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Originally posted by Varking
Page 53 of Tales of the Old World, under the story of Ancesteral Honour after Grimli had sworn the Slayer Oath and returned to the bar;
"It wasn't exactly a fond farewell when Grimli told Skorri that he was leaving. The old dwarf looked him up and down and then took his arm and led him into the small room next to the kitchen which served as the tavern owner's bed chamber, store room and office. He pulled a battered chest from under the bed and opened the lid on creaking hinges. Delving inside, he pulled out a hammer which he laid reverentially on the bed, followed by a glistening coat of chain-mail. "
He goes into some talking at this point in the next paragraph, followed by him equipping the chain mail armor and hammer he was given and spoke of how the chain mail fit almost perfectly, as if it were made for him.

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This is some interesting reading. Why is it generally assumed that Slayers don't wear armor? Everything I've read in research points to that fact as a rule that's non-negotiable. But you've got passages (albeit scarce) that says they could even equip chain mail.

Is this from a different line of books or something? Key question is, if a Slayer wearing chain walked into a group of other slayers wearing rags, what's the deal? Do they accept him and train him? Or do they shun (possibly) kill him. Is it that Slayers just aren't gone into a lot in detail, so there's no real record what they might actually wear?

Sorry to ask so many questions, but this is pretty fascinating.

Originally posted by popinjay

 

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Originally posted by Varking
Page 53 of Tales of the Old World, under the story of Ancesteral Honour after Grimli had sworn the Slayer Oath and returned to the bar;
"It wasn't exactly a fond farewell when Grimli told Skorri that he was leaving. The old dwarf looked him up and down and then took his arm and led him into the small room next to the kitchen which served as the tavern owner's bed chamber, store room and office. He pulled a battered chest from under the bed and opened the lid on creaking hinges. Delving inside, he pulled out a hammer which he laid reverentially on the bed, followed by a glistening coat of chain-mail. "
He goes into some talking at this point in the next paragraph, followed by him equipping the chain mail armor and hammer he was given and spoke of how the chain mail fit almost perfectly, as if it were made for him.

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This is some interesting reading. Why is it generally assumed that Slayers don't wear armor? Everything I've read in research points to that fact as a rule that's non-negotiable. But you've got passages (albeit scarce) that says they could even equip chain mail.

Is this from a different line of books or something? Key question is, if a Slayer wearing chain walked into a group of other slayers wearing rags, what's the deal? Do they accept him and train him? Or do they shun (possibly) kill him. Is it that Slayers just aren't gone into a lot in detail, so there's no real record what they might actually wear?

Sorry to ask so many questions, but this is pretty fascinating.

Its frowned upon for a slayer to wear lots of Armor. Heavy plate mail would be an even further insult to his honor. Chain mail is light, and can't really stop an well placed attack. Also, the slayers don't really train others, they just pick up something and go.

So they could wear chainmail, but they choose to wear next to nothing.

Aye, it isn't part of the norm, but also other than Gotrek there isn't a ton written on the Slayers.

As further evidence of the Slayer pops up I will continue to post. A member of the WHA forums looked into the actual client under the .myp files and found abilities and such for the Slayer;

1456 ; TEST Slayer Spec Abilities^n
1457 Rune of Absorption^n
1458 Fierceness^n
1459 Rampage^n
1460 Cleft In Twain^n
1461 Devastate^n
1462 Spellbreaker^n
1463 No Escape^n
1464 Shatter Limb^n
1465 Inevitable Doom^n
1466
1467
1468
1469
1470
1471 ; TEST Slayer Tactics^n
1472 Wild Gambit^n
1473 Hastened Punishment^n
1474 Honor Restored^n
1475 Slaughter^n
1476 Got No Time For You^n
1477 Push For More^n
1478 The Bigger They Are...^n
1479 Embrace the Pain^n
1480
1481 ; TEST Slayer Spec Tactics^n
1482 Power Through^n
1483 Fierce Might^n
1484 Short Temper^n
1485 Determination^n
1486 Violent Impacts^n
1487 Doomseeker^n
1488 Takin' Chances^n
1489 Runic Blessings^n
1490 Accuracy^n
1491
1492 ; TEST Slayer Morale^n
1493 Untouchable^n
1494 Doom Seeker^n
1495 Grievous Harm^n
1496
1497
1498 ; TEST Slayer Spec Morale^n
1499 Unleashed Power^n
1500 Deadly Determination^n
1501 Looks like a Challenge^n

So can anyone confirm this rumor about the Slayers being released?  I hear the buzz, but the evidence is weak.  Would be awesome though...

most servers i play on have a low order population anyway...a slayer maybe would help even out the servers.... DESTRO OWNS!!!!

Originally posted by StinkyPits

So can anyone confirm this rumor about the Slayers being released?  I hear the buzz, but the evidence is weak.  Would be awesome though...

See my post above yours and you will see Mythic added skills for them for some reason. We will find out on the 29th for sure though.

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Originally posted by reploidx

Also, the slayers don't really train others, they just pick up something and go.
So they could wear chainmail, but they choose to wear next to nothing.

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This is what I mean by conflicting info on Slayers. I found this bit on them as well.

"Younger Slayers often band together, sometimes under the tutelage of an older master, so that they can learn the arts of monster slaying".

This implies they get training, which would make sense as without armor, you'd have to depend on your skill and abilities. But if you were, say, a dwarf from a family of brewmasters and made a stinky beer that bankrupted the clan, you'd go do the slayer thing. But since you were a master brewer first, your fighting skills would be naturally lacking, so you'd need some type of help or you'd die too fast. Now, although that's the point, you'd try not to die as is a dwarves' nature so you'd want to improve your skills through training.

For an obvious non-lore person as myself, this is slightly confusing.^^

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Originally posted by Varking
Aye, it isn't part of the norm, but also other than Gotrek there isn't a ton written on the Slayers.

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I think this answers anymore questions I would have about Slayer lore. It seems they are free to do quite a bit in the absence of written text and guidelines on the class, which is perfectly fine.

Thx Varking.

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Originally posted by StinkyPits
So can anyone confirm this rumor about the Slayers being released?  I hear the buzz, but the evidence is weak.  Would be awesome though...

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Yes.

Originally posted by popinjay

 

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Originally posted by reploidx

 

Also, the slayers don't really train others, they just pick up something and go.
So they could wear chainmail, but they choose to wear next to nothing.

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This is what I mean by conflicting info on Slayers. I found this bit on them as well.

"Younger Slayers often band together, sometimes under the tutelage of an older master, so that they can learn the arts of monster slaying".

This implies they get training, which would make sense as without armor, you'd have to depend on your skill and abilities. But if you were, say, a dwarf from a family of brewmasters and made a stinky beer that bankrupted the clan, you'd go do the slayer thing. But since you were a master brewer first, your fighting skills would be naturally lacking, so you'd need some type of help or you'd die too fast. Now, although that's the point, you'd try not to die as is a dwarves' nature so you'd want to improve your skills through training.

For an obvious non-lore person as myself, this is slightly confusing.^^

It is rare for a Slayer to become one without training. The quote you are getting that from is from official writings about the Slayers. Even in the book I was quoting from above, Tales of the Old World, a Slayer walks into the bar socializing with Grimli who helps him eventually decide to become a Slayer. He ends up showing him around and gives him some training as well.

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Originally posted by Varking

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Originally posted by popinjay

 

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Originally posted by reploidx
 
Also, the slayers don't really train others, they just pick up something and go.
So they could wear chainmail, but they choose to wear next to nothing.

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This is what I mean by conflicting info on Slayers. I found this bit on them as well.
"Younger Slayers often band together, sometimes under the tutelage of an older master, so that they can learn the arts of monster slaying".
This implies they get training, which would make sense as without armor, you'd have to depend on your skill and abilities. But if you were, say, a dwarf from a family of brewmasters and made a stinky beer that bankrupted the clan, you'd go do the slayer thing. But since you were a master brewer first, your fighting skills would be naturally lacking, so you'd need some type of help or you'd die too fast. Now, although that's the point, you'd try not to die as is a dwarves' nature so you'd want to improve your skills through training.
For an obvious non-lore person as myself, this is slightly confusing.^^

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It is rare for a Slayer to become one without training. The quote you are getting that from is from official writings about the Slayers. Even in the book I was quoting from above, Tales of the Old World, a Slayer walks into the bar socializing with Grimli who helps him eventually decide to become a Slayer. He ends up showing him around and gives him some training as well.

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That's what I was lead to believe.. thx.^^

BTW: Are you playing WAR now Vark? If so, what's your take on how lore was handled? You obviously know your lore.

Originally posted by popinjay

 

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Originally posted by Varking

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Originally posted by popinjay

 

 

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Originally posted by reploidx
 
Also, the slayers don't really train others, they just pick up something and go.
So they could wear chainmail, but they choose to wear next to nothing.

 

 

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This is what I mean by conflicting info on Slayers. I found this bit on them as well.
"Younger Slayers often band together, sometimes under the tutelage of an older master, so that they can learn the arts of monster slaying".
This implies they get training, which would make sense as without armor, you'd have to depend on your skill and abilities. But if you were, say, a dwarf from a family of brewmasters and made a stinky beer that bankrupted the clan, you'd go do the slayer thing. But since you were a master brewer first, your fighting skills would be naturally lacking, so you'd need some type of help or you'd die too fast. Now, although that's the point, you'd try not to die as is a dwarves' nature so you'd want to improve your skills through training.
For an obvious non-lore person as myself, this is slightly confusing.^^

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It is rare for a Slayer to become one without training. The quote you are getting that from is from official writings about the Slayers. Even in the book I was quoting from above, Tales of the Old World, a Slayer walks into the bar socializing with Grimli who helps him eventually decide to become a Slayer. He ends up showing him around and gives him some training as well.

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That's what I was lead to believe.. thx.^^

BTW: Are you playing WAR now Vark? If so, what's your take on how lore was handled? You obviously know your lore.

I Beta test the game for just shy of a year, got in during the second batch of invites about a month after the initial batch. It was still just Greenskin versus the Dwarf pairings and much of my time was spent correcting their spelling of Dwarfs ( they normally printed it as Dwarves as it is this way in most lore, but in Warhammer it is Dwarfs ). I had always had a blast with the game until about a full month ago at which point I have started playing about four or five hours a week as opposed to my usual 20-30. As far as lore goes there were many decisions made along the way I was most disappointed in but recently I read somewhere a post that made a ton of sense.

Basically what it read was something along the lines of this; In the Warhammer Pen & Paper Roleplaying game, somebody asking to create a Dwarfen  Witch Hunter wouldn't be out of the norm. There would be no such thing in the TableTop games for Warhammer though. What this is basically leading you to believe is that Warhammer lore is different pending on the game. The rules for pen and paper do not apply to the tabletop, and the rules for the tabletop do not apply for the pen and paper game. I now look at WAR as having its own set of lore which is basically an expansion ( breach ) of some of the things we knew.

Mythic has done what they could for the most part in trying to stay true to the lore but also creating a game people could enjoy. Without a healer for many of the armies in this game it would be a lot less fun, so they created and got the thumbs up from Games Workshop to add in a Rune Priest, a Disciple of Khaine, and a Zealot for example.

Lately I have been playing Lord of the Rings Online since I have a Lifetime Account for that game while I wait for the Slayer to release. I also plan on not doing any RvR at all on my Slayer until he hits Rank 40 so that I can try to unlock those special titles for killing people like 2,3, and 4 times your renown or something like that. I currently play a Rank 40, Renown Rank 56 Rune Priest on the Phoenix Throne server. Varking Runesong is his name and I am debating on weather I should just make a new name for my Slayer or if I should transfer all my stuff from Varking to an alt, kill him off, and then make my Slayer under this name. It matters not though, for the time being, since it will still be months before I see it on the live servers.

maby were not going be slayers :P

MABY THERE GOING TO BE SLAYER PIRATES!!!!

ARGGH >:O

i serve ardi argg captain long john orange beard :P

mmm pirate hats,axes, orange hair / beards, and strip blue and white pants :D

O MY!!!!

Originally posted by popinjay

 

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Originally posted by Axxar

 

Have you heard of witch elves? They wear no armour and run screaming into battle. In WAR they still get armour and stats from gear, while despite being one of the most non-stealthy units in the tabletop, they have stealth in WAR.
You can in fact break Slayer lore. You can see it wouldn't be a problem for Mythic/GW to not take things too seriously. As you can see there's precedense already. What you're saying is that you don't feel it's right to break lore because you've done it before. I don't care about that. What I do care about is that it shows Mythic/GW have no problems doing this sort of stuff if it's good for the game and isn't too over the top. Lore changes in the game demonstrate that it's very much within the realm of possibility. Whether you specifically like it or not doesn't really matter.
I'm not going to reiterate the workarounds for any other old, obsolete arguments you can come up with. If you search a bit on Slayers on the WHA forums for example, you'll see everything you can come up with already has a workaround. While you may personally have a problem with Slayers being introduced to the game (which is fine if you have that opinion), there doesn't seem to be anything stopping Mythic or GW, which is all that matters really. Whether you want to realise it or not is up to you. If you don't, no one can help you, sadly.

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Yes, I have heard of WE's wearing armor when in Warhammer lore its not quite the same thing. I posted as much. I think you seem to be missing something. You are not getting an argument from me, although you seem to be reading one.

If you read again, I am agreeing that there WILL be Slayers and they WILL wear armor, which is against lore. This will be imminent in about 3 months time probably when they hear Aion is about to release in NA or something, that's how Mythic usually does things historically. They just try and beat someone else to market to get the dollar whether the content is ready or not. The Slayer lore will be broken with a sledgehammer and I already stated no one playing will care, because this crowd playing WAR now is not the original crowd from release. It's a casual non-lore knowing crowd by and large. They just want to kill each other zerg style.

You are the one who said since the lore was broken already with other classes, you don't see why not the same with Slayers. You said this: "In addition, several classes in the game can be said to break the lore more than a Slayer ever could". So I think its fair to say you are the one who is pushing its ok to break lore, especially since it looks like you are one of the ones who really want to play the Slayer. There's nothing wrong with it, just call it like it is.

You state: "Shouldn't really be any trouble with lore issues if they go about it correctly. For example the Slayer's desire to die can be implemented as easily as not giving them a Flee button. Most "issues" with introducing the Slayer are easily worked around and have been multiple times on fanboards". And then the BEST example to explain how a Slayer can do something without breaking lore is to give them a "Flee" button. Weak. Slayers don't run from battle. Again, that defeats the WHOLE purpose of wanting to die and breaks lore. Then you casually state "MOST issues are EASILY worked around multiple times" and then you fail to present even ONE of those multiple, easy solutions. I mean really, you've seen most issues worked out multiple times, and can't remember one to post? That's pretty good.

Did you know I can cure cancer? I have multiple easy solutions I have posted numerous times, but as you say "I'm not going to reiterate the workarounds for any other old, obsolete arguments you can come up with." I'm sure if you did a little research, you could find them easily.

Problem with Slayers wearing full armor? Nah. I'm not a lore buff. This is a discussion thread and I'm discussing it lol. I simply point out how for the sake of a buck on the business part, and lust on the unintiatied's part how things like this get so fusterclucked. This is part of the reasons this game is floundering. No principles. No integrity. And it starts from the top down. People like you allow companies to do this to MMOs for the sake of a dollar just cause they want to live out their dream of being a Slayer and this is why MMOs are for crap nowadays. That's fine, but call it like it is.

At least the TT Warhammer fans as a whole refused to buy into this type of mercenarty zeal and held Mythic accountable.

witch elves in warhammer lore are not stealthy they are more like berserkers rushing into the fray. they fight naked aswell.