Originally posted by AveBethos

So we STILL know nobody who is actually currently testing this game?  Come on people... 

I know tons of them.... You dont ?

Originally posted by JMadisonIV

Originally posted by altairzq

God.. seems the game is still in the middle of beta.

 

that's because it is.

nothing wrong with that, unless they release it in a beta state.

Thought the game was about to be released, only infraestructure being a problem

Originally posted by Scriar

A lot of these features sound great, and the leaks have somewhat given the impression the game is fairly solid albeit its apparently very empty. But it is worrying they are only now turning on the majority of features(which is probably why the leaks all mentioned the world feels empty), such as the majority of mob types, and abilities.

They both seem like features that would need a lot of testing, I dont see how they can release this game in a decent state or even meet their target release date if they are going to leave everything to the last minute like this.

Having the most features off at beginning of beta is the norm. It can be stressful to sort through and productively correct issues from too many systems. Fix whats wrong then move to the next while everyone's concentrating on specifics. They don't just throw people in and say "run around", they tell you what you can test.

The fact they turned on what they have in this short time says they are progressing well.

I dont think it is very informative that the majority of the feedback is positive at the moment, they have barely any beta testers which is confirmed by the current testers, most of which are obviously fans already and have pre concieved thoughts of the game. I really think this game will turn out like Vangaurd at this point, ie it has a very rough start and loses a lot of potential customers because of it.

I believe you are correct. The learning curve is going to be tough. But look at Eve, the learning curve can take months depending what you do and how quickly you attempt to progress. Some people can't even get their feet under them without joining a corporation and being leant money for start-up. But look at it this way, we'll have less WoWists dancing naked on mailboxes for gold and such.

I believe there is a beta tester planning to leak a video soon, so hopefully it shows the game is a lot higher quality than the current information implys. I am sure this game will eventually be good, right now I think the main question will be what it is like in the first couple of months, and how will Aventurine deal with it/how good will their support be?

PM details on this video if it is unlikely I could find it without dredging offbeat sites or if I need to search a phrase in old Latin or something along that line.

 

Originally posted by altairzq

Thought the game was about to be released, only infraestructure being a problem

Feature-complete, and feature-tested...Are two different subjects, but whatever, Everquest-boy.

I do, however, disagree with them only leaving one month to beta-test this game.  It's a risky move, but from what I'm reading from "most" (all but one) beta testers(), the game's good, so far.

So it's really up to Aventurine, if they play it stupid and shoot themself in the foot, let them.  But at least try to be happy...Things are actually starting to look better.  

Originally posted by TheHoweller

Originally posted by altairzq

Thought the game was about to be released, only infraestructure being a problem

 

Feature-complete, and feature-tested...Are two different subjects, but whatever, Everquest-boy.

I do, however, disagree with them only leaving one month to beta-test this game.  It's a risky move, but from what I'm reading from "most" (all but one) beta testers(), the game's good, so far.

So it's really up to Aventurine, if they play it stupid and shoot themself in the foot, let them.  But at least try to be happy...Things are actually starting to look better.  

Then again look at all the beta testers who said AoC was awesome. Sure there were some negative leaks but thet were always shot down as BS... That was another game that started testing features at the very end of beta as well.

Doesn't sound like it'll be ready by late Feb. considering the state of beta, but i'd rather see Aventurine release a stable product in spring than an unplayable one at an earlier date.

Considering last years AoC launch fiasco, I really hope they wait until the feedback from beta testers indicates the DF client is retail ready. Still, i'll be more willing to put up with server instability and whatnot long as key gameplay features are present. AoC had serious technical issues combined with loads of missing features, not to mention Funcom were MMO industry veterans with financial backing from Eidos.

Yes, and the public was lied to in that beta as well...It's another thing to worry about.

But I feel now is a time to move on from this doom and gloom bullshit.  Sure they can screw up, but if they do it's all on their shoulders now.  I'm glad that things are starting to come out of the wood-work, it's a stupid pity that it took this long though.

And yes, the thought of Aventurine having my credit-card is a little scary...But I don't know, maybe their idea of PR, is a child's idea of religion.

Originally posted by TheHoweller

Yes, and the public was lied to in that beta as well...It's another thing to worry about.

But I feel now is a time to move on from this doom and gloom bullshit.  Sure they can screw up, but if they do it's all on their shoulders now.  I'm glad that things are starting to come out of the wood-work, it's a stupid pity that it took this long though.

And yes, the thought of Aventurine having my credit-card is a little scary...But I don't know, maybe their idea of PR, is a child's idea of religion.

Sigh.   Talk shit about their PR after they have your money, before it is a moot point.  ESP when they are not advertising their game.................................

Originally posted by altairzq

Originally posted by JMadisonIV

Originally posted by altairzq

God.. seems the game is still in the middle of beta.

 

that's because it is.

nothing wrong with that, unless they release it in a beta state.

 

Thought the game was about to be released, only infraestructure being a problem

well, seeing as there is still a super-tight NDA attached to the game, and according to "Official" Updates, they are just now turning on a majority of the game features, I'd venture to say it's still in the middle of Beta.

the featurs they just turned on will need to be thoroughly tested, and I doubt that less-than-a-month is sufficient time to test and correct everything that will need to be.

Originally posted by strongaxe

Originally posted by TheHoweller

Yes, and the public was lied to in that beta as well...It's another thing to worry about.

But I feel now is a time to move on from this doom and gloom bullshit.  Sure they can screw up, but if they do it's all on their shoulders now.  I'm glad that things are starting to come out of the wood-work, it's a stupid pity that it took this long though.

And yes, the thought of Aventurine having my credit-card is a little scary...But I don't know, maybe their idea of PR, is a child's idea of religion.

 

Sigh.   Talk shit about their PR after they have your money, before it is a moot point.  ESP when they are not advertising their game.................................

Originally posted by nethaniah

Actually they said the current client is the European release candidate. There's just so much to do. I doubt they are going to be able to do it in time for release. But I still think it's going to be a great game. Defiantly the most successful indy developed game ever.

I believe they said that there would only be one release client so when north America comes live you would just change servers you will still have access to EU servers if you decide to stay on them so the client is location neutral. I will give hime props for finally giving out some info as to the state of the test. Let's hope they continue to be more forthcoming.

Originally posted by fyerwall

Originally posted by TheHoweller

Originally posted by altairzq

Thought the game was about to be released, only infraestructure being a problem

 

Feature-complete, and feature-tested...Are two different subjects, but whatever, Everquest-boy.

I do, however, disagree with them only leaving one month to beta-test this game.  It's a risky move, but from what I'm reading from "most" (all but one) beta testers(), the game's good, so far.

So it's really up to Aventurine, if they play it stupid and shoot themself in the foot, let them.  But at least try to be happy...Things are actually starting to look better.  

 

Then again look at all the beta testers who said AoC was awesome. Sure there were some negative leaks but thet were always shot down as BS... That was another game that started testing features at the very end of beta as well.

 

Yes AOC was awesome...for the first 20 levels, then it was all downhill from there. I don't know that the beta testers had a chance to make an accurate assessement.  Only time will tell with Darkfall.

Didn' t Tasos once post that Darkfall was a completely done game and was ready for release back in 12/05/08?  I could have sworn I read it then.   Hmmm....weird.

Yeah I'm not giving Aventurines by credit card details. I'm giving them checking account info from an account from Bank of America that requires no minimal balance. It's my "sketchy transactions" account :)

Originally posted by TheHoweller

Originally posted by altairzq

Thought the game was about to be released, only infraestructure being a problem

 

Feature-complete, and feature-tested...Are two different subjects, but whatever, Everquest-boy.

I do, however, disagree with them only leaving one month to beta-test this game.  It's a risky move, but from what I'm reading from "most" (all but one) beta testers(), the game's good, so far.

So it's really up to Aventurine, if they play it stupid and shoot themself in the foot, let them.  But at least try to be happy...Things are actually starting to look better.  

I didn't mention "feature-complete". Read posts more carefully next time? Good boy.

 For the first time I think I'm actually excited about this game.

This could be the next "pre-CU" game that I'm really looking for. Too bad it's medieval; but it already made that up with FPS element of the game.

Very cool stuff.  Looking forward to seeing how they handle the next month.  It is going to be a crazy 30 days for them.

I remember cocky Tasos claiming 1 month ago the game was 99% ready and in a better state than most mmorpg in the market.

Oh well, i wish em luck testing these features and fixing them in less than 1 month. No way this game is releasing february.

As soon as we're out of debug, the stress test is over, we'll lift the NDA.

Does anyone know how long it usually takes for this 'Debug' mode? I haven't been in any betas, so I don't know.

I'm just curious how long this part will take, before the NDA is lifted and we can hear first hand from people who have been testing it.

Originally posted by lvlanoob

As soon as we're out of debug, the stress test is over, we'll lift the NDA.

 

Does anyone know how long it usually takes for this 'Debug' mode? I haven't been in any betas, so I don't know.

I'm just curious how long this part will take, before the NDA is lifted and we can hear first hand from people who have been testing it.

It all depends on the game. Each game will have a different time spent in debug, some will lose it after closed beta and some will keep it upto release.

If testers can find a majority of the bugs and the devs can squash what they feel is an acceptable amount thats when debug is usually over.