mymmogulsnetwork.)blogspot.com/2009/01/watch-recording-of-todays-mmoguls.html
 
You'll have to register there. Just use some phoney info and a U.S. phone number
That is reported to be Gary Whiting talking.
 
Pay attention at the end and you'll hear some classic pyramid scheme language going on regarding bonuses and exaggerated numbers. Exactly the kind of stuff the the Federal Trade Commission tells people to watch out for when trying to identify if something is an illegal pyramid scheme.
Also pay attention to how he thinks the commands (guilds in SGW) are perfect fronts to recruit people into the "program".
 
 

Well, this has been talked about alot in many game sites and alot of them fault CME for how they run their froums, I guess when they pick fanbois as moderators it can be expected.

Unfortunately it's not being denounced everywhere enough.......yet.

I wonder as on cheyenne website there is no photo of gary whiting, basically anyone could stand up and claim to be him couldn't they???

I watched their presentation and mmoguls is also saying other companies even turbine are going to be involved, now I wonder if turbine knows about this one.

Oh I never saw any video of gary whiting on it, no video at all so it could have been anyone.

Oh look at name on presentation, its not gary supposedly as the name is someone else.

 One more thing I forgot to add is mmoguls presentation also mentions that game will be sold in normal outlets not just through their scam.

CME has nothing to do with mmoguls it is one of CMEs investors that does Gary Whiting who is just doing what he want to do. Now how about you leave CME devs to make a mmorpg. Remember what one person does doesn't mean the whole company is involved with mmoguls.

Originally posted by supremeaaron

CME has nothing to do with mmoguls it is one of CMEs investors that does Gary Whiting who is just doing what he want to do. Now how about you leave CME devs to make a mmorpg. Remember what one person does doesn't mean the whole company is involved with mmoguls.

You guys still blindly towing this line need to wake up. Not only is it completely naive, but by doing so you're helping them pull this. You are being used.

The guy is the founder, Chairman and CEO, and majority owner of CME and FireSky (wholly owned subsidiary) . He's not just "one of CME's investors". For all intents and purposes he is CME., and he is using SGW in this scheme. He is using YOU, the unwitting fans waiting for the game.

You guys are doing real harm by not opening your eyes. At every step of this we that first noticed what was happening have been right. It's all been proved to be true. Yet as each new dirty truth has been revealed, you poor people come up with some other way to stay in denial.

Anyway, here is a post I found elsewhere. Do what is right people, take a minute to write and denounce this, and make it clear that the Stargate IP shouldn't be involved with this.

For anyone wishing to express their concern over The Stargate IP being used in this manner to MGM, the owner of the Stargate IP, here are some avenues for you to do that.

You can write to:

Charles E. Cohen
Senior Executive Vice President
MGM Finance and Corporate Development
MGM Television Entertainment
10250 Constellation Boulevard
Los Angeles, CA, 90067

Or email to:

ccohen@mgm.com

Some other MGM contact emails:

mgmonline@mgm.com

4you@MGM.com

MGM might need a wake up call as to just how their property is being used before it's too late.

It doesn't really matter. SGW will never see the light of day under CME development and even if it does it will be a god awful game on par with Tabula Rasa but with less success than Matrix Online.

Originally posted by Copeland

It doesn't really matter. SGW will never see the light of day under CME development and even if it does it will be a god awful game on par with Tabula Rasa but with less success than Matrix Online.

You haven't even seen the game as yet so how can you compare it to tabula rasa?? until then what your saying is garbage

Originally posted by sancher36

Originally posted by Copeland

It doesn't really matter. SGW will never see the light of day under CME development and even if it does it will be a god awful game on par with Tabula Rasa but with less success than Matrix Online.

 

You haven't even seen the game as yet so how can you compare it to tabula rasa?? until then what your saying is garbage

I've seen it and played it. Hell, they can keep my beta account. Not only is Copeland correct, but I'd say he's also being mild in his description. SGW makes TR look like a triple AAA title.

Originally posted by Zorvan

Originally posted by sancher36

Originally posted by Copeland

It doesn't really matter. SGW will never see the light of day under CME development and even if it does it will be a god awful game on par with Tabula Rasa but with less success than Matrix Online.

 

You haven't even seen the game as yet so how can you compare it to tabula rasa?? until then what your saying is garbage

 

I've seen it and played it. Hell, they can keep my beta account. Not only is Copeland correct, but I'd say he's also being mild in his description. SGW makes TR look like a triple AAA title.

You are breaking NDA for even mentioning you are in beta, did you know that??

Oh guys about the mmoguls thing, I emailed them and this is the response I got:

Alan,

I know this is a long paragraph but I figure more information is better then not enough, right: Please see the bold part about the relationship of Mmoguls and CME.

MMOGULS is the first iSNAP and as such all Customers, Subscribers and Affiliates need to be clear about what statements can and cannot be made, especially during our pre-launch. You are an independent contractor. Secondly, your subscription is for - the Social Network, membership in the Discount Mall, and all of the games and other entertainment products MMOGULS provides to you through the mall. While we are enthusiastically waiting for the first major release from Cheyenne Mountain Games, you must adhere to MMOGULS' Policies and Procedures strictly. Those Policies and Procedures prohibit the use of any trademarks, names, branding, of MMOGULS or any company selling products and services to MMOGULS. For example, no Subscriber or Affiliate may use any reference to Stargate in conjunction with MMOGULS in any communications, marketing materials, or internet postings you create. You may however say that MMOGULS will have access to all Cheyenne Mountain Games through its partner ITZYourMall.com. You may, however, talk generically about the social networking, online games, and other industries, the business opportunity, etc., while using the term, "Independent MMOGULS Affiliate" next to your name. Please reference the Policies and Procedures if you have questions. Infractions that are not immediately corrected will result in having your Moguls Membership terminated.

Member Services
memberservices@mmoguls.com
 

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Originally posted by sancher36

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Originally posted by Zorvan

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Originally posted by sancher36

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Originally posted by Copeland

It doesn't really matter. SGW will never see the light of day under CME development and even if it does it will be a god awful game on par with Tabula Rasa but with less success than Matrix Online.

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You haven't even seen the game as yet so how can you compare it to tabula rasa?? until then what your saying is garbage

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I've seen it and played it. Hell, they can keep my beta account. Not only is Copeland correct, but I'd say he's also being mild in his description. SGW makes TR look like a triple AAA title.

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You are breaking NDA for even mentioning you are in beta, did you know that??
Oh guys about the mmoguls thing, I emailed them and this is the response I got:
Alan,
I know this is a long paragraph but I figure more information is better then not enough, right: Please see the bold part about the relationship of Mmoguls and CME.

MMOGULS is the first iSNAP and as such all Customers, Subscribers and Affiliates need to be clear about what statements can and cannot be made, especially during our pre-launch. You are an independent contractor. Secondly, your subscription is for - the Social Network, membership in the Discount Mall, and all of the games and other entertainment products MMOGULS provides to you through the mall. While we are enthusiastically waiting for the first major release from Cheyenne Mountain Games, you must adhere to MMOGULS' Policies and Procedures strictly. Those Policies and Procedures prohibit the use of any trademarks, names, branding, of MMOGULS or any company selling products and services to MMOGULS. For example, no Subscriber or Affiliate may use any reference to Stargate in conjunction with MMOGULS in any communications, marketing materials, or internet postings you create. You may however say that MMOGULS will have access to all Cheyenne Mountain Games through its partner ITZYourMall.com. You may, however, talk generically about the social networking, online games, and other industries, the business opportunity, etc., while using the term, "Independent MMOGULS Affiliate" next to your name. Please reference the Policies and Procedures if you have questions. Infractions that are not immediately corrected will result in having your Moguls Membership terminated.
 

Member Services
memberservices@mmoguls.com
 

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I think he knows he's breaking the NDA and doesn't care because the game is so bad he doesn't plan on playing it. Of course he'll never get another chance to play it anyway so what does it matter? Stick a fork in it. The game is dead.

One thing I can't understand guys if you hate a game so much why do you even bother trolling the forums ?? is maturity an issue here ??

 Any normal person wouldn't do this would they?? its sort of pathetic and childish wouldn't you agree??

Originally posted by sancher36

One thing I can't understand guys if you hate a game so much why do you even bother trolling the forums ?? is maturity an issue here ??

 Any normal person wouldn't do this would they?? its sort of pathetic and childish wouldn't you agree??

I don't consider maybe a total of 3 or 4 posts in this section since it was put here as "trolling the forum". I said my peace, and left it at that.

Oh, and let me know what your definition of a "normal" person is, since every psychologist out there can't agree on it.

Originally posted by Zorvan

Originally posted by sancher36

One thing I can't understand guys if you hate a game so much why do you even bother trolling the forums ?? is maturity an issue here ??

 Any normal person wouldn't do this would they?? its sort of pathetic and childish wouldn't you agree??

 

I don't consider maybe a total of 3 or 4 posts in this section since it was put here as "trolling the forum". I said my peace, and left it at that.

Oh, and let me know what your definition of a "normal" person is, since every psychologist out there can't agree on it.

Didn't even mention your name unless your feeling guilty right?? I just get annoyed with the regular trolls thats all

Originally posted by sancher36

Originally posted by Zorvan

Originally posted by sancher36

One thing I can't understand guys if you hate a game so much why do you even bother trolling the forums ?? is maturity an issue here ??

 Any normal person wouldn't do this would they?? its sort of pathetic and childish wouldn't you agree??

 

I don't consider maybe a total of 3 or 4 posts in this section since it was put here as "trolling the forum". I said my peace, and left it at that.

Oh, and let me know what your definition of a "normal" person is, since every psychologist out there can't agree on it.

 

Didn't even mention your name unless your feeling guilty right?? I just get annoyed with the regular trolls thats all

Oh, well then. My mistake for thinking you meant myself and Copeland when we were the two you were responding to and then said "What I don't understand guys..."

Originally posted by sancher36

One thing I can't understand guys if you hate a game so much why do you even bother trolling the forums ?? is maturity an issue here ??

 Any normal person wouldn't do this would they?? its sort of pathetic and childish wouldn't you agree??

Just stop, please.  No one hates the game.  They hate the obvious lies and deception being practiced on the fans of the IP by CME/mmoguls and their officers.

They are trying to help you, the mislead fan understand what's happening and why you're probably never going to see a decent game come of this.

A few on forums have basically said they don't like it but yet keep coming back to forums for more.

As for mmoguls did you read what I posted earlier?? also the mlm setup is currently illegal as they are taking money off unsuspecting people without any product to offer them in return, also in a presentation I watched mmoguls claimed that they will have access to another game in june from turbine.

mmoguls is from how I see it acting like a socalled middleman of the game but also the game will be sold through normal means so mmoguls presentation explains.

I'm not sure where to report mmoguls in the US but I know here in australia it would be classed as illegal for how its being setup.

Originally posted by sancher36

A few on forums have basically said they don't like it but yet keep coming back to forums for more.

As for mmoguls did you read what I posted earlier?? also the mlm setup is currently illegal as they are taking money off unsuspecting people without any product to offer them in return, also in a presentation I watched mmoguls claimed that they will have access to another game in june from turbine.

mmoguls is from how I see it acting like a socalled middleman of the game but also the game will be sold through normal means so mmoguls presentation explains.

I'm not sure where to report mmoguls in the US but I know here in australia it would be classed as illegal for how its being setup.

MLM is illegal here in the states, also. I can't think of the agency right off hand, but it's the guys that handle racketeering. The F.B.I. most likely. A simple phone call or e-mail to the local F.B.I. office in the town where CME/MMOGULS is located would get the ball rolling.

Originally posted by Zorvan

Originally posted by sancher36

A few on forums have basically said they don't like it but yet keep coming back to forums for more.

As for mmoguls did you read what I posted earlier?? also the mlm setup is currently illegal as they are taking money off unsuspecting people without any product to offer them in return, also in a presentation I watched mmoguls claimed that they will have access to another game in june from turbine.

mmoguls is from how I see it acting like a socalled middleman of the game but also the game will be sold through normal means so mmoguls presentation explains.

I'm not sure where to report mmoguls in the US but I know here in australia it would be classed as illegal for how its being setup.

 

MLM is illegal here in the states, also. I can't think of the agency right off hand, but it's the guys that handle racketeering. The F.B.I. most likely. A simple phone call or e-mail to the local F.B.I. office in the town where CME/MMOGULS is located would get the ball rolling.

MLM isn't illegal but pyramid selling is, there is a difference in how it is structured. Look at groups like herbalife, amway or forever living products as these came out of the US.
 

If they were illegal they would have been shut down many years ago, it all depends on how the system is structured to if its illegal or not.

But I do know that taking money for signups without having any products readily available like what mmoguls is doing is certainly illegal.

Originally posted by sancher36

Originally posted by Zorvan

Originally posted by sancher36

A few on forums have basically said they don't like it but yet keep coming back to forums for more.

As for mmoguls did you read what I posted earlier?? also the mlm setup is currently illegal as they are taking money off unsuspecting people without any product to offer them in return, also in a presentation I watched mmoguls claimed that they will have access to another game in june from turbine.

mmoguls is from how I see it acting like a socalled middleman of the game but also the game will be sold through normal means so mmoguls presentation explains.

I'm not sure where to report mmoguls in the US but I know here in australia it would be classed as illegal for how its being setup.

 

MLM is illegal here in the states, also. I can't think of the agency right off hand, but it's the guys that handle racketeering. The F.B.I. most likely. A simple phone call or e-mail to the local F.B.I. office in the town where CME/MMOGULS is located would get the ball rolling.

MLM isn't illegal but pyramid selling is, there is a difference in how it is structured. Look at groups like herbalife, amway or forever living products as these came out of the US.
 

If they were illegal they would have been shut down many years ago, it all depends on how the system is structured to if its illegal or not.

But I do know that taking money for signups without having any products readily available like what mmoguls is doing is certainly illegal.

You're right, I should have said MLM is illegal here depending on how it's ran. Heh, Amway had to change their name and restructure.

Main thing is being able to show beyond doubt that they are taking money without having an actual product to sell. I haven't looked that close at MMOGUL, so I don't know how obvious they are being about it.