Originally posted by vala2008

People get it so wrong...i wasnt the technical issues at release that was the problem, we all expected that, its the lies, false promises and totaly delussion of the company. I mean come on....4 months and still DX10 not implimented...and they are making changes to the gem system.,....again, how many times are they going to overhaul the entire system?

Not everyone left AOC just after launch for the issues that YOU left AOC for.  Where they wrong to leave for reasons that differed to yours?  No.  Yours is not the ONLY opinion or reason to matter.  I'm not going to get into the whole argument and discussion as to whether or not AOC lied, because quite frankly there are higher priority aspects to be dealt with than Dx10.  Regardless of how someone interprets what was written on the box. 

Suffice it to say, that some people have gotten over the issues concerning the AOC launch.  I can personally vouch that people ARE returning to the game and are surprised by what's changed for the better.  You can believe me or not, it doesn't matter.  I'm not trying to sell the game.  I'm giving facts.

As for the gem changes?  They were nerfed for a legitimate reason, the reasons why they haven't implemented ways to make gems more meaningful has been already explained on the forums and the reasoning is understandable.  The gems can only be made more meaningful once reitemisation in patch 5 goes live.  And that IS happening after the next patch.

My suggestion is that rather than looking to the past, try looking to the present and the future.  Sure it still needs work, no one is denying that.  But after reading the dev posts, you get the feeling that they DO have a fully understandable and logical plan for the development of the game.

Originally posted by Tarka

My suggestion is that rather than looking to the past, try looking to the present and the future.  Sure it still needs work, no one is denying that.  But after reading the dev posts, you get the feeling that they DO have a fully understandable and logical plan for the development of the game.

I almost agree with this. But with all the work that have been done to AoC I find it a bit tragic that they once again give Erling Ellingsen another chance to mess things up.

IMO he have absolutely no credibility. His pathetic attempts at "damagecontrol" has cost Funcom's stockholders more money than all bad re-reviews and socalled "trolls" and "haters" combined!

Originally posted by Halandir

Originally posted by Tarka

My suggestion is that rather than looking to the past, try looking to the present and the future.  Sure it still needs work, no one is denying that.  But after reading the dev posts, you get the feeling that they DO have a fully understandable and logical plan for the development of the game.

 

I almost agree with this. But with all the work that have been done to AoC I find it a bit tragic that they once again give Erling Ellingsen another chance to mess things up.

IMO he have absolutely no credibility. His pathetic attempts at "damagecontrol" has cost Funcom's stockholders more money than all bad re-reviews and socalled "trolls" and "haters" combined!

 

He aint the only one that was interviewed today, Craig "Silirrion" Morrison (Game Director) was also being interviewed over on Eurogamer iirc.

Originally posted by Hamrtime2

It sounds to me like this EE guy is full of shit.

Like everybody else that play AoC because they like it

Originally posted by Halandir

Originally posted by Tarka

My suggestion is that rather than looking to the past, try looking to the present and the future.  Sure it still needs work, no one is denying that.  But after reading the dev posts, you get the feeling that they DO have a fully understandable and logical plan for the development of the game.

 

I almost agree with this. But with all the work that have been done to AoC I find it a bit tragic that they once again give Erling Ellingsen another chance to mess things up.

IMO he have absolutely no credibility. His pathetic attempts at "damagecontrol" has cost Funcom's stockholders more money than all bad re-reviews and socalled "trolls" and "haters" combined!

 

Fck stockholders, EE and what not. For christ sake you do absolutely not need them. For you annoyance with EE though, I fully understand you. I don't have a compatability issue with him. Well, sure enough he always get into this overenthusiastic role where everything is fantastic, But then again I have never seen him act differently. Meaning it's most likely his personality. He might even be like that even when taking a shit. I know of fare more annoying personality traits than that. Let it slide.

Same thing for me, I can't fcking take that fat CEO for WAR. Constantly blabbing about how much of an success this or that WAR was, while the actual truth was, every evening the whole server would sit chatting about how pathetic the no RvR condition and all the disasterous lag in RvR were. There was no doubt about that the whole lag problematics were a huge Hoax from Mythic and MJs side. There is no way in hell they could not be aware of this before they launched. Still MJ would fire off his usual "Most smooth MMO launch ever and so on...". It's called BS from gaming companies. Now in the end, I have put an ignore on MJs comments and just let it slide.

Focus on the game, and yes, even though I joined late and everything was more or less ok when I started, the game have just kept getting better and better and better over the last 3 months. I am actually willing to give it grades in the 8 to 10 now (looking on all categories in MMORPG).

Who is in charge at FC that would let this person show his face to thepublic let alone talk to media? His vanishing act was the best thing that could have happened an dnow hes back at it. Not good news.

Originally posted by ScamMan

Originally posted by Halandir

Originally posted by Tarka

My suggestion is that rather than looking to the past, try looking to the present and the future.  Sure it still needs work, no one is denying that.  But after reading the dev posts, you get the feeling that they DO have a fully understandable and logical plan for the development of the game.

 

I almost agree with this. But with all the work that have been done to AoC I find it a bit tragic that they once again give Erling Ellingsen another chance to mess things up.

IMO he have absolutely no credibility. His pathetic attempts at "damagecontrol" has cost Funcom's stockholders more money than all bad re-reviews and socalled "trolls" and "haters" combined!

 

 

Fck stockholders, EE and what not. For christ sake you do absolutely not need them. For you annoyance with EE though, I fully understand you. I don't have a compatability issue with him. Well, sure enough he always get into this overenthusiastic role where everything is fantastic, But then again I have never seen him act differently. Meaning it's most likely his personality. He might even be like that even when taking a shit. I know of fare more annoying personality traits than that. Let it slide.

Same thing for me, I can't fcking take that fat CEO for WAR. Constantly blabbing about how much of an success this or that WAR was, while the actual truth was, every evening the whole server would sit chatting about how pathetic the no RvR condition and all the disasterous lag in RvR were. There was no doubt about that the whole lag problematics were a huge Hoax from Mythic and MJs side. There is no way in hell they could not be aware of this before they launched. Still MJ would fire off his usual "Most smooth MMO launch ever and so on...". It's called BS from gaming companies. Now in the end, I have put an ignore on MJs comments and just let it slide.

Focus on the game, and yes, even though I joined late and everything was more or less ok when I started, the game have just kept getting better and better and better over the last 3 months. I am actually willing to give it grades in the 8 to 10 now (looking on all categories in MMORPG).

 

 

Must   turn    away    from    the    hypocracy ......

Particulary interesting is the idea of F-ing the stockholders. That makes perfect business sense. 8/10 for you.

The focus on techincal issues, or lack thereof, for the launch misses the point. The game was a pos. the amount of missing or incomplete content was ridiculously absurd.  I think if the game was complete but broken, people would have been a lot more willing to put up with it. But with the game incomplete and broken it was too much.

People had no idea what the final product would look like, and they were paying for it. Even systems that worked, were so bare bones you didn't know if that was the end result or just something they rushed out the door for launch (chat system anyone?)

Also AA, when you say the billing worked well for you, I think that is what that poster was trying to say, they made sure they got paid. They just didn't make sure the game was finished.

Originally posted by vala2008

I was really interested in this article but after reading the first line "

Erling Ellingsen: The launch itself went very well, without any major technical difficulties, and sales wise it was an astounding success."

I couldnt stop laughing...seriously that made my day haha no mister absolutely no major techincl difficulties, wink wink. You know what, i think its great if developers can make a fantasy but to live in one is something else!

Comparatively speaking it was smoother than City of Heroes, World Of Warcraft, TR, and many others that are essentially dead games now...

And it being up more than CoH is saying something.. WoW servers were down more than they were up at release I ended up with a months free time in compensation...

Funcom compensated ~10% of their user base for a weeks time with only one server of their many being down all of one day...

Originally posted by dhayes68

The focus on techincal issues, or lack thereof, for the launch misses the point. The game was a pos. the amount of missing or incomplete content was ridiculously absurd.  I think if the game was complete but broken, people would have been a lot more willing to put up with it. But with the game incomplete and broken it was too much.

People had no idea what the final product would look like, and they were paying for it. Even systems that worked, were so bare bones you didn't know if that was the end result or just something they rushed out the door for launch (chat system anyone?)

Also AA, when you say the billing worked well for you, I think that is what that poster was trying to say, they made sure they got paid. They just didn't make sure the game was finished.

Massive dramatic exaggeration, blowing issues hugely out of galxtic proportions, does not equal making a good point.

Originally posted by OrionMan

Originally posted by dhayes68

The focus on techincal issues, or lack thereof, for the launch misses the point. The game was a pos. the amount of missing or incomplete content was ridiculously absurd.  I think if the game was complete but broken, people would have been a lot more willing to put up with it. But with the game incomplete and broken it was too much.

People had no idea what the final product would look like, and they were paying for it. Even systems that worked, were so bare bones you didn't know if that was the end result or just something they rushed out the door for launch (chat system anyone?)

Also AA, when you say the billing worked well for you, I think that is what that poster was trying to say, they made sure they got paid. They just didn't make sure the game was finished.

Massive dramatic exaggeration, blowing issues hugely out of galxtic proportions, does not equal making a good point.

Unfortunately, some people in the world just cannot get over the past.  They would rather focus 100% on it,  rather than looking to the present or the future.  Sometimes, exaggerating the truth helps such people feel more comfortable with their arguments. 

Its a shame that some refuse to compromise or even be prepared to change their viewpoints and move on.  Such is the nature of intolerance.

In a lot of cases, one neither has to forgive, nor forget.  But one SHOULD learn to tolerate.

An interesting read.

I do take serious issue with him pointing to his official forums as a sign that the community is happy.   Funcom has been notorious for locking / deleting/ silencing the voices of its customers on those forums.  They basically control those forums with an iron fist, so using them to make a case is plain silly.

Originally posted by Paragus1

An interesting read.

I do take serious issue with him pointing to his official forums as a sign that the community is happy.   Funcom has been notorious for locking / deleting/ silencing the voices of its customers on those forums.  They basically control those forums with an iron fist, so using them to make a case is plain silly.

Funnily enough, the EU forums seem quite balanced on that respect.  The Mods on the EU (english speaking) forums allow for constructive critisism.  Its just the plain "BAH THIS SUXXXORS!!! DARFALL IS GUNNA PWNS AOC" gets locked and for the right reasons, its not constructive, its just flame bait.  People who use profantities have their posts edited and verbally warned.  Only if they do persist in doing it do they get banned.  And I agree with that stance tbh.

Originally posted by croemar
Erling Ellingsen has the ability to give long speeches, yet you feel like you've not heard a single word of importance.

That's what you get from Marketing types.

Besides, that's the feeling I got with George W. Bush XD

Originally posted by Tarka

Originally posted by OrionMan

Originally posted by dhayes68

The focus on techincal issues, or lack thereof, for the launch misses the point. The game was a pos. the amount of missing or incomplete content was ridiculously absurd.  I think if the game was complete but broken, people would have been a lot more willing to put up with it. But with the game incomplete and broken it was too much.

People had no idea what the final product would look like, and they were paying for it. Even systems that worked, were so bare bones you didn't know if that was the end result or just something they rushed out the door for launch (chat system anyone?)

Also AA, when you say the billing worked well for you, I think that is what that poster was trying to say, they made sure they got paid. They just didn't make sure the game was finished.

Massive dramatic exaggeration, blowing issues hugely out of galxtic proportions, does not equal making a good point.

Unfortunately, some people in the world just cannot get over the past.  They would rather focus 100% on it,  rather than looking to the present or the future.  Sometimes, exaggerating the truth helps such people feel more comfortable with their arguments. 

Its a shame that some refuse to compromise or even be prepared to change their viewpoints and move on.  Such is the nature of intolerance.

In a lot of cases, one neither has to forgive, nor forget.  But one SHOULD learn to tolerate.

Thank you for the lesson in your opinion on "tolerance". I guess now all the fans will be very tolerant towards those that do not share their feelings towards Funcom?

Well joking aside I do think you got all that a bit backwards. This company, who lied to their customers, now have less income than they could have had. And you call the ex-customers who refuse to return and spread the word on the treatment they got "intolerant" - Please...

As for the past: I did consider Erling Ellingsen a thing of the past - Amazed that Funcom insists on throwing him back at us here in the present. Obviously he has not learned a lot.

Anyway, it is good to see that Orionman suddenly have developed a dislike for exaggerations and things getting blown out of proportion... I am looking forward to this new and improved Orionman

Tarka made me laugh, his whole argument is people concentrate on the past....well its called learning and you should trying it cause that way you wont get slapped by the same hand in the same place....by the way forums are a place to give personal opinion and as i played AoC for a dam long time i think i have got the right to give any opinion no matter how much you cant handle it.

Mr Ellingsen didn't seem to mention anything about fixing the group system, or making it easier to use. Thats the #1 thing thats pissing me off about AoC right now.

I guess i dont count because i'm still on my free 30 days

Originally posted by OrionMan

Originally posted by dhayes68

The focus on techincal issues, or lack thereof, for the launch misses the point. The game was a pos. the amount of missing or incomplete content was ridiculously absurd.  I think if the game was complete but broken, people would have been a lot more willing to put up with it. But with the game incomplete and broken it was too much.

People had no idea what the final product would look like, and they were paying for it. Even systems that worked, were so bare bones you didn't know if that was the end result or just something they rushed out the door for launch (chat system anyone?)

Also AA, when you say the billing worked well for you, I think that is what that poster was trying to say, they made sure they got paid. They just didn't make sure the game was finished.

 

Massive dramatic exaggeration, blowing issues hugely out of galxtic proportions, does not equal making a good point.

You are absolutely correct. However, correct though you may be, it does not apply to what I wrote.  I specifically note that not only did you not refute or refer anything I wrote specifically, you also, ironically and comically, used the metaphor 'galactic' describe why exaggerating is bad.

These are the kind of people satisfied with FC's product.

Originally posted by Tarka

Originally posted by OrionMan

Originally posted by dhayes68

The focus on techincal issues, or lack thereof, for the launch misses the point. The game was a pos. the amount of missing or incomplete content was ridiculously absurd.  I think if the game was complete but broken, people would have been a lot more willing to put up with it. But with the game incomplete and broken it was too much.

People had no idea what the final product would look like, and they were paying for it. Even systems that worked, were so bare bones you didn't know if that was the end result or just something they rushed out the door for launch (chat system anyone?)

Also AA, when you say the billing worked well for you, I think that is what that poster was trying to say, they made sure they got paid. They just didn't make sure the game was finished.

Massive dramatic exaggeration, blowing issues hugely out of galxtic proportions, does not equal making a good point.

Unfortunately, some people in the world just cannot get over the past.  They would rather focus 100% on it,  rather than looking to the present or the future.  Sometimes, exaggerating the truth helps such people feel more comfortable with their arguments. 

Its a shame that some refuse to compromise or even be prepared to change their viewpoints and move on.  Such is the nature of intolerance.

In a lot of cases, one neither has to forgive, nor forget.  But one SHOULD learn to tolerate.

Why should I learn to tolerate paying for a crappy product?  Thats sucker talk.