Originally posted by Zayne3145

Originally posted by observer

Vanguard, AoC, WAR, and soon DF.....and the trend continues.  As long as people keep buying unfinished products, they'll keep selling them.

 

QFT.

I made that mistake with AoC and got my fingers burnt. Never again. Unfortunately some people never learn.

Name one finished product upon launch that is an MMORPG? You can't, because that's what an MMO is. This isn't some defense against Darkfall, because DF is not my cup of tea. But let's be serious here, do you have any idea what your talking about? I can run down a huge list of "unifinished" MMORPG's as you claim, but what really is "unifinished" to you? Thinking before posting might help. Until PC's are like consoles, you will NEVER see this dreamed product of yours. Sorry for the de-rail, but this post sounded like someone who's never played an MMORPG before. 

Originally posted by Lonewolf

They are an independent company, funded by independent investors, did you think it would be smooth sailing for them

Every company starts somewhere, Aventurine is no different its just a shame that it happened to take so long for the production of the game, and thus the silly amount of vaporware and critiques appearing from people in the gaming world

CCP was an indie company when they developed EVE.  That's no excuse to give them that reason of why Aventurine have taken 8 years to develop and so many issues to date. 

Compared to CCP, Aventurine is just doing everything wrong. Even for a small company.

Originally posted by Enigma

Originally posted by Lonewolf

They are an independent company, funded by independent investors, did you think it would be smooth sailing for them

Every company starts somewhere, Aventurine is no different its just a shame that it happened to take so long for the production of the game, and thus the silly amount of vaporware and critiques appearing from people in the gaming world

 

CCP was an indie company when they developed EVE.  That's no excuse to give them that reason of why Aventurine have taken 8 years to develop and so many issues to date. 

Compared to CCP, Aventurine is just doing everything wrong. Even for a small company.

5 years, not 8 years. Thought you would have learned the lore by now Enigma

Edit: 6 years :)

Another pointless irrelevant ignorant hate filled wall of text rant by a WoW carebear, Darkfall is feature complete and has been fully tested, and is ready for release, Tasos told us, he knows not you.

Tasos is delaying the full release by a month purely for the benefit of the community so that the full release will have no problems and the game will be the best ever.

Pre orders have only been begrudgingly made available after the over whelming demand from the followers for them against Tasos's best intentions.

Tasos is only allowing preorders purely to help stage the release of the game and to determine demand more accurately, but only to ensure that the full release is flawless, you should be thanking him for allowing you the privilege of preordering this revolutionary groundbreaking advanced game.

Tasos is committed to only launching Darkfall when it is perfect and polished, which is why he agreed to the community's wishes to delay the full launch until the 25th of February, you should be thanking Tasos for delaying the game again so its everything you've ever wanted when its released.

Originally posted by Xris375

Originally posted by Enigma

Originally posted by Lonewolf

They are an independent company, funded by independent investors, did you think it would be smooth sailing for them

Every company starts somewhere, Aventurine is no different its just a shame that it happened to take so long for the production of the game, and thus the silly amount of vaporware and critiques appearing from people in the gaming world

 

CCP was an indie company when they developed EVE.  That's no excuse to give them that reason of why Aventurine have taken 8 years to develop and so many issues to date. 

Compared to CCP, Aventurine is just doing everything wrong. Even for a small company.

5 years, not 8 years. Thought you would have learned the lore by now Enigma

Edit: 6 years :)

No its 8 years. I dont care if Tasos wants to convince himself and his worshippers its 5 but the game started development in 2001. They might have restarted, so what. Its still the same name and some things carried over.

Its 8 yrs and thats pathetic

Originally posted by stayontarget

Very nice and a must read for anyone looking into this game.

Agree 100%

Originally posted by mackdawg19

Name one finished product upon launch that is an MMORPG? You can't, because that's what an MMO is. This isn't some defense against Darkfall, because DF is not my cup of tea. But let's be serious here, do you have any idea what your talking about? I can run down a huge list of "unifinished" MMORPG's as you claim, but what really is "unifinished" to you?

Personally, I tend to think that when people talk about "unfinished" MMO's, they're  really talking about unpolished, unstable ones. It's not a matter of an MMO being finished on release, as in all of the content that will ever be in the game is in the game, but rather that the developers have worked hard on the game, tested it thoroughly and can offer consumers a well designed, relatively stable, very polished game that works out of the box when you install it on your PC.

 Does the game work when I go to install it? Can I patch it with relative ease, and can I play with a fairly stable connection, without major game breaking issues (CTD's, severe memory leaks, etc.)? Do the customer support and billing services work? Do the basic mechanics that the developers want me to use (i.e., combat, trade, chat, NPC merchants, NPC banks, crafting and tradeskills, travel, etc.) work?

If a game client is unstable, has serious issues that are basic in nature (i.e., Anarchy Online's horrid memory leaks at launch, Vanguard's launch problems with CTD, hitching, and various performance issues, etc.), people will quit and call the game unfinished. Why? Because it doesn't work. It's not polished. That's what people are talking about.

Originally posted by Polarization

Another pointless irrelevant ignorant hate filled wall of text rant by a WoW carebear, Darkfall is feature complete and has been fully tested, and is ready for release, Tasos told us, he knows not you.

Tasos is delaying the full release by a month purely for the benefit of the community so that the full release will have no problems and the game will be the best ever.

Pre orders have only been begrudgingly made available after the over whelming demand from the followers for them against Tasos's best intentions.

Tasos is only allowing preorders purely to help stage the release of the game and to determine demand more accurately, but only to ensure that the full release is flawless, you should be thanking him for allowing you the privilege of preordering this revolutionary groundbreaking advanced game.

Tasos is committed to only launching Darkfall when it is perfect and polished, which is why he agreed to the community's wishes to delay the full launch until the 25th of February, you should be thanking Tasos for delaying the game again so its everything you've ever wanted when its released.

Tasos says this, Tasos said that, Tasos is only concerned with the community, Tasos is a giving person, Tasos loves us....

good grief man.

Fanboism - They tie their ego and heart to the game and therefore must defend it at all cost. Any criticism must be met with vicious reprisal. Any evidence that threatens the ego must be ignored. History is of no concern because this time will be different.
 

Originally posted by admriker4

Originally posted by Xris375

Originally posted by Enigma

Originally posted by Lonewolf

They are an independent company, funded by independent investors, did you think it would be smooth sailing for them

Every company starts somewhere, Aventurine is no different its just a shame that it happened to take so long for the production of the game, and thus the silly amount of vaporware and critiques appearing from people in the gaming world

 

CCP was an indie company when they developed EVE.  That's no excuse to give them that reason of why Aventurine have taken 8 years to develop and so many issues to date. 

Compared to CCP, Aventurine is just doing everything wrong. Even for a small company.

5 years, not 8 years. Thought you would have learned the lore by now Enigma

Edit: 6 years :)

 

No its 8 years. I dont care if Tasos wants to convince himself and his worshippers its 5 but the game started development in 2001. They might have restarted, so what. Its still the same name and some things carried over.

Its 8 yrs and thats pathetic

That is like saying Warhammer Online startet development in 1983. It's still the same name and some things carried over, right ? And it's 6 years, not 5.

Originally posted by mackdawg19

Originally posted by Zayne3145

Originally posted by observer

Vanguard, AoC, WAR, and soon DF.....and the trend continues.  As long as people keep buying unfinished products, they'll keep selling them.

 

QFT.

I made that mistake with AoC and got my fingers burnt. Never again. Unfortunately some people never learn.

 

Name one finished product upon launch that is an MMORPG? You can't, because that's what an MMO is. This isn't some defense against Darkfall, because DF is not my cup of tea. But let's be serious here, do you have any idea what your talking about? I can run down a huge list of "unifinished" MMORPG's as you claim, but what really is "unifinished" to you? Thinking before posting might help. Until PC's are like consoles, you will NEVER see this dreamed product of yours. Sorry for the de-rail, but this post sounded like someone who's never played an MMORPG before. 

It is true that technically no MMO is ever truly complete.

However what many probably define as unfinished is an MMO missing Features they promise at launch.

For example, Age of Conan promised the first MMO with DX10 support. Its listed on the box even. Only thing is, the game doesnt have DX10 and that was kept from players right up until launch. Therefore the game is unfinished.

Star Wars Galaxies promised mounts, player cities, and space for launch. The game launched without those features. They also said jedi was possible to achieve at launch, it wasnt. Therefore the game launched unfinished.

I could go on and on with examples.

Darkfall has been in development for 9 years. And they didn't start the game over in 2003. At the end of 2003, they said beta was about to start. At the begining of 2004, they said beta was about to start. In the middle of 2004 , they said beta was about to start.

So it is clear that they didn't start over. Thats just nonsense.

Originally posted by Polarization

Another pointless irrelevant ignorant hate filled wall of text rant by a WoW carebear, Darkfall is feature complete and has been fully tested, and is ready for release, Tasos told us, he knows not you.

Tasos is delaying the full release by a month purely for the benefit of the community so that the full release will have no problems and the game will be the best ever.

Pre orders have only been begrudgingly made available after the over whelming demand from the followers for them against Tasos's best intentions.

Tasos is only allowing preorders purely to help stage the release of the game and to determine demand more accurately, but only to ensure that the full release is flawless, you should be thanking him for allowing you the privilege of preordering this revolutionary groundbreaking advanced game.

Tasos is committed to only launching Darkfall when it is perfect and polished, which is why he agreed to the community's wishes to delay the full launch until the 25th of February, you should be thanking Tasos for delaying the game again so its everything you've ever wanted when its released.

hah that made me smile, not recognising you from previous posts I could not tell whether that was sarcasm or not lol.

Originally posted by ghoul31

Originally posted by Xris375

That is like saying Warhammer Online startet development in 1983. It's still the same name and some things carried over, right ? And it's 6 years, not 5.

 

Actually its been in development for 9 years. And they didn't start the game over in 2003. At the end of 2003, they said beta was about to start. At the begining of 2004, they said beta was about to start. In the middle of 2004 , they said beta was about to start.

So it is clear that they didn't start over. Thats just nonsense.

 

Well, all the information indicates that they did actually almost start all over; check the older DF map at Warcry. They redesigned the entire world for one, and they modified the game engine. That's almost like starting over.

I guess they kept many minor - but time-consuming - details alright.

Originally posted by Gorilla

Originally posted by Polarization

 

hah that made me smile, not recognising you from previous posts I could not tell whether that was sarcasm or not lol.

When Pol understood that there actually were a DF beta in existance, his mind clicked and he now running around as a reborn fanboi. He is quite insane of course...so stay away and do not feed him.

I remember people naysaying CCP and EVE when it first came out as well. EVE is still here though, and doing pretty well.

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Originally posted by Xris375

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Originally posted by Enigma

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Originally posted by Lonewolf

They are an independent company, funded by independent investors, did you think it would be smooth sailing for them
Every company starts somewhere, Aventurine is no different its just a shame that it happened to take so long for the production of the game, and thus the silly amount of vaporware and critiques appearing from people in the gaming world

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CCP was an indie company when they developed EVE.  That's no excuse to give them that reason of why Aventurine have taken 8 years to develop and so many issues to date. 
Compared to CCP, Aventurine is just doing everything wrong. Even for a small company.

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5 years, not 8 years. Thought you would have learned the lore by now Enigma
Edit: 6 years :)

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I know the lore very damned well thank you...its over 8 years now

Originally posted by Galadourn

Originally posted by ghoul31

Originally posted by Xris375

That is like saying Warhammer Online startet development in 1983. It's still the same name and some things carried over, right ? And it's 6 years, not 5.

 

Actually its been in development for 9 years. And they didn't start the game over in 2003. At the end of 2003, they said beta was about to start. At the begining of 2004, they said beta was about to start. In the middle of 2004 , they said beta was about to start.

So it is clear that they didn't start over. Thats just nonsense.

 

 

Well, all the information indicates that they did actually almost start all over; check the older DF map at Warcry. They redesigned the entire world for one, and they modified the game engine. That's almost like starting over.

I guess they kept many minor - but time-consuming - details alright.

I dont' have to check Warcry, I have been registered on Dark-n-Fail  forums since they were Razorwax and no they did not "start over". That is BS. They rewrote some code but the basic ideas and design have been around and under development since before Razorwax ever brought up a website. Therefore the development cycle is closer to 14 years!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

As to the world / map. Go look at the original world shown by Razorwax. It is the same damn world just without any detail. The shape and location of the land masses are the same.

Hell if I really cared to waste my time I would bet I could overlay the two maps in Photoshop and they would line right up.

This game has been a sham for years and shows no sign of changing. I hope some of the investors are reading what is being said all over the web about this POS fraud and start demanding results or Taco's head on a platter.

Greek's like Turks have their own way to mete out justice, maybe they will give old Taco some of it.

EDIT: here take a look at the land of Darkfall circa 2002 at the link below:

web.archive.org/web/20030215203044/www.darkfallonline.com/features/world/

Originally posted by Galadourn

Originally posted by ghoul31

Originally posted by Xris375

That is like saying Warhammer Online startet development in 1983. It's still the same name and some things carried over, right ? And it's 6 years, not 5.

 

Actually its been in development for 9 years. And they didn't start the game over in 2003. At the end of 2003, they said beta was about to start. At the begining of 2004, they said beta was about to start. In the middle of 2004 , they said beta was about to start.

So it is clear that they didn't start over. Thats just nonsense.

 

 

Well, all the information indicates that they did actually almost start all over; check the older DF map at Warcry. They redesigned the entire world for one, and they modified the game engine. That's almost like starting over.

I guess they kept many minor - but time-consuming - details alright.

According to Claus they changed very little. 

I guess I'm  going to go with believing an actual Dev. on this one, and a non-Tasos Dev. at that. 

Edit:

" Claus: Very little has changed. We have stayed true to the original design, and kept almost all of the features promised when we launched the Darkfall site two years ago. "

8-03-2003  forums.darkfallonline.com/showthread.php

Originally posted by xzyax

Originally posted by Galadourn

Originally posted by ghoul31

Originally posted by Xris375

 

 

 

 

 

According to Claus they changed very little. 

I guess I'm  going to go with believing an actual Dev. on this one, and a non-Tasos Dev. at that. 

 

Edit:

" Claus: Very little has changed. We have stayed true to the original design, and kept almost all of the features promised when we launched the Darkfall site two years ago. "

8-03-2003  forums.darkfallonline.com/showthread.php

 

It that a quote from 2003 ? And they didn't change the game since then ?

Originally posted by admriker4

Originally posted by Polarization

Another pointless irrelevant ignorant hate filled wall of text rant by a WoW carebear, Darkfall is feature complete and has been fully tested, and is ready for release, Tasos told us, he knows not you.

Tasos is delaying the full release by a month purely for the benefit of the community so that the full release will have no problems and the game will be the best ever.

Pre orders have only been begrudgingly made available after the over whelming demand from the followers for them against Tasos's best intentions.

Tasos is only allowing preorders purely to help stage the release of the game and to determine demand more accurately, but only to ensure that the full release is flawless, you should be thanking him for allowing you the privilege of preordering this revolutionary groundbreaking advanced game.

Tasos is committed to only launching Darkfall when it is perfect and polished, which is why he agreed to the community's wishes to delay the full launch until the 25th of February, you should be thanking Tasos for delaying the game again so its everything you've ever wanted when its released.

 

Tasos says this, Tasos said that, Tasos is only concerned with the community, Tasos is a giving person, Tasos loves us....

good grief man.

Fanboism - They tie their ego and heart to the game and therefore must defend it at all cost. Any criticism must be met with vicious reprisal. Any evidence that threatens the ego must be ignored. History is of no concern because this time will be different.
 

you missed his avatar. It was a joke post :D