Originally posted by xpiher

Originally posted by winter

Originally posted by downtoearth

LOL ok youw ant ot bet on that number 2 any ammount of money esspiccly when i have a friend in beta that isnt very smart to bet against me

 

 This would be the same friend that told you Darkfall would release on the 22nd?

 if you made a bet on every DF prediction you made here over the last few months you would be broke.

 

actually his friend told him that DF open beta would start on the 22nd.

 Ok but since there will be no open beta on the 22nd either its still pretty much the same. All hail the limited trial very possibly with the NDA in effect as Aventurine has not announced anywhere of dropping it.

Originally posted by winter

Originally posted by xpiher

Originally posted by winter

Originally posted by downtoearth

LOL ok youw ant ot bet on that number 2 any ammount of money esspiccly when i have a friend in beta that isnt very smart to bet against me

 

 This would be the same friend that told you Darkfall would release on the 22nd?

 if you made a bet on every DF prediction you made here over the last few months you would be broke.

 

actually his friend told him that DF open beta would start on the 22nd.

 

 Ok but since there will be no open beta on the 22nd either its still pretty much the same. All hail the limited trial very possibly with the NDA in effect as Aventurine has not announced anywhere of dropping it.

Man I'm sorry but you guys. The only difference between an Open Beta and a Closed Beta is an NDA not numbers. Most Open betas are limited. Not everyone and their grandmother can play it, but the people that do can talk about it, write reviews, post movies, etc. If the new people admited to the "limited trial" are bound by a strict NDA i.e. can't talk about the game, then its not an Open Beta. If they aren't bound by an NDA it is an Open beta.

Originally posted by xpiher

Originally posted by winter

Originally posted by xpiher

Originally posted by winter

Originally posted by downtoearth

LOL ok youw ant ot bet on that number 2 any ammount of money esspiccly when i have a friend in beta that isnt very smart to bet against me

 

 This would be the same friend that told you Darkfall would release on the 22nd?

 if you made a bet on every DF prediction you made here over the last few months you would be broke.

 

actually his friend told him that DF open beta would start on the 22nd.

 

 Ok but since there will be no open beta on the 22nd either its still pretty much the same. All hail the limited trial very possibly with the NDA in effect as Aventurine has not announced anywhere of dropping it.

 

Man I'm sorry but you guys. The only difference between an Open Beta and a Closed Beta is an NDA not numbers. Most Open betas are limited. Not everyone and their grandmother can play it, but the people that do can talk about it, write reviews, post movies, etc. If the new people admited to the "limited trial" are bound by a strict NDA i.e. can't talk about the game, then its not an Open Beta. If they aren't bound by an NDA it is an Open beta.

 

Well, I suppose you are free to make up your own definitions, but there are published sources that say you're wrong.

"Sometimes, beta tests are referred to as "open" or "closed". A closed beta test has a limited number of spots open for testing, while an open beta has either an unlimited number of spots (i.e. anyone who wants to can participate) or a very large number of spots in cases where opening it up to everyone is impractical."

webtrends.about.com/od/glossary/g/beta_define.htm

Yeah I'm glad they pushed WAR back too. So it could become the steaming pile of perfection it is today.

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Originally posted by xpiher

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Originally posted by winter

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Originally posted by xpiher

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Originally posted by winter

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Originally posted by downtoearth
 
LOL ok youw ant ot bet on that number 2 any ammount of money esspiccly when i have a friend in beta that isnt very smart to bet against me

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 This would be the same friend that told you Darkfall would release on the 22nd?
 if you made a bet on every DF prediction you made here over the last few months you would be broke.

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actually his friend told him that DF open beta would start on the 22nd.

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 Ok but since there will be no open beta on the 22nd either its still pretty much the same. All hail the limited trial very possibly with the NDA in effect as Aventurine has not announced anywhere of dropping it.

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Man I'm sorry but you guys. The only difference between an Open Beta and a Closed Beta is an NDA not numbers. Most Open betas are limited. Not everyone and their grandmother can play it, but the people that do can talk about it, write reviews, post movies, etc. If the new people admited to the "limited trial" are bound by a strict NDA i.e. can't talk about the game, then its not an Open Beta. If they aren't bound by an NDA it is an Open beta.
 

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Well, I suppose you are free to make up your own definitions, but there are published sources that say you're wrong.
"Sometimes, beta tests are referred to as "open" or "closed". A closed beta test has a limited number of spots open for testing, while an open beta has either an unlimited number of spots (i.e. anyone who wants to can participate) or a very large number of spots in cases where opening it up to everyone is impractical."
webtrends.about.com/od/glossary/g/beta_define.htm

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That def is wrong and/or out dated. With the MMO market today it is impractical to have Open Beta be open to every single person that wants to try a game without some form of restriction. All the open betas that have happened in the past couple of years (post 2005) have had limited spots available. Some of them were limited to pre-orders others to numbers in the 1000s. The key difference between the closed beta and open beta has been the enforcement of an NDA. 
 

BTW, thats just a made up definition as well. Until Oxford dictionary or Webster makes it official. The process of being an "official" word is very long and highly scrutinized. On a side note Google was/is being added to the dictionary as both a noun and a verb.

Originally posted by xpiher

 

Man I'm sorry but you guys. The only difference between an Open Beta and a Closed Beta is an NDA not numbers. Most Open betas are limited. Not everyone and their grandmother can play it, but the people that do can talk about it, write reviews, post movies, etc. If the new people admited to the "limited trial" are bound by a strict NDA i.e. can't talk about the game, then its not an Open Beta. If they aren't bound by an NDA it is an Open beta.

 

You swing...you miss.....strike three....your out.

Dude go back and do some homework. Open beta means just that open to all. NDA's are dropped at this stage if they had one to begin with.

Now if a company comes out and says:

"we are going to have an OB but there will be only a limited amount of spots because we can only handle 20k at this time"  Then I guess you could call that a limited trial or limited OB.  But I have never heard of any game company running an OB in that way.

Originally posted by xpiher

Originally posted by Theocritus

Originally posted by Joliust

Of the few Darkfall beta leaks I have seen, all paint a pretty awful picture. Of course you can't confirm if they are true or not.

 

         Yeah same here...I know alot of people are putting their faith in this game as the next coming of UO but the stuff I ahve seen it looks more like a poor mans Vanguard.......I think alot of people are intrigued by the principles that the game is proposing but the actual implementation of that is what will make or break this game......The beta leaks I have seen on youtube offer little hope for this game, especially when factoring in a rinky dink company as the maker........I think there is an actual game but it wouldnt shock me if its basically the same game they started several years ago...... I jsut have alot of doubts that this wont be much more than a 2002 game being presented in 2009.......

 

The youtube videos aren't current. They are from 2007. The current vid is on another site frequented by europeans.

Sorry but I think the convention video is on YT also and that was just a few months ago. And it did not shine a very good light on the game IMO.

Originally posted by xpiher

 
 

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Originally posted by Kyleran

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Originally posted by xpiher 

 
Man I'm sorry but you guys. The only difference between an Open Beta and a Closed Beta is an NDA not numbers. Most Open betas are limited. Not everyone and their grandmother can play it, but the people that do can talk about it, write reviews, post movies, etc. If the new people admited to the "limited trial" are bound by a strict NDA i.e. can't talk about the game, then its not an Open Beta. If they aren't bound by an NDA it is an Open beta.
 

 

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Well, I suppose you are free to make up your own definitions, but there are published sources that say you're wrong.
"Sometimes, beta tests are referred to as "open" or "closed". A closed beta test has a limited number of spots open for testing, while an open beta has either an unlimited number of spots (i.e. anyone who wants to can participate) or a very large number of spots in cases where opening it up to everyone is impractical."
webtrends.about.com/od/glossary/g/beta_define.htm

 

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That def is wrong and/or out dated. With the MMO market today it is impractical to have Open Beta be open to every single person that wants to try a game without some form of restriction. All the open betas that have happened in the past couple of years (post 2005) have had limited spots available. Some of them were limited to pre-orders others to numbers in the 1000s. The key difference between the closed beta and open beta has been the enforcement of an NDA. 
 

BTW, thats just a made up definition as well. Until Oxford dictionary or Webster makes it official. The process of being an "official" word is very long and highly scrutinized. On a side note Google was/is being added to the dictionary as both a noun and a verb.

 Ok well putting numbers aside can we at least agree that if the NDA is still up its not a Open Beta?

4 days to the 22nd the NDA is still up, and no word afaik from Aventurine that they are taking it down. I'd say if they were gonna take it down on the 22nd why not take it down now as a positive to offset their recent release news? I'm willing to wait and see though. (though I do kinda hope Downtoearth will chime in with information from his friend.) 

Originally posted by xpiher

 

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Originally posted by Kyleran

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Originally posted by xpiher

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Originally posted by winter

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Originally posted by xpiher

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Originally posted by winter

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Originally posted by downtoearth
 
LOL ok youw ant ot bet on that number 2 any ammount of money esspiccly when i have a friend in beta that isnt very smart to bet against me

 

 

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 This would be the same friend that told you Darkfall would release on the 22nd?
 if you made a bet on every DF prediction you made here over the last few months you would be broke.

 

 

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actually his friend told him that DF open beta would start on the 22nd.

 

 

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 Ok but since there will be no open beta on the 22nd either its still pretty much the same. All hail the limited trial very possibly with the NDA in effect as Aventurine has not announced anywhere of dropping it.

 

 

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Man I'm sorry but you guys. The only difference between an Open Beta and a Closed Beta is an NDA not numbers. Most Open betas are limited. Not everyone and their grandmother can play it, but the people that do can talk about it, write reviews, post movies, etc. If the new people admited to the "limited trial" are bound by a strict NDA i.e. can't talk about the game, then its not an Open Beta. If they aren't bound by an NDA it is an Open beta.
 

 

 

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Well, I suppose you are free to make up your own definitions, but there are published sources that say you're wrong.
"Sometimes, beta tests are referred to as "open" or "closed". A closed beta test has a limited number of spots open for testing, while an open beta has either an unlimited number of spots (i.e. anyone who wants to can participate) or a very large number of spots in cases where opening it up to everyone is impractical."
webtrends.about.com/od/glossary/g/beta_define.htm

 

 

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That def is wrong and/or out dated. With the MMO market today it is impractical to have Open Beta be open to every single person that wants to try a game without some form of restriction. All the open betas that have happened in the past couple of years (post 2005) have had limited spots available. Some of them were limited to pre-orders others to numbers in the 1000s. The key difference between the closed beta and open beta has been the enforcement of an NDA. 
 

BTW, thats just a made up definition as well. Until Oxford dictionary or Webster makes it official. The process of being an "official" word is very long and highly scrutinized. On a side note Google was/is being added to the dictionary as both a noun and a verb.

^steaming pile of BS

OB's are for stress testing servers and nothing more. So in order to stress a server you must have it full of people.  What they are saying with there limited trial is that they only have one working server so there will be a limit of how many people will get in.  Show me a game that had an OB with NDA inforced........none.

You sir have no shame.

A closed or open Beta is not defined by an NDA.  All you need to do is find one game that did not bother with an NDA for a good portion of their closed beta at least.  A really popular one comes to mind.

And a dictionary does not determine what is a real word or not.  They just recognize words that have become a significant or meaningfull part of the language.

Case in point:  Google.  They didn't make it up, just recognized it's use.

Venge Sunsoar

Originally posted by VengeSunsoar

A closed or open Beta is not defined by an NDA.  All you need to do is find one game that did not bother with an NDA for a good portion of their closed beta at least.  A really popular one comes to mind.

And a dictionary does not determine what is a real word or not.  They just recognize words that have become a significant or meaningfull part of the language.

Case in point:  Google.  They didn't make it up, just recognized it's use.

Venge Sunsoar

  So are you saying there is no difference between a closed and a open beta? That a limited number of people testing a game under NDA which is most certainly a closed beta is in fact also a open beta? Sorry if I'm being clueless here and missing the point. Personally i feel there must be a difference between the 2 and since people are agrueing its not the numbers in the beta that only left me the NDA?

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Originally posted by stayontarget

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Originally posted by xpiher

 

 

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Originally posted by Kyleran

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Originally posted by xpiher

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Originally posted by winter

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Originally posted by xpiher

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Originally posted by winter

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Originally posted by downtoearth

LOL ok youw ant ot bet on that number 2 any ammount of money esspiccly when i have a friend in beta that isnt very smart to bet against me

 

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This would be the same friend that told you Darkfall would release on the 22nd?
if you made a bet on every DF prediction you made here over the last few months you would be broke.

 

 

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actually his friend told him that DF open beta would start on the 22nd.

 

 

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Ok but since there will be no open beta on the 22nd either its still pretty much the same. All hail the limited trial very possibly with the NDA in effect as Aventurine has not announced anywhere of dropping it.

 

 

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Man I'm sorry but you guys. The only difference between an Open Beta and a Closed Beta is an NDA not numbers. Most Open betas are limited. Not everyone and their grandmother can play it, but the people that do can talk about it, write reviews, post movies, etc. If the new people admited to the "limited trial" are bound by a strict NDA i.e. can't talk about the game, then its not an Open Beta. If they aren't bound by an NDA it is an Open beta.

 

 

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Well, I suppose you are free to make up your own definitions, but there are published sources that say you're wrong.
"Sometimes, beta tests are referred to as "open" or "closed". A closed beta test has a limited number of spots open for testing, while an open beta has either an unlimited number of spots (i.e. anyone who wants to can participate) or a very large number of spots in cases where opening it up to everyone is impractical."
webtrends.about.com/od/glossary/g/beta_define.htm

 

 

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That def is wrong and/or out dated. With the MMO market today it is impractical to have Open Beta be open to every single person that wants to try a game without some form of restriction. All the open betas that have happened in the past couple of years (post 2005) have had limited spots available. Some of them were limited to pre-orders others to numbers in the 1000s. The key difference between the closed beta and open beta has been the enforcement of an NDA.

BTW, thats just a made up definition as well. Until Oxford dictionary or Webster makes it official. The process of being an "official" word is very long and highly scrutinized. On a side note Google was/is being added to the dictionary as both a noun and a verb.

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^steaming pile of BS
OB's are for stress testing servers and nothing more. So in order to stress a server you must have it full of people. What they are saying with there limited trial is that they only have one working server so there will be a limit of how many people will get in. Show me a game that had an OB with NDA inforced........none.
You sir have no shame.

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Man people on these boards have no reading comprehension. I said that if the people who participate in the limited trial are affected by an NDA then the limited trial isn't an Open beta. An open beta can have as many as tens of thousands of people participating like WAR did or as few as 1000s as most F2P MMOs do.

Tasos has said that they have hard capped their servers population at 10,000. Stress testing their servers capacity would mean that they only need a max of 10,000 people in the limited trial/open beta. They are probably going to have less than that. I would guess that they are going to have about 5k-8k people stress testing the server and really that's all they need to stress test a server with a cap of 10k people.

However, if the people who get in are bound by an NDA then its not an Open beta

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Originally posted by VengeSunsoar

 

A closed or open Beta is not defined by an NDA.  All you need to do is find one game that did not bother with an NDA for a good portion of their closed beta at least.  A really popular one comes to mind.
And a dictionary does not determine what is a real word or not.  They just recognize words that have become a significant or meaningfull part of the language.
Case in point:  Google.  They didn't make it up, just recognized it's use.
Venge Sunsoar

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I said that the definition is made up and probably outdated. Not the word.

I guess we will all find out in 4 days.....maybe.

Originally posted by winter

Originally posted by VengeSunsoar

A closed or open Beta is not defined by an NDA.  All you need to do is find one game that did not bother with an NDA for a good portion of their closed beta at least.  A really popular one comes to mind.

And a dictionary does not determine what is a real word or not.  They just recognize words that have become a significant or meaningfull part of the language.

Case in point:  Google.  They didn't make it up, just recognized it's use.

Venge Sunsoar

 

  So are you saying there is no difference between a closed and a open beta? That a limited number of people testing a game under NDA which is most certainly a closed beta is in fact also a open beta? Sorry if I'm being clueless here and missing the point. Personally i feel there must be a difference between the 2 and since people are agrueing its not the numbers in the beta that only left me the NDA?

I would appreciate it if you didn't twist my words to mean what you want them to mean.  I said an NDA does not define open or closed Beta.  I did not say nor imply that there is no difference between open and closed beta, only that an NDA does not make the difference.

Venge Sunsoar

Originally posted by usrbinperl1

A delay is always good news, because it means there will be a better game when it does release.

Maybe you will get lucky and they will delay it again. Have hope.

Originally posted by altairzq

Originally posted by usrbinperl1

A delay is always good news, because it means there will be a better game when it does release.

 

Maybe you will get lucky and they will delay it again. Have hope.

LOL!

Come on now everyone that was a pretty funny response. 

The point is that obviously delays going on indefinitely is NOT good news.  At some point in time it reaches the ridiculous stage  (i.e. Duke Nukem)

Now is DarkFall at the Duke Nukem stage yet?   Probably not yet.  If they add in a couple more delays though... I doubt we'll be seeing very many more:

"A delay is always good news..."