I, for one, think the People at SWGEMU are doing a Great job of remaking the Pre CU - NGE game that we all loved.  They've come a long way and are redoing the code from scratch... 

  Check it out at: http://www.swgemu.com/

  Its Free to Play and they have a New front end to login, you just need your old SWG disc's to install with...

   Talk  U later...

     Timby

Originally posted by Fishermage

Originally posted by Perilous1

Originally posted by Fishermage

Originally posted by Perilous1

Originally posted by Fishermage

Originally posted by Perilous1

I would absolutely pay $30 for it, as I am already paying for a couple subs on other games that will never engender the feeling of "home" that SWG Pre-CU gave me.

The problem is... SOE has already said they did not keep any of the Pre-CU code. which if you've worked in a software development arena you know is a baldfaced lie. They cannot now cough it up though and still retain any kind of credibility (not that we feel they have any left).

It all boils down to a real shame, too. I brielfly worked with the swgprecu emulation team (now merged with (SWG: ANH) and recreating the backend server is a monumental task that is years in the doing with a group of coders that are spread out all over North America and work in their spare time for no more than the hope of recreating what never should have been lost in the first place.

 

 

Can you show me where they said they did not keep the code? I don't remember seeing that. I have seen people say that they said this, but never seen it backed up with a link or proper citing.

 

When the Emu team first got together there was an effort to get all their ducks in a row legally. To that end they had a conference call with SOE, and yes Smedley chimed in on the lack of existing Pre-CU code. He also was amusingly skeptical of any private coding group's chances of recreating a backend server without that original code. His parting words were along the lines of, "Knock yourselves out trying."

So you personally took part in this conference call and you personally heard Smedley say they no longer had the code?

 

When I joined the team I asked about the legality of what we were doing and was then told about the conference call. The call was recorded and I got to listen to it. I couldn't imagine anyone going to the trouble of engineering a false recording just to soothe the fears of a few guys worried about the legality of what they were attempting, so I have no reason to doubt what I heard.

 

So they have never admitted this publicly? Just to the EMU team via conference call?

Smedly has stated it on SWG forums that the pre-cu code was gone and it was no longer possible to roll back to it. I believe a few devs have repeated this as well.

There were several posts immediately after the NGE launched demanding a roll back. I personally read Smedley's post saying it was not technically possible to roll back to pre-nge because the code was gone.

Of course they are big fat stinkin liars. Many people called into question that statement because they surely would have backup servers and could easily just go back. Not to mention a lot of the old code is still clearly in the game with the NGE merely tacked on

As far as finding those old posts, I believe SOE purged their forums a few times since then. So unless someone archived them, I doubt you'l find it

Dont beleive a word soe say. When one of hteir big shots makes a statement, hes lying (cash shop anyone?)

I wouldn't  pay $30 for the privilege of playing pre-CU. Actually, i wouldn't pay $5. Broken classes and didn't like the game mechanics......... group 'solo' hunting? Wtf was that?

Originally posted by Iijs

I wouldn't  pay $30 for the privilege of playing pre-CU. Actually, i wouldn't pay $5. Broken classes and didn't like the game mechanics......... group 'solo' hunting? Wtf was that?

I'd recommend going back and re-reading the OP, I think you missed something.

BTW solo groups were kind of weird of course, but they were sort of fun as well. I had many great conversations with people I'd likely not have met otherwise. They didn't do much for gameplay but they did a great deal for community.

Originally posted by Suvroc

Originally posted by Iijs

I wouldn't  pay $30 for the privilege of playing pre-CU. Actually, i wouldn't pay $5. Broken classes and didn't like the game mechanics......... group 'solo' hunting? Wtf was that?

 

I'd recommend going back and re-reading the OP, I think you missed something.

BTW solo groups were kind of weird of course, but they were sort of fun as well. I had many great conversations with people I'd likely not have met otherwise. They didn't do much for gameplay but they did a great deal for community.

I reread the OP.  He did say "revamp."  I assume this means a complete polish and reworking of the game to WoW standards - generally cited as the standard by which game completeness should be judged.

So we imagine preCU gameplay, without any of the bugs or broken gameplay, reasonably balanced, content in addition to open gameplay.  In otherwords, the sandbox paradise we all imagined and wished for.  Would I pay $30 a month for that?

Very possibly.  Show it to me and then we'll talk.

For $30, I would expect the game to be totally supported, continual rebalancing where needed, additional expansions added regularly, the inclusion of new content fully tested and the proper implementation of all the old dynamics - unlockable jedi, TEFs, complex crafting, BF, three-bar HAM etc.

But if they could do that then, sure, I'd sign up in an instant.

Originally posted by Tzimiscechi

 

Six months ago: yes.

Now with The Old Republic on its way? No.

 

 

The Old Republic won't be the MMO you are looking for.

It will be mostly a Single Player story driven experience, heavily instanced with a chatbox slapped on top of it so it at least appears to be a online game.

The Old Reublic will mostly appeal to the KOTOR fans and console fans.... not the MMO fans that look for more then just solo story content.

I think that even SWG NGE today will still be a lot better then what SW:TOR is going to be... from a MMO point of view.

well if the majority of my guild returns too, then i would say yes. Ells i would say no, to late....
Especially when earthrise is so close to beta (yea sure, we dont know if earthrise will be good, or another dnl but i have hope)...

Originally posted by Guillight

Originally posted by Tzimiscechi

 

Six months ago: yes.

Now with The Old Republic on its way? No.

 

 

 

The Old Republic won't be the MMO you are looking for.

It will be mostly a Single Player story driven experience, heavily instanced with a chatbox slapped on top of it so it at least appears to be a online game.

The Old Reublic will mostly appeal to the KOTOR fans and console fans.... not the MMO fans that look for more then just solo story content.

I think that even SWG NGE today will still be a lot better then what SW:TOR is going to be... from a MMO point of view.

I agree. The Old Republic sounds like it will be the best game in its class but everything released so far suggests that it will be a linear, story-led game not an open, experience-led game. As such, however good it is, I really think its success will be relatively limited. And it will not - simply because it is such a smaller game in scope - offer anything like the variety and depth of the experiences of the old SWG sandbox.

Originally posted by admriker4

Originally posted by Fishermage

Originally posted by Perilous1

Originally posted by Fishermage

Originally posted by Perilous1

Originally posted by Fishermage

Originally posted by Perilous1

I would absolutely pay $30 for it, as I am already paying for a couple subs on other games that will never engender the feeling of "home" that SWG Pre-CU gave me.

The problem is... SOE has already said they did not keep any of the Pre-CU code. which if you've worked in a software development arena you know is a baldfaced lie. They cannot now cough it up though and still retain any kind of credibility (not that we feel they have any left).

It all boils down to a real shame, too. I brielfly worked with the swgprecu emulation team (now merged with (SWG: ANH) and recreating the backend server is a monumental task that is years in the doing with a group of coders that are spread out all over North America and work in their spare time for no more than the hope of recreating what never should have been lost in the first place.

 

 

Can you show me where they said they did not keep the code? I don't remember seeing that. I have seen people say that they said this, but never seen it backed up with a link or proper citing.

 

When the Emu team first got together there was an effort to get all their ducks in a row legally. To that end they had a conference call with SOE, and yes Smedley chimed in on the lack of existing Pre-CU code. He also was amusingly skeptical of any private coding group's chances of recreating a backend server without that original code. His parting words were along the lines of, "Knock yourselves out trying."

So you personally took part in this conference call and you personally heard Smedley say they no longer had the code?

 

When I joined the team I asked about the legality of what we were doing and was then told about the conference call. The call was recorded and I got to listen to it. I couldn't imagine anyone going to the trouble of engineering a false recording just to soothe the fears of a few guys worried about the legality of what they were attempting, so I have no reason to doubt what I heard.

 

So they have never admitted this publicly? Just to the EMU team via conference call?

 

Smedly has stated it on SWG forums that the pre-cu code was gone and it was no longer possible to roll back to it. I believe a few devs have repeated this as well.

There were several posts immediately after the NGE launched demanding a roll back. I personally read Smedley's post saying it was not technically possible to roll back to pre-nge because the code was gone.

Of course they are big fat stinkin liars. Many people called into question that statement because they surely would have backup servers and could easily just go back. Not to mention a lot of the old code is still clearly in the game with the NGE merely tacked on

As far as finding those old posts, I believe SOE purged their forums a few times since then. So unless someone archived them, I doubt you'l find it

I don't remember seeing any of that -- and I know I read everything. No one saved them? I saved the Freeman ones, the Rubenfield one, the Brenlo one -- everyone I thought was important in the interest of history, so have many others. I have NEVER seen anyone reproduce what you guys are saying.

You'd think someone would have saved the statement. When did he say it? When did the other DEVs repeat it? Do you remember which DEVs? again I don't remember seeing any of that, and I have been a consistent read of the O-Boards, these boards, and other forums since the CU.

All I have ever seen is people SAY they said it -- and no one has ever been able to furnish me a direct quote or a real context.

Originally posted by tman5

Originally posted by Suvroc

Originally posted by Iijs

I wouldn't  pay $30 for the privilege of playing pre-CU. Actually, i wouldn't pay $5. Broken classes and didn't like the game mechanics......... group 'solo' hunting? Wtf was that?

 

I'd recommend going back and re-reading the OP, I think you missed something.

BTW solo groups were kind of weird of course, but they were sort of fun as well. I had many great conversations with people I'd likely not have met otherwise. They didn't do much for gameplay but they did a great deal for community.

 

I reread the OP.  He did say "revamp."  I assume this means a complete polish and reworking of the game to WoW standards - generally cited as the standard by which game completeness should be judged.

So we imagine preCU gameplay, without any of the bugs or broken gameplay, reasonably balanced, content in addition to open gameplay.  In otherwords, the sandbox paradise we all imagined and wished for.  Would I pay $30 a month for that?

Very possibly.  Show it to me and then we'll talk.

I apologize for not being clear,"revamp"was a poor choice of terms. I,in NO!! way meant reworking the game to WoW standards. I meant I would pay $30/per month for a polished and complete Pre-CU.

Originally posted by hubertgrove

For $30, I would expect the game to be totally supported, continual rebalancing where needed, additional expansions added regularly, the inclusion of new content fully tested and the proper implementation of all the old dynamics - unlockable jedi, TEFs, complex crafting, BF, three-bar HAM etc.

But if they could do that then, sure, I'd sign up in an instant.

Thank you,hurbertgrove

You have added what I should have included in the original post. (Save unlockable Jedi)

I think the game should have strived to adhere to the canon of the timeline the developers chose to set the game in.

It is my opinion and the opinion of my small group of friends,all of whom played at launch that the "Holocron Debacle" as we like to call it was the beginning of the end of this game. Post holocrons,the community of my server Radiant turned against itself in the pursuit of holocrons and the unlock.

From my point of view that deviation from the canon really destabalized the Radiant community.

Here's what I remember...  I remember having so much fun playing I would go for days on just a few hours of sleep a night.  I remember making friends and logging in on Friday night on to have to stop when the server reset on Saturday morning.  I remember the joy of playing a game I thoroughly enjoyed.  I remember the outrage of waking up one day in a post-cu world.  I remember the disappointment over the clunky gameplay changes.  Of having to RE-LEARN what we had learned..  I remember not being a doctor anymore.  I remember the disgust of MANY many many people who would stand outside Theed and Coronet starports macroing their disappointment at SOE.  I remember SOE basically saying they didnt care what the people wanted.  I remember reading on the SOE board Mr SMedly saying the game has changed, just deal with it.  I remember thinking what a waste.  All to make the game more like WOW.  I remember MR Smedly later saying the CU was a mistake and the NGE was and is a much better imrprovement for the game.  Again there was protest to go pre-cu..  Again I remember SOE not listening.  And then the great change came.  SOE had no interest in listening to the voices that cried out over years about going back to the way things were.  If its one thing we should have learned by now is that SOE has no interest in the interest of the subscribers.  It pays no attention to the people who pay to play the game.  Well, that why I dont pay anymore.  SOE have SWG more free game playing time than any other game out there.  Why is that.  Their subscriptions are rock bottom.  Theyve lost so many players, but of course they'll never admit it.  In their world they eat skittles and poop rainbows..  It's a really nice place.  In their world SWG Galaxies still has millions of subscribers.  That is why we are now forcing people of of servers with a free transfer service.  To increase the population of their servers.  My grandfather used to say "You give a man enough rope and he'll hang himself."  SWG Galaxies has been swing for some time now. 

If SOE let the license go to someone, then I feel sorry for the other guy, we all know how SOE handles stuff, to them, the game may be worth 10 mill overall, but, they would expect 100 mill for just the license. That means alot of work for the new owner before it even gets past day 1 :(

But, to play the game that had me hooked for well over a year, and, to friends that came with that, I would sub for at least 1 year. To play the game I remember so well, and enjoyed for so long. :(

But, alas, thats not going to happen, its been 4 years and counting, and nothing has changed at SOE, their mindless, and over egotistical, eccentric, and shamefully excuse of "listening" to the public, the boastful, and over the top excuses of exciting and "new" gameplay.

No, SWG is dead, along with any possible return by me along with that :(

Originally posted by Jackarro

To pay a $30 sub?

If SOE/LA would sell the rights to the Pre-CU to an independent developer for a revamp and relaunch?

I,for one would be willing to pay.

This question has been stewing in my mind for months....Am I alone?

Feel free to speculate on the gross number of subs a revamp and relaunch might net. (At  a $30 sub)

Discuss....

 

The emulator is free. Forget $30 a month.

The only problem is that they make progress about as fast as the Darkfall folks. We can simply wait and hope.

I would pay the $30.00 in a heartbeat. I just cancelled my 3 accounts and deleted my 7 toons in SWG, I gave them 5 1/2 yrs to get it right and they (SOE) have a gigantic "fail" on their hands.

I played SWG shortly after release and quit right before JTL...a good way for me to judge what I'd want from SWG again is accomplished with some of my old FRAPS videos,  I loved the game not for the star wars theme but for the freedom we seemed to have in the game, the nonlinear design, and the community.  But I quit because alot of the game was broken and we were running out of things to do - even the large scale pvp battles on Starsider had really shrunk in numbers.  I'm glad I didn't have to endure all the dramatic changes that came after my time.

For 30/month I'd expect -

All things SOE hadn't fixed to be completed.

All things that were not balanced to change (i,e, comp armor vs everything else)

New content, and on a regular basis, and some challenges (solo kills on dragons has to stop)

And then for 30/month I'd play but without loyalty.  If it were invaded by wow kiddies then I wouldn't even play it for free, having to rebuild on memories alone may not be worth it - sometimes it may just be better to think back fondly and move on.