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1/13/09 11:07:36 PM#61
Originally posted by poopypants
-sigh- another igorant parent Let me tell you something MY PARENTS tought me, from ther PERSONAL EXPERIENCE. Parents who limit there kids, who PREACH stuff on there kids that they dont nesseciarly understand or like, end up..well not so well This is how my dad puts it: "All the kids that i remember from school whos parents pushed them into academics.. were over-protective..pushed there kids into sports..ext.. well.. they all go crazy after they get out of school. Its not there fault, its there parents fault. There parents didnt let them do anything so at the time when they get out of school they go crazy with everything that they felt they missed out about to the point where they do it more than any regular kid who did the same thing. Ive seen many examples of this, mostly involving over-protective parents and kids who when they get out of school, go straight into hardcore drug usage and mess up their entire lives." Now tell me my dads wrong. The simple fact that i even see, a 14 year old boy, is that if you keep kids from the truth, and not let them go experiment and understand for themselves, they will not know what to do with themselves wonce the parent isnt there. They will not understand WHY it is wrong to do ___ and eventually do it because of there curiosity due to that there parents protected them from it!
I hope you can understand what im saying..as its not an easy topic to describe But inshort, let kids experience..beind kids, let them get hurt, let them do stupid things, as this is the way humans are rigged to LEARN. Ill tell you right now that i do have friends who did drugs, who started drinking, around the age of 12-13. And i will tell you now that (most) of them swear they would never do it again, because they LEARNED from it. And i think we can all agree that you learn the most when you learn something the hard way.
I, a 14 year old, have never seen so many ignorant parents in my life, and thats the truth. |
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1/13/09 11:49:34 PM#62
It all boils down to kids need to spend their time doing something......I would rather have my kid staying home on a Friday/Saturday night playing video games witha couple friends than out partying or getting into trouble.......As long as it doesnt become too consuming to the point where they never go outside or do anything else then I dont see too much harm in letting them play........ |
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1/14/09 12:01:01 AM#63
Well, better MMOs than stroking and naming their carbine rifles. I vote for them to have MMOs. |
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1/14/09 12:15:13 AM#64
not absolutely so . Since through playing mmorpg, children can make friends with the same class it benefits them to this point |
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1/14/09 12:38:20 AM#65
First of all, I don't Video gaming is healthy at all, in any sort or fashion. You avoid real life, and you are very physically inactive. You ever wondered why the youth of modern nations are so durn overweight and not very sociable? The answer is poor diets, and lack of excercise. Heck, you don't even have to take a real P.E. class in school anymore. Humans are biologically social and active beings, and being inactive and anti-social (sorry but chatting online isn't being social) Having good health requires you to be physically active! Why do you think diet pills don't work but excercise does? If you ever go to the movies on a friday night, just look how many children and kids are overweight. WHy do you think there are so many TV ads, and magazine ads about these new "active youth programs". Nobody ever heard of these until recently. Hell I just saw one with some NFL star urging kids to go outside, and play football. It's really sad to be honest. It's all about how you parent your kids and using the excuse of video games over drugs is just an excuse for poor parenting.
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1/14/09 5:49:04 AM#66
Originally posted by luckypotato
Well, i dont know but i cant imagine that there is "nothing to do". But i remember well that with 14-15 i did watch a lot TV but went also 2x a week from 8-10 pm doing Karate sports, internet didnt exist in this time dont forget. I did collect stamps (really lol) and i did start using a photo camera (but not that often). I was a lot outside too but honestly there wasnt that much time like i had on college. School did start at 8 am and my busride at 6:50 am, came back home at 2:30 around, you do your homework get outside a bit or meet friends, dinner and the day is gone already almost. Thats getting worse if you have your fulltime job later on, you stand up and come back for dinner more or less. With the age from 16-18, I did do a lot sports (did street bycyle and mountainbiking races) and met friends at 16 i did start going out in nightclubs at weekend sometimes, with 18 i did start playing guitar and selfmade didgeridoo sometimes lol. I didnt have any pc at this time, bought my first pc when i was 23 around but played amiga when i was 10-12 but not endless hours...well you had games like pacman, digdug or frogger, doom lol. All i can say is that socializing was always fun and is important, mmorpgs doesnt teach you what you need for life. |
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1/14/09 6:15:46 AM#67
Originally posted by metalhead980 This is a good troll post, this shows just how childish you are. this is why i said my post was directed toward adults. Did I say how Old my children were? If I told you my oldest was nine and youngest was five would I still be an asshole for monitoring what my children did? Considering that my children are reading and doing math about three grades above whats considered average at their age range I feel that i'm doing a good job. Unlike todays brats, my children are into Art, sports, dancing and socializing with my friends children. They don't beg me to play a god damn MMO and my children have respect and would Never! Ever! talk to me the way your scenario played out. How you could even type out that scenario just shows the lack of parenting skills your own parents had. You bring up me letting my kids play the Wii on the weekends? little man, my children would rather me take them out then even bother playing it. I still have that stupid mario game box in the wrapper my son wont even bother with it. Oh and to the idiot that agreed with your shitty scenario, just shows how many children I attracted with my thread.
[15] actually my parents were and still are great parents, they dont need to monitor me because i do what im suppose to do. they dont have to worry about me having unprotected sex, doing drugs, getting drunk, etc, etc because i rather sit infront of my computer 6+ hours straight and play an MMO or play CoD5 on XboxLive then getting into any kind of trouble, yeah i may play MMOs alot but im still doing good in working toward my future career. And playing MMOs is helping me toward that. Plus playing MMOs is an incentive to doing good in school, and not doing drugs. and you being so uptight is going to cause some serious problems in yer relationship with your kids, and when that happens you'll be asking yourself why...
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1/14/09 6:32:34 AM#68
Originally posted by Knived11 [15] actually my parents were and still are great parents, they dont need to monitor me because i do what im suppose to do. they dont have to worry about me having unprotected sex, doing drugs, getting drunk, etc, etc because i rather sit infront of my computer 6+ hours straight and play an MMO or play CoD5 on XboxLive then getting into any kind of trouble, yeah i may play MMOs alot but im still doing good in working toward my future career. And playing MMOs is helping me toward that. Plus playing MMOs is an incentive to doing good in school, and not doing drugs. and you being so uptight is going to cause some serious problems in yer relationship with your kids, and when that happens you'll be asking yourself why...
Well i disagree to a certain point here, since this sounds a lot carebeer like. Some of the points you mention will confront you later if not now, since you wont sit always at home and playing mmos. It depends on yourself if you taking drugs, forget a condome or taking alkohol - this is called responsibility and you are not protected from them doesnt matter which age. It depends also what friends you have and you decide this too. As a teenager you start to go out, meeting friends, socialize and getting first steps towards the other gender. This will happen anyway sooner or later, so you cant hide from that. |
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1/14/09 6:42:58 AM#69
So instead of playing games or posting here, I should go to something outside? Right. It's 4 degrees outside right now. That's 4 Farenheit, not Celsius. What am I supposed to do outside right now? Get frostbite? |
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1/14/09 6:55:29 AM#70
The childhood memories is something one wants to remember for ones whole life, one thing i DONT remember is sitting indoors and playing all the time. For the adult people that are playing and wasting 10-15 hours a day on a game, i bet one wouldent be too happy on the deathbed knowing that the only thing one has done in life is to waste it on games. |
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1/14/09 8:21:01 AM#71
I'm 27 - been playing video games since the Atari 2600 and computers since Intel 486 MHz. I agree and am worried about the future of children. Heck, I'm even worried with my friends that stayed on raiding on Christmas and New Year's Eve... Still, I don't have a good answer for that - if I were a kid today, I'd want to stay on the PC all the time... the only option I see would be to raise my kids in a backwater city, with no broadband connection... But that's not gonna happen. I guess we'll have to wait until the negative effects surface and society decides to take action... Like when Apple introduced the volume control on its Ipods to protect itself from lawsuits against deaf fools... I mean, since long I'd heard listening to loud music could damage your ears - and we only had Walkmans by then...
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1/14/09 8:24:56 AM#72
I hope they are or old farts like me will never be able to fill a raid group. To err is human....to play is divine |
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1/14/09 10:07:50 AM#73
Been playing games since the Atari 2600, Nintendo and early Intel rigs. I love to game! Thing is I had a good father that made me play sports. I picked the ones I wanted to play and have very found memories of doing so. I went to parties and such had a great time and played the hell out of Diablo on the week ends. I also grill the younger guys who choose to play on Friday night vice going to the clubs or parties. I give them hell for it, a few actually go out and thank me for it the ones who don’t well I guess it really isn’t their thing. I am almost 30 and have to step back and really look at how things have changed. Parents do not care for the most part, no one is around to guide these young men and women and a fair amount of these young people make the choice to game. I have 2 young children and building a rig for my oldest B-Day. She wants a pink cooler master case lol! But when I see her sitting around for hours I throw her ass outside. I live in an area I can do that without watching my kids like a hawk, most people do not. If you are truly concerned about the younger generation you play with try and mentor them a bit. Some like I said will be very receptive to it. Others may just tell you this is what they choose to do, but may be open to other suggestions you make. The gamers in our age bracket owe it to the younger adults to pass on the advice they may not get from others. Really how many 25-30 year olds talked openly and with out judgment to you when you were 15-23? Not many. That is my suggestion. "Life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness". No one can stop anyone from pursuing happiness, but life and liberty are said to only exist if they are deliberately sought and paid for". |
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Kyleran
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Joined: 9/13/06
A simple truth-"What people want and what is good for an mmo is not always the same thing"-mrw0lf |
1/14/09 10:27:07 AM#74
I'm 40+ (ahem) and my memories of youth (under 18) were mostly of boredom. I occupied my time with board games and TV, and when a teenager, spent a lot of time hanging around places I shouldn't have which resulted in inevitable brushes with the law, fights with other groups etc. (Didn't win any awards for scholarship either) Ran part time jobs from the time I was 11 (paper-boy) just to occupy my time. So the good ole days were not so good. Now a real world example, my 16 year old son. I first introduced him to MMORPG's with Lineage 1, followed thereafter by DAOC. Being pretty young at the time, (8) he never really quite "got" the games, I had to mentor him through and at no point did he ever really get a high level character, as he didn't have the persistance. Other activities would draw him away. Well, about the time he turned 12, WOW came out, and he really started to hit his stride with MMO's. While I grouped with him for his first 60, and then we raided Molten Core and BWL together when they first came out, very quickly he surpassed me. All through this time he maintained decent grades, (not straight A's) and we never let him get too carried away with things. Maybe he'd have been a better student w/o MMO's, but I doubt it, he's much like his father, not acadmemically enthusiastic, and prefers to live life a bit easier. He went on to raid the highest level instances in the game, defeating AQ 40 and was fighting the four horsemen when he too burned out on raiding, and couldn't devote the time to it. Last 2 years he's played WOW pretty casually, mostly to PVP in the BG's and arena, and of course, whenever an expansion has come out, to level up and get new gear. At 16, he definitely has other interests (aka 'girls') so his game time has dropped way down (actually started when he was 15). Now that he can drive (one of the first among his friends) he's become quite popular, and WOW time has gone down exponentially. In fact, in a weird turnabout, since High school starts so early, he generally goes to bed before 10:00 pm most weekdays, and even on weekends, no more gaming sessions until dawn. All through the years when he was playing MMO's we always knew where he was, he never got in trouble like some of the neighborhood children have , the police never showed up at my door (unlike said neighbor kids) and overall I think he's growing up to be a fine, productive citizen. (except for the dreadlocks, not sure where he came up with that hairstyle concept) Can MMO's be abused by children (and adults) to the detriment of school, work or social life? Of course, but with careful guidance, it can be controlled with no ill long term effects. (unless you are trying to raise some sort of child movie star, professional athlete or Rhodes Scholar, then I suppose you should keep the kids away from them)
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1/14/09 10:59:33 AM#75
Originally posted by metalhead980
To be honest, I dont know any kids, so I cant say for anything but hearsay. But what I see is the impression that kids today spent way less time outside than I did when I was a kid. Ok, back then, there WERE no computers, lol, I was 15 or so when the Commodore C64 came and I got one, and I sure didnt spent all my spare time at it, even though I was a computer nerd relatively speaking back then. What I observe here with kids in Germany is that parents allow their kids much less freedom to go out a roam at their own leisure. When I was kid in the late 70ies /early 80ies we just went out and were out of sight the entire day. Today, parents even drive their 12 year old kids to school with car. I never was driven to school! Heck, I even made a railroad trip to my Aunt when I was 13 all alone! It wasnt so hard, but I see kids today are kinda over-protected and overly held inside the house, so its not all their fault. I see that as a dangerous development. Kids need to have physical experiences, they need to go outside and not sit in front of a computer all day long. Partially kids today are way too focussed on computers and doing stuff in the house, but thats also partial the parents fault, maybe just shove them off that way, glad to be rid of them, when they are at some monitor or screen. A sad development. Children NEED outside experience, they need to exhaust their body, they need to do stuff with real people in the real world to learn something about themselves, about the world and about social bonding which you can not learn inside a computer or video game. So its balderdash to say people 20+ also waste away their time in front of the computer or TV. Thats sad enough, but kids still need to grow and learn things. They end up "socially dumb", and you can see where that leads us to already. Too many sociopaths out there. Kids need to run around and take a little bloody knee or stuff. They need to be out, play soccer (or whatever is fashion in your part of the globe), get a bit rough, play hide and seek, experience nature's seasons asf. Childhood just isnt healthy otherwise.
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1/14/09 11:14:59 AM#76
I would not say they are wasting away their childhood. As other have mentioned, there was always been something that would "waste away" people's childhood; rock n' roll, tv, movies, consoles games, etc.... heck you could even argue that a kid who hides in his room and reads every night is "wasting away" his childhood. |
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1/14/09 11:34:51 AM#77
Originally posted by Elikal
To be honest, I dont know any kids, so I cant say for anything but hearsay. But what I see is the impression that kids today spent way less time outside than I did when I was a kid. Ok, back then, there WERE no computers, lol, I was 15 or so when the Commodore C64 came and I got one, and I sure didnt spent all my spare time at it, even though I was a computer nerd relatively speaking back then. What I observe here with kids in Germany is that parents allow their kids much less freedom to go out a roam at their own leisure. When I was kid in the late 70ies /early 80ies we just went out and were out of sight the entire day. Today, parents even drive their 12 year old kids to school with car. I never was driven to school! Heck, I even made a railroad trip to my Aunt when I was 13 all alone! It wasnt so hard, but I see kids today are kinda over-protected and overly held inside the house, so its not all their fault. I see that as a dangerous development. Kids need to have physical experiences, they need to go outside and not sit in front of a computer all day long. Partially kids today are way too focussed on computers and doing stuff in the house, but thats also partial the parents fault, maybe just shove them off that way, glad to be rid of them, when they are at some monitor or screen. A sad development. Children NEED outside experience, they need to exhaust their body, they need to do stuff with real people in the real world to learn something about themselves, about the world and about social bonding which you can not learn inside a computer or video game. So its balderdash to say people 20+ also waste away their time in front of the computer or TV. Thats sad enough, but kids still need to grow and learn things. They end up "socially dumb", and you can see where that leads us to already. Too many sociopaths out there. Kids need to run around and take a little bloody knee or stuff. They need to be out, play soccer (or whatever is fashion in your part of the globe), get a bit rough, play hide and seek, experience nature's seasons asf. Childhood just isnt healthy otherwise.
I have a similar view about that, but it is not only about the childhood the life goes ahead and nowadays you are not "old" in your 30ish/40ish like it was maybe some generations ago..heck even societies starts to changing their minds slowly. If you learn or if you get in touch with outdoor activities in your childhood/teenager time you have probably less problems to motivate yourself later on to do sport or any physical activities cause you need them in your 30ies or 40ies too, maybe reduced due to time issus but you need it for your current body/health and later health aswell. Of course it is not only about outdoor activities or sport, its about socializing which is just important already in a very young age otherwise there is a risk you dont learn it later on, but it is important for partnership, jobs and just for your development of your character, heck even to communicate with your neighbours/environment instead to be totally anonymous. What i see in this thread is that some people/parents are just to "carebeer" with their kids, but those did exist already years ago, maybe this just happens a lot more nowadays. Kids needs to be shown/learn the limits but they need also their freedom for some parts and are not pet toys living mostly at home. You cant totally protect them from the bad sides of society, but support them and educate them not to get in touch with it. |
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1/14/09 11:38:19 AM#78
It is concerning but some kids do play with their real life friends in mmos like this so that is a positive thing. |
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Ziboo
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Joined: 12/05/08
It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it.~Aristotle |
1/15/09 9:24:47 PM#79
Some of you do need to consider that crime is a bit different than it was 15, 20, 30 years ago if you want to call parents 'carebear'. Being gone all day was normal. You came home for meals or toilet breaks or if the other kids had to go home. What use to be settled with a fight - punching, etc., progressed to knives to guns. There have always been bullies, but they use to beat you up or steal your lunch money, not shoot you. Honestly when I was a teen lots of people had guns, but I don't recollect any kid ever shooting up their school or another gang or anyone because people just didn't do that! I'm sure accidents, etc., happened but not how it is today where peopel react much more violently to incidents that are basically pissing contest crap. Families in general, along with the neighborhood, community, etc., policed themselves and kept the majority of 'gang-like' activity to a minimum, pedophials and drug dealers had less access to chilidren too. Some areas of our country (USA) it's just not safe to shove your pre-teen or teen out the door to play. If it was a matter of coming home with a bloody nose or black eye I wouldn't worry, but the call from the police or morgue - no thanks! For those of us fortunate enough to live in relatively safe areas that our kids can go outside you bet they do!
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1/15/09 11:29:19 PM#80
Originally posted by metalhead980
(by the way, im not in the range of the people who your asking the questions to but i gotta say somethingg) okay im in high school . Ive had quite a few girlfriends. Im one of the most popular kids in my class grade and school. I play almost every sport and im naturally athletic and i get straight A's. Im not bullshitting you. (And i dont want to sound like a little cocky jerk but im just stating facts here.) I also love video games with a fucking passion. no idea how or why, but i think i found a way to mix my life into both worlds. ya know, stay normal and party like a normal little shit and game up whenever i want to and not feel like a little queer. Thank you for this topic seriously, this is a really good point. I would hate to look back on my life and see that i totally missed out on all the fun stuff, but i guess i wont so yay
EDIT: oh and PS, im happy to say ive never been 100% commited to a game. i played WoW. Had a 70, had absolutely No tier gear, flying mount, or high level professions. I was flat broke. Actually i asked a kid for 1000g for a mount and never paid him back.. oh well. havent been on WoW for a year now so i bet he forgot
EDIT EDIT: Oh and im also scared about the generation im growing up in. I mean 5/8 kids in my class are the biggest tools i have ever met. i swear. "hey lets smoke pot man!" "heh heh! okay! it makes me cool right!" "oohh yeahh dude!" haha wow i fucking hate those kids that think theyre cool but really no one likes them.
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