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1/20/09 11:08:48 PM#41
Originally posted by Teala
so... the scenario is: the survival of human race necessitates destruction of human race?
I think not.
Even if you decide some group of people will blow us all up if we don't kill them first how does that make us any better than they are? As a matter of fact - that would make us the bad guys.
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1/20/09 11:13:35 PM#42
Originally posted by Dracus You are nuking the question. IE: Over thinking and going into it too deep. Take the question as it is and nothing more.
Doesn't take overthinkin' to get the allusions drawn. It takes overthinkin' to try and pretend you don't get the allusions and try to see the question as harmless and "general". No race comes to mind to you that the OP might've been alluding to? If you had to guess, which "race" would it be? You're a saint if none come to mind given the political climate of our country and our world. Identify the race and suddenly the question is both insensitive, dumb and downright racist, is it not? |
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Look it isn't that hard of question to answer...seriously. I do not have to name any race, country or people by name. The question stands as is. If you must...say Romans vs the Greeks or humans vs cylons - take your pick. It was a hypothetical question. One country is committed to practicing genocide on another. Is it fair for the other to use the same to wipe them out so that peace can finally be had? Is that so hard to answer?  |
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JustTalking
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1/21/09 12:45:23 AM#44
Originally posted by Teala
Actually, yes it is. This isn't a question about challenging the class bully to a fight at 3 o'clock, this is a question about the wholesale slaughter of a group of people..it's a disturbing question and it has an answer: No, never. The reason why it has an answer? we've been down that road before, thankfully the actions of a few did not condem an entire culture to death. Action T4, Nazi eugenics and the Holocaust is more than enough evidence to show that genocide is a horrid, vile and disgusting thing that should be remembered and never repeated, it is humanity at it's worst. Lebensunwertes Leben(life unworthy of life) is what the Nazi's called people that they considered had no right to live...if i was born in Germany during that time i would have been on that list myself, a disturbing thought. Make no mistake, these were not swift deaths. Your answer is out there, it lies with the bodies of the 5.59-6.2 million Jews the 2.1 million Polish and the 2+ million Soviets that died in camps around Germany.
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Bigdavo
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Joined: 1/21/06
''Life is what you make of it, not what others make of yours.'' |
1/21/09 2:15:20 AM#45
Originally posted by sepher
Doesn't take overthinkin' to get the allusions drawn. It takes overthinkin' to try and pretend you don't get the allusions and try to see the question as harmless and "general". No race comes to mind to you that the OP might've been alluding to? If you had to guess, which "race" would it be? You're a saint if none come to mind given the political climate of our country and our world. Identify the race and suddenly the question is both insensitive, dumb and downright racist, is it not?
To be completely honest I was thinking the exact same thing as Sepher. This question is best asked in a thousands years, at the moment it is not humanly possible for a situation like this to occur as humans are individuals and not mindless drones, which is where my line of thinking is then taken to - 'Why ask?' O_o o_O |
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1/21/09 1:49:28 PM#46
Originally posted by Teala
Wouldn't it be the race which is committing genocide the same race which is hell bent destrying others?
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1/21/09 2:31:45 PM#47
damn, sadly I didn't get involved in this thread days ago.. I just opened it now, read most of the posts and you people make me sick... Teala, you're question was fine, simple, to the point.. and no, you don't have to have a name of race that needs extinguishing.. Honestly people, it was just a simple hypothetical question. yes, or no... no need to dig so far into it, I hate it when people do that to jokes. I say yes, kill them if they're going to kill all of us. ______________________________ What if Paul Revere was like the boy who cried wolf....? Originally posted by Hazmal What does he say when people ask what he did? "My mommy was irking me yo - I wanted to keep pwning nubs on my xbox, so I roughed her up with a hardshell. That is just how I roll." |
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1/21/09 3:06:22 PM#48
The world is grossly overpopulated. We don't have the resources to support everyone (the essential reason behind poverty and starvation). This is the reason things like war, natural disasters, and even abortion need to take place. Its a natural balance, regardless of how heartless and anti-humanitarian it sounds. ------------------------- |
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Dracus
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"Shoot for the moon. Even if you miss, you'll land among the stars." |
1/22/09 2:20:02 AM#49
Originally posted by sepher There are only two answers to the question; neither of which is more right than the other. Either choose to be Logical or choose to be Emotional. That is basis for this particular topic's question.
By your statement, you choose to use Emotional beliefs. I chose Logical beliefs.
Again neither of us are right or wrong, it is a matter of how we are wired (Example, I am a INTJ). And that is why... Conservatives' pessimism is conducive to their happiness in three ways. First, they are rarely surprised -- they are right more often than not about the course of events. Second, when they are wrong they are happy to be so. Third, because pessimistic conservatives put not their faith in princes -- government -- they accept that happiness is a function of fending for oneself. They believe that happiness is an activity -- it is inseparable from the pursuit of happiness. |
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Dracus
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1/22/09 2:29:53 AM#50
Originally posted by Bigdavo I don't know about you, but given today's healthcare technology, I doubt our alpha bodies will survive that long. So I find the present time the best time to question and answer.
Now if you believe in past lives then that would be an interesting new topic. And that is why... Conservatives' pessimism is conducive to their happiness in three ways. First, they are rarely surprised -- they are right more often than not about the course of events. Second, when they are wrong they are happy to be so. Third, because pessimistic conservatives put not their faith in princes -- government -- they accept that happiness is a function of fending for oneself. They believe that happiness is an activity -- it is inseparable from the pursuit of happiness. |
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Originally posted by Dracus
Awesome...just awesome...I will make such a thread. Thank you for the suggestion. |
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1/22/09 4:29:51 AM#52
Our species would continue to survive no matter which group kills which. If Humans of group A exterminate Humans of group B. There would still be humans and the human race would continue to exist. Branches of the race may be cut out but the race would still survive. In the end, the human race would still survive. |
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Bigdavo
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''Life is what you make of it, not what others make of yours.'' |
1/22/09 5:37:02 AM#53
Originally posted by Dracus I don't know about you, but given today's healthcare technology, I doubt our alpha bodies will survive that long. So I find the present time the best time to question and answer.
Now if you believe in past lives then that would be an interesting new topic.
It was a metaphor for what I meant that the question doesn't apply in the present or the past. Because I believe at the present time it's an impossible and unfathomable situation, and unfortunately I cannot see into the future. I don't see why the present is the best time to answer some questions? I believe any answer given now is wrong. O_o o_O |
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1/22/09 6:19:02 AM#54
Originally posted by ste2000
And you don't think the 20 million armed soldiers all hysterically angry had anything to do with their new found peacefulness then? Races are defined by their ideologies cultures and religions and Hitler was democratically elected. All the Germans were consulted. Hitler held more public referendums than any other leader in history. No population has ever been consulted more. And it wasn't just the Germans who loved him either. All over Europe in country after country they loved him. When some angry Russian points a gun at you and says "are you a Nazi, do you think the holocaust is a good thing?" You will say "no". Just like everybody in Germany did. They didn't have to kill them all to convince them, but we were all quite willing to if that's what it took. And that is what it took. They all thought it was a good idea at the time, until they lost and suddenly it was their turn to be defenceless in the face of total extermination. Oh yes, they were all "we're not Nazi's" then alright.
Genocide sounds cool when you don't recognise that it can happen to you too. What goes around comes around. Start with the genocide talk and you set yourself up for a pre-emptive strike. It may be your race that is getting annihilated not the evil enemies that you think deserve it. What happened to the Germans, could happen to you. |
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1/22/09 7:45:44 AM#55
Originally posted by Bigdavo
It was a metaphor for what I meant that the question doesn't apply in the present or the past. Because I believe at the present time it's an impossible and unfathomable situation, and unfortunately I cannot see into the future. I don't see why the present is the best time to answer some questions? I believe any answer given now is wrong. Yet again, you don't have to look into the futur to think about the answer to the OP's question. Its called the power of thought, apparently you insist on being ever so close minded. Here, answer this question - Three people standing on a corner, Person A, Person B, and Person C. None of them know eachother, but Person B tells both A and C that he/she is going to kill both of them. If you were either Person A or Person C would you both decide to kill this guy??
______________________________ What if Paul Revere was like the boy who cried wolf....? Originally posted by Hazmal What does he say when people ask what he did? "My mommy was irking me yo - I wanted to keep pwning nubs on my xbox, so I roughed her up with a hardshell. That is just how I roll." |
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1/22/09 8:54:11 AM#56
Originally posted by hvc801
It was a metaphor for what I meant that the question doesn't apply in the present or the past. Because I believe at the present time it's an impossible and unfathomable situation, and unfortunately I cannot see into the future. I don't see why the present is the best time to answer some questions? I believe any answer given now is wrong. Yet again, you don't have to look into the futur to think about the answer to the OP's question. Its called the power of thought, apparently you insist on being ever so close minded. Here, answer this question - Three people standing on a corner, Person A, Person B, and Person C. None of them know eachother, but Person B tells both A and C that he/she is going to kill both of them. If you were either Person A or Person C would you both decide to kill this guy?? No, the question suggested that everyone of Person B's should be killed, regardless of absent individual transgression. And see how dumb this thread has become trying to argue intricacies without the OP, or anyone defending her, having the balls to mention the actual race on your mind? That's why you shouldn't bring it up in the first place. You pretend as if you're making a brave decision even though all you're doing is showing cowardice. |
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1/22/09 9:04:51 AM#57
To me, this sounds like the number 1 rule/commandment of the Georgia Guide Stones "Keep and maintaine population under 500 million" No one has the right to justify who lives or dies. When people do, therefor there is a war. |
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1/22/09 9:13:40 AM#58
Originally posted by sepher Yet again, you don't have to look into the futur to think about the answer to the OP's question. Its called the power of thought, apparently you insist on being ever so close minded. Here, answer this question - Three people standing on a corner, Person A, Person B, and Person C. None of them know eachother, but Person B tells both A and C that he/she is going to kill both of them. If you were either Person A or Person C would you both decide to kill this guy?? No, the question suggested that everyone of Person B's should be killed, regardless of absent individual transgression. And see how dumb this thread has become trying to argue intricacies without the OP, or anyone defending her, having the balls to mention the actual race on your mind? That's why you shouldn't bring it up in the first place. You pretend as if you're making a brave decision even though all you're doing is showing cowardice.
Sure, Kill all of B's people. And what if she didn't have a race in mind. What if she was just wondering whether or not you would decide to do it. Hell it could be the whites, looking to kill everyone... Whats the difference... And ______________________________ What if Paul Revere was like the boy who cried wolf....? Originally posted by Hazmal What does he say when people ask what he did? "My mommy was irking me yo - I wanted to keep pwning nubs on my xbox, so I roughed her up with a hardshell. That is just how I roll." |
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Brenelael
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Joined: 10/19/06
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1/22/09 9:17:24 AM#59
Originally posted by Elikal Exactly... Just because the Nazis were hell bent on destroying all non-Arians didn't mean that we had to wipe out all Germans to get rid of the threat. Even in the most xenophobic societies there will always be those that disagree with what their leaders are doing and will be willing to talk or even help in taking them out. Even in the Nazi party in the 30's and 40's there were a lot of plans from within the party to get rid of Hitler as many could see where he was leading them. No, genocide is never the answer no matter how you may try to justify it.
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1/22/09 1:50:30 PM#60
Originally posted by baff
And you don't think the 20 million armed soldiers all hysterically angry had anything to do with their new found peacefulness then? Races are defined by their ideologies cultures and religions and Hitler was democratically elected. All the Germans were consulted. Hitler held more public referendums than any other leader in history. No population has ever been consulted more. And it wasn't just the Germans who loved him either. All over Europe in country after country they loved him. When some angry Russian points a gun at you and says "are you a Nazi, do you think the holocaust is a good thing?" You will say "no". Just like everybody in Germany did. They didn't have to kill them all to convince them, but we were all quite willing to if that's what it took. And that is what it took. They all thought it was a good idea at the time, until they lost and suddenly it was their turn to be defenceless in the face of total extermination. Oh yes, they were all "we're not Nazi's" then alright.
Genocide sounds cool when you don't recognise that it can happen to you too. What goes around comes around. Start with the genocide talk and you set yourself up for a pre-emptive strike. It may be your race that is getting annihilated not the evil enemies that you think deserve it. What happened to the Germans, could happen to you.
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On the other hand if you're talking about animals VS humans, ya they would probably do better without us...
Besides puppies are cuter than people...
