Originally posted by Ginaz

Originally posted by LordAdder

Originally posted by John.A.Zoid

Personally I think WoW is the better overall game because it does everything so well where as Lotro has crap combat, player models and PvP which are main points of an mmorpg.

WoW does everything so well and PvP is a main point of an MMO?! What universe are you from?

Apparently a larger percentage disagrees with you than agrees,

 

And what universe are you from?  A much, much larger percentage agrees that WoW is a better game, somewhere in the neighbourhood of 11 million to 250k.  Online polls like this are pointless.  They just bring out people who are motivated to vote for this type of stuff anyway.  All anyone has to do is look at the NHL all star vote to know what a complete joke online polls are.  So congrats to the people who are LOTRO fans and crowing about it, thinking this means anything.  Once again, it just goes to show that sites like this aren't representative of the average mmo player.

All that aside, LOTRO is still a very good game with a good developer behind it that more often then not gives its players good value for their money.

BTW, I didn't see swg in the list at all.

That.  The shills stuff the ballots while gamers vote with their wallets.

Im gonna be really cheap and ask if a Mines of Moria trial is planned? wanna check out the new classes

Originally posted by Zorgo

Originally posted by Ginaz

Originally posted by John.A.Zoid

Originally posted by Zorgo

Originally posted by John.A.Zoid

The whole Mc Donalds Argument is dumb because people eat at Mc Donalds for convenience but you don't go out of your way to play a mmorpg for convenience.....

 

People most ABSOLUTELY play WoW for convenience. Myself included.

If you don't have a nice computer, WoW is more convenient than upgrading.

If you don't want the hassle of endless bugs, WoW is more convenient.

If you want a lexicon of knowledge about every single aspect of your game with a simple google search, wow is more convenient.

If you want to find a guild that caters to your individual preferences (roleplay, same time zone, casual, hardcore) WoW's healthy population makes it the most convenient.

Almost everything about WoW's success is about the convenience it brings. The debate is whether you think that's a good thing or a bad thing.

WoW is absolutely McDonald's. And I tell you what, I stop by McDonald's a lot more than the Russian Tea Room.

_______________________________

But sorry for going off topic. Grats to the Russian Tea Room, well deserved this year!

 

None of that has anything to do with convenience but just points that make a good mmorpg..........

 

You don't go for a lunch break off work and go "I need to play a mmorpg" no you're hungry and want to eat and Mc donalds is easy and there and doesn't taste that bad. It isn't a nice Thai meal or anything posh but it's fast food that tastes ok so you go there.

You play games to play a GOOD game and WoW is a GOOD game and thats why people play it. You don't go "well this game is shit but because it is easy I'll play it" no you spend your tome playing a game that is good, that you like.

That is why you the Mc Donalds and games argument is dumb

I agree.  I regard anyone who makes the WoW=MacDonald's argument as partially retarded and therefore not worth listening to.

Can you guys actually read? Or comprehend what you are reading? My God, you are so angry you don't know when someone is on your side or not. Now cut this off topic junk out, it isn't always about WoW.

I'm not angry, just tired of people comparing WoW to MacDonald's, in any way.  Its getting old and tired.  People find to need a new way to make WoW comparisons.  Be original.

Simple solution rathar than argue is to play the game you like.

And then vote for the game you like next year.

To bad all those "11 million" WoW players missed the boat on voting, but then again maybe MMORPG.com is banned in china or doesnt translate well into chinese (shrug).

Now move along and accept that this game was voted as such, defeat is a tough dish to swallow.

Originally posted by Zorndorf

 

 

I HATE WOW, yeah, so lets vote for the best boring  lifeless copy cat clone of it.

 

 

Lifeless copy cat clone... are you talking about WoW? If anything Lotro copies Asheron's Call 2 in everything from UI, throught world design, engine, combat, thousands of quests, tons of solo content, no death penalty,.... And If I recall it right AC2 was way before WoW was released. If your analogy is right then WoW is actually that lifeless copy cat clone of AC2.

Originally posted by Ginaz

I'm not angry, just tired of people comparing WoW to MacDonald's, in any way.  Its getting old and tired.  People find to need a new way to make WoW comparisons.  Be original.

Actually I'd never heard the comparison, lol it is a good one :)

*lol* WoW is just Britney Spears, another "It's all done before and at least as well" game from Blizzard, but I reckon that is just what their fanboys want. It is the King of MMOs in the la-la-land where Michael Jackson is the prince of pop.

Looks like players of some other titles can take the result of voting far better than WoW fans *tips hat off in the general direction of EVE*.

Sour grapes for sore losers

Originally posted by Zorndorf

Originally posted by Steelrose

Originally posted by Zorndorf

 

 

I HATE WOW, yeah, so lets vote for the best boring  lifeless copy cat clone of it.

 

 

 

Lifeless copy cat clone... are you talking about WoW? If anything Lotro copies Asheron's Call 2 in everything from UI, throught world design, engine, combat, thousands of quests, tons of solo content, no death penalty,.... And If I recall it right AC2 was way before WoW was released. If your analogy is right then WoW is actually that lifeless copy cat clone of AC2.

Good God.
 

Elvis and The Beatles were not the first ones either, but they were the first to put out the millions. They were the Kings in their genre (despite of Bill Haley and dozens of others).

You are speaking of the king of MMORPG's. I say that Zork started it all.

And LotrO is indeed a boring lifeless copy cat of that King because it was published 3 years later without any added value. 

No that is WoW. WoW had no additional or original features. If you can name me one, I can change my mind. Because everything from battlegrounds, leveling solo content, no death penalties, combat, crafting.. was done in AC2 the same way.

WoW just brought 40 mil$ into marketing before release which was more than the whole Lotro development. That's why Lotro initially sold maybe 400 copies and WoW like 2 milion (during first 3 months). Even AoC, WAR spent much more on marketing and ad than Lotro -> therefore their sales numbers went up to 1 mil cca.

That's the power of marketing and adv, if you dont believe in it, you're dumb no offense. Not every company has so much money to spend on adv like Blizzard. Turbine is much smaller company.

Originally posted by Zorndorf

Originally posted by Steelrose

Originally posted by Zorndorf

Originally posted by Steelrose

Originally posted by Zorndorf

 

 

I HATE WOW, yeah, so lets vote for the best boring  lifeless copy cat clone of it.

 

 

 

Lifeless copy cat clone... are you talking about WoW? If anything Lotro copies Asheron's Call 2 in everything from UI, throught world design, engine, combat, thousands of quests, tons of solo content, no death penalty,.... And If I recall it right AC2 was way before WoW was released. If your analogy is right then WoW is actually that lifeless copy cat clone of AC2.

Good God.
 

Elvis and The Beatles were not the first ones either, but they were the first to put out the millions. They were the Kings in their genre (despite of Bill Haley and dozens of others).

You are speaking of the king of MMORPG's. I say that Zork started it all.

And LotrO is indeed a boring lifeless copy cat of that King because it was published 3 years later without any added value. 

 

No that is WoW. WoW had no additional or original features. If you can name me one, I can change my mind. Because everything from battlegrounds, leveling solo content, no death penalties, combat, crafting.. was done in AC2 the same way.

WoW just brought 40 mil$ into marketing before release which was more than the whole Lotro development. That's why Lotro initially sold maybe 400 copies and WoW like 2 milion (during first 3 months). Even AoC, WAR spent much more on marketing and ad than Lotro -> therefore their sales numbers went up to 1 mil cca.

That's the power of marketing and adv, if you dont believe in it, you're dumb no offense. Not every company has so much money to spend on adv like Blizzard. Turbine is much smaller company.

 

The King of MMORPG is Wow - like it or not. Because of the sheer PAYED subscription number. Just like Elvis or the Beatles were the first to hit the millions in rock and roll and British pop music.

LotrO came out 3 years AFTER the King was launched and brought NOTHING new.

Where are the flying mounts in LotrO,

Where are the underwater worlds?

Where are the Siege battles, where are the Catapults and destructable Keeps.

Where is the constant phasing and changing worlds depending on the quest you do in Lotro.

NADA. Nothing nowhere to be found. Not even fishing was in it before this year.

600 people on a world wide website that voted with alt accounts just made mmorpg.com looks like a fool these days.

 

 

Heh mate, again no offense. But you're fanatically insane :) Just as you named these things, I could name you 10 other things Lotro has and WoW doesn't. Which actually proves these games are not that similiar.

If you say it's a king of MMO, then I wonder why are other wow fanboys so pissed when WoW is being called McDonald or Britney (King of fast foods, king of popmusic,...) If the term king is only referred to.. how many people are subscribed to it, then indeed you can't avoid being compared to everything else in the world which is being the most popular in its genre.

Originally posted by Zorndorf

 

The King of MMORPG is Wow - like it or not. Because of the sheer PAYED subscription number. Just like Elvis or the Beatles were the first to hit the millions in rock and roll and British pop music.

LotrO came out 3 years AFTER the King was launched and brought NOTHING new.

Where are the flying mounts in LotrO,

Where are the underwater worlds?

Where are the Siege battles, where are the Catapults and destructable Keeps.

Where is the constant phasing and changing worlds depending on the quest you do in Lotro.

NADA. Nothing nowhere to be found. Not even fishing was in it before this year.

600 people on a world wide website that voted with alt accounts just made mmorpg.com looks like a fool these days.

 

 

Umm if you really believe that all of those were originally by Blizzard, I have a bridge in New Mexico to sell you, and it takes you to a wonderful fairy land by the sea.

Originally posted by Oakdragon

Originally posted by Zorndorf

 

The King of MMORPG is Wow - like it or not. Because of the sheer PAYED subscription number. Just like Elvis or the Beatles were the first to hit the millions in rock and roll and British pop music.

LotrO came out 3 years AFTER the King was launched and brought NOTHING new.

Where are the flying mounts in LotrO,

Where are the underwater worlds?

Where are the Siege battles, where are the Catapults and destructable Keeps.

Where is the constant phasing and changing worlds depending on the quest you do in Lotro.

NADA. Nothing nowhere to be found. Not even fishing was in it before this year.

600 people on a world wide website that voted with alt accounts just made mmorpg.com looks like a fool these days.

 

 

 

Umm if you really believe that all of those were originally by Blizzard, I have a bridge in New Mexico to sell you, and it takes you to a wonderful fairy land by the sea.

I think you will find that is just a copy of a WoW bridge, fairy land and sea. In fact nothing existed before WoW!

But seriously I tried both and neither game was to my tastes, but it was pretty obvious Lotro was different and IMO the better MMO, even if I could see why WoW is so popular. Similar to how I can see how a soap opera gets large audiences, but I still find them painful to watch.

I would like to thank this thread for showing what kind mentality people supporting different games possess.

As such I can conclude, that if I ever wanted to play a fantasy MMO it should be LotR and stay far far away from WoW.

Maybe the bitterness comes from too much raiding to get better gear to able to raid to get better gear to be able to raid to get better gear to be able to raid to get better gear ad nauseam.

Originally posted by Ginaz

Originally posted by John.A.Zoid

Originally posted by Zorgo

Originally posted by John.A.Zoid

The whole Mc Donalds Argument is dumb because people eat at Mc Donalds for convenience but you don't go out of your way to play a mmorpg for convenience.....

 

People most ABSOLUTELY play WoW for convenience. Myself included.

If you don't have a nice computer, WoW is more convenient than upgrading.

If you don't want the hassle of endless bugs, WoW is more convenient.

If you want a lexicon of knowledge about every single aspect of your game with a simple google search, wow is more convenient.

If you want to find a guild that caters to your individual preferences (roleplay, same time zone, casual, hardcore) WoW's healthy population makes it the most convenient.

Almost everything about WoW's success is about the convenience it brings. The debate is whether you think that's a good thing or a bad thing.

WoW is absolutely McDonald's. And I tell you what, I stop by McDonald's a lot more than the Russian Tea Room.

_______________________________

But sorry for going off topic. Grats to the Russian Tea Room, well deserved this year!

 

None of that has anything to do with convenience but just points that make a good mmorpg..........

 

You don't go for a lunch break off work and go "I need to play a mmorpg" no you're hungry and want to eat and Mc donalds is easy and there and doesn't taste that bad. It isn't a nice Thai meal or anything posh but it's fast food that tastes ok so you go there.

You play games to play a GOOD game and WoW is a GOOD game and thats why people play it. You don't go "well this game is shit but because it is easy I'll play it" no you spend your tome playing a game that is good, that you like.

That is why you the Mc Donalds and games argument is dumb

I agree.  I regard anyone who makes the WoW=MacDonald's argument as partially retarded and therefore not worth listening to.

And anyone who can't see the obvious similarities between McDonalds popularity & WOW has been sniffing paint.

The analogy (and it's a correct one) is a valid counter point for the 11 million people arguement. I played WOW for an hour before going to bed because It was simple, no fuss, convienant and fun. In conclusion...if you don't want to hear the McDonalds analogy then stop tossing out the 11 million subscribers line like that's proof positive of anything.

More than 11 million people smoke cigarettes but that doesn't mean they rock...lol

Anyway grats to LOTRO while not my cup of tea it's an extremely well made title.

Zorn,

It really isn't dumb ( I won't use your R word ) to compare WoW to McDonalds. And it really isn't an insult either if you look at it from a marketing stand point.

WoW and McD's were made to be enjoyed by the "masses". Almost anyone can afford McD's food and almost anyone can play WoW on their computers with it's gentle PC requirements. I would guess that 90% of America could play WoW -because most ppl have a PC bought in the last 7 years. And 90% of America can afford to eat at McDonald's also.

But look at all the other games on that list and think of all the people in your family and in your neighborhood. Maybe 5% or 10% of those people have machines even CAPABLE of meeting the sys requirements for LoTRO and AoC and War and VG. And less than 5%of the people  have machines that can play those games without hellish lag LOL!

WoW is like McDonalds because it's available to 90% of the people. Doesn't mean it's yucky like McD's food- just that it's DO-ABLE by the masses. It's a good thing. MMO's should be able to be enjoyed by the masses and Blizzard opened the door for them.

God, I hate how every good thread about any game gets derailed into a WoW thread LOL!

Anyways, Congrats to Turbine! Very much deserved win!  Excellent game and grats on winning "Game of the Year" last year on many sites and Game of the Year on this site!!!

Congratulations, Turbine! Beating out a game with an order of magnitude more players in just NA and EU shows just how passionate LOTRO's players are about the game - and it's a great game.

No other MMO I've ever played has had a polished, stable launch and then delivered so much after the game released... two major regions (Evendim, Forochel) and two smaller ones (High Pass/Goblin Town, Tal Bruinen). Hundreds of new quests, deeds, etc. Housing. PvP raids. PvE raid. New instances. New creatures. More storage. New horses. Lots of soloable content. DX10 client. All before Mines of Moria even arrived.

You've listened to your players, making many changes we've asked for. And you've managed to attract a more mature player community than I've seen in an MMO before... a pleasant surprise. Grats again on your wins this year!

Khafar

Perhaps a better analogy than McDonalds would be something like "Star Wars: Episode 1".  Huge buget.  Huge special effects.  Huge brand name recognition.  When it came out, just about everyone went to see it.  A lot of people went because their friends were going.  A good number really enjoyed it.  It was the top-grossing film that year (in other words, highest ticket sales), and is still one of the top 6 of all time.

Was it the best movie of 1999?  Not by a long shot.  Although some will still argue otherwise.

WoW is very similar to Episode 1.  It has a bunch of things going for it and does a great job of marketing to the masses.  I also know a number of people who play it and won't look at anything else simply because that's what their friends are playing.  The upshot is that it has the largest subscriber base and is the most successful MMO in the industry.  We owe a lot to WoW for the way it has energized the genre.  (And it deserves a kick in the nubs for some of the other things it has done to the genre.)

But as with Episode 1, that huge amount of success doesn't necessarily make it the best game out there.

Personally, when I play LotRO I can't help but feel the love that went into the game.  The developers clearly have a passion for the lore, and this shows up in every single thing you see or do in the game.  When I play WoW, I often feel like the developers were simply out to package whatever would appeal to the largest number of people - which to a great extent means a dumbed down MMO.  I just don't sense the same passion that LotRO's dev team shows.  Heck, look at how often Blizzard has done a hack job on their own lore just so that they could broaden market appeal a little bit.  I can't help but think of that pre-movie blurb that some theaters are showing right now where a big wig producer decides that the hedge hog needs pants in order to broaden the target audience and ends up ruining the movie.  :)

Originally posted by LordAdder

 

Gratz Turbine!  Well deserved. 

Originally posted by openedge1

I would most definitely disagree with this win. But, MMORPG.com has really been weighted towards this game anyways.

I think the heavier European influence of this site and forums helps Turbine win this match, due to the game being liked more in EU than the US.

Critics and the current player base love the game, but I can also read about so many dislikes and the sales of the game has not been sky high either.

This is not to say the game is not stable and well run, and I guess Turbine wins for that. But, for the game itself, it is not that good to be THE game of the year.

Just felt that differences are felt by many people, and along with the graces and praise of this title, we should also note the downsides...and LOTRO has quite a few in my opinion.

Anyways, Grats Turbine.

 

LIKED more in the EU than in the US?!  Now where exactly have those statistics been published, or is this just your own perception? Geesh.

I would even wager the opposite is true.

You see in europe Lotro is run by codemasters.

I would probably play Lotro if it were not for this fact, as would quite a few others.

Same with DDO wich I think is pretty great but I just can not stomach codemasters.

No clue on earth why they picked them for this.

You guys arguing about this site's credibility are so silly. "Waaah, only 5300 or so people voted, that doesn't mean anything!"

Well, duh. It's an internet poll, not a scientific phone survey. Did you expect something different?

WoW shouldn't have won. Not a chance. They're getting more flak from their core base than LOTRO is from theirs, and that flak has gotten worse since Lich King's release. WoW is alienating their core by trying to make the game more casual-friendly, and the only reason Blizzard hasn't suffered a subscriber loss is because of the Everquest effect.

The EQ Effect: "I can't quit the game; I've put too much time into it!" People are dissatisfied, but they play because they're scared to death of losing their fake accomplishments in fake pixels and their fake friends they made in their guilds.

EVE has been solid, LOTRO has been solid, and Mythic managed to release WAR in a better state than most MMOs.

Like it or not, Turbine deserves some recognition for what they've done with the game -- despite several major releases this year, they're doing very well.

Originally posted by grimmbot

The EQ Effect: "I can't quit the game; I've put too much time into it!" People are dissatisfied, but they play because they're scared to death of losing their fake accomplishments in fake pixels and their fake friends they made in their guilds.

 

Sounds like my brother's excuse not to leave WOW and play LOTRO or any other MMO
 

Congratulations to Turbine, it is very well deserved.

My husband and I are lifetime members since beta, but we cannot seem to make it past level 24 without quitting for another game (usually WoW).  I believe this is due to the fact that it becomes painful to travel without a horse and also because the low-20 areas are so boring and bleak.