Well, I'm giving this a healthy thrust of sodium... but in the event that it IS true, given the sad affairs already plaguing the game, I really hope that someone with a concience buys the IP before this disaster can ruin even the IP. The concept is too good not to make.

well if tentonhammer can prove that what they reported on this is true I would be interested to know how they could know. Also I find it odd that it appears to me that TTH likes to report mostly bad news about the SGW and there forums and tth  higher ups slander the SGW community, so I wouldnt trust a word tentonhammer says unless they come forward to reveal how they know there info. Also maybe go get a counter statment before saying something, that is how reporting works well I would hope so not just shouting rumors until you are horse but tth wont change to far stuck up its own ass in my opinion. Ok rank over hope you enjoyed

I think there is some truth about this.  Considering the supposedly "company" being in the Investor's Spotlight (Anderson Chocolate: Make Money from Home) and that is a MLM (spin it as much as they can, but it is a MLM, because it relies on new members being harvested).

Something shady here me thinks.

2009 is going to be a tough year for MMO's still in development. Especially the small indy houses. The economy just plain sucks.

I hope these guys pull through this. They deserve some credit for trying something unique in the industry

Through my further research these guys are nothing more than a scam, its amazing what you find the more you delve into it.

Crap had high hopes for this one to bad...

CME have stated they are not affiliated with them, etc.

One of the things I will note, recently someone found a court case that supposedly linked MMOGULS directly to CME, what it actually was was a court case against  MMOGULS/ Cheyenne Mountain & Affiliates.

Cheyenne Mountain & Affiliates is not "CME" & affliliates, its a new organisation or business actually registered as "Cheyenne Mountain & Affiliates" this is highly misleading as it makes it look like its CME + affiliates, when this is not the case.

Cheyenne Mountain & Affiliates != CME in any form or fashion, and is no way affiliated with it.

There seems to be a lot of things goin around, when referencing the court case then name 'Robert Guenther" is mentioned and seems to have been linked with mmoguls as a partner, but if you search his name and mmoguls, you will find sites referencing scams, and get rich systems, it all seems that the further you look into it, the further you find a site that is trying to take money from people, and they are using a well known mmorpg and the name itself to imbiggin there company profile.

People, please don't let the desperate grasping at straws denials coming from SGW fanbois cloud your judgement. Keep in mind, these people are trying to say that a company that's trying to scam people has set up shop on in the same building on the floor below the CME offices. That the companies are in the same building and owned by the same person has already been shown to be true.

Any reasonably intelligent person that looks objectively into the situation themselves further will undoubtedly see that there's a clear connection between CME and this, what looks to me as being, pyramid scheme company.

Don't take anyone else's word for it though. As I said look around yourself.

This is turning into a real black mark on the entire genre. Potentially causing more damage than the gold selling issues that abound.This isn't MMO players spending their own money on something arguably foolish.

This looks to be be a company making an MMO having plans that are involved with bilking people like your parents, your siblings, your children, your friends, out of large amounts of their hard earned money under false pretenses. A company that looks like it's planning to prey on people at a time when economic hardship is a reality and many are desperate. All this while associating itself with one of the games in a genre most of us are associated with.

It's a company that appears to be willing to have every other game in the genre looked upon with distrust. It will end up effecting the bottom lines of other games because sure as you're sitting there, the perception will become that those associated with MMOs are dirty scam artists.

Time to step up people. Time to make yourself heard and to show that MMO enthusiasts will quickly turn their backs on such shady goings on, and companies that want to soil the gene with these kind of underhanded dealings need not bother trying because we as gamers will not support them.

Im confused, whats the issue here ?

From what I gathered, some company that may or may not be affiliated with SGW is asking for $250 up front to play a bunch of games (to include SGW) plus a 50 dollar a month fee. Is this right and if so, whats the problem (besides it being pricy) ?

Does anyone else think it kinda ironic that Stargate Worlds is a pyramid scheme?

Actually, this could be a brilliant business model..  I can see the potential.. paying one time fee of $250, plus $50 a month to access 6 games online for a total cost of $850.   Think about this, to purchase six games will cost $300 right out of the gate or more for the boxes.  If you subscribe to all 6 online at $15 /month for 12 months, it will cost you $1080 per year (15*6=90*12)=$1080.00.  So the idea has merit to it and the motor racing game is probably  www.iracing.com/home.html check it out.

Also, in my personal opinion, there is nothing wrong with MLM, - it called  "word of mouth" the difference is one you being paid, the other is not.  All type of business model has suffer with a few bad apples.   

Originally posted by blkjag

Actually, this could be a brilliant business model..  I can see the potential.. paying one time fee of $250, plus $50 a month to access 6 games online for a total cost of $850.   Think about this, to purchase six games will cost $300 right out of the gate or more for the boxes.  If you subscribe to all 6 online at $15 /month for 12 months, it will cost you $1080 per year (15*6=90*12)=$1080.00.  So the idea has merit to it and the motor racing game is probably  www.iracing.com/home.html check it out.

Also, in my personal opinion, there is nothing wrong with MLM, - it called  "word of mouth" the difference is one you being paid, the other is not.  All type of business model has suffer with a few bad apples.   

Except you're only talking about a part of the picture. The "front" if you will.

The seedy underbelly of the plan is recruiting people to feed the pyramid up the line. It's the false promises of @ $10, 000 a month or even week  incomes to those that buy in for more and recruit and recruit and recruit others to recruit recruit recruit.

It's people buying in high on the promise of products to come (i.e. more games) that very likely will never come, and because of the shell game wording of everything absolutely no chance of getting your money back.

It's people getting threatened and harassed by those up the chain for not performing (i.e. not recruiting enough) and being constantly pressured to go to real life friends and family to get more people, or to put in more of their own money so the next guy above can send their "quota" up the pyramid.

It's you logging in the game and being constantly harassed by people trying to get you to join their leg of the pyramid, and having to totally put up with it because there's no way in hell that the company is going to impede people from recruiting .That's how the guy that owns the company will be making money. Do you see them doing anything about it?

It's almost every command in the game being just a front for these scam artists to lure unwitting players in and "pitch" them in to buying in high.

Not only that, but listen to Gary Whiting in that audio presentation. He's talking about YOU like you're nothing more than a dumb mark. Some idiot gamer to be used. 

Oh and about your belief that most MLMs are on the up and up? I call B.S.

You need to see some truth www.mlm-thetruth.com/ 

... and you need to not become an unwitting accomplis in promoting that people should get involved in possible criminal activity because of some misplaced loyalty to a game.

I'm going to declare this a hoax purely on the basis that, if it were real, they could make a far better scam out of it.  I mean, come on.  "Motor Racing Game"?  "To American Football Game"?  You're expecting to get people to pay for that?  Come on; if you're going to make promises on which you can't deliver, at least take lessons from Adventurine or FailCom on how it's done.

$250 plus $50/month for six games, each of which you wanted to play, might be a pretty good deal.  But if you pick any six games on the market, even six really good ones, how many people are there with active subscriptions to all six right now?  Very few, and furthermore, I'll bet that most of the ones that there are are the sort of people who don't check their credit card bills very carefully and forget to cancel subscriptions.

And that's if you pick six good games.  If all you have on a couple is a single phrase description, and no information whatsoever on others, that's not going to be six good games.

Also if you listen to their presentation they are saying companies like turbine in middle of the year are getting involved.

Originally posted by olddaddy

Does anyone else think it kinda ironic that Stargate Worlds is a pyramid scheme?

ROFL. Maybe that's how the idea came to be. You're on to something there!

Originally posted by iamspamicus

Originally posted by olddaddy

Does anyone else think it kinda ironic that Stargate Worlds is a pyramid scheme?

 

ROFL. Maybe that's how the idea came to be. You're on to something there!

No it's called a mothership scheme! Which makes Gary Whiting first prime to the system lord "So'krap"!

Originally posted by Agricola1

Originally posted by iamspamicus

Originally posted by olddaddy

Does anyone else think it kinda ironic that Stargate Worlds is a pyramid scheme?

ROFL. Maybe that's how the idea came to be. You're on to something there!

No it's called a mothership scheme! Which makes Gary Whiting first prime to the system lord "So'krap"!

Oh Snap!

It a bit sad to read through this thread and see so many that were unfortunately proved wrong now that there's no denying who's involved, and what's in store for people that play the game if it's ever released with these same people involved.

lol I just finished reading how STO has removed ships and now SGW has this massive scandal.

Is it that hard to produce a major mmo without having an agenda?

Originally posted by olddaddy

Does anyone else think it kinda ironic that Stargate Worlds is a pyramid scheme?

ROFL!