Trending Games | World of Warcraft | Guild Wars 2 | Pirate101 | Elder Scrolls Online

  Network:  FPSguru RTSguru
Login:  Password:   Remember?  
Show Quick Gamelist Jump to Random Game
Members:2,900,835 Users Online:0
Games:754  Posts:6,270,583
Recent forum postsRSS
Active threads
Cloud view
List all forums
General Forums
Developers Corner General Discussion
Popular Game Forums
Click a status to find game forum
Game Forums
Click a letter to find game forum
A-C
2029 Online 2112: Revolution 2Moons 4Story 8BitMMO 9 Dragons A Mystical Land A Tale in the Desert III A3 ACE Online ARGO Online Aberoth Absolute Force Online Absolute Terror Achaea Adellion Aerrevan Aetolia, the Midnight Age Age of Armor Age of Conan Age of Empires Online Age of Mourning Age of Wulin Age of Wushu Aida Arenas Aika Aion Albion Online Alganon All Points Bulletin (APB) Allods Online Altis Gates Amazing World Anarchy Online Ancients of Fasaria Andromeda 5 Angels Online Angry Birds Epic Anime Trumps Anmynor Anno Online Applo Arcane Hearts Arcane Legends ArchLord ArcheAge Archeblade Archlord X Ascend: Hand of Kul Asda 2 Asda Story Ashen Empires Asheron's Call Asheron's Call 2 Astera Online Astonia III Astro Empires Astro Lords: Oort CLoud Asura Force Atlantica Online Atriarch Aura Kingdom Aurora Blade Auto Assault Avatar Star Battle Dawn Battle Dawn Galaxies Battle for Graxia Battle of 3 Kingdoms Battle of the Immortals Battlecruiser Online Battlestar Galactica Online Battlestar Reloaded Beyond Protocol Black Aftermath Black Desert Black Gold Black Prophecy Black Prophecy Tactics: Nexus Conflict Blacklight Retribution Blade & Soul Blade Hunter Blade Wars Blazing Throne Bless Blitz 1941 Blood and Jade Bloodlines Champions Boot Hill Heroes Borderlands 2 Borderlands: The Pre-Sequel Bound by Flame Bounty Bay Online Brain Storm Bravada Bravely Default Bravely Second Brawl Busters. Brick-Force Bright Shadow Bullet Run Business Tycoon Online CTRacer Cabal Online Caesary Call of Camelot Call of Gods Call of Thrones Camelot Unchained Canaan Online Cardmon Hero Cartoon Universe CasinoRPG Cast & Conquer Castle Empire Castlot Celtic Heroes Champions Online Champions of Regnum Chaos Online Child of Light Chrono Tales Citadel of Sorcery CitiesXL Citizen Zero City of Decay City of Heroes City of Steam City of Transformers City of Villains Civilization Online Clan Lord Clash of Clans Cloud Nine Club Penguin Colony of War Command & Conquer: Tiberium Alliances Company of Heroes Online Conquer Online Conquer Online 3 Continent of the Ninth (C9) Core Blaze Core Exiles Corum Online Craft of Gods Crimecraft Crimelife 2 Cronous Crota II Crusaders of Solaris Cultures Online Cyber Monster 2 Cyberpunk 2077 Céiron Wars
D-F
D&D Online DC Universe DK Online DOTA DOTA 2 DUST 514 DV8: Exile Dalethaan Dance Groove Online Dark Age of Camelot Dark Ages Dark Legends Dark Orbit Dark Relic: Prelude Dark Solstice Dark Souls 2 Dark and Light DarkEden Online DarkSpace Darkblood Online Darkest Dungeon Darkfall Darkfall: Unholy Wars Darkwind: War on Wheels Das Tal Dawn of Fantasy Dawntide DayZ Dead Earth Dead Frontier Dead Island Dead Island 2 Dead Island: Riptide Deco Online Deep Down Deepworld Defiance Deicide Online Dekaron Demons at the Horizon Desert Operations Destiny Diablo 3 Diamonin Digimon Battle Dino Storm Disciple Divergence Divina Divine Souls Divinity: Original Sin Dofus Dominus Online Dragon Age: Inquisition Dragon Ball Online Dragon Born Online Dragon Crusade Dragon Empires Dragon Eternity Dragon Fin Soup Dragon Nest Dragon Oath Dragon Pals Dragon Raja Dragon's Call Dragon's Call II Dragon's Prophet DragonSky DragonSoul Dragona Dragonica Dragons and Titans Drakengard 3 Dream of Mirror Online Dreamland Online Dreamlords: The Reawakening Drift City Duels Dungeon Blitz Dungeon Fighter Online Dungeon Overlord Dungeon Party Dungeon Rampage Dungeon Runners Dungeon of the Endless Dynastica Dynasty Warriors Online Dynasty of the Magi EIN (Epicus Incognitus) EVE Online Earth Eternal Earth and Beyond Earthrise Eclipse War Ecol Tactics Online Eden Eternal Edge of Space Einherjar - The Viking's Blood Elder Scrolls Online Eldevin Elf Online Elite: Dangerous Embers of Caerus Emil Chronicle Online Empire Empire & State Empire Craft Empire Universe 3 EmpireQuest Empires of Galldon End of Nations Endless Ages Endless Blue Moon Online Endless Online Entropia Universe EpicDuel Erebus: Travia Reborn Eredan Eternal Blade Eternal Lands Eternal Saga Ether Fields Ether Saga Online Eudemons Online EuroGangster EverEmber Online EverQuest Next EverQuest Online Adventures Evernight Everquest Everquest II Evony Exarch Exorace F.E.A.R. Online Face of Mankind Fairyland Online Fall of Rome Fallen Earth Fallen Sword Fallout 4 Fallout Online Family Guy Online Fantage Fantasy Earth Zero Fantasy Realm Online Fantasy Tales Online Fantasy Worlds: Rhynn Faunasphere Faxion Online Fearless Fantasy Ferentus Ferion Fiesta Online Final Fantasy Type-0 HD Final Fantasy XI Final Fantasy XIV Final Fantasy XIV: A Realm Reborn Firefall Fists of Fu Florensia Flyff Football Manager Live Football Superstars Force of Arms Forge Forsaken Uprising Forsaken World Fortnite Fortuna Forum for Discussion of Everlight Freaky Creatures Free Realms Freesky Online Freeworld Fung Wan Online Furcadia Fury Fusion Fall
G-L
GalaXseeds Galactic Command Online Game of Thrones: Seven Kingdoms Gameglobe Gate To Heavens Gates of Andaron Gatheryn Gauntlet Gekkeiju Online Ghost Online Ghost Recon Online Gladiatus Glitch Global Agenda Global Soccer Gloria Victis Glory of Gods GoGoRacer Goal Line Blitz Gods and Heroes GodsWar Online Golemizer Golf Star GoonZu Online Graal Kingdoms Granado Espada Online Grand Chase Grand Fantasia Grepolis Grimlands Guild Wars Guild Wars 2 Guild Wars Factions Guild Wars Nightfall H1Z1 Habbo Hotel Hailan Rising HaloSphere2 Haven & Hearth Hawken Heart Forth Alicia Hearthstone: Heroes of Warcraft Helbreath Hellgate Hellgate: London Hello Kitty Online Hero Online Hero Zero Hero's Journey Hero: 108 Online HeroSmash Heroes & Generals Heroes & Legends: Conquerors of Kolhar Heroes in the Sky Heroes of Atlan Heroes of Bestia Heroes of Gaia Heroes of Might and Magic Online Heroes of Thessalonica Heroes of Three Kingdoms Heroes of the Storm Hex Holic Online Hostile Space Hunter Blade Huxley Icewind Dale: Enhanced Edition Illutia Illyriad Immortals USA Imperator Imperian Inferno Legend Infestation: Survivor Stories Infinite Crisis Infinity Infinity Iris Online Iron Grip: Marauders Irth Worlds Island Forge Islands of War Istaria: Chronicles of the Gifted Jade Dynasty Jagged Alliance Online Juggernaut Jumpgate Jumpgate Evolution KAL Online Kakele Online Kaos War Karos Online Kartuga Kicks Online King of Kings 3 Kingdom Heroes Kingdom Under Fire II Kingdom of Drakkar Kingory Kings Era Kings and Legends Kings of the Realm KingsRoad Kitsu Saga Kiwarriors Knight Age Knight Online Knights of Dream City Kothuria Kung Foo! Kunlun Online Kyn L.A.W. LEGO Universe La Tale Land of Chaos Online Landmark Lands of Hope: Redemption LastChaos League of Angels League of Legends - Clash of Fates Legend of Edda: Vengeance Legend of Golden Plume Legend of Katha Legend of Mir 2 Legend of Mir 3 Legendary Champions Lego Minifigures Online Lichdom: Battlemage Life is Feudal Light of Nova Lime Odyssey Line of Defense Lineage Lineage Eternal: Twilight Resistance Lineage II Linkrealms Loong Online Lord of the Rings Online Lords Online Lords of the Fallen Lost Saga Lucent Heart Lunia Lusternia: Age of Ascension Luvinia World
M-Q
MU Online Mabinogi Maestia: Rise of Keledus MagiKnights Magic Barrage Magic World Online Manga Fighter MapleStory Martial Heroes Marvel Heroes Marvel Super Hero Squad Online Marvel: Avengers Alliance Mass Effect 4 MechWarrior Online Megaten Meridian 59 : Evolution Merlin MetalMercs Metaplace Metin 2 MicroVolts Middle-earth: Shadow of Mordor Midkemia Online Might & Magic Heroes: Kingdoms Might & Magic X: Legacy MilMo Minecraft Mini Fighter Minions of Mirth Ministry of War Monato Esprit Monkey King Online Monkey Quest Monster & Me Monster Madness Online MonsterMMORPG Moonlight Online: Tales of Eternal Blood Moonrise Mordavia Mortal Online Mourning My Lands Myst Online: URU Live Myth Angels Online Myth War Myth War 2 Mythborne Mytheon Mythic Saga Mythos N.E.O Online NIDA Online Nadirim Naviage: The Power of Capital Navy Field Need for Speed World Nemexia Neo's Land NeoSteam Neocron Nether Neverwinter Nexus: The Kingdom Of The Winds NinjaTrick NosTale Novus Aeterno Oberin Odin Quest Odyssey RPG Ogre Island Omerta 3 Online Boxing Manager Onverse Oort Online Order & Chaos Online Order of Magic Original Blood Origins Return Origins of Malu Orion's Belt Otherland Forums OverSoul Overkings Oz Online Oz World Pandora Saga Pantheon: Rise of the Fallen Panzar Parabellum Parallel Kingdom Parfait Station Path of Exile Pathfinder Online Perfect World Perpetuum Online Persona V Phantasy Star Online 2 Phantasy Star Universe Phoenix Dynasty Online Phylon Pi Story Picaroon Pillars of Eternity Pirate Galaxy Pirate Storm Pirate101 PirateKing Online Pirates of the Burning Sea Pirates of the Caribbean Online Pixie Hollow Planeshift Planet Arkadia Planet Calypso PlanetSide 2 Planetside Planets³ Playboy Manager Pocket Legends Pockie Ninja Pockie Pirates Pockie Saints Pokémon X and Y PoxNora Prime World Prime: Battle for Dominus Priston Tale Priston Tale II Prius Online Prodigy Project Blackout Project Gorgon Project Powder Project Titan Forums Project Wiki Project Zomboid Puzzle Pirates Quest for Infamy Quickhit Football
R-S
R2 Online RAN Online RF Online ROSE Online Rage of 3 Kingdoms Ragnarok Online Ragnarok Online II RaiderZ Rail Nation Rakion Rappelz RappelzSEA Ravenmarch Realm Fighter Realm of Sierra Realm of the Mad God Realm of the Titans Realms Online Reclamation Red Stone Red War: Edem's Curse Regnum Online Remnant Knights Renaissance Repulse Requiem: Memento Mori Rift RiotZone Rise Rise of Dragonian Era Rise of Empire Rise of the Tycoon Risen 3: Titan Lords Rising of King Risk Your Life Rivality Rockfree Rohan: Blood Feud Role Play Worlds Roll n Rock Roma Victor Romadoria Rosh Online Roto X Rubies of Eventide Ruin Online Rumble Fighter Runes of Magic Runescape Rust Rusty Hearts Ryzom S4 League SAGA SD Gundam Capsule Fighter Online SMITE SUN Sacred 3 Sagramore Salem SaySayGirls Scarlet Blade Scions of Fate Seal Online: Evolution Second Chance Heroes Second Life Secret of the Solstice Seed Serenia Fantasy Seven Seas Saga Seven Souls Online Sevencore Shadow Realms Shadow of Legend Shadowbane Shadowgate Shadowrun Online Shaiya Shards Online Shattered Galaxy Sho Online Shot Online Shroud of the Avatar SideQuest Siege on Stars Sigonyth: Desert Eternity Silkroad Online Skyblade Skyforge SmashMuck Champions Smoo Online Soldier Front Soul Master Soul Order Online Soul of Guardian South Park: The Stick of Truth Space Heroes Universe Sparta: War of Empires Spellcasters Sphere Spiral Knights Spirit Tales Splash Fighters Squad Wars Star Citizen Star Sonata 2 Star Stable Star Supremacy Star Trek Online Star Trek: Infinite Space Star Wars Galaxies Star Wars: Clone Wars Adventures Star Wars: The Old Republic StarQuest Online Starbound Stargate Worlds Starlight Story Starpires State of Decay SteelWar Online Stone Age 2 Stormfall: Age of War Stormthrone Storybricks Stronghold Kingdoms Styx: Master of Shadows Sudden Attack Supremacy 1914 Supreme Destiny Sword Girls Sword of Destiny: Rise of Aions SwordX Swords of Heavens Swordsman
T-Z
TERA TS Online TUG Tabula Rasa Tactica Online Tales Runner Tales of Fantasy Tales of Pirates Tales of Pirates II Tales of Solaris Talisman Online Tamer Saga Tank Ace Tantra Online Tatsumaki: Land at War Terra Militaris TerraWorld Online Terraria Thang Online The 4th Coming The Agency The Aurora World The Banner Saga The Black Watchmen The Chronicle The Chronicles of Spellborn The Crew The Division The Epic Might The Hammers End The Incredible Adventures of Van Helsing The Incredible Adventures of Van Helsing 2 The Legend of Ares The Lost Titans The Matrix Online The Mighty Quest for Epic Loot The Missing Ink The Mummy Online The Myth of Soma The Pride of Taern The Realm Online The Repopulation The Secret World The Sims Online The Strategems The West The Witcher 3: Wild Hunt Theralon There Therian Saga Thrones of Chaos Tibia Tibia Micro Edition Tiger Knight Titan Siege Titans of Time Toontown Online Top Speed Topia Online Torchlight Torment: Tides of Numenera Total Domination Transformers Universe Transistor Transverse Traveller AR Travia Online Travian Trials of Ascension Tribal Hero Tribal Wars Tribes Universe Trickster Online Trove Troy Online True Fantasy Live Online Turf Battles Twelve Sky Twelve Sky 2 Twilight War Tynon U.B. Funkeys UFO Online URDEAD Online Ultima Forever: Quest for the Avatar Ultima Online Ultima X: Odyssey Ultimate Naruto Ultimate Soccer Boss Uncharted Waters Online Undercover 2: Merc Wars Underlight Unification Wars Universe Online Utopia Valkyrie Sky Vampire Lord Online Vanguard: Saga of Heroes Vanquish Space Vector City Racers Vendetta Online Victory - Age of Racing Vindictus Virtonomics Vis Gladius Visions of Zosimos VoidExpanse Voyage Century Online W.E.L.L. Online WAR (Warhammer Online) WAR2 Glory WYD Global Wakfu War Thunder War of 2012 War of Angels War of Legends War of Mercenaries War of Thrones War of the Immortals WarFlow Waren Story Warflare Wargame1942 Warhammer 40,000: Eternal Crusade Warhammer 40K: Dark Millennium Online Warhammer Online: Wrath of Heroes Warkeepers Warrior Epic Wartune Wasteland 2 WebLords Wild West Online WildStar Wind of Luck WindSlayer 2 Wings of Destiny Wish Wizard101 Wizardry Online Wizards and Champions Wonder King Wonderland Online World Golf Tour World of Battles World of Darkness World of Heroes World of Kung Fu World of Pirates World of Speed World of Tanks World of Tanks Generals World of Warcraft World of Warplanes World of Warships World of the Living Dead WorldAlpha Wurm Online Xenoblade Chronicles: X Xenocell Xiah Xsyon Xulu YS Online Yitien ZU Online Zentia Zero Online Zero Online: The Andromeda Crisis Zodiac Online Zombies Ate My Pizza eRepublik

MMORPG.com Discussion Forums

General Discussion

General Discussion 

News & Features Discussion  » Warhammer Online : Age of Reckoning: Discussion on 6v6 RvR

10 posts found
  Stradden

Managing Editor

Joined: 7/08/05
Posts: 6729

 
OP  1/20/09 8:20:27 AM#1

MMORPG.com's new Warhammer Online Correspondent Charles Kinkel writes this article bringing up the debate and the emrits of small group RvR combat in Mythic's Warhammer Online: Age of Reckoning.

Warhammer Online Screenshot

I've been participating in, and enjoying, Player versus Player, or PvP, combat in games since the text MUD days over Telnet. Ever since I had my first encounter with this system of battling other players for loot, fame, and glory I was hooked on this concept as being superior to any Player versus Environment or PvE style content because players could learn and adapt, NPCs could not. And like any tactician who's seeking to "one up" his opponent, we would form alliances of players for protection. With a focus on using our individual skills in the most efficient method to defeat our enemies.

Read Discussion on 6v6 RvR

Cheers,
Jon Wood
Managing Editor
MMORPG.com

  SloppyApe

Novice Member

Joined: 7/11/04
Posts: 27

1/20/09 9:00:37 AM#2

WAR was a huge disappointment in the Group vs. Group aspect this article talks about. I was a huge fan of 8v8 in DAoC and was hoping to recreate some of those fond memories of taking on up to 10x our numbers just due to being more organized. But this is simply impossible in WAR and never will be.

Unfortunately the successful button spamming 'skills' we see from games like WoW are useful in WAR. I believe the lack of 100% interrupts is what WoWified WAR. My point is that needed player skill is much lower to be successful in WAR over DAoC.

Lets face it, people want easy games and not a challenge. People that played 8v8 or even hardcore WoW arena (I know, it even hurts me to say it) are not the average player. The average player is one of the people that were in the zerg we farmed in our 8 mans. Lol, with that said it makes sense why DAoC's population is so low now eh?

  Godliest

Defender of Ascalon

Joined: 11/26/06
Posts: 3483

"There''s a time and a place for everything, and it''s called college." - Chef

1/20/09 9:18:55 AM#3


Originally posted by SloppyApe
WAR was a huge disappointment in the Group vs. Group aspect this article talks about. I was a huge fan of 8v8 in DAoC and was hoping to recreate some of those fond memories of taking on up to 10x our numbers just due to being more organized. But this is simply impossible in WAR and never will be.
Unfortunately the successful button spamming 'skills' we see from games like WoW are useful in WAR. I believe the lack of 100% interrupts is what WoWified WAR. My point is that needed player skill is much lower to be successful in WAR over DAoC.
Lets face it, people want easy games and not a challenge. People that played 8v8 or even hardcore WoW arena (I know, it even hurts me to say it) are not the average player. The average player is one of the people that were in the zerg we farmed in our 8 mans. Lol, with that said it makes sense why DAoC's population is so low now eh?

8v8 and you taking 10x more players does not make any sense whatsoever, but apart from that I agree with WAR feeling very "wowified". Personally I had hoped WAR would support smaller more organized forms of PvP rather than big zergs where, in oRvR, the biggest team will win, almost regardless of team-setup, or, as in scenarios, it's all about the healers. In the end the game is focusing too much on mindlessness and too little on organization to appeal to me.



  Mykell

Advanced Member

Joined: 4/30/06
Posts: 602

1/20/09 3:33:25 PM#4

Too much of their game design tends towards zerging.

1) Tier 4 zones are too small and just seem to be mostly tunnels for herding one zerg into another.

2) In any type of RL warfare you need to hold and maintain supply lines to be able to push the battle front forwards. Battle objectives should have to be held to attack keeps/fortresses and have no 15 minute lockout. This would mean you have to break up a zerg to defend these BO's so you can attack a keep. Say make holding 1 BO makes keep attackable while holding 2 BO's makes door half strength.

3) A single ramp up to a keep/fortress lord. What else are people going to do but zerg. Makes defense fun and attack not so much. I've defended a keep with 3 groups and single healer against approx 3 warbands.

Too late to change 1.......shouldn't be too difficult to change 2........................Possible to change 3 but needs a total redesigning of keeps which aint gonna happen quickly.

  Kordesh

Apprentice Member

Joined: 1/12/06
Posts: 1731

1/20/09 3:39:10 PM#5

 The problem with RvR in WAR goes far deeper than just people zerging everywhere. It runs deep into scenarios and the retarded reward system they have in place for keeps, as well as the overall limited space to have these battles since they decided to chunk everything up into little zones with two keeps per area. You could go on for hours/pages with everything that was done wrong, WoW-Like combat amongst it. I'm not against the scale itself, WAR has always been about huge battles, and the last thing I would want to see in WAR would be more of that "Arena is all about da skillz lulz!" BS that WoW has. But the way they went about it was totally backwards considering their experience with DAoC.

Bans a perma, but so are sigs in necro posts.

EAT ME MMORPG.com!

  Mykell

Advanced Member

Joined: 4/30/06
Posts: 602

1/20/09 4:26:16 PM#6

I agree but this discussion is about 6v6 and was just saying the game is more zerg than small group at the moment. My biggest gripe is the most renown/influence should come from killing players in RvR not from scenarios or PvE'ing keeps and battlefield objectives. Too many people avoid fighting altogether if they can.

Player 1: "Oh look Order/Destruction are in Reikland taking keeps"
Player 2: "Lets to to Dragonwake then and take the keep. We can head to Reikland when Order/Destruction are finished"

  daelnor

Advanced Member

Joined: 4/16/04
Posts: 1467

1/21/09 3:56:23 AM#7

The reason the keep system is kinda borked is because it wasn't part of the original design.  Evidently Mythic devs were busy huffing paint when they came up with the original content and weren't going to have keep sieges at all.

Then they sniffed glue by trying to move AWAY from DAOC's realm warfare system.  I don't know what they were thinking.  So now, they are belatedly patching DAOC mechanics back into the game, and it's not going all that smoothly.  Hmm, I wonder why?

Anyway, Things that are missing from small group rvr:  (other than small groups)

Fast movement.

Large enough terrain to manuever and have small scale combat.

Skills that require, well...skills.  (Nothing leet here...but there are not really any reactionaries, not many positionals..no real sense of timing required, etc.  It's all just GCD and WoW timers.)  DAOC UI was waaay cooler...except most people didn't realize it.  Well..the UI kinda sucked, but the combat system was better and more in depth.

Those that play...have you ever really been in a 1v1 fight?  It's boring as hell. 2v1 fights and small groups are a little better, but they designed this game from the ground up as zerg vs. zerg, and it shows.

That in itself is not that bad, but WTF....Siege pads?  No destroyable walls?  Siege damage is pitiful at best?  A 4 foot tall dwarf can punt me 100 yards, but a ballista bolt to the face at point blank range does nothing?

No real benefits for claiming a keep for defense?  No higher walls, extra obstacles, hero guards? anything?

No mobs in rvr zones?  Just an empty field to funnel people at each other?

Yeah, there's lots to work on, which, ironically, they would have hit right on the head if they wouldn't have run away from daoc so much.

As much as a rant as that sounds like, I'm still enjoying the game, but shaking my head in confusion at all the things they missed badly with the initial implementation.

  SloppyApe

Novice Member

Joined: 7/11/04
Posts: 27

1/21/09 8:18:51 AM#8
Originally posted by daelnor

The reason the keep system is kinda borked is because it wasn't part of the original design.  Evidently Mythic devs were busy huffing paint when they came up with the original content and weren't going to have keep sieges at all.

Then they sniffed glue by trying to move AWAY from DAOC's realm warfare system.  I don't know what they were thinking.  So now, they are belatedly patching DAOC mechanics back into the game, and it's not going all that smoothly.  Hmm, I wonder why?

Anyway, Things that are missing from small group rvr:  (other than small groups)

Fast movement.

Large enough terrain to manuever and have small scale combat.

Skills that require, well...skills.  (Nothing leet here...but there are not really any reactionaries, not many positionals..no real sense of timing required, etc.  It's all just GCD and WoW timers.)  DAOC UI was waaay cooler...except most people didn't realize it.  Well..the UI kinda sucked, but the combat system was better and more in depth.

Those that play...have you ever really been in a 1v1 fight?  It's boring as hell. 2v1 fights and small groups are a little better, but they designed this game from the ground up as zerg vs. zerg, and it shows.

That in itself is not that bad, but WTF....Siege pads?  No destroyable walls?  Siege damage is pitiful at best?  A 4 foot tall dwarf can punt me 100 yards, but a ballista bolt to the face at point blank range does nothing?

No real benefits for claiming a keep for defense?  No higher walls, extra obstacles, hero guards? anything?

No mobs in rvr zones?  Just an empty field to funnel people at each other?

Yeah, there's lots to work on, which, ironically, they would have hit right on the head if they wouldn't have run away from daoc so much.

As much as a rant as that sounds like, I'm still enjoying the game, but shaking my head in confusion at all the things they missed badly with the initial implementation.


 

I agree, and I'm sure the failures of WAR extend even further from your examples. But this article is specifically about 6v6.

The lack of small scale fighting is what killed the game for me. Oh well, atleast WAR gave me something to do for a few months.

  hembot

Novice Member

Joined: 2/11/05
Posts: 14

1/21/09 11:49:41 AM#9

Good article that will appeal to the niche base of players who want smaller combat. Thank the MMO gods no "arena" was mentioned. there's a big difference between a set up match and the variables associated with cresting a hill or copse of trees to pounce on an enemy.

What I find lacking isn't so much the skills required to play the game detracting from it's "fun factor". If this were a niche game, I'm sure many of us would be rolling around in 6's on the 10 available servers and having the time of our lives. Unfortunately Mythic/EA were shooting for mass appeal. What appeals to the masses?

Rewards.

We saw it in oRvR (RvE?) with inf rewards added because the xp/rr wasn't enough. My problem from before influence is that this system never supported small scale combat through the use of pool'd rewards per objective that split depending on the number of people present. Instead everyone gets the same reward whether 3 players accomplish a feat or 90 players accomplish the feat.

Recently they announced Fortress lords scale due to the attacking population but do Keeps? Bo's? No. That is where Mythic fails those of us who want to run in 6's but can't find anyone but a 32-96 player group running around RvE's keeps most of the time.

It's been mentioned on both VN and WHA but Mythic likes to ignore us.

  User Deleted
1/27/09 5:45:40 PM#10

Glad to see you guys are mostly in agreement on the article. I didn't want to paint it out like 6v6 was alive and well in WAR but simply present some facts on the status of it so that perhaps maybe some people would be enlightened. Maybe even Mythic.

 

Being also a big fan of smaller scale fighting and obviously skill overcoming zerg in an ideal situation I had high hopes for the ability to form a small guild with friends and select few skilled players and still be able to tackle the games offering based on RVR. Obviously that hasn't worked out so well since the focus has been put so hugely on large numbers.  So I feel alot of your pain as well, even though I still enjoy WAR for what it is. It's just not DAoC or even UO.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

“The contents of this post do not necessarily reflect the views of MMORPG.com and its management.”