > frustration factor, then I will play the game.

Neon has set himself up in his mind as the Protector of the ignorant masses that play MMOs, making sure that they are not sucked into games that He has pronounced as being "Bad".   Because he does it so much to so many games, one has to conclude that doing so meets some psychological need that he has.

Game on!

Ion

 

Yeah yeah I'm the protector of the peasant hordes and all that.......in your mind maybe. There was me thinking I was just typing my opinions in a forum.

Anyway after all of this wonderful debating which has actually been rather amusing, guess what I'm gonna do? I'm gonna resubscribe to Vanguard and give it another shot.......not that I should of course as I'm just an evil troll.

This will be the 4th time now. The last time I managed to keep playing for about a week and a half before all the games various issues and boredom made me lose interest. However this time I'm actually gonna make a real effort to stick with it. My intention is that I will try to play through a reasonable chunk of the game, trying out all the different aspects of the game as much as I can (eg crafting, diplomacy and combat) and then later I might come back and give an honest review of the game and also try and remain as neutral as possible. If after the 4th visit I am still unimpressed with the game and people continue to fling abuse at me for speaking honestly then I can rest my case that the Vanguard community are bunch of fanatical arse wipes. However ya never know I might actually start to like the game. If that does happen then I promise to say so as I dont have a problem with that.

Its gonna be challenging though because I'm actually not a huge fan of story-telling pure pve games (gosh! I bet you didnt guess!) but I will keep that in mind and also mention it if and when I bother to review the game.

Anyway here are a few questions I have about the game.

1. What is the best server to pick population and reputation-wise?

2. Is the Trial Isle really the best starting place? I didnt think much of it when I went there. What other starting places would people recommend?

3. Actually......any suggestions would be welcome (sorry thats not a question lol)

OK so I cant really say fairer than that can I. You fanboys should be quite happy because despite the fact that some of you have acted like complete twats (me too as well of course......being a twat can be fun ya know), as a result of talking on a forum a "troll" has decided to have another look at your precious under-appreciated game. That means I am paying a small amount of money that goes towards future improvements for Vanguard which is just the thing Vanguards fans have been asking for.

Oh and one last thing. I know this sounds really anal but I'm really not interested in hearing advice from kids and teenagers as its unlikely that their opinion will have any relevance to me. I'm 33 years old so I would preferably like to hear opinions on the above questions from adults if thats possible.

To preface my comments, I'm 61 but I'm not sure if I have grown up yet.    Also, sorry about my nasty post above regarding you.  I just get tired of being called a fanboy, which I'm not.  I'm trying out the game to see if I want to go back and I haven't decided whether to keep on playing or not. 

I'm playing on Seradon, which seems to have the highest population.  I have low level toons in all three areas and find that the starting areas (not the Isle) are generally lonesome, but I do see a person from time to time.  There is a lot of activity in chat and the community is very helpful with noobie questions.

If you decide on playing on Seradon, please look me up.  I bet you can't guess what my toon's name is. 

Ion

Originally posted by Ionselon

Originally posted by neonwire

Originally posted by Ionselon

Originally posted by Giddian

In my opinion, Vanguard had its time to shine and Failed. You can't take a 4 or 5 year old game that flopped and expect people to go balls out promoting an old game simply because the Fans think that the devs got their shit together and fixed it. People like to move forward to new things not back track to old games that didn't get it right in the first place. Wasting money on that type of advertising is throwing good money after bad. If the game is as good as you say, {and I have played it and still has the same feel to it} they should make a Vanguard 2 and release it the way they should have to begin with.
Once again, that’s my opinion
 

 

People continue to have problems with facts.  VG turns the ripe old age of 2 on January 30th, 2009, as pointed out above.

I've recently resubed to VG because of the improvements from launch.  It is easier than EQ and harder than WoW (that's not a bash, WoW fanbois) and I enjoy the playstyle it offers.  And VG is not for everyone.  No MMO is.  That is why there are so many that continue, even if they have smaller subs.  People need to recognize this and let everyone play the game(s) that they enjoy, whether others enjoy them or not.

I'll demand perfection in my MMO when I achieve perfection in myself.  Since I will never attain perfection, I can play games that aren't perfect without complaining constantly about something that I don't like.  For me, if the fun factor > frustration factor, then I will play the game.

Neon has set himself up in his mind as the Protector of the ignorant masses that play MMOs, making sure that they are not sucked into games that He has pronounced as being "Bad".   Because he does it so much to so many games, one has to conclude that doing so meets some psychological need that he has.

Game on!

Ion

 

Yeah yeah I'm the protector of the peasant hordes and all that.......in your mind maybe. There was me thinking I was just typing my opinions in a forum.

Anyway after all of this wonderful debating which has actually been rather amusing, guess what I'm gonna do? I'm gonna resubscribe to Vanguard and give it another shot.......not that I should of course as I'm just an evil troll.

This will be the 4th time now. The last time I managed to keep playing for about a week and a half before all the games various issues and boredom made me lose interest. However this time I'm actually gonna make a real effort to stick with it. My intention is that I will try to play through a reasonable chunk of the game, trying out all the different aspects of the game as much as I can (eg crafting, diplomacy and combat) and then later I might come back and give an honest review of the game and also try and remain as neutral as possible. If after the 4th visit I am still unimpressed with the game and people continue to fling abuse at me for speaking honestly then I can rest my case that the Vanguard community are bunch of fanatical arse wipes. However ya never know I might actually start to like the game. If that does happen then I promise to say so as I dont have a problem with that.

Its gonna be challenging though because I'm actually not a huge fan of story-telling pure pve games (gosh! I bet you didnt guess!) but I will keep that in mind and also mention it if and when I bother to review the game.

Anyway here are a few questions I have about the game.

1. What is the best server to pick population and reputation-wise?

2. Is the Trial Isle really the best starting place? I didnt think much of it when I went there. What other starting places would people recommend?

3. Actually......any suggestions would be welcome (sorry thats not a question lol)

OK so I cant really say fairer than that can I. You fanboys should be quite happy because despite the fact that some of you have acted like complete twats (me too as well of course......being a twat can be fun ya know), as a result of talking on a forum a "troll" has decided to have another look at your precious under-appreciated game. That means I am paying a small amount of money that goes towards future improvements for Vanguard which is just the thing Vanguards fans have been asking for.

Oh and one last thing. I know this sounds really anal but I'm really not interested in hearing advice from kids and teenagers as its unlikely that their opinion will have any relevance to me. I'm 33 years old so I would preferably like to hear opinions on the above questions from adults if thats possible.

 

To preface my comments, I'm 61 but I'm not sure if I have grown up yet.    Also, sorry about my nasty post above regarding you.  I just get tired of being called a fanboy, which I'm not.  I'm trying out the game to see if I want to go back and I haven't decided whether to keep on playing or not. 

I'm playing on Seradon, which seems to have the highest population.  I have low level toons in all three areas and find that the starting areas (not the Isle) are generally lonesome, but I do see a person from time to time.  There is a lot of activity in chat and the community is very helpful with noobie questions.

If you decide on playing on Seradon, please look me up.  I bet you can't guess what my toon's name is. 

Ion

 

Hmmm.....well when I'm in my sixties I certainly dont expect to be any more grown up than I am already either. I will still be playing games like I have been for hundreds of years......yep thats right! I was playing games before I was even born! In fact the whole birthing process was a real pain in the arse because it made me forget that I was a gamer and I had to wait until I was about 10 before I could become a gamer once more.

But yeah the whole Troll vs Fanboy thing is rather lame and gets pretty tiresome. If you like a game you're a fanboy. If you dont then you're a troll. Cant seem to avoid it on these forums. If you get a label flung your way then after a while it just becomes easier to fling one back (sigh).

I live in the UK so I was actually planning on going onto the Halgar server as advised by Farandir a few posts above. Mind you from looking at the station launcher which is very slowly updating the game now it seems that I have three characters on the Seradon server from before. I'm not sure why I picked the US server at the time but maybe it is indeed more popular. The only problem of course is the time difference and as this game seems to have an issue with its population levels then that might cause a bit of a problem.

Mind you I must admit that I virtually always fall into the habit of playing these games solo anyway so maybe the population wont be such an issue for me. I guess its mainly because these type of games are designed like single player games and focus on "telling" each individual player a story. There isnt much of a reason to talk to anyone in particular other than the act of being sociable itself. I know grouping makes the game easier and might be required to progress through some parts but I have never really enjoyed the act of asking some random stranger "Heh you wanna group with me to do this quest?" only to find out the random "anonomous" player is either annoying or simply prefers to play the game at a different speed to you......or has another bunch of quests to do which you dont have which leads to you running around collecting them all up like a shopping list. Its not exactly the stuff heroic legends are made of is it lol.

Thats why I'm really looking forward to what the future will bring with these mmos because at the moment they are only just beginning to move away from this "single player game on multiplayer mode" thing. These games need to become more like worlds and that involves players being able to effect each other (in some way at least.....not neccessarily directly) and also these games need to stop forcing stories onto us. I would rather have a reason to do something that has a purpose in the game beyond simply ploughing through a "set-in-stone" story that really is only about my own personal advancement.

Anyway blah blah blah there I go waffling away and dreaming of what might be. I will pop onto the Seradon server when the game FINALLY updates and type "Ion" into the search wotsit........which reminds me of another issue I have with these games. I cant wait until they finally start ditching this whole leveling concept. Your character isnt going to be anywhere near the same level as my starting character which basicly makes its impossible for people to play together anyway.....well.....not impossible as such but the higher level person is gonna be godlike in comparison to the lower level one. So much for the "massively multiplayer" part. No levels = play with anyone, anytime, anywhere! One day......one day......

Originally posted by EbonHawk

Originally posted by neonwire

Originally posted by Giddian

Originally posted by Ionselon

Originally posted by Giddian

In my opinion, Vanguard had its time to shine and Failed. You can't take a 4 or 5 year old game that flopped and expect people to go balls out promoting an old game simply because the Fans think that the devs got their shit together and fixed it. People like to move forward to new things not back track to old games that didn't get it right in the first place. Wasting money on that type of advertising is throwing good money after bad. If the game is as good as you say, {and I have played it and still has the same feel to it} they should make a Vanguard 2 and release it the way they should have to begin with.
Once again, that’s my opinion
 

 

People continue to have problems with facts.  VG turns the ripe old age of 2 on January 30th, 2009, as pointed out above.

I've recently resubed to VG because of the improvements from launch.  It is easier than EQ and harder than WoW (that's not a bash, WoW fanbois) and I enjoy the playstyle it offers.  And VG is not for everyone.  No MMO is.  That is why there are so many that continue, even if they have smaller subs.  People need to recognize this and let everyone play the game(s) that they enjoy, whether others enjoy them or not.

I'll demand perfection in my MMO when I achieve perfection in myself.  Since I will never attain perfection, I can play games that aren't perfect without complaining constantly about something that I don't like.  For me, if the fun factor > frustration factor, then I will play the game.

Neon has set himself up in his mind as the Protector of the ignorant masses that play MMOs, making sure that they are not sucked into games that He has pronounced as being "Bad".   Because he does it so much to so many games, one has to conclude that doing so meets some psychological need that he has.

Game on!

Ion

 

Fine,

2 Years.

Other than getting how old the game is wrong. the rest of my comments still stand. It is still a step backward to go to this game. If you play it and like it,,, Great, Play it. but to expect a company to advertise it, There isn't enough money in it. Most people {And I do mean MOST} Once they played a game and don't like it, Move on without looking back.

 

Giddian I think you are beginning to see what kind of players support Vanguard. These types of fanboys really arent interested in peoples honest opinions. They only want to hear good things about the game they are playing because they desperately want more players to come and join them. Anything that goes against what is clearly an unpopular game gets dismissed even if its your honest opinion. Then you just get abuse hurled at you as the fanboys fanatical love for their games turns into hatred. Then you get the usual "Troll! Troll! Troll!" just for speaking your mind. You gotta love the Vanguard community for their high level of dedication and devotion

 

No Shit! 

I agree with ya.  If these are the kind of people playing VG no wonder why the population is fucking low...

Lol No this is the Kind of Troll that ALL soe games gather. People who Have NO IDEA What they are talking about.

Neon Clearly hasent played the game in a LONG time and is trying to act like he is a acctive suber... to give him ammo like this is silly.

Originally posted by vardar

no offense, But WoW is just starting to get 'old' the game is getting older and the graphics and gameplay are starting to be outdated, i welcome AoC,Warhammer, just for the fact that they are newer games, offering the most updated graphics and playing style, not a game that is over 4years old....thats like going to play EQ1 again....people need to start moving forward, not backwards.

Except AoC and WAR isn't offering the latest playstyle and graphics. AoC definitely has the graphics, but graphics alone doesn't make a game. The progress the game made in graphics for the genre was taken back further by the technical issues and the lack of content. WAR on the other hand has very underwhelming graphics, even compared to say DAoC, but it has simplified PvP to the point where people can jump in for 30min and get something accomplished (good or bad thing depending on the person).

So really, WoW is still the best overall quest/level based game out there. I mean pound for pound, WoW has more to offer than other games. Whether a person likes it more than another game is subjective and doesn't really matter to the individual player really.

I actually plan to go back to DAoC when Origins is released. Graphics is important to me, but equally important is gameplay. DAoC has good graphics and good gameplay, but lacks a population. Pretty similar situation in fact as EQ 1, AC, UO, and other classic games.

I think many people in general would agree that the genre and industry in general has taken steps backwards, rather than forwards. Maybe the graphics and animations keep getting better, but players are left with less and less choices while in-game and the content gets easier and easier. Games of old had harder content and plenty of choices for advancement, whether it be through stat allocation, or a variety of looks for your character or even multiple story lines.

Anyhow /end thread hijack. I think Vanguard has many good elements, but as I said before, lacks overall compared to WoW, which is why I play WoW.

Originally posted by Ekibiogami

Originally posted by EbonHawk

Originally posted by neonwire

Originally posted by Giddian

Originally posted by Ionselon

Originally posted by Giddian

In my opinion, Vanguard had its time to shine and Failed. You can't take a 4 or 5 year old game that flopped and expect people to go balls out promoting an old game simply because the Fans think that the devs got their shit together and fixed it. People like to move forward to new things not back track to old games that didn't get it right in the first place. Wasting money on that type of advertising is throwing good money after bad. If the game is as good as you say, {and I have played it and still has the same feel to it} they should make a Vanguard 2 and release it the way they should have to begin with.
Once again, that’s my opinion
 

 

People continue to have problems with facts.  VG turns the ripe old age of 2 on January 30th, 2009, as pointed out above.

I've recently resubed to VG because of the improvements from launch.  It is easier than EQ and harder than WoW (that's not a bash, WoW fanbois) and I enjoy the playstyle it offers.  And VG is not for everyone.  No MMO is.  That is why there are so many that continue, even if they have smaller subs.  People need to recognize this and let everyone play the game(s) that they enjoy, whether others enjoy them or not.

I'll demand perfection in my MMO when I achieve perfection in myself.  Since I will never attain perfection, I can play games that aren't perfect without complaining constantly about something that I don't like.  For me, if the fun factor > frustration factor, then I will play the game.

Neon has set himself up in his mind as the Protector of the ignorant masses that play MMOs, making sure that they are not sucked into games that He has pronounced as being "Bad".   Because he does it so much to so many games, one has to conclude that doing so meets some psychological need that he has.

Game on!

Ion

 

Fine,

2 Years.

Other than getting how old the game is wrong. the rest of my comments still stand. It is still a step backward to go to this game. If you play it and like it,,, Great, Play it. but to expect a company to advertise it, There isn't enough money in it. Most people {And I do mean MOST} Once they played a game and don't like it, Move on without looking back.

 

Giddian I think you are beginning to see what kind of players support Vanguard. These types of fanboys really arent interested in peoples honest opinions. They only want to hear good things about the game they are playing because they desperately want more players to come and join them. Anything that goes against what is clearly an unpopular game gets dismissed even if its your honest opinion. Then you just get abuse hurled at you as the fanboys fanatical love for their games turns into hatred. Then you get the usual "Troll! Troll! Troll!" just for speaking your mind. You gotta love the Vanguard community for their high level of dedication and devotion

 

No Shit! 

I agree with ya.  If these are the kind of people playing VG no wonder why the population is fucking low...

 

Lol No this is the Kind of Troll that ALL soe games gather. People who Have NO IDEA What they are talking about.

Neon Clearly hasent played the game in a LONG time and is trying to act like he is a acctive suber... to give him ammo like this is silly.

(sigh)

Read back through the thread (if you can be bothered of course) and you will see that I'm not pretending to be anything. I clearly state the number of times I have resubscribed to the game (3) and the last time I played......which was the later half of last year so its not exactly a LONG time ago. Obviously I am not a current subscriber to the game although reading a small number of posts above will reveal to you that I am currently in the process of updating the game right now (19% done so far.....damn its slow lol) ready for my 4th visit.

So how does all that indicate to you that I am trying to act like I am an active subscriber? Obviously it doesnt and you know it and now you feel a bit silly for firing your mouth off dont you. Its ok we've all been there. Its funny because you are EXACTLY the kind of person Ebonhawk is referring to. The irony is most amusing.

And all SOE games gather trolls like me? Thats weird. I troll plenty of games and not all of them belong to SOE. Last I heard Warhammer Online was made by Mythic not SOE

Also why would I need anyone to give me ammo? I have factories of my own churning out shit loads of bullets, missiles, rockets, ground-to-air missiles and nukes on a daily basis. I dont need anyone elses second rate ammo thanks.

Originally posted by JK-Kanosi

Originally posted by vardar

no offense, But WoW is just starting to get 'old' the game is getting older and the graphics and gameplay are starting to be outdated, i welcome AoC,Warhammer, just for the fact that they are newer games, offering the most updated graphics and playing style, not a game that is over 4years old....thats like going to play EQ1 again....people need to start moving forward, not backwards.

 

Except AoC and WAR isn't offering the latest playstyle and graphics. AoC definitely has the graphics, but graphics alone doesn't make a game. The progress the game made in graphics for the genre was taken back further by the technical issues and the lack of content. WAR on the other hand has very underwhelming graphics, even compared to say DAoC, but it has simplified PvP to the point where people can jump in for 30min and get something accomplished (good or bad thing depending on the person).

So really, WoW is still the best overall quest/level based game out there. I mean pound for pound, WoW has more to offer than other games. Whether a person likes it more than another game is subjective and doesn't really matter to the individual player really.

I actually plan to go back to DAoC when Origins is released. Graphics is important to me, but equally important is gameplay. DAoC has good graphics and good gameplay, but lacks a population. Pretty similar situation in fact as EQ 1, AC, UO, and other classic games.

I think many people in general would agree that the genre and industry in general has taken steps backwards, rather than forwards. Maybe the graphics and animations keep getting better, but players are left with less and less choices while in-game and the content gets easier and easier. Games of old had harder content and plenty of choices for advancement, whether it be through stat allocation, or a variety of looks for your character or even multiple story lines.

Anyhow /end thread hijack. I think Vanguard has many good elements, but as I said before, lacks overall compared to WoW, which is why I play WoW.

Pretty well said. WoW might not be super original and its certainly....hmmm....."streamlined" but it does all the stuff that a bog standard story-telling PvE game is supposed to do and it does it better than all of its competition. All of these other PvE games seem to end up falling by the wayside. It seems kind of obvious that the genre something new and it certainly isnt more story-telling PvE games. Vanguard actually had a good go at bringing new ideas into the fray but it was and still is lacking technically and artisticly.....although it has of course improved. It now no longer needs to walk on crutches and instead only walks with a stoop.

DAoC was great for its time. It really created a fantastic sense of identity within each realm unlike Warhammer and also had 3 realms instead of 2 which made such a massive difference. In fact I got an email from them today saying that my account has been reactivated. Has anyone else received this?

Originally posted by neonwire

Originally posted by JK-Kanosi

Originally posted by vardar

no offense, But WoW is just starting to get 'old' the game is getting older and the graphics and gameplay are starting to be outdated, i welcome AoC,Warhammer, just for the fact that they are newer games, offering the most updated graphics and playing style, not a game that is over 4years old....thats like going to play EQ1 again....people need to start moving forward, not backwards.

 

Except AoC and WAR isn't offering the latest playstyle and graphics. AoC definitely has the graphics, but graphics alone doesn't make a game. The progress the game made in graphics for the genre was taken back further by the technical issues and the lack of content. WAR on the other hand has very underwhelming graphics, even compared to say DAoC, but it has simplified PvP to the point where people can jump in for 30min and get something accomplished (good or bad thing depending on the person).

So really, WoW is still the best overall quest/level based game out there. I mean pound for pound, WoW has more to offer than other games. Whether a person likes it more than another game is subjective and doesn't really matter to the individual player really.

I actually plan to go back to DAoC when Origins is released. Graphics is important to me, but equally important is gameplay. DAoC has good graphics and good gameplay, but lacks a population. Pretty similar situation in fact as EQ 1, AC, UO, and other classic games.

I think many people in general would agree that the genre and industry in general has taken steps backwards, rather than forwards. Maybe the graphics and animations keep getting better, but players are left with less and less choices while in-game and the content gets easier and easier. Games of old had harder content and plenty of choices for advancement, whether it be through stat allocation, or a variety of looks for your character or even multiple story lines.

Anyhow /end thread hijack. I think Vanguard has many good elements, but as I said before, lacks overall compared to WoW, which is why I play WoW.

 

Pretty well said. WoW might not be super original and its certainly....hmmm....."streamlined" but it does all the stuff that a bog standard story-telling PvE game is supposed to do and it does it better than all of its competition. All of these other PvE games seem to end up falling by the wayside. It seems kind of obvious that the genre something new and it certainly isnt more story-telling PvE games. Vanguard actually had a good go at bringing new ideas into the fray but it was and still is lacking technically and artisticly.....although it has of course improved. It now no longer needs to walk on crutches and instead only walks with a stoop.

DAoC was great for its time. It really created a fantastic sense of identity within each realm unlike Warhammer and also had 3 realms instead of 2 which made such a massive difference. In fact I got an email from them today saying that my account has been reactivated. Has anyone else received this?

I don't get emails from them. I should check into this, because I'd love another go at DAoC. I miss the game to all hell. But yeah, I was a big supporter of VG:SoH while in development, when they were promising the world and I soaked it up, because I was looking for a new game with an old school feel. I wasn't drinking the WoW koolaid at the time. WoW pretty much has set the standard for the quest/level based side of the genre and I'm not really sure there is a lot to evolve. You can't really revolutionize the WoW-side of the genre, but you can revolutionize the genre itself by introducing another sandbox game. I'd love to see that, but until then or until a better story comes along, I'll stick with WoW.

Originally posted by neonwire

Originally posted by Ekibiogami

Originally posted by EbonHawk

Originally posted by neonwire

Originally posted by Giddian

Originally posted by Ionselon

Originally posted by Giddian

In my opinion, Vanguard had its time to shine and Failed. You can't take a 4 or 5 year old game that flopped and expect people to go balls out promoting an old game simply because the Fans think that the devs got their shit together and fixed it. People like to move forward to new things not back track to old games that didn't get it right in the first place. Wasting money on that type of advertising is throwing good money after bad. If the game is as good as you say, {and I have played it and still has the same feel to it} they should make a Vanguard 2 and release it the way they should have to begin with.
Once again, that’s my opinion
 

 

People continue to have problems with facts.  VG turns the ripe old age of 2 on January 30th, 2009, as pointed out above.

I've recently resubed to VG because of the improvements from launch.  It is easier than EQ and harder than WoW (that's not a bash, WoW fanbois) and I enjoy the playstyle it offers.  And VG is not for everyone.  No MMO is.  That is why there are so many that continue, even if they have smaller subs.  People need to recognize this and let everyone play the game(s) that they enjoy, whether others enjoy them or not.

I'll demand perfection in my MMO when I achieve perfection in myself.  Since I will never attain perfection, I can play games that aren't perfect without complaining constantly about something that I don't like.  For me, if the fun factor > frustration factor, then I will play the game.

Neon has set himself up in his mind as the Protector of the ignorant masses that play MMOs, making sure that they are not sucked into games that He has pronounced as being "Bad".   Because he does it so much to so many games, one has to conclude that doing so meets some psychological need that he has.

Game on!

Ion

 

Fine,

2 Years.

Other than getting how old the game is wrong. the rest of my comments still stand. It is still a step backward to go to this game. If you play it and like it,,, Great, Play it. but to expect a company to advertise it, There isn't enough money in it. Most people {And I do mean MOST} Once they played a game and don't like it, Move on without looking back.

 

Giddian I think you are beginning to see what kind of players support Vanguard. These types of fanboys really arent interested in peoples honest opinions. They only want to hear good things about the game they are playing because they desperately want more players to come and join them. Anything that goes against what is clearly an unpopular game gets dismissed even if its your honest opinion. Then you just get abuse hurled at you as the fanboys fanatical love for their games turns into hatred. Then you get the usual "Troll! Troll! Troll!" just for speaking your mind. You gotta love the Vanguard community for their high level of dedication and devotion

 

No Shit! 

I agree with ya.  If these are the kind of people playing VG no wonder why the population is fucking low...

 

Lol No this is the Kind of Troll that ALL soe games gather. People who Have NO IDEA What they are talking about.

Neon Clearly hasent played the game in a LONG time and is trying to act like he is a acctive suber... to give him ammo like this is silly.

 

(sigh)

Read back through the thread (if you can be bothered of course) and you will see that I'm not pretending to be anything. I clearly state the number of times I have resubscribed to the game (3) and the last time I played......which was the later half of last year so its not exactly a LONG time ago. Obviously I am not a current subscriber to the game although reading a small number of posts above will reveal to you that I am currently in the process of updating the game right now (19% done so far.....damn its slow lol) ready for my 4th visit.

So how does all that indicate to you that I am trying to act like I am an active subscriber? Obviously it doesnt and you know it and now you feel a bit silly for firing your mouth off dont you. Its ok we've all been there. Its funny because you are EXACTLY the kind of person Ebonhawk is referring to. The irony is most amusing.

And all SOE games gather trolls like me? Thats weird. I troll plenty of games and not all of them belong to SOE. Last I heard Warhammer Online was made by Mythic not SOE

Also why would I need anyone to give me ammo? I have factories of my own churning out shit loads of bullets, missiles, rockets, ground-to-air missiles and nukes on a daily basis. I dont need anyone elses second rate ammo thanks.

Nice to see you Finaly putting you Bandwith where your Mouth Is.
 

Saying you dont like something is One thing Trolling a fourm when your not even playing Is something Else.

Originally posted by Ekibiogami

Originally posted by neonwire

Originally posted by Ekibiogami

Originally posted by EbonHawk

Originally posted by neonwire

Originally posted by Giddian

Originally posted by Ionselon

Originally posted by Giddian

In my opinion, Vanguard had its time to shine and Failed. You can't take a 4 or 5 year old game that flopped and expect people to go balls out promoting an old game simply because the Fans think that the devs got their shit together and fixed it. People like to move forward to new things not back track to old games that didn't get it right in the first place. Wasting money on that type of advertising is throwing good money after bad. If the game is as good as you say, {and I have played it and still has the same feel to it} they should make a Vanguard 2 and release it the way they should have to begin with.
Once again, that’s my opinion
 

 

People continue to have problems with facts.  VG turns the ripe old age of 2 on January 30th, 2009, as pointed out above.

I've recently resubed to VG because of the improvements from launch.  It is easier than EQ and harder than WoW (that's not a bash, WoW fanbois) and I enjoy the playstyle it offers.  And VG is not for everyone.  No MMO is.  That is why there are so many that continue, even if they have smaller subs.  People need to recognize this and let everyone play the game(s) that they enjoy, whether others enjoy them or not.

I'll demand perfection in my MMO when I achieve perfection in myself.  Since I will never attain perfection, I can play games that aren't perfect without complaining constantly about something that I don't like.  For me, if the fun factor > frustration factor, then I will play the game.

Neon has set himself up in his mind as the Protector of the ignorant masses that play MMOs, making sure that they are not sucked into games that He has pronounced as being "Bad".   Because he does it so much to so many games, one has to conclude that doing so meets some psychological need that he has.

Game on!

Ion

 

Fine,

2 Years.

Other than getting how old the game is wrong. the rest of my comments still stand. It is still a step backward to go to this game. If you play it and like it,,, Great, Play it. but to expect a company to advertise it, There isn't enough money in it. Most people {And I do mean MOST} Once they played a game and don't like it, Move on without looking back.

 

Giddian I think you are beginning to see what kind of players support Vanguard. These types of fanboys really arent interested in peoples honest opinions. They only want to hear good things about the game they are playing because they desperately want more players to come and join them. Anything that goes against what is clearly an unpopular game gets dismissed even if its your honest opinion. Then you just get abuse hurled at you as the fanboys fanatical love for their games turns into hatred. Then you get the usual "Troll! Troll! Troll!" just for speaking your mind. You gotta love the Vanguard community for their high level of dedication and devotion

 

No Shit! 

I agree with ya.  If these are the kind of people playing VG no wonder why the population is fucking low...

 

Lol No this is the Kind of Troll that ALL soe games gather. People who Have NO IDEA What they are talking about.

Neon Clearly hasent played the game in a LONG time and is trying to act like he is a acctive suber... to give him ammo like this is silly.

 

(sigh)

Read back through the thread (if you can be bothered of course) and you will see that I'm not pretending to be anything. I clearly state the number of times I have resubscribed to the game (3) and the last time I played......which was the later half of last year so its not exactly a LONG time ago. Obviously I am not a current subscriber to the game although reading a small number of posts above will reveal to you that I am currently in the process of updating the game right now (19% done so far.....damn its slow lol) ready for my 4th visit.

So how does all that indicate to you that I am trying to act like I am an active subscriber? Obviously it doesnt and you know it and now you feel a bit silly for firing your mouth off dont you. Its ok we've all been there. Its funny because you are EXACTLY the kind of person Ebonhawk is referring to. The irony is most amusing.

And all SOE games gather trolls like me? Thats weird. I troll plenty of games and not all of them belong to SOE. Last I heard Warhammer Online was made by Mythic not SOE

Also why would I need anyone to give me ammo? I have factories of my own churning out shit loads of bullets, missiles, rockets, ground-to-air missiles and nukes on a daily basis. I dont need anyone elses second rate ammo thanks.

Nice to see you Finaly putting you Bandwith where your Mouth Is.
 

Saying you dont like something is One thing Trolling a fourm when your not even playing Is something Else.

What do you mean by the word "finally"? Every single word I have posted has been my honest viewpoint. Nothing has changed there. At no point did I ever pretend to be anything but honest. Stop trying to continue to make your assumptions stick when I have already proved that they dont.

Also what is all this bullshit about not being able to talk about a game unless you are currently playing it? Are you saying that a person cannot talk about a game on a forum unless they are subscribed to it? Thats just silly. Like I said I played Vanguard at launch (well......I tried to anyway lol) and I have resubscribed to the game 3 times, the last time not being too long ago as it was sometime in the later half of last year. Even if I hadnt played the game for longer than that then I could still talk about the game.......especially when it comes to Vanguard as that game has such a small team working on it that it takes ages for improvements to happen to it.

Oh and there is nothing wrong with "trolling" forums. Its all just opinions.