Originally posted by Sneakers05

Theres limited grouping, Most of the time theres no reason to group, all gear is craftable. It maybe have a good story but thats about it. It falls into the norm, how the hell did it win best game?

all gear is craftable is a negative?  how exactly is that the norm?  what's wrong with a good story?

i don't understand your basis for objecting, at all.

Originally posted by Daffid011

• Lotro is a good game in a sea of average/horrible games
• People are tired of Warcraft dominating everything
• Eve players somehow missed a year of voting here
• There really are not very many worthwhile games to vote for

 

 

was eve on the ballot?  i know i didn't vote because i'm tired of every year either ccp employee cheating, or completely assinine decisions (non-subbed training nerf [for those supporting that nerf... ever hear of rested XP that you get in other games?  that WAS eve's version of rested xp], GTCs, etc).

Originally posted by ghoul31

Originally posted by zspawn

 

At least you could say something about the most important features (questing/crafting/how the engine runs/community) than to pick MUSIC of all things...

 

And what's wrong with Lotro's gameplay anyway ? :)

 

The questing, crafting, graphics, are all better in WOW.

 

#1 Nonsense

#2 How can you admit that LOTRO has better lore yet WOW somehow has better questing? Questing minus lore =PUKE

Originally posted by MMORPDEATH

Originally posted by ghoul31

Originally posted by zspawn

 

At least you could say something about the most important features (questing/crafting/how the engine runs/community) than to pick MUSIC of all things...

 

And what's wrong with Lotro's gameplay anyway ? :)

 

The questing, crafting, graphics, are all better in WOW.

 

 

#1 Nonsense

 

#2 How can you admit that LOTRO has better lore yet WOW somehow has better questing? Questing minus lore =PUKE

Of course not. Questing is about whether you get to do interesting stuff, whether there are little fun scripts to spice things up. Lore/quest text is purely optional.

Originally posted by MMORPDEATH

Originally posted by ghoul31

 

The questing, crafting, graphics, are all better in WOW.

 

 

#1 Nonsense

 

#2 How can you admit that LOTRO has better lore yet WOW somehow has better questing? Questing minus lore =PUKE

I enjoyed the quests much more in WOW. In LOTRO is I would go to bob, and he would say go see Ted, And ted would say go back to BOB, and Bob would say , go back to Ted, After after about 4 times they eventualyy sent me out to kill some monsters.

Originally posted by ghoul31

Originally posted by zspawn

Even if I believe Lotro and WoW are both good games regarding the "No reason to play LOTRO over WOW"

 

I can give you several:

a) Lore - more consistent than "killing all major characters"

b) Looks better and runs better than WoW right now

c) PVE is better regarding immersion and not just a raidfest

d) Crafting is better -> Thus economy is better (no daily quests ain't exactly considered economy sorry)

e) I don't have to pay gold just to get a rank up of a spell - Every 2 levels in LOTRO you get something "NEW"

f) The community is better and in general its more helpful + mature (this applies to other MMOs as well)

g) It has a music system and an outfit system. Also has a lot of titles for a lot of things, ability to have a surname.

h) Not as strict cookie cutter party forming (WoW isnt THAT strict nowadays either but still I find Lotro more flexible on this)

 

I think I gave you enough reasons.

Regarding PvP , for some of us it just doesn't matter.  As it would be stupid to say there's no reason to play WoW over LOTRO cause it doesn't have a music system.   If you care about that it matters but not in general appeal...

 

most people care about gameplay, not lore. But if all u care about is lore and playing a musical instrument, yea LOTRO is better. Because everything in WOW is boring.

 

so, just one item at random -- crafting is better in wow?

otherwise, fixed.

Originally posted by nariusseldon

Originally posted by Theocritus

     LoTRO is a mediocre game at best....With it winning an award like this it speaks volumes as to where the genre is at now....It also shows that it is ripe for change and that change is badly needed  (and dont say Darkfall)........2008 was not a very good year for MMOs and its up to us to quit putting up with games like AoC and WAR and demanding better games......It seems the interest is there as far as customers go (over a million beta apps in both AoC and WAR) but the companies are not deliviring...... LoTRO has some unique things but overall did not do enough to seperate itself from WoW.......It feels too much like WOW in the gameplay and the feel of the game.

 

Let's see ... LOTRO is the closest to WO in gameplay & feel, and not only it is the GOTY, it is a pretty good commercial success (although no where close to WOW).

Other games like Tabula Rasa, AOC & WAR flopped.

Who says WOW clones cannot be successful? It looks like the best thing next to wow is a wow clone (LOTRO).

All these other games fail because they are not WOW enough .. particularly in the solo-friendly polish dept.

So does that means that developers should do MORE wow clones than less?

well, the western mmo with the second largest amount of subs is eve.  so um, no.  less wow clones would be the way to go.

plus, wow continues to just copy off other games (what do you expect from kaplan and pardo though, really?   ... and wow became so large because of a 10 year fanbase on blizznet (starcraft, diablo2, warcraft).  heck folks were playing the original diablo online for quite a while before UO was released.

blizzard north no longer exists.  this explains the lack of innovation and coolness with "blizzard" products for quite some time now. 

never thought that LOTR will win the MMORPG survey. i have doubts abou LOTR winning it.

So let me get this straight..

People are crying that LOTRO won best game saying it's simply a WOW clone. So did these same people decry EQ1's loosing best game to WOW since it's essentially an EQ1 clone?

Of course not...so why cry now...seriously what's all the fuss about? Now It's LOTRO's time to shine so be grown up about it at least..

Originally posted by damian7

Originally posted by nariusseldon

Originally posted by Theocritus

     LoTRO is a mediocre game at best....With it winning an award like this it speaks volumes as to where the genre is at now....It also shows that it is ripe for change and that change is badly needed  (and dont say Darkfall)........2008 was not a very good year for MMOs and its up to us to quit putting up with games like AoC and WAR and demanding better games......It seems the interest is there as far as customers go (over a million beta apps in both AoC and WAR) but the companies are not deliviring...... LoTRO has some unique things but overall did not do enough to seperate itself from WoW.......It feels too much like WOW in the gameplay and the feel of the game.

 

Let's see ... LOTRO is the closest to WO in gameplay & feel, and not only it is the GOTY, it is a pretty good commercial success (although no where close to WOW).

Other games like Tabula Rasa, AOC & WAR flopped.

Who says WOW clones cannot be successful? It looks like the best thing next to wow is a wow clone (LOTRO).

All these other games fail because they are not WOW enough .. particularly in the solo-friendly polish dept.

So does that means that developers should do MORE wow clones than less?

 

 

well, the western mmo with the second largest amount of subs is eve.  so um, no.  less wow clones would be the way to go.

plus, wow continues to just copy off other games (what do you expect from kaplan and pardo though, really?   ... and wow became so large because of a 10 year fanbase on blizznet (starcraft, diablo2, warcraft).  heck folks were playing the original diablo online for quite a while before UO was released.

blizzard north no longer exists.  this explains the lack of innovation and coolness with "blizzard" products for quite some time now. 

Any actual proof to back up the statement that EvE is the second largest Western MMO? 

I am still somewhat surprised that not even 0.005 % of WoWs followers where able to hit the right button in this poll. Maybe not all of it's gamers do think it is the best game on the market?

Or maybe..just maybe...Turbine' s employers made up thousands of thousand fake accounts to push their game on this webside, that is so uninteresting and full of shit to people like zorndorf , that you have to wonder what attracts them / him to mmorpg.com.

Well, or -if we follow the logical thoughts presented within this thread- the 11 million people playing WoW is a biiiig fake made up by Blizzard. Think about it! Out of the supposed 11000000 weren't even 600 people that were able to press the right button in this poll!

So great and wise ZORNDORF, he who says that every poll that has not the result he likes must be screwed and the result bought, he who brings anger and rage with him, he who knows da best what games other people have to like:

  EXPLAIN THIS TO US STUPID UNWORTHY PEOPLE, playing lotro, playing WoW, playing any game WE like without having problems that other people may have another taste in gaming!

<p>It always confuses me when people say that Lotro has nothing to offer. With Lotro you get a loud, loud bang for your buck. Turbine is a great company that turns out really great content that is POLISHED and they actually care about the customer. You can compare Lotro to WoW, certainly, but it does many things better than WoW, in my humble opinion. The presentation of story in Lotro is (I think) the best in any current MMO and I for one like the group mechanics.</p>
<p> </p>
<p>The community in Lotro is mature, helpful, and just plain not ridiculous. People are willing to help, there's lots of roleplaying going on, it's overall just a very social community. </p>
<p> </p>
<p>To be honest I don't know how MMORPG.COM could pick any game OTHER than Lotro for best game this year. </p>

Kinda Funny that the orginal poster never posted back kinda sums up that his thread argument was stupid

Lest we forget, and unless I am misinformed (it's been known to happen):

LotRO is the first P2P MMO released post-WOW to actually successfully release a boxed, paid expansion (even though distribution in EU left alot to be desired, but that's another story), and this after maintaining a healthy and large enough playerbase in both the US and EU-regions during it's first critical 1,5 years,  the time when so many people were "leaving" and the game was "dying" :)

Originally posted by Ordero

Lest we forget, and unless I am misinformed (it's been known to happen):

LotRO is the first P2P MMO released post-WOW to actually successfully release a boxed, paid expansion (even though distribution in EU left alot to be desired, but that's another story), and this after maintaining a healthy and large enough playerbase in both the US and EU-regions during it's first critical 1,5 years,  the time when so many people were "leaving" and the game was "dying" :)

No offense mate, but if you mean successful in reference to actually putting the boxes on the shelves you are correct. Otherwise, the expansion saw terrible sales... just check the NPD charts, didn't even make the TOP 50. Hell, EQ2's expansion even made it.

Originally posted by logicbox9

Originally posted by Ordero

Lest we forget, and unless I am misinformed (it's been known to happen):

LotRO is the first P2P MMO released post-WOW to actually successfully release a boxed, paid expansion (even though distribution in EU left alot to be desired, but that's another story), and this after maintaining a healthy and large enough playerbase in both the US and EU-regions during it's first critical 1,5 years,  the time when so many people were "leaving" and the game was "dying" :)

 

No offense mate, but if you mean successful in reference to actually putting the boxes on the shelves you are correct. Otherwise, the expansion saw terrible sales... just check the NPD charts, didn't even make the TOP 50. Hell, EQ2's expansion even made it.

Who physically buys boxed expansions anymore? Why bother driving to a store when there's a "CLICK HERE TO UPGRADE TO MINES OF MORIA" button?

Heck, LoTRO did something cool and we could pre-download the Expansion for weeks before the launch date. On the release day, all we had to do was put in the code and we were in the newly expanded world in a few seconds.

I suppose people without credit or debit cards would have to drive to the store in the dead of Winter and pay cash for the game. But, the rest of us adults never would LOL!

Originally posted by silkakc

I suppose people without credit or debit cards would have to drive to the store in the dead of Winter and pay cash for the game. But, the rest of us adults never would LOL!

oooooh...you have a credit/debit card, yes indeed, you are certainly an adult, no doubt about it.

Originally posted by fjallgarth

I am still somewhat surprised that not even 0.005 % of WoWs followers where able to hit the right button in this poll. Maybe not all of it's gamers do think it is the best game on the market?

Or maybe..just maybe...Turbine' s employers made up thousands of thousand fake accounts to push their game on this webside, that is so uninteresting and full of shit to people like zorndorf , that you have to wonder what attracts them / him to mmorpg.com.

Well, or -if we follow the logical thoughts presented within this thread- the 11 million people playing WoW is a biiiig fake made up by Blizzard. Think about it! Out of the supposed 11000000 weren't even 600 people that were able to press the right button in this poll!

So great and wise ZORNDORF, he who says that every poll that has not the result he likes must be screwed and the result bought, he who brings anger and rage with him, he who knows da best what games other people have to like:

  EXPLAIN THIS TO US STUPID UNWORTHY PEOPLE, playing lotro, playing WoW, playing any game WE like without having problems that other people may have another taste in gaming!

 

 

 

 

This site is geared towards people looking for a new mmo.  This site doesn't really attract people that are happy with what they have.  We are all looking for something new deep down.

That being said, this sites polls and rating read more like which game has more players here that are looking to leave their current game than it does anything else.  You are not going to see tons of satisfied players lurking around here when there are so many other sites to read and post on. 

Overall the polls and ratings here are mainly voted on by people that are burned out of one game or another and looking for a game that doesn't exist yet.   Just look at the player ratings here for an example of what I mean.  Tabula Rasa for example is rated 8.12 (higher than wow) and it is closing its doors in a few days.  Think about it.

Originally posted by logicbox9

Originally posted by Ordero

Lest we forget, and unless I am misinformed (it's been known to happen):

LotRO is the first P2P MMO released post-WOW to actually successfully release a boxed, paid expansion (even though distribution in EU left alot to be desired, but that's another story), and this after maintaining a healthy and large enough playerbase in both the US and EU-regions during it's first critical 1,5 years,  the time when so many people were "leaving" and the game was "dying" :)

 

No offense mate, but if you mean successful in reference to actually putting the boxes on the shelves you are correct. Otherwise, the expansion saw terrible sales... just check the NPD charts, didn't even make the TOP 50. Hell, EQ2's expansion even made it.

A very large percentage of the individuals that bought Mines of Moria did so via Digital Download weeks before release.  There was every incentive to do so except for those that wanted the Collector's Edition.  Most people I know did not bother with the Complete Edition (box sales) since purchasing the Digital copy was both cheaper and more convenient (expansion installed and ready well before release).

Face it, for PC Games box sales are growing less and less relevant.  Game Stops in my area barely even have a section dedicated to PC Games.  And Steam is providing more and more games to their catalog as well as other digital download sites.  Until NPD starts tracking digital copies more efficiently PC games will seem unrepresented.  However these companies continue to make money and more are adopting digital sales so someone must have caught on that this business model is working.

Originally posted by Pathis

Originally posted by logicbox9

Originally posted by Ordero

Lest we forget, and unless I am misinformed (it's been known to happen):

LotRO is the first P2P MMO released post-WOW to actually successfully release a boxed, paid expansion (even though distribution in EU left alot to be desired, but that's another story), and this after maintaining a healthy and large enough playerbase in both the US and EU-regions during it's first critical 1,5 years,  the time when so many people were "leaving" and the game was "dying" :)

 

No offense mate, but if you mean successful in reference to actually putting the boxes on the shelves you are correct. Otherwise, the expansion saw terrible sales... just check the NPD charts, didn't even make the TOP 50. Hell, EQ2's expansion even made it.

A very large percentage of the individuals that bought Mines of Moria did so via Digital Download weeks before release.  There was every incentive to do so except for those that wanted the Collector's Edition.  Most people I know did not bother with the Complete Edition (box sales) since purchasing the Digital copy was both cheaper and more convenient (expansion installed and ready well before release).

Face it, for PC Games box sales are growing less and less relevant.  Game Stops in my area barely even have a section dedicated to PC Games.  And Steam is providing more and more games to their catalog as well as other digital download sites.  Until NPD starts tracking digital copies more efficiently PC games will seem unrepresented.  However these companies continue to make money and more are adopting digital sales so someone must have caught on that this business model is working.

Also digital download is like what? Almost 100% if not 100% profit for the game manufacturer? More and more companies will go with digital downloads in order to easily increase profit margins.