Originally posted by JK-Kanosi

Originally posted by Theocritus

Originally posted by trancejeremy

Play it more, and then tell how exciting it is, when all your quests are kill x boars, kill y bears, kill z goblins, etc. Over and over and over again. Every 5 levels there's a whole new set of the same critters you've been fighting over and over again.

Okay, it's not all grinding. There's the ever so original "Hey, why don't you go over to _____ and talk to ______, they need your help".

 

Don't get me wrong, some parts are actually quite inventive and cinematic. But there's a whole lot of filler in the game as well.  Unfortunately, more of the latter than the good stuff.

 

    Thats kinda how I felt about the game also.....I was gung ho also my first couple of weeks in LoTRO...."Oh why didnt I keep playing after beta" blah blah blah........Then after about a month if you play with any regularity at all you hit the wall.......If you jsut play one, maybe two, characters only yo ucan make it through LoTRO without too much boredom, but if you liek to play alts like some of us do it is an excrutiating game eventually.......Like this poster said at the later levels your still killing the same type of animals you killed in the newbie areas......Their label may say level 40 but they feel just like the same mobs you killed at level 4.......

       I'm guessing MoM has put alot of fire back into the game.....I left a few weeks before it was released and I was so bored with it I had zero desire to even look at MoM.......Also when I left my server was dying quickly.....It felt like alot of players had left for AoC and then WAr had just released when I left and many more left for it also.......I'm glad the game is going well for some of you but dont be shocked if youre writing how bored you are with the game in a couple months.......

 

Yeah, games like these, that revolve around a story and around doing quests aren't good MMO's to play for an extended period of time with any regularity.

Take WoW for example, I'm about to start month 4 and I am working on Naxx right now. If you don't know what that is, it's the second to last raid you'll do and the longest lvl 80 raid atm. In other words, I have about a month's worth of play left in that game and that's only 1 day per week.

LoTRO also revolves around a story, but is even more linear, because you can't play the game more than once without having to repeat the same zones. Games like this make it hard to create alts and stay interested in the game at the same time, unless you're just the type that doesn't get bothered by watching the same movie or reading the same book over and over and over again.

Me? Well I play 1 character in WoW and 1 character in LoTRO. I've played every class in WoW ranging from lvl 5-55, aside from my main. I won't be creating an alt there again. LoTRO? Maybe I'll have an alt after running through the game with one character, but I've learned through past experience that creating alts in these games will just put me off of the game before the 30 day trial period is even over. So I might as well play through the game once and then worry about an alt. After all, I picked up the game to play through the Epic quests and see all of the zones content, not to start a virtual life.

That's where sandbox games excel and where creating alts is better for.

I think this depends on the player. Personally I have 5 alts in WoW all maxxed out and it is the same thing... In LOTRO you repeat the story in WoW you repeat the grind (that may be BGs or raids instead of storyline quests).

In these games there's usually one best way to follow and no matter what, an alt will follow it :P

And repetition in WoW ? Naxx you'll be doing it for God knows how much - Unless you are not into raiding so you'll go there once or twice and never really go beyond that :P

Anyhow you're saying they ain't good MMOs to play with any regularity but I beg to differ for both. I play them daily so It really boils down to each person :)

It all depends on the person. I have 5 alts and still very much enjoying the game, replaying the content. Sure, the 'new-game excitement' is gone (except when new areas/zones come out), but I still have a lot of fun (re)playing the game.

Well I for one am thankful for the Elite MMO masters who come on our forums to declare how bored we will be in 2 months of playing -- thanks for the warning! As I said before I'm still waiting to be bored after over 2 years of playing but then again - you know better don't you?   Thanks SOOO much for letting me know that i MUST be bored and didn't even know it!! Wow what a service to me you've done.

/sarcasm off -- seriously though it does come down to the player and just because I"m not bored doesn't mean someone else will become bored but I can say that for me and a lot of daily LOTRO players the game is most certainly NOT boring.

Originally posted by zspawn

Originally posted by JK-Kanosi

Originally posted by Theocritus

Originally posted by trancejeremy

Play it more, and then tell how exciting it is, when all your quests are kill x boars, kill y bears, kill z goblins, etc. Over and over and over again. Every 5 levels there's a whole new set of the same critters you've been fighting over and over again.

Okay, it's not all grinding. There's the ever so original "Hey, why don't you go over to _____ and talk to ______, they need your help".

 

Don't get me wrong, some parts are actually quite inventive and cinematic. But there's a whole lot of filler in the game as well.  Unfortunately, more of the latter than the good stuff.

 

    Thats kinda how I felt about the game also.....I was gung ho also my first couple of weeks in LoTRO...."Oh why didnt I keep playing after beta" blah blah blah........Then after about a month if you play with any regularity at all you hit the wall.......If you jsut play one, maybe two, characters only yo ucan make it through LoTRO without too much boredom, but if you liek to play alts like some of us do it is an excrutiating game eventually.......Like this poster said at the later levels your still killing the same type of animals you killed in the newbie areas......Their label may say level 40 but they feel just like the same mobs you killed at level 4.......

       I'm guessing MoM has put alot of fire back into the game.....I left a few weeks before it was released and I was so bored with it I had zero desire to even look at MoM.......Also when I left my server was dying quickly.....It felt like alot of players had left for AoC and then WAr had just released when I left and many more left for it also.......I'm glad the game is going well for some of you but dont be shocked if youre writing how bored you are with the game in a couple months.......

 

Yeah, games like these, that revolve around a story and around doing quests aren't good MMO's to play for an extended period of time with any regularity.

Take WoW for example, I'm about to start month 4 and I am working on Naxx right now. If you don't know what that is, it's the second to last raid you'll do and the longest lvl 80 raid atm. In other words, I have about a month's worth of play left in that game and that's only 1 day per week.

LoTRO also revolves around a story, but is even more linear, because you can't play the game more than once without having to repeat the same zones. Games like this make it hard to create alts and stay interested in the game at the same time, unless you're just the type that doesn't get bothered by watching the same movie or reading the same book over and over and over again.

Me? Well I play 1 character in WoW and 1 character in LoTRO. I've played every class in WoW ranging from lvl 5-55, aside from my main. I won't be creating an alt there again. LoTRO? Maybe I'll have an alt after running through the game with one character, but I've learned through past experience that creating alts in these games will just put me off of the game before the 30 day trial period is even over. So I might as well play through the game once and then worry about an alt. After all, I picked up the game to play through the Epic quests and see all of the zones content, not to start a virtual life.

That's where sandbox games excel and where creating alts is better for.

 

 

I think this depends on the player. Personally I have 5 alts in WoW all maxxed out and it is the same thing... In LOTRO you repeat the story in WoW you repeat the grind (that may be BGs or raids instead of storyline quests).

In these games there's usually one best way to follow and no matter what, an alt will follow it :P

 

And repetition in WoW ? Naxx you'll be doing it for God knows how much - Unless you are not into raiding so you'll go there once or twice and never really go beyond that :P

 

Anyhow you're saying they ain't good MMOs to play with any regularity but I beg to differ for both. I play them daily so It really boils down to each person :)

I'll raid Naxx until I have everything I want from it. Since loot is random, I have no idea how long this could take. I could be done with Naxx on run #2, or run #10, who knows. All I know is that on my first run, I got 3 Epics out of it. I'm actually the only DK and only 2hander DPS in the raid group, so everything that is meant for me, I get, unless I have better already.

Everyone plays differently, as you said. I won't level up any "best way," instead I try to hit different zones to see all of the content. So in WoW, that could be 2 Horde and 2 Alliance characters, for a total of 4. However, in the end, you're doing the same instances and raids, just different or slightly different solo content.

I'm only level 10 in LoTRO and have only gotten to lvl 16 or so ever in LoTRO, so maybe mid-late game is different, but the early game gives you anywhere from 1-3 choices for leveling 1-10, and then 1 choice for 10-20.  I only like playing Man and Elf, so that limits my choices by 1. So for my playstyle, I'd just assume play one character, even though I'm a serious alt freak.

Personally, I have to agree with the OP. I simply love LotRO and what Turbine has done with it! Not a day goes (after 7 mths.) by that I am not amazed by...something...in-game. But, then again I am one of those players that doesn't mind the grinding and the continuous "kill x,y,z" or "fed ex" quests. The way I approach these is that by completing them it gives my character (and myself) a feeling of accomplishment.

One of the things that I think more people need to do, is to take some time to go out into the world and just look around. Take some random screenshots. Look for an area you've never been before. Go explore an area you haven't been to since level 22.

Or, start a new character on a server you've never been on.

LotRO is a wonderful game for the Explorer type of player.  There are points of interest everywhere you look.  A ruin on a hill.  A hidden valley.  A secluded glade.  I've long since lost track of the number of times that I've gotten completely side tracked when something interesting caught my eye and I decided I had to go explore.  Sometimes there's been nothing worthwhile once I got there -- beyond a great view.  But other times I've been rewarded by a quest giver, a new deed, or some treasure.  

On my current character I spent four full days in the Shire alone.  I found several new things I hadn't known existed.  But I also know that I still haven't seen everything that's there.  That's pretty awesome.

For Achiever type players, the Book of Deeds is incredibly rewarding.  As has been mentioned in this thread, it has lore galore.  Just about everywhere you go and everything you do can count toward a deed of some sort.  Sometimes you get titles.  Sometimes it's a buff to your character.  Some are silly, and some are damned hard to get.  (I still have never gotten a character to level 20 without dying, for example.) 

I really had to laugh about all the raving that took place over WAR's Tome of Knowledge.  The fact is that LotRO had it first.  WAR's is absolutely no better.  Overall, I think it's actually less meaningful than LotRO's version.

Anyway, I think that the people who have the most trouble with LotRO are the ones who've been trained by WoW and other games like it -- people who just want to get to the end game and treat everything along the way as an inconvenience.  Those people are going to really dislike LotRO.  This game is very much about enjoying the journey.  Think about it:  we're a year in and we're only at Moria so far.  The destination is still a long ways off! 

"lol you just described EVERY mmo out there, there isn't a game out there where you either A don't have to kill x number of monsters or B go here get this go there deliver that, blah blah."

Have you ever heard of Ultima Online?

Well I never played UO so I may be totally off base, however

Being an older MMO -- indeed 2 d not 3d -- it was probably similar to old school EQ where there weren't quests as we know them however.

PLease dont' try to convince me that you didn't go in to dungeons in UO to go kill mob a to get x drop.   Or go talk to some NPC in order to get such and such started etc.    Even sandbox games like Starwars Galaxies required you to grind mobs for certain purposes if those purposes were your goals.

No those games didn't have what WoW introduced as quest system where you could grind quests in order to level but that hardly means that the game is forcing you to do whatever.

In every MMO you either go kill mobs for whatever reason -- often the same kinds of mobs spawn in certain geographical areas so you kill multiples of one kind of mob (omg the horror), or you craft, or you socialise/rp, or you pvp if it's available.  I KNOW UO had major quest objectives that required grinding and camping because I"ve spoken to ex-players who were royally pissed off when their hard earned item was looted when they were pk'd.  So unless I"ve been lied to UO still required you to go get x from mob a to deliver to npc y to turn it in to j so you can accomplish bla bla bla.

The difference? an older UI, npc's wouldn't have had shiny little markers above their heads, quests took a little bit more effort to figure out pre WoW since they weren't handed to you -- but the process was EXACTLY the same.

pahlease find another complaint about MMO's honestly -- or find a dose of reality and fast.

 I am playing LOTRO and a miner in Eve. I realy enjoy LOTRO. 

There are pros and cons in my opinions about lotro for today.

First good side:

1. Game quality stable in general . 

2. General design reasonable or acceptable in most parts. At least not something weird enough like FFXI, Pirates of the Burning Sea, EQ2 etc.

3. Game worthy to play for a while.

Here comes the cons that many others don't want to read. If you can't stand to read the negatives, DO NOT continue.

1. The game contents is very limited. It designed for you to play every different character and REPEATE EXACTLY contents but it does not counted in my playing hours for contents.

2. If I compared LOTRO with WOW included the Moria expansion still only half of contents than WOW.

3, Community getting stinks because not enough new faces in the small and humble server, people knew each other and don't like to play with others. Poor kinship doing instance run all over again and again on their alts. People become sick of doing instance which I think they were completely ABUSE by the game.

Conclusion: Less contents does not make LOTRO a bad game, it is still worthwhile to play from time to time, stop subscription a few months and come back to check if there is any new expansion released. If there is next expansion from lotro, I will buy.

Now, I don't bother to level up the rest of my other alts, just leveling my first seed character on relics, once I got Tier 8 relics, I may stop playing a few days or weeks and come back one day. One other reason is those kinships stinks and different from the old days. I guess I won't have chance to play Vile Maw.

Now, I don't bother to level up the rest of my other alts, just leveling my first seed character on relics, once I got Tier 8 relics, I may stop playing a few days or weeks and come back one day. One other reason is those kinships stinks and different from the old days. I guess I won't have chance to play Vile Maw.

 

sorry your kin went to shit Larry. Thankfully mine just keeps getting better and better. By the way anyone who  has done all the content in LoTRO need to get a real life. I have been playing since beta 2 and there are still quests I have not done before the expansion. And even on stuff I have done there are new ways of doing it.

This morning I decided to Finish the Bilbos Buttons deed  on one of my upper 50's toons and even though the darn mobs were green and gray I cannot solo a pair of 10K hit point trolls at the same time. Creative use of all my skills and a healthy dose of allowed me to complete it but it was wasn't easy.

I really think you need to find a diffferent game Larrry, you been finding faults with LoTRO since release and for the life of me I can't figure why anyone would keep sending Turbine 15 bucks a month for  a game they  obviously don't care for. Unless it just to troll the game of course <shrug> Up to you though your money and your time.

Originally posted by trancejeremy

Play it more, and then tell how exciting it is, when all your quests are kill x boars, kill y bears, kill z goblins, etc. Over and over and over again. Every 5 levels there's a whole new set of the same critters you've been fighting over and over again.

Okay, it's not all grinding. There's the ever so original "Hey, why don't you go over to _____ and talk to ______, they need your help".

 

Don't get me wrong, some parts are actually quite inventive and cinematic. But there's a whole lot of filler in the game as well.  Unfortunately, more of the latter than the good stuff.

I hear this argument all the time, about EVERY MMO available.. And I'm really curious as to what everyone wants in quests? 

From the earliest days of CRPG's, computer/console, isn't that what every quest is?; go here, find this, bring it back, go here kill that, show me proof....

I just don't know what all these people bitching about quests wants an NPC to ask you to do.... And you know what, I don't think they have a clue as to what they want in quests either, after all, if it's not killing or finding, what are you going to be doing in an RPG anyway?  Solving puzzles/riddles??? Those typically go hand in hand with both of your find this and kill this quests....