The point is you can try and group all of these gaming companies to prove that delays do not matter (I point I can agree with) but what you fail to mention is that, with 1 month to go before their launch, we had more information, more develop articles, more quotes, more gameplay footage, more press releases, more media tested interviews, etc.... than we have in 7 years of Darkfall's existence. And that is the problem.
 
I don't really see this as a problem.  What good did all the information, articles, quotes, gameplay footage, press releases, inteviews, etc. do for the quality of those games?  Take AoC for example.  Did all that information make the game good?  No, it created the illusion of quality amidst many promises but the actual game sucked.

Demanding more information is not being skeptical.  Crying vaporware b/c of delays or no beta (for yourself) is not being skeptical.  Being negative is not being skeptical
Many point to the Tasos quote regarding the game being ready as proof of his 'stunts' and lies.  The game was delayed due to logistics as far as anyone knows, not the readiness of the game. 

Most of you are not skeptics, you are angry pigs snorting at an empty (information/beta) trough.  Way too much angst for a video game.  On one hand, you demand information.  On the other, you claim that you will only purchase the game if you or someone you know plays it first.  Well, which is it?  If you insist on first hand knowledge, who cares if there are delays and how much it will cost?  (btw, it's $50ish for the game and $15ish for the sub).  Who cares how much information they give you before release?
The self-styled skeptics are just as bad as those claiming the game is great having never played it.

EDIT - yes I registered in '04 and this is my first post. 
 

Originally posted by Dameonk

Originally posted by Kilmoran 

 What proof do skeptics have that DFO is not what has been stated of it? What proof do they have that at each step of the process it was a "complete" build at the time but not necessarily feature complete. Not everything has to be in a game for it to be played in a stable sense. I would like to see the proof.

 

I never said that Darkfall was not what it has been hyped as.  The only people that know that is the beta testers.  I was referring to the posts on here discussing the release dates / status of beta for the game as I highlighted in the paragraph under the sentence that you were basing your comment on.

I never said anything about not being complete at each step of the process, I never said anything about not not being in a playable state, so I don't know why I would need to offer proof for these claims.

 I asked what proof to skeptics have. If they have none, then they need nto tell anyone what the "reality" of the situation is.

Originally posted by atziluth

Originally posted by xxpigxx

Originally posted by atziluth

"Darkfall could launch today. It's more ready for launch than most, if not all of the MMORPG titles at the same stage that I've personally sampled and it has been for quite some time." - Tasos

I don't believe any of those games ever made a claim like this. It is also now known that at the time he made this bold statement he knew that many core systems in the game were not even turned on for testing.

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Does not negate the fact that everyone is bitching and moaning over something that is trivial and not out of the ordinary

You mean as apposed to moaning over the fact that other people are moaning?

Seriously, it is a failed argument any way you slice it. Tasos could end all these posts TODAY... he simply needs to drop the NDA. Everyone would be so consumed about getting accurate information about the game most of these critical threads would slow to a trickle. Aventurine does not owe anyone anything just like the rest of us owe no loyalty to Aventurine. If you don't like the pissing and moaning about the game simply don't read the posts.

keep pissing you only hype darkfall more :)
 

Thx for all the pissing over the years Darkfall is hype without and advertisement:)

Originally posted by SSRat

The point is you can try and group all of these gaming companies to prove that delays do not matter (I point I can agree with) but what you fail to mention is that, with 1 month to go before their launch, we had more information, more develop articles, more quotes, more gameplay footage, more press releases, more media tested interviews, etc.... than we have in 7 years of Darkfall's existence. And that is the problem.
 
I don't really see this as a problem.  What good did all the information, articles, quotes, gameplay footage, press releases, inteviews, etc. do for the quality of those games?  Take AoC for example.  Did all that information make the game good?  No, it created the illusion of quality amidst many promises but the actual game sucked.
Demanding more information is not being skeptical.  Crying vaporware b/c of delays or no beta (for yourself) is not being skeptical.  Being negative is not being skeptical
Many point to the Tasos quote regarding the game being ready as proof of his 'stunts' and lies.  The game was delayed due to logistics as far as anyone knows, not the readiness of the game. 
Most of you are not skeptics, you are angry pigs snorting at an empty (information/beta) trough.  Way too much angst for a video game.  On one hand, you demand information.  On the other, you claim that you will only purchase the game if you or someone you know plays it first.  Well, which is it?  If you insist on first hand knowledge, who cares if there are delays and how much it will cost?  (btw, it's $50ish for the game and $15ish for the sub).  Who cares how much information they give you before release?
The self-styled skeptics are just as bad as those claiming the game is great having never played it.

EDIT - yes I registered in '04 and this is my first post. 
 

Of the stuff in red, are you SURE? Are you 100% positive? Do you have proof?

See, that's the argument. I expect the game to cost a lot more. I think the dollar-Euro conversion is going to be a surprise to many and is going to catch them off guard.

The reason the game was delayed is because (my assumption here) they are having publisher issues. Sure they have a great game but if you do not have the infrastructure in place to handle billing, account creation, distribution and the like, then it doesn't matter AT ALL what your game is like. Just like a car company can build the greatest car in the world but if there is no way to get it to the buyer, it doesn't matter.

What I do not understand is why people believe that these issues just cropped up! I mean seriously, did Aventurine not realize that this stuff wasn't ready or in place weeks ago? Why not tell us? Why wait to the last minute? And given what has transpired up to this point with how Aventurine treats its fans and the continual lack of information (when was the last time the FAQ was updated?) makes me skeptical.

And the sad part is, Aventurine could easily post information to answer a lot of questions that people have, they just don't do it.

Originally posted by thardin

Again I'm going to state that comparing delays with the mmo's listed in the OP and DF are nothing alike. 

You are correct.  Those companies I listed were big established companies.  Aventurine is not.  Therefore them delaying is to be expected even more. How can you expect aventurine to be on the same playing field as those companies?  Them delaying does not mean darkfall will fail and it doesn't mean it won't but trying to say Darkfall will fail because of the delay is absurd.

Originally posted by Kilmoran

Originally posted by Dameonk

Originally posted by Kilmoran 

 What proof do skeptics have that DFO is not what has been stated of it? What proof do they have that at each step of the process it was a "complete" build at the time but not necessarily feature complete. Not everything has to be in a game for it to be played in a stable sense. I would like to see the proof.

 

I never said that Darkfall was not what it has been hyped as.  The only people that know that is the beta testers.  I was referring to the posts on here discussing the release dates / status of beta for the game as I highlighted in the paragraph under the sentence that you were basing your comment on.

I never said anything about not being complete at each step of the process, I never said anything about not not being in a playable state, so I don't know why I would need to offer proof for these claims.

 

 I asked what proof to skeptics have. If they have none, then they need nto tell anyone what the "reality" of the situation is.

By your reasoning, I could make a site about a mmorpg I'm "developing" list dozens of features such as seige combat, naval warfare etc.. then once I've created a stable 3d chat room call the game feature complete?

Originally posted by Vutar

Originally posted by thardin

Again I'm going to state that comparing delays with the mmo's listed in the OP and DF are nothing alike. 

 

You are correct.  Those companies I listed were big established companies.  Aventurine is not.  Therefore them delaying is to be expected even more. How can you expect aventurine to be on the same playing field as those companies?  Them delaying does not mean darkfall will fail and it doesn't mean it won't but trying to say Darkfall will fail because of the delay is absurd.

I've never stated that DF will fail.  I have mentioned that I don't believe it'll be out when they say it will, based off past experiences, and that what Tasos says or posts shouldn't be believed, but never have I said DF will fail.

Originally posted by thardin

Originally posted by Vutar

Originally posted by thardin

Again I'm going to state that comparing delays with the mmo's listed in the OP and DF are nothing alike. 

 

You are correct.  Those companies I listed were big established companies.  Aventurine is not.  Therefore them delaying is to be expected even more. How can you expect aventurine to be on the same playing field as those companies?  Them delaying does not mean darkfall will fail and it doesn't mean it won't but trying to say Darkfall will fail because of the delay is absurd.

 

I've never stated that DF will fail.  I have mentioned that I don't believe it'll be out when they say it will, based off past experiences, and that what Tasos says or posts shouldn't be believed, but never have I said DF will fail.

You may not have but many on this board have.

Originally posted by templarga

Originally posted by SSRat

The point is you can try and group all of these gaming companies to prove that delays do not matter (I point I can agree with) but what you fail to mention is that, with 1 month to go before their launch, we had more information, more develop articles, more quotes, more gameplay footage, more press releases, more media tested interviews, etc.... than we have in 7 years of Darkfall's existence. And that is the problem.
 
I don't really see this as a problem.  What good did all the information, articles, quotes, gameplay footage, press releases, inteviews, etc. do for the quality of those games?  Take AoC for example.  Did all that information make the game good?  No, it created the illusion of quality amidst many promises but the actual game sucked.
Demanding more information is not being skeptical.  Crying vaporware b/c of delays or no beta (for yourself) is not being skeptical.  Being negative is not being skeptical
Many point to the Tasos quote regarding the game being ready as proof of his 'stunts' and lies.  The game was delayed due to logistics as far as anyone knows, not the readiness of the game. 
Most of you are not skeptics, you are angry pigs snorting at an empty (information/beta) trough.  Way too much angst for a video game.  On one hand, you demand information.  On the other, you claim that you will only purchase the game if you or someone you know plays it first.  Well, which is it?  If you insist on first hand knowledge, who cares if there are delays and how much it will cost?  (btw, it's $50ish for the game and $15ish for the sub).  Who cares how much information they give you before release?
The self-styled skeptics are just as bad as those claiming the game is great having never played it.

EDIT - yes I registered in '04 and this is my first post. 
 

Of the stuff in red, are you SURE? Are you 100% positive? Do you have proof?

See, that's the argument. I expect the game to cost a lot more. I think the dollar-Euro conversion is going to be a surprise to many and is going to catch them off guard.

The reason the game was delayed is because (my assumption here) they are having publisher issues. Sure they have a great game but if you do not have the infrastructure in place to handle billing, account creation, distribution and the like, then it doesn't matter AT ALL what your game is like. Just like a car company can build the greatest car in the world but if there is no way to get it to the buyer, it doesn't matter.

What I do not understand is why people believe that these issues just cropped up! I mean seriously, did Aventurine not realize that this stuff wasn't ready or in place weeks ago? Why not tell us? Why wait to the last minute? And given what has transpired up to this point with how Aventurine treats its fans and the continual lack of information (when was the last time the FAQ was updated?) makes me skeptical.

And the sad part is, Aventurine could easily post information to answer a lot of questions that people have, they just don't do it.

 I wil lsay two things to you. Look at the words "last minute" and try to think of them attempting to resolve the issues quickly and finding out it's not as easy as that, and thus deciding it was time for a new plan. Second thing i wish to say is Information is met with just as much hostility as a lack of it. People find negative tihngs to say either way...

Originally posted by Evasia

Originally posted by atziluth

Originally posted by xxpigxx

Originally posted by atziluth

"Darkfall could launch today. It's more ready for launch than most, if not all of the MMORPG titles at the same stage that I've personally sampled and it has been for quite some time." - Tasos

I don't believe any of those games ever made a claim like this. It is also now known that at the time he made this bold statement he knew that many core systems in the game were not even turned on for testing.

{ Mod Edit }

Does not negate the fact that everyone is bitching and moaning over something that is trivial and not out of the ordinary

You mean as apposed to moaning over the fact that other people are moaning?

Seriously, it is a failed argument any way you slice it. Tasos could end all these posts TODAY... he simply needs to drop the NDA. Everyone would be so consumed about getting accurate information about the game most of these critical threads would slow to a trickle. Aventurine does not owe anyone anything just like the rest of us owe no loyalty to Aventurine. If you don't like the pissing and moaning about the game simply don't read the posts.

keep pissing you only hype darkfall more :)
 

 

Thx for all the pissing over the years Darkfall is hype without and advertisement:)

So another one of those hype people huh? I love how the new fanboi argument is "hype more - because its free advertisement!" Really, are you sure?

Age of Conan was hyped to no end. Lots of hype, both good and bad. So much hype! But guess what - it didn't live up to it? And what happened? Massive drops in subscribers and revenue.

Was that a big deal? Sure, but see - Funcom is a huge company and they can weather the storm. Aventurine won't be able too.

So let them have all the hype they want. If the game doesn't live up to it, it will cause players to quit in massive numbers and the game will close. And trust me, hype may equal initial large numbers (which by their own Admission, Aventurine cannot handle) but hype does not equal recurring subscribers. So you can hinge your entire argument on hype, but it really doesn't matter. Hype doesn't pay the bills.

Originally posted by templarga

Originally posted by SSRat

The point is you can try and group all of these gaming companies to prove that delays do not matter (I point I can agree with) but what you fail to mention is that, with 1 month to go before their launch, we had more information, more develop articles, more quotes, more gameplay footage, more press releases, more media tested interviews, etc.... than we have in 7 years of Darkfall's existence. And that is the problem.
 
I don't really see this as a problem.  What good did all the information, articles, quotes, gameplay footage, press releases, inteviews, etc. do for the quality of those games?  Take AoC for example.  Did all that information make the game good?  No, it created the illusion of quality amidst many promises but the actual game sucked.
Demanding more information is not being skeptical.  Crying vaporware b/c of delays or no beta (for yourself) is not being skeptical.  Being negative is not being skeptical
Many point to the Tasos quote regarding the game being ready as proof of his 'stunts' and lies.  The game was delayed due to logistics as far as anyone knows, not the readiness of the game. 
Most of you are not skeptics, you are angry pigs snorting at an empty (information/beta) trough.  Way too much angst for a video game.  On one hand, you demand information.  On the other, you claim that you will only purchase the game if you or someone you know plays it first.  Well, which is it?  If you insist on first hand knowledge, who cares if there are delays and how much it will cost?  (btw, it's $50ish for the game and $15ish for the sub).  Who cares how much information they give you before release?
The self-styled skeptics are just as bad as those claiming the game is great having never played it.

EDIT - yes I registered in '04 and this is my first post. 
 

Of the stuff in red, are you SURE? Are you 100% positive? Do you have proof?

See, that's the argument. I expect the game to cost a lot more. I think the dollar-Euro conversion is going to be a surprise to many and is going to catch them off guard.

The reason the game was delayed is because (my assumption here) they are having publisher issues. Sure they have a great game but if you do not have the infrastructure in place to handle billing, account creation, distribution and the like, then it doesn't matter AT ALL what your game is like. Just like a car company can build the greatest car in the world but if there is no way to get it to the buyer, it doesn't matter.

What I do not understand is why people believe that these issues just cropped up! I mean seriously, did Aventurine not realize that this stuff wasn't ready or in place weeks ago? Why not tell us? Why wait to the last minute? And given what has transpired up to this point with how Aventurine treats its fans and the continual lack of information (when was the last time the FAQ was updated?) makes me skeptical.

And the sad part is, Aventurine could easily post information to answer a lot of questions that people have, they just don't do it.

It's straight from an interview (Tasos or Klaus I think).  Is it 100% accurate?  Probably not.  The inteviewee was ballparking.

Your assumption is not assumption if we are to believe the delay announcement.  I agree that logistics are important but the Tasos quote being thrown around was clearly refering to the game itself and its playability.

Who knows.  I, personally, don't care.  I love the game concept.  When it's ready, it's released.  I pay and play or I don't.  /shrug

They have stated many times that they do not want to post information on the game and its content.  Their intent is that 99% of game content and game play is discovered by the players.  Probably the same reason for the NDA staying in place atm.  This is how they want to produce their game.  There is no MMO template afaic since many that followed the template you would like to see have failed miserably.

RE: last minute - these logistics are important but they are also much more cookie cutter.  You don't really have to develop a payment platform; it's more a matter of linking everything together.  So, is another month enough time?  That all depends on where they were on 1/22. :D

Originally posted by thardin

Originally posted by Kilmoran

Originally posted by Dameonk

Originally posted by Kilmoran 

 What proof do skeptics have that DFO is not what has been stated of it? What proof do they have that at each step of the process it was a "complete" build at the time but not necessarily feature complete. Not everything has to be in a game for it to be played in a stable sense. I would like to see the proof.

 

I never said that Darkfall was not what it has been hyped as.  The only people that know that is the beta testers.  I was referring to the posts on here discussing the release dates / status of beta for the game as I highlighted in the paragraph under the sentence that you were basing your comment on.

I never said anything about not being complete at each step of the process, I never said anything about not not being in a playable state, so I don't know why I would need to offer proof for these claims.

 

 I asked what proof to skeptics have. If they have none, then they need nto tell anyone what the "reality" of the situation is.

 

By your reasoning, I could make a site about a mmorpg I'm "developing" list dozens of features such as seige combat, naval warfare etc.. then once I've created a stable 3d chat room call the game feature complete?

 Yes you could call it that. And as far as anyone knows, that is the only truth there is. That is the reality of things like this. Whether they are lying or telling the truth, their word is the only thing we have right now.

Originally posted by Kilmoran

Originally posted by templarga

Originally posted by SSRat

The point is you can try and group all of these gaming companies to prove that delays do not matter (I point I can agree with) but what you fail to mention is that, with 1 month to go before their launch, we had more information, more develop articles, more quotes, more gameplay footage, more press releases, more media tested interviews, etc.... than we have in 7 years of Darkfall's existence. And that is the problem.
 
I don't really see this as a problem.  What good did all the information, articles, quotes, gameplay footage, press releases, inteviews, etc. do for the quality of those games?  Take AoC for example.  Did all that information make the game good?  No, it created the illusion of quality amidst many promises but the actual game sucked.
Demanding more information is not being skeptical.  Crying vaporware b/c of delays or no beta (for yourself) is not being skeptical.  Being negative is not being skeptical
Many point to the Tasos quote regarding the game being ready as proof of his 'stunts' and lies.  The game was delayed due to logistics as far as anyone knows, not the readiness of the game. 
Most of you are not skeptics, you are angry pigs snorting at an empty (information/beta) trough.  Way too much angst for a video game.  On one hand, you demand information.  On the other, you claim that you will only purchase the game if you or someone you know plays it first.  Well, which is it?  If you insist on first hand knowledge, who cares if there are delays and how much it will cost?  (btw, it's $50ish for the game and $15ish for the sub).  Who cares how much information they give you before release?
The self-styled skeptics are just as bad as those claiming the game is great having never played it.

EDIT - yes I registered in '04 and this is my first post. 
 

Of the stuff in red, are you SURE? Are you 100% positive? Do you have proof?

See, that's the argument. I expect the game to cost a lot more. I think the dollar-Euro conversion is going to be a surprise to many and is going to catch them off guard.

The reason the game was delayed is because (my assumption here) they are having publisher issues. Sure they have a great game but if you do not have the infrastructure in place to handle billing, account creation, distribution and the like, then it doesn't matter AT ALL what your game is like. Just like a car company can build the greatest car in the world but if there is no way to get it to the buyer, it doesn't matter.

What I do not understand is why people believe that these issues just cropped up! I mean seriously, did Aventurine not realize that this stuff wasn't ready or in place weeks ago? Why not tell us? Why wait to the last minute? And given what has transpired up to this point with how Aventurine treats its fans and the continual lack of information (when was the last time the FAQ was updated?) makes me skeptical.

And the sad part is, Aventurine could easily post information to answer a lot of questions that people have, they just don't do it.

 

 I wil lsay two things to you. Look at the words "last minute" and try to think of them attempting to resolve the issues quickly and finding out it's not as easy as that, and thus deciding it was time for a new plan. Second thing i wish to say is Information is met with just as much hostility as a lack of it. People find negative tihngs to say either way...

The issues they mentioned as to why the game was delayed should never, ever be a last minute issue for any gaming company. Those things should be worked out months ahead of time. I just do not believe the last minute argument - they should have known months ago that these things would not be ready. But I guess we just disagree on that (which is fine); I just saying it doesn't make sense to me.

Originally posted by Kilmoran

Originally posted by thardin

Originally posted by Kilmoran

Originally posted by Dameonk

Originally posted by Kilmoran 

 What proof do skeptics have that DFO is not what has been stated of it? What proof do they have that at each step of the process it was a "complete" build at the time but not necessarily feature complete. Not everything has to be in a game for it to be played in a stable sense. I would like to see the proof.

 

I never said that Darkfall was not what it has been hyped as.  The only people that know that is the beta testers.  I was referring to the posts on here discussing the release dates / status of beta for the game as I highlighted in the paragraph under the sentence that you were basing your comment on.

I never said anything about not being complete at each step of the process, I never said anything about not not being in a playable state, so I don't know why I would need to offer proof for these claims.

 

 I asked what proof to skeptics have. If they have none, then they need nto tell anyone what the "reality" of the situation is.

 

By your reasoning, I could make a site about a mmorpg I'm "developing" list dozens of features such as seige combat, naval warfare etc.. then once I've created a stable 3d chat room call the game feature complete?

 

 Yes you could call it that. And as far as anyone knows, that is the only truth there is. That is the reality of things like this. Whether they are lying or telling the truth, their word is the only thing we have right now.

Which, with their past record, isn't worth much.

Yes, they should have.  But they didn't have a publisher until very late in the game.  Everyone knew that (I thought).   Did they screw up by not landing a publisher sooner?  Probably.  But worst case scenario is a delay in launch which is nothing new in MMO land.

Originally posted by templarga

Originally posted by Kilmoran

Originally posted by templarga

Originally posted by SSRat

The point is you can try and group all of these gaming companies to prove that delays do not matter (I point I can agree with) but what you fail to mention is that, with 1 month to go before their launch, we had more information, more develop articles, more quotes, more gameplay footage, more press releases, more media tested interviews, etc.... than we have in 7 years of Darkfall's existence. And that is the problem.
 
I don't really see this as a problem.  What good did all the information, articles, quotes, gameplay footage, press releases, inteviews, etc. do for the quality of those games?  Take AoC for example.  Did all that information make the game good?  No, it created the illusion of quality amidst many promises but the actual game sucked.
Demanding more information is not being skeptical.  Crying vaporware b/c of delays or no beta (for yourself) is not being skeptical.  Being negative is not being skeptical
Many point to the Tasos quote regarding the game being ready as proof of his 'stunts' and lies.  The game was delayed due to logistics as far as anyone knows, not the readiness of the game. 
Most of you are not skeptics, you are angry pigs snorting at an empty (information/beta) trough.  Way too much angst for a video game.  On one hand, you demand information.  On the other, you claim that you will only purchase the game if you or someone you know plays it first.  Well, which is it?  If you insist on first hand knowledge, who cares if there are delays and how much it will cost?  (btw, it's $50ish for the game and $15ish for the sub).  Who cares how much information they give you before release?
The self-styled skeptics are just as bad as those claiming the game is great having never played it.

EDIT - yes I registered in '04 and this is my first post. 
 

Of the stuff in red, are you SURE? Are you 100% positive? Do you have proof?

See, that's the argument. I expect the game to cost a lot more. I think the dollar-Euro conversion is going to be a surprise to many and is going to catch them off guard.

The reason the game was delayed is because (my assumption here) they are having publisher issues. Sure they have a great game but if you do not have the infrastructure in place to handle billing, account creation, distribution and the like, then it doesn't matter AT ALL what your game is like. Just like a car company can build the greatest car in the world but if there is no way to get it to the buyer, it doesn't matter.

What I do not understand is why people believe that these issues just cropped up! I mean seriously, did Aventurine not realize that this stuff wasn't ready or in place weeks ago? Why not tell us? Why wait to the last minute? And given what has transpired up to this point with how Aventurine treats its fans and the continual lack of information (when was the last time the FAQ was updated?) makes me skeptical.

And the sad part is, Aventurine could easily post information to answer a lot of questions that people have, they just don't do it.

 

 I wil lsay two things to you. Look at the words "last minute" and try to think of them attempting to resolve the issues quickly and finding out it's not as easy as that, and thus deciding it was time for a new plan. Second thing i wish to say is Information is met with just as much hostility as a lack of it. People find negative tihngs to say either way...

The issues they mentioned as to why the game was delayed should never, ever be a last minute issue for any gaming company. Those things should be worked out months ahead of time. I just do not believe the last minute argument - they should have known months ago that these things would not be ready. But I guess we just disagree on that (which is fine); I just saying it doesn't make sense to me.

 I can udnerstand why it doesn't make sense, and arguements against it. However that does not change the fact that it is the only informatino we know. We do know they haven't had a publisher for many months to begin with... beyond that... we can only guess as the the other reasons we have no real infor or facts on. I will never say that "doom and gloom" has no "reason" to exist... (not saying yours is) but i wil lsay it has no true purpose other than t ocreate that feeling maongst others. The exact same thing can be said about hype. All that matters in the end... is the end (or the begining).

Originally posted by SSRat

Yes, they should have.  But they didn't have a publisher until very late in the game.  Everyone knew that (I thought).   Did they screw up by not landing a publisher sooner?  Probably.  But worst case scenario is a delay in launch which is nothing new in MMO land.

I agree but what I wish (or hoped) is that they had come clean and simply said that. You know, something like, "Hey the game is ready and it could launch now, but we are needing more from our publisher. They came in late and are still working to set-up the infrastructure. This is going to delay launch for X amount of time."

Something like that would have been awesome. I just get frustrated by the lack of information about the stuff that matters.

Originally posted by thardin

Originally posted by Kilmoran

Originally posted by thardin

Originally posted by Kilmoran

Originally posted by Dameonk

Originally posted by Kilmoran 

 What proof do skeptics have that DFO is not what has been stated of it? What proof do they have that at each step of the process it was a "complete" build at the time but not necessarily feature complete. Not everything has to be in a game for it to be played in a stable sense. I would like to see the proof.

 

I never said that Darkfall was not what it has been hyped as.  The only people that know that is the beta testers.  I was referring to the posts on here discussing the release dates / status of beta for the game as I highlighted in the paragraph under the sentence that you were basing your comment on.

I never said anything about not being complete at each step of the process, I never said anything about not not being in a playable state, so I don't know why I would need to offer proof for these claims.

 

 I asked what proof to skeptics have. If they have none, then they need nto tell anyone what the "reality" of the situation is.

 

By your reasoning, I could make a site about a mmorpg I'm "developing" list dozens of features such as seige combat, naval warfare etc.. then once I've created a stable 3d chat room call the game feature complete?

 

 Yes you could call it that. And as far as anyone knows, that is the only truth there is. That is the reality of things like this. Whether they are lying or telling the truth, their word is the only thing we have right now.

 

Which, with their past record, isn't worth much.

 The record of as of yet uncomfirmed information and the occassional thoughts that they "might" have had a beta before now? I would say their record shows nothing more than is worthless.
 

Originally posted by templarga

Originally posted by SSRat

Yes, they should have.  But they didn't have a publisher until very late in the game.  Everyone knew that (I thought).   Did they screw up by not landing a publisher sooner?  Probably.  But worst case scenario is a delay in launch which is nothing new in MMO land.

I agree but what I wish (or hoped) is that they had come clean and simply said that. You know, something like, "Hey the game is ready and it could launch now, but we are needing more from our publisher. They came in late and are still working to set-up the infrastructure. This is going to delay launch for X amount of time."

Something like that would have been awesome. I just get frustrated by the lack of information about the stuff that matters.

 ... That is essentially exactly what they stated was a big part of the issue.

Originally posted by Kilmoran

Originally posted by templarga

Originally posted by SSRat

Yes, they should have.  But they didn't have a publisher until very late in the game.  Everyone knew that (I thought).   Did they screw up by not landing a publisher sooner?  Probably.  But worst case scenario is a delay in launch which is nothing new in MMO land.

I agree but what I wish (or hoped) is that they had come clean and simply said that. You know, something like, "Hey the game is ready and it could launch now, but we are needing more from our publisher. They came in late and are still working to set-up the infrastructure. This is going to delay launch for X amount of time."

Something like that would have been awesome. I just get frustrated by the lack of information about the stuff that matters.

 

 ... That is essentially exactly what they stated was a big part of the issue.

At the last minute, one week before the supposed launch.