i have to admit i am curious as too why the 'non of the above' option is only present in the poll that didn't involve LOTRO?

as the voting for wow, wow, wow, wow or eve didn't really involve me much

Originally posted by silkakc

Zorn,

It really isn't dumb ( I won't use your R word ) to compare WoW to McDonalds. And it really isn't an insult either if you look at it from a marketing stand point.

WoW and McD's were made to be enjoyed by the "masses". Almost anyone can afford McD's food and almost anyone can play WoW on their computers with it's gentle PC requirements. I would guess that 90% of America could play WoW -because most ppl have a PC bought in the last 7 years. And 90% of America can afford to eat at McDonald's also.

But look at all the other games on that list and think of all the people in your family and in your neighborhood. Maybe 5% or 10% of those people have machines even CAPABLE of meeting the sys requirements for LoTRO and AoC and War and VG. And less than 5%of the people  have machines that can play those games without hellish lag LOL!

WoW is like McDonalds because it's available to 90% of the people. Doesn't mean it's yucky like McD's food- just that it's DO-ABLE by the masses. It's a good thing. MMO's should be able to be enjoyed by the masses and Blizzard opened the door for them.

God, I hate how every good thread about any game gets derailed into a WoW thread LOL!

Anyways, Congrats to Turbine! Very much deserved win!  Excellent game and grats on winning "Game of the Year" last year on many sites and Game of the Year on this site!!!

 

Sorry but LOTR tried to be McDonald's.  Newbie friendly, no big death penalties, no exp loss, no hell levels, lots of solo content, low challenge, optional PVP, cut and paste version of WoW's UI, moderate system requirements...they used the same formula and failed to achieve the same results.  

Originally posted by Chieftan

Originally posted by silkakc

Zorn,

It really isn't dumb ( I won't use your R word ) to compare WoW to McDonalds. And it really isn't an insult either if you look at it from a marketing stand point.

WoW and McD's were made to be enjoyed by the "masses". Almost anyone can afford McD's food and almost anyone can play WoW on their computers with it's gentle PC requirements. I would guess that 90% of America could play WoW -because most ppl have a PC bought in the last 7 years. And 90% of America can afford to eat at McDonald's also.

But look at all the other games on that list and think of all the people in your family and in your neighborhood. Maybe 5% or 10% of those people have machines even CAPABLE of meeting the sys requirements for LoTRO and AoC and War and VG. And less than 5%of the people  have machines that can play those games without hellish lag LOL!

WoW is like McDonalds because it's available to 90% of the people. Doesn't mean it's yucky like McD's food- just that it's DO-ABLE by the masses. It's a good thing. MMO's should be able to be enjoyed by the masses and Blizzard opened the door for them.

God, I hate how every good thread about any game gets derailed into a WoW thread LOL!

Anyways, Congrats to Turbine! Very much deserved win!  Excellent game and grats on winning "Game of the Year" last year on many sites and Game of the Year on this site!!!

 

 

Sorry but LOTR tried to be McDonald's.  Newbie friendly, no big death penalties, no exp loss, no hell levels, lots of solo content, low challenge, optional PVP, cut and paste version of WoW's UI, moderate system requirements...they used the same formula and failed to achieve the same results.  

 

sorry, who's WoW's UI borrowed from?

Originally posted by grimmbot

You guys arguing about this site's credibility are so silly. "Waaah, only 5300 or so people voted, that doesn't mean anything!"

Well, duh. It's an internet poll, not a scientific phone survey. Did you expect something different?

WoW shouldn't have won. Not a chance. They're getting more flak from their core base than LOTRO is from theirs, and that flak has gotten worse since Lich King's release. WoW is alienating their core by trying to make the game more casual-friendly, and the only reason Blizzard hasn't suffered a subscriber loss is because of the Everquest effect.

The EQ Effect: "I can't quit the game; I've put too much time into it!" People are dissatisfied, but they play because they're scared to death of losing their fake accomplishments in fake pixels and their fake friends they made in their guilds.

EVE has been solid, LOTRO has been solid, and Mythic managed to release WAR in a better state than most MMOs.

Like it or not, Turbine deserves some recognition for what they've done with the game -- despite several major releases this year, they're doing very well.

The core base of WoW is not the hard core raider types.  Its the casuals.  Only around 15% of WoW players made it to Black Temple, the "end raid" pre-WOTLK, and only around 5% were raiding the Sunwell, the "new end raid" put in a few months before the expac released.  I'd hardly call 5% or even 15% of a games players as its core.  Also, mostly everyone I know loves the new expansion, with a few exceptions, mostly related to pvp.  The only ones bitching about the pve side are the 5%/15% who have already blown through the initial raids and seem to have looted a huge sense of entitlement from one of the bosses.

LOTRO is a good game.  I didn't care for it, but I can see why people like it.  Turbine deserves praise for what they've done.  My point was this site is not representative at all of the general mmo player base and therefore the poll, while nice for LOTRO and its players, is meaningless.  Many people here seem to not know that and attach some sort of significance to their game "winning" the poll.  The internet nerd ragers that seem to live at sites like this hate WoW and would blame it for world hunger and war in the middle east if they could.

Originally posted by Ginaz

Originally posted by grimmbot

You guys arguing about this site's credibility are so silly. "Waaah, only 5300 or so people voted, that doesn't mean anything!"

Well, duh. It's an internet poll, not a scientific phone survey. Did you expect something different?

WoW shouldn't have won. Not a chance. They're getting more flak from their core base than LOTRO is from theirs, and that flak has gotten worse since Lich King's release. WoW is alienating their core by trying to make the game more casual-friendly, and the only reason Blizzard hasn't suffered a subscriber loss is because of the Everquest effect.

The EQ Effect: "I can't quit the game; I've put too much time into it!" People are dissatisfied, but they play because they're scared to death of losing their fake accomplishments in fake pixels and their fake friends they made in their guilds.

EVE has been solid, LOTRO has been solid, and Mythic managed to release WAR in a better state than most MMOs.

Like it or not, Turbine deserves some recognition for what they've done with the game -- despite several major releases this year, they're doing very well.

The core base of WoW is not the hard core raider types.  Its the casuals.  Only around 15% of WoW players made it to Black Temple, the "end raid" pre-WOTLK, and only around 5% were raiding the Sunwell, the "new end raid" put in a few months before the expac released.  I'd hardly call 5% or even 15% of a games players as its core.  Also, mostly everyone I know loves the new expansion, with a few exceptions, mostly related to pvp.  The only ones bitching about the pve side are the 5%/15% who have already blown through the initial raids and seem to have looted a huge sense of entitlement from one of the bosses.

LOTRO is a good game.  I didn't care for it, but I can see why people like it.  Turbine deserves praise for what they've done.  My point was this site is not representative at all of the general mmo player base and therefore the poll, while nice for LOTRO and its players, is meaningless.  Many people here seem to not know that and attach some sort of significance to their game "winning" the poll.  The internet nerd ragers that seem to live at sites like this hate WoW and would blame it for world hunger and war in the middle east if they could.

  Personally, I tried LotRO and didn't care for it.  The characters all look like they are either taking a dump or holding one in when they run. 

However, your argument fails on one point.  Yes, people who post here are not the average player.  They take more interest in the different aspects of what makes an MMO, and the different things that make a good MMO.  I would argue that, in fact, a poll on here might be stronger for that. 

Most of us here have tried and played 5...6...8 or more MMOs, from EVE to WoW.  The fact that a poll of experienced players says LotRO is the game of the year, says a lot for the game. It says a lot of players, critical of every MMO that comes out, said LotRO did the best job of combining the different aspects of gameplay to make an enjoyable MMO.  Now, if this group of trolls, QQers and fanbois(and I am one) says that, I'd think the average player would enjoy that game. 

Let's not forget, also, that the polls were close; close enough that a few days could have made a different outcome.  Look at what the poll really shows.  We are a community that likes choice, and we go through so much crap that, when we find what we like, we let everyone know it!

Originally posted by haggus71

Originally posted by Ginaz

Originally posted by grimmbot

You guys arguing about this site's credibility are so silly. "Waaah, only 5300 or so people voted, that doesn't mean anything!"

Well, duh. It's an internet poll, not a scientific phone survey. Did you expect something different?

WoW shouldn't have won. Not a chance. They're getting more flak from their core base than LOTRO is from theirs, and that flak has gotten worse since Lich King's release. WoW is alienating their core by trying to make the game more casual-friendly, and the only reason Blizzard hasn't suffered a subscriber loss is because of the Everquest effect.

The EQ Effect: "I can't quit the game; I've put too much time into it!" People are dissatisfied, but they play because they're scared to death of losing their fake accomplishments in fake pixels and their fake friends they made in their guilds.

EVE has been solid, LOTRO has been solid, and Mythic managed to release WAR in a better state than most MMOs.

Like it or not, Turbine deserves some recognition for what they've done with the game -- despite several major releases this year, they're doing very well.

The core base of WoW is not the hard core raider types.  Its the casuals.  Only around 15% of WoW players made it to Black Temple, the "end raid" pre-WOTLK, and only around 5% were raiding the Sunwell, the "new end raid" put in a few months before the expac released.  I'd hardly call 5% or even 15% of a games players as its core.  Also, mostly everyone I know loves the new expansion, with a few exceptions, mostly related to pvp.  The only ones bitching about the pve side are the 5%/15% who have already blown through the initial raids and seem to have looted a huge sense of entitlement from one of the bosses.

LOTRO is a good game.  I didn't care for it, but I can see why people like it.  Turbine deserves praise for what they've done.  My point was this site is not representative at all of the general mmo player base and therefore the poll, while nice for LOTRO and its players, is meaningless.  Many people here seem to not know that and attach some sort of significance to their game "winning" the poll.  The internet nerd ragers that seem to live at sites like this hate WoW and would blame it for world hunger and war in the middle east if they could.

  Personally, I tried LotRO and didn't care for it.  The characters all look like they are either taking a dump or holding one in when they run. 

However, your argument fails on one point.  Yes, people who post here are not the average player.  They take more interest in the different aspects of what makes an MMO, and the different things that make a good MMO.  I would argue that, in fact, a poll on here might be stronger for that. 

Most of us here have tried and played 5...6...8 or more MMOs, from EVE to WoW.  The fact that a poll of experienced players says LotRO is the game of the year, says a lot for the game. It says a lot of players, critical of every MMO that comes out, said LotRO did the best job of combining the different aspects of gameplay to make an enjoyable MMO.  Now, if this group of trolls, QQers and fanbois(and I am one) says that, I'd think the average player would enjoy that game. 

Let's not forget, also, that the polls were close; close enough that a few days could have made a different outcome.  Look at what the poll really shows.  We are a community that likes choice, and we go through so much crap that, when we find what we like, we let everyone know it!

Don't make the mistake of thinking that people who don't post on sites like this aren't experienced gamers.  I know of people who have played online games since the beginning with games like Meridian 59.  What I mean by people here aren't the average gamer is that we take things way too seriously at times and often extreme in our views.  Just because someone blows their top and spews their nerd rage all over the place, it doesn't make them any more knowledgeable or experienced.  A true scientific poll tries to get a cross section of the population.  MMORPG.com and sites like it are not an accurate cross section of people who play mmo's.

When I saw who won, I was just kind of "Meh, whatever".  To me it was just another meaningless online poll.  Then I read some of comments.  Some people took it as signal to vomit out some more WoW hatred, which is all too common here.

As someone who doesn't hate WoW or Blizzard (seriously, played WoW for 9+months, dragged in because of friends playing - game is fine and fun, I just dislike the look and "feel" of it); A LOT of the WoW-hate is really well deserved blow back against moronic WoW fanbois.

WoW is perfectly fine game, Blizzard did a fine job with it initially and continues to do more than "okay" supporting it...but WoW and Blizzard didn't invent the wheel here...WoW is a very refined and polished knock off of all the MMOs before it/contemporary to it combined with a phenomenally huge marketing budget and a pre-established massive market/fanbase from the Warcraft games.

Take away the massive funding and Warcraft tie-in and WoW would have been just another "meh" MMO (as in, perfectly successful and chugging along with the same sort of numbers as the others)...Blizzard didn't screw up, but the million+ players didn't flock to it because of some astounding game design or innovation.

Turbine/LotRO tried for a similar effect, no point in denying it - but they a) never had the money/marketing behind them and b) blew the timing totally by launching well after the movies had peaked

Wow impressive!

Even if the number of votes isn't huge, I would have bet on WotLK.

How come, what were all the wow fanbois doing?

Gz Turbine,well done.Lotro is best :)

Originally posted by ericbelser

Turbine/LotRO tried for a similar effect, no point in denying it - but they a) never had the money/marketing behind them and b) blew the timing totally by launching well after the movies had peaked

well, there is going to be made a movie based on "The Hobbit" so nothing is lost yet :D

and tbh all of my friends in LOTRO and other fans are speculating that it would be a REALLY wise move for Turbine to release new areas like Mirkwood Forest, Dale and Lonely Mountain when the movie is released.

I have already collected all of Bilbo's buttons in GT (Goblin Town). honestly. :D

i LOVE LOTRO.

and i was completely addicted to it (now i play less, because i have my studies! ). it is my first MMORPG , so you may say that i'm not experienced. but i've seen (and tried a little) WoW and AoC. and i really don't like it. it's just not my cup of tea as many of you said before.

in WoW the thing that scares me most are these kids running around crazy and asking stupid questions. also, i detest graphics. hate it.

in AoC i hated how the female character is presented.

yes, i'm a girl and to me it was... well... humiliating. i didn't even want to create one... i know that most (or let;s face it 99,9%) of games are aimed at men population, but girls like to play games too!

some guy from my kinship asked me once how can he persuade his girlfriend to play LOTRO with him. i said to tell her that she can have here as many pairs of shoes as she wants!

and this is what makes this game amazing for me:

1. storyline - i love Tolkien books

2. people who make this game - my kinship RoCkS! 

3. devs who REALLY care - who listen and put ideas and suggestions into practice

4. fantastic graphics

5. many, many more.

honestly, you can try it and then formulate your opinion.

thanks for reading :o)

Originally posted by Eressiel

Originally posted by ericbelser

Turbine/LotRO tried for a similar effect, no point in denying it - but they a) never had the money/marketing behind them and b) blew the timing totally by launching well after the movies had peaked

 

well, there is going to be made a movie based on "The Hobbit" so nothing is lost yet :D

and tbh all of my friends in LOTRO and other fans are speculating that it would be a REALLY wise move for Turbine to release new areas like Mirkwood Forest, Dale and Lonely Mountain when the movie is released.

I have already collected all of Bilbo's buttons in GT (Goblin Town). honestly. :D

 

i LOVE LOTRO.

and i was completely addicted to it (now i play less, because i have my studies! ). it is my first MMORPG , so you may say that i'm not experienced. but i've seen (and tried a little) WoW and AoC. and i really don't like it. it's just not my cup of tea as many of you said before.

in WoW the thing that scares me most are these kids running around crazy and asking stupid questions. also, i detest graphics. hate it.

in AoC i hated how the female character is presented.

yes, i'm a girl and to me it was... well... humiliating. i didn't even want to create one... i know that most (or let;s face it 99,9%) of games are aimed at men population, but girls like to play games too!

some guy from my kinship asked me once how can he persuade his girlfriend to play LOTRO with him. i said to tell her that she can have here as many pairs of shoes as she wants!

and this is what makes this game amazing for me:

1. storyline - i love Tolkien books

2. people who make this game - my kinship RoCkS! 

3. devs who REALLY care - who listen and put ideas and suggestions into practice

4. fantastic graphics

5. many, many more.

 

honestly, you can try it and then formulate your opinion.

thanks for reading :o)

well said

Imo thats the worst mmo of the year, i try out the trail and after less then 10 min i uninstalled it, it gets a -10 out of 10

Originally posted by Boudewijns

Imo thats the worst mmo of the year, i try out the trail and after less then 10 min i uninstalled it, it gets a -10 out of 10

I am gonna call BS on this. If you had even tried it (which I don't believe). You cannot do anything hardly at all in 10 minutes.  If your gonna lie make it more convincing.

Originally posted by khartman2005

Originally posted by Boudewijns

Imo thats the worst mmo of the year, i try out the trail and after less then 10 min i uninstalled it, it gets a -10 out of 10

 

I am gonna call BS on this. If you had even tried it (which I don't believe). You cannot do anything hardly at all in 10 minutes.  If your gonna lie make it more convincing.

i dont care what u think, i did play the trail game and i admit it was afigure of speech bout the 10 min and i say i still is a piece of BLEEP then i like wow better even if ur maxed out on lvl and have nothing todo then farming or pvp witch i hate btw, graphical wise the game isnt bad i admit it but the rest its ... well u know what i mean

Originally posted by Eressiel

Originally posted by ericbelser

Turbine/LotRO tried for a similar effect, no point in denying it - but they a) never had the money/marketing behind them and b) blew the timing totally by launching well after the movies had peaked

 

well, there is going to be made a movie based on "The Hobbit" so nothing is lost yet :D

and tbh all of my friends in LOTRO and other fans are speculating that it would be a REALLY wise move for Turbine to release new areas like Mirkwood Forest, Dale and Lonely Mountain when the movie is released.

I have already collected all of Bilbo's buttons in GT (Goblin Town). honestly. :D

 

i LOVE LOTRO.

and i was completely addicted to it (now i play less, because i have my studies! ). it is my first MMORPG , so you may say that i'm not experienced. but i've seen (and tried a little) WoW and AoC. and i really don't like it. it's just not my cup of tea as many of you said before.

in WoW the thing that scares me most are these kids running around crazy and asking stupid questions. also, i detest graphics. hate it.

in AoC i hated how the female character is presented.

yes, i'm a girl and to me it was... well... humiliating. i didn't even want to create one... i know that most (or let;s face it 99,9%) of games are aimed at men population, but girls like to play games too!

some guy from my kinship asked me once how can he persuade his girlfriend to play LOTRO with him. i said to tell her that she can have here as many pairs of shoes as she wants!

and this is what makes this game amazing for me:

1. storyline - i love Tolkien books

2. people who make this game - my kinship RoCkS! 

3. devs who REALLY care - who listen and put ideas and suggestions into practice

4. fantastic graphics

5. many, many more.

 

honestly, you can try it and then formulate your opinion.

thanks for reading :o)

this post made me smile. My 23 year old daughter who HATES computer games just started LoTRO. She has a mid 20's hobbit guardian who thinks she is a badass, note that DAd crafts all her gear. Anyway  she loves it but I she is already considering a elf RK cause she thinks elves look hot LOL .

Her fiancee is in the USAF and is currently deployed and also is a newcomer to the game so they use it as a graphical chat room when he is logged in. Lets hear it for LoTROs ingame voice chat

Originally posted by Jackdog

Originally posted by Eressiel

Originally posted by ericbelser

 

well, there is going to be made a movie based on "The Hobbit" so nothing is lost yet :D

and tbh all of my friends in LOTRO and other fans are speculating that it would be a REALLY wise move for Turbine to release new areas like Mirkwood Forest, Dale and Lonely Mountain when the movie is released.

I have already collected all of Bilbo's buttons in GT (Goblin Town). honestly. :D

 

i LOVE LOTRO.

and i was completely addicted to it (now i play less, because i have my studies! ). it is my first MMORPG , so you may say that i'm not experienced. but i've seen (and tried a little) WoW and AoC. and i really don't like it. it's just not my cup of tea as many of you said before.

in WoW the thing that scares me most are these kids running around crazy and asking stupid questions. also, i detest graphics. hate it.

in AoC i hated how the female character is presented.

yes, i'm a girl and to me it was... well... humiliating. i didn't even want to create one... i know that most (or let;s face it 99,9%) of games are aimed at men population, but girls like to play games too!

some guy from my kinship asked me once how can he persuade his girlfriend to play LOTRO with him. i said to tell her that she can have here as many pairs of shoes as she wants!

and this is what makes this game amazing for me:

1. storyline - i love Tolkien books

2. people who make this game - my kinship RoCkS! 

3. devs who REALLY care - who listen and put ideas and suggestions into practice

4. fantastic graphics

5. many, many more.

 

honestly, you can try it and then formulate your opinion.

thanks for reading :o)

this post made me smile. My 23 year old daughter who HATES computer games just started LoTRO. She has a mid 20's hobbit guardian who thinks she is a badass, note that DAd crafts all her gear , and loves it.

Her fiancee is in the USAF and is currently deployed so she uses it as a graphical chat room when he is logged in. Lets hear it for LoTROs ingame voice chat

Ah cool...  A neat and different use for MMO's

Great post Jackdog, thanks for sharing...

Originally posted by Electriceye

Wow impressive!

Even if the number of votes isn't huge, I would have bet on WotLK.

How come, what were all the wow fanbois doing?

WoW fanboys was prolly buzy playing WoW, and the Lotr fanboys is so bored of the game they stay on this forum and vote as much as they can. And are trying to keep security on any "bad" posts related to Lotr.

Originally posted by patrikd23

 

WoW fanboys was prolly buzy playing WoW, and the Lotr fanboys is so bored of the game they stay on this forum and vote as much as they can. And are trying to keep security on any "bad" posts related to Lotr.

Lol bitter much?

Originally posted by HYPERI0N

Originally posted by patrikd23

 

WoW fanboys was prolly buzy playing WoW, and the Lotr fanboys is so bored of the game they stay on this forum and vote as much as they can. And are trying to keep security on any "bad" posts related to Lotr.

Lol bitter much?

Nope acually not, but numbers speak for themselfs not fanboys votes in this case.

Originally posted by EbonHawk

Originally posted by Jackdog

Originally posted by Eressiel

Originally posted by ericbelser

 

well, there is going to be made a movie based on "The Hobbit" so nothing is lost yet :D

and tbh all of my friends in LOTRO and other fans are speculating that it would be a REALLY wise move for Turbine to release new areas like Mirkwood Forest, Dale and Lonely Mountain when the movie is released.

I have already collected all of Bilbo's buttons in GT (Goblin Town). honestly. :D

 

i LOVE LOTRO.

and i was completely addicted to it (now i play less, because i have my studies! ). it is my first MMORPG , so you may say that i'm not experienced. but i've seen (and tried a little) WoW and AoC. and i really don't like it. it's just not my cup of tea as many of you said before.

in WoW the thing that scares me most are these kids running around crazy and asking stupid questions. also, i detest graphics. hate it.

in AoC i hated how the female character is presented.

yes, i'm a girl and to me it was... well... humiliating. i didn't even want to create one... i know that most (or let;s face it 99,9%) of games are aimed at men population, but girls like to play games too!

some guy from my kinship asked me once how can he persuade his girlfriend to play LOTRO with him. i said to tell her that she can have here as many pairs of shoes as she wants!

and this is what makes this game amazing for me:

1. storyline - i love Tolkien books

2. people who make this game - my kinship RoCkS! 

3. devs who REALLY care - who listen and put ideas and suggestions into practice

4. fantastic graphics

5. many, many more.

 

honestly, you can try it and then formulate your opinion.

thanks for reading :o)

this post made me smile. My 23 year old daughter who HATES computer games just started LoTRO. She has a mid 20's hobbit guardian who thinks she is a badass, note that DAd crafts all her gear , and loves it.

Her fiancee is in the USAF and is currently deployed so she uses it as a graphical chat room when he is logged in. Lets hear it for LoTROs ingame voice chat

Ah cool...  A neat and different use for MMO's

Great post Jackdog, thanks for sharing...

I got a similar story hehe

My gf is temporarily in another country for almost a year, coming back every 3 months or so.

I'm also studying in a different country than all my friends but what we did is we got our own Ventrilo server  and we all play Lotro + chat in Vent together :)

We're even in the same kin that gladly accepted us from our 6th level :)

The only other place I found similar people was EQ2 - just wanted to say that :P