Originally posted by Guillermo197

Originally posted by ProfRed

Drama queen #40584.

If the game launches and is good then I will see you there.  If it is all doom and gloom like everyone and their mother predicts then you can come on here and make post #40584 saying, 'I told you so.' 

... and come on.  Take a minute to open your eyes and read.  The fanbase is not unreasonable or religous.  It's the haters and trolls that are cult like and religously slam on Darkfall every chance they get.  Just take a minute to read any forum on the internet.

You REALLY want to know why so many so called trolls ended up here slamming this game and being highly sceptical?

1. Tasos. No news there.

2. All the RELIGOUS fanbois TROLLING on the other game forums in how bad that game is and how Darkfall is going to be THE game that's gonna KILL yours! They highjacked so many topics on other MMO forums calling out Darkfall to be the End to all current MMO's....Darkfall being the next coming of Jesus.

It was just inevitable till the people on the other MMO forums got fed up by it and came here.

Cheers

 Its true i've seen Darkfall fans trolling in Vanguard, and AoC forums saying how crappy that forums game is and how the players should come to Darkfall the really cool greatest sandbox game ever. Seemed a bit zealous to me. <shrug>
 

Just kill yourself now Mr. jako jako, I can understand you being upset but you need to realize a few a things:

Aventurine isn't a big time company like Blizzard, so it must be hard to coordinate and operate a business while still being able to support the mainframe of the game.  To take seven years to develop the game before you, attempt to keep the community updated and involved (remember, small company), feed the press with information, market the game which includes advertising, distributing, research, try and keep up with competitor prices/quality of the game (the publisher probably does most of this, but Aventurine is still involved), etc.

Take everyone of these steps and add more sub-steps such as proper management, human resources, community managment, etc.

Now don't forget, this is a small company, it doesn't have the resources to compete with a multi-millionare/billionare company as Blizzard, nor do I think it even wants to, not because they can't, but because thats not what their trying to do.

Before you go off comparing Aventurine to Blizzard, think about what your really talking about.

Lack of offical Information? Look it up yourself besides copying what the troll next to you is saying.  Their is over 600 OFFICAL screenshots, 9 OFFICAL game videos, and about 280 OFFICAL pages of developer journals, articles, and Q&A transcripts (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darkfall), look for them, don't sit here and complain about them.

The few updates aren't good enough for you?  Thats your problem, some people enjoy them.

Darkfall Forum Mod Nazis?  Havn't come across one yet, and when I have they close it because it is probably something that was either answered before in a sticky that says "READ HERE FIRST!" that most people don't bother reading, or it is probably something such as "this game sucks", or "when is it coming out, they lied to us!" etc.

"Pathetically" religous fanbase? Says the guy complaining about an unreleased video game on the internet to other internet users!  I need go no further 

Again, if you had any idea what running a business is like, you'd realize their is a LOT of stuff that comes up, and a LOT of problems, especially a business running a video game, let alone an MMO.  In the end, its coming out anyways, ever hear patience?

Arrogant Development Team?  When did they state their game is 100% bug free?  It wouldn't be in closed beta if it was bug free.

Pathetic excuses the fans come up with eh?  I think their are just confident the game will come out, and they will be happy to see it when it does, just because you never had anything to look forward to in your life and aren't confident about anything in your life doesn't mean you should automatically stereotype the Darkfall fanbase.

Pathetic excuses the development team keep coming up with..?  Well i'm sorry the problems that keep coming up aren't good enough for you, but keep in mind, problems come up all over the place.

Again, you said how WoW can handle 12 million with great stability, and how Darkfall should be able to support at least 200,000?  Lets start off by saying Blizzard has never stated that they have 12 Million ACTIVE PLAYERS each day.  They have on the other hand stated they have 12 Million Subscribers, add in gold sellers, alts, storage accounts, and the ones that are sitting their with no one playing them.  Now, try doing this thing called research.  Go ahead and find multiple server boxes supporting 200,000 people WITH great stability, get the price, then come talk to me.  You need to remember, all the money it took to develop the game, publish it, and for all the other small expenses and costs, it has to be hard on a SMALL game company such as Aventurine.

Website shutdowns 2-4 times a week?  Oh, you mean the maintenance to help keep the website up and running so people can still view it?  Oh oh, and you mean hours worth of work to clear up all the trash posts people like you leave, so they "potential playerbase" doesn't have to go through it all?

Haha, well that does sound like a personal problem, and buddy, you wouldn't know an ab workout if you got a lifetime supply of gym memberships and a full workout station in your computer room.

Bye!! No one will remember you or miss you at all 

Originally posted by ProfRed

Ok I guess you guys clearly have reasons to hate this game.  I am going to stop posting here and let you have your fun.  I wish you all the best!  Happy gaming.

 Thats sad we point out you might not be 100% correct in your defense of the DF fanbase and you up and leaving saying we all hate Darkfall Hehe.(Note a DF fan would have told you you won't be missed and can we have your stuff) 

 Personally I'll say it again for you (I've said it many times before and have never once called DF crap, vaporware etc.) I hope Darkfall comes out and is everything the fans hope. Do I believe it will at this point well thats a different story. Do I rag on it saying it will Fail? Find me a post where i have and i will apologies. Once again the doubters get hit with the broad paintbrush of generalization 

Jesus, Ive been reading these forums since the news hit and every single thread has a fan boy who refuses to even think a negative comment about Darkfall never mind type it. They just use the good old

"Ill call this guy a troll, that way i can live in my perfect fluffy world where everything is perfect, Oh look! Its raining strawberries again!"

Seriously, its a simple formula:

post + critical comment = troll.

* Game delayed again (It wasn't meant to happen this time!).

* Pre-Orders (Told it wasn't going to happen)

* Staggered release\Limited Beta

To even be contemplating such a release is actually really bad. They know how many people have registered for beta, they have known for a while. Its an MMO, 300k people should be a minimum target.... not too much. But wait! Its only beta i hear you cry!.... Its not only beta, the game has been 'Ready for release' for a while now supposedly.

If this is how AV are handling Darkfall now then its how they will handle it if it ever goes live. Have fun waiting 5 months for that patch that's been almost finished for the last 4.
 

There was a time i thought Darkfall might be a game for me, not anymore.

Originally posted by pasi11

Just kill yourself now Mr. jako jako, I can understand you being upset but you need to realize a few a things:

 

Aventurine isn't a big time company like Blizzard, so it must be hard to coordinate and operate a business while still being able to support the mainframe of the game.  To take seven years to develop the game before you, attempt to keep the community updated and involved (remember, small company), feed the press with information, market the game which includes advertising, distributing, research, try and keep up with competitor prices/quality of the game (the publisher probably does most of this, but Aventurine is still involved), etc.

 

Take everyone of these steps and add more sub-steps such as proper management, human resources, community managment, etc.

 

Now don't forget, this is a small company, it doesn't have the resources to compete with a multi-millionare/billionare company as Blizzard, nor do I think it even wants to, not because they can't, but because thats not what their trying to do.

 

Before you go off comparing Aventurine to Blizzard, think about what your really talking about.

 

Lack of offical Information? Look it up yourself besides copying what the troll next to you is saying.  Their is over 600 OFFICAL screenshots, 9 OFFICAL game videos, and about 280 OFFICAL pages of developer journals, articles, and Q&A transcripts (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darkfall), look for them, don't sit here and complain about them.

 

The few updates aren't good enough for you?  Thats your problem, some people enjoy them.

 

Darkfall Forum Mod Nazis?  Havn't come across one yet, and when I have they close it because it is probably something that was either answered before in a sticky that says "READ HERE FIRST!" that most people don't bother reading, or it is probably something such as "this game sucks", or "when is it coming out, they lied to us!" etc.

 

"Pathetically" religous fanbase? Says the guy complaining about an unreleased video game on the internet to other internet users!  I need go no further 

 

Again, if you had any idea what running a business is like, you'd realize their is a LOT of stuff that comes up, and a LOT of problems, especially a business running a video game, let alone an MMO.  In the end, its coming out anyways, ever hear patience?

 

Arrogant Development Team?  When did they state their game is 100% bug free?  It wouldn't be in closed beta if it was bug free.

 

Pathetic excuses the fans come up with eh?  I think their are just confident the game will come out, and they will be happy to see it when it does, just because you never had anything to look forward to in your life and aren't confident about anything in your life doesn't mean you should automatically stereotype the Darkfall fanbase.

 

Pathetic excuses the development team keep coming up with..?  Well i'm sorry the problems that keep coming up aren't good enough for you, but keep in mind, problems come up all over the place.

 

Again, you said how WoW can handle 12 million with great stability, and how Darkfall should be able to support at least 200,000?  Lets start off by saying Blizzard has never stated that they have 12 Million ACTIVE PLAYERS each day.  They have on the other hand stated they have 12 Million Subscribers, add in gold sellers, alts, storage accounts, and the ones that are sitting their with no one playing them.  Now, try doing this thing called research.  Go ahead and find multiple server boxes supporting 200,000 people WITH great stability, get the price, then come talk to me.  You need to remember, all the money it took to develop the game, publish it, and for all the other small expenses and costs, it has to be hard on a SMALL game company such as Aventurine.

 

Website shutdowns 2-4 times a week?  Oh, you mean the maintenance to help keep the website up and running so people can still view it?  Oh oh, and you mean hours worth of work to clear up all the trash posts people like you leave, so they "potential playerbase" doesn't have to go through it all?

 

Haha, well that does sound like a personal problem, and buddy, you wouldn't know an ab workout if you got a lifetime supply of gym memberships and a full workout station in your computer room.

 

Bye!! No one will remember you or miss you at all 

 Umm you don't read many of Tasos's posts do you? You know like the one in early December when he said DF was feature complete and could release today with less bugs then most MMO's have a month after launch? Or how unlike other companies they would never have a release date they would not keep and then post the game would be out in 2008 as a officla company stand, then follow it up to announce a jan 22nd release just to miss that as well. Gee sure glade they're better then other MMO companies.

  As to active players. Lets use Eve as a example they claim to have 250k subscribers last i checked but yet at any given time I don't think they ever had over 40K on at once (been awhile but last record I saw was 39k some) So even if DF got 200K subscribers were only talking 4)k max on at any given time.  Meh only brought that up because you seemed to dwell on it a bit. not even sure the point.

  Problem is the Dev/ Tasos stated they didn't need a big beta test as they had AI bots and profeesional paid testers beta'ing DF for months. The fans went so far as to state this was much better then any old beta test. Well guess what right now it seems Aventurine is kinda in mess because it seem they do need beat testers. Give em points for trying out something new Subtract points for being so arrogant they thought they were feature complete and ready to release with no external beta testers testing in December.

  Lastly you should never tell someone to kill themselves as part of your arguement it just makes you look Lame, but oh i know the Fans are the reasonable ones here as Profred says. 

Originally posted by jakojako

THERE WERE GONNA BE LESS THAN 200,000 PPL WHO WANTED TO PLAY!!!"

^Seriously? ALMOST EVERY FUCKING MMO CAN HANDLE 1,000,000 PEOPLE, WoW handles 12 Million with great stability, and you're saying that you can't handle 200,000????

This is the kind of idiotic dribble that makes you look like a melodramatic nutjob.  Why don't you put things into context before blowing your ass out on public forums.  First off caps lock is cruise-control for cool, especially in this case.

Do you think WoW could have handled 12 Million people at release?   They could barely handle the few hundred thousand they had when it came out.   I remember being in massive server queues, crashing servers, and performance problems out the ass.   WoW can handle 12 Million users, now, 4-5 years later, because they now have a larger staff, a lot more money, and a lot more infrastructure than they did in 2004.

Darkfall is a lot less people, who created a project with a lot less money.  You should find a new hobby because video games get delayed on every platform, not just the PC.  How many times has Blizzard delayed a game?   That's what I thought.    Get a grip, it's a 1 month delay.

PS. Nobody cares if you leave this forum.  In fact the more that leave the better.   Anyone who is not going to buy the game because of this delay is someone who probably would not have bought it anyways as you are noit the target audience.

Originally posted by crysent

Holy crap man,

find a hobby, don't sit around counting the day, hours, minutes until a game comes out.  Don't let your life revolve around a game.  Find some hobbies or get a girlfriend or something and then when the game comes out, if it ever does give it a try if not oh well.

dude I would say your a little bit dramatic...

I agree 100000000%!

OP: I think you overreact.

Feature complete doesn't mean bug free. There are features that are coded into the game framework but still need balancing. The dev team needs feedback on features - something AI cannot give.

Its pefectly understandable their reasons for postponing, although it is bizarre that Tasos has stressed that they will not miss a release date and not introduce pre-orders.

Nevertheless, if they deliver what they say they can deliever, I'll be a happy gamer.

We need a doctor here . Is there a doctor in the house ?

Originally posted by Dexy

 

Jesus, Ive been reading these forums since the news hit and every single thread has a fan boy who refuses to even think a negative comment about Darkfall never mind type it. 

And for each of these fanboys there is at least one person stating how this time it really is the last straw and the game is dead for sure, when in fact it isnt dead for sure. They also have no reason on their side because the game actually could come out in Feb. They refuse to even think of a positive comment for Darkfall.

See, it works both ways here, and both sides really have no idea what they are talking about.

But since the fanboys are on the side of hope (good) and the haters are on the side of hate (evil) i will side with the fanboys.

OP:

I would suggest you go outside for a while, get some fresh air, enjoy the planet and what it offers.  Darkfall is a GAME, it is not YOUR game, it is a game designed by people in Greece and it isn't done quite yet.

You have NO money or resources invested in the development of this game.

Why in the hell would you allow yourself to get this emotional over a game that isn't released yet and that you have nothing invested in, other than time reading forums?

Seriously, go outside for a while.

Originally posted by jakojako

  Personally, i'm over-fed-up with all the bullshit that's going on with this game.

The COMPLETE ABSENCE of official information,

Lack of updates on the game,

(the few updates are) Disappointing updates ,

Darkfall Forum Mod Nazis (closing threads then never giving a reason, etc...),

The pathetically religious fanbase (THIS GAME WILL BE THE BEST EVARRR CUZ TASOS SAID!!!),

The bullshit being fed to us CONSTANTLY (We definately won't miss a release date!!!, EVERYONE will try the game for free b4 paying!!!, The game is 100% ready to release in early december '08)

The Arrogant Development team (Our game is teh bomb! 100% bug free lawl!),

The pathetic Excuses that the fans (who have never played the game, mind you) constantly pull out of their asses for the game.

The pathetic Excuses that the DEVELOPMENT TEAM is constantly pulling out of their asses for the game:

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"WE CAN'T RELEASE ON 22nd BECAUSE WE THOUGHT THERE WERE GONNA BE LESS THAN 200,000 PPL WHO WANTED TO PLAY!!!"

^Seriously? ALMOST EVERY FUCKING MMO CAN HANDLE 1,000,000 PEOPLE, WoW handles 12 Million with great stability, and you're saying that you can't handle 200,000????

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The CONSTANT supply of bad omens surrounding this game (Website completely SHUTS down 2-4 times a week, etc...)

And finally... The lack of any kind of compassion for their potential playerbase.

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Darkfall, you lost me. I was looking forward to playing this game in all of its promises, but i'm fed up with everything that I listed above (and those are only off the top of my head...).

The only reason I anticipated this game was because of the "Feature List" on their website which hasn't been updated since 2003. I hate pretty much EVERYTHING else about this game.

I'll still be checking these forums because they're good for the hearty lulz (these are good forums to come to if you want an easy ab workout), but there isn't a chance in hell that Aventurine will be able to suck me back into this nonsense.

Cya

I bet you a penny that you buy the game if its even half decent