well I see the young and restless will cry and say mommy and daddy wont give me money to buy  ingame items wahhh wahhh wahhh its not fair that a older player can make purchases but me being young and without a bank account cant grow my e peen

For me, at all depends on what they mean by a "cash shop". If they are talking about selling game expansions, time cards, etc then I am fine with that. That makes more sense to me then sending people to Wal-Mart for crap you can do online. Now, if they are talking about selling in-game items that have any appreciable effect whatsoever, meaning items or pre-developed character - what-have-you; then I will not touch this game with a ten foot pole. And no matter how many people decry it's superiority I will shout from the highest rooftops that is is an evil piece of crap. Ok, I may be getting carried away.

If this is the future of MMO's then I will happily go back to offline games, FPS games, etc.

I also believe this cracks the door just a bit wider on the idea of taxation in virtual economies. There might even be an argument for property taxes in this.

Games are for fun.

Originally posted by Jefferson81

No thanks!

I'm gonna skip this game and it looked so promising.

 

NOTHING 

has been officially announced about SWTOR's sales model

/Thread. :p

Originally posted by Zerocyde

Cash shop = 100% garbage. With a sub fee everyone is on the same playing field, with a cash shop, whoever has more money in the bank account wins in game, just like IRL.

We are supposed to be escaping to these fantasy worlds to get away from bullshit like this.

Any video game ever made that has a cash shop in it (where items that actually benefit your characters are sold) will be a 100% trash\fail game. Even if it sells well and breaks subscription records it will still be a crap game. Yes wow fans, 11 million people CAN be wrong.

WAAAAAHHHH!!!  Everything has to be equal. BLAH BLAH BLAH.

Life isn't fair and it isn't your God given right to play every game.

Don't like then don't play.  Shut up and move on.

Originally posted by DeaconX

Originally posted by Jefferson81

No thanks!

I'm gonna skip this game and it looked so promising.

 

 

NOTHING 

has been officially announced about SWTOR's sales model

/Thread. :p

The above is true. While EA may own Bioware and said they will have Microtransactions Bioware came back and said that nothing has been officialy announced.

So as it stands, while it seems Microtransaction are on the table and even likely to happen, we do not know for sure so should all just wait and see.

Originally posted by DeaconX 

 NOTHING 

has been officially announced about SWTOR's sales model

/Thread. :p

As I read somewhere else and thoroughly agree with, do you really think that the CEO doesn't have some kind of plan on how they are going to make the tens of millions of dollars of developemet costs back?  He does and has already let the cat out of the bag. That on top him last year stating in an interview that they want to steal Jagex runescape customers makes it quite clear this will not be using a subscription model,  or if it does that there will also be a healthy does of mt's piled on top.

Originally posted by Blodpls

Originally posted by DeaconX 

 NOTHING 

has been officially announced about SWTOR's sales model

/Thread. :p

 

As I read somewhere else and thoroughly agree with, do you really think that the CEO doesn't have some kind of plan on how they are going to make the tens of millions of dollars of developemet costs back?  He does and has already let the cat out of the bag. 

I think this has been discussed back and forth, back and forth often enough. Nothing has been announced. It's just as likely that they used this supposed "slip" to gauge customer reactions to a MT system (which were actually more constructive on the official boards than here, what a surprise).

Fact is, no one has any idea how the billing will be handled. Not you. And not the countless oprofessional analysts on this site who have a superior knowledge of EA's inner working and motivations due to a statement made by the CEO.

Originally posted by singsofdeath 

I think this has been discussed back and forth, back and forth often enough. Nothing has been announced. It's just as likely that they used this supposed "slip" to gauge customer reactions to a MT system (which were actually more constructive on the official boards than here, what a surprise).

 

CEO's do not let things slip to guage customer reaction when they are talking to the shareholders of the company. This is not a magazine article read by some kids it is the owners of the company, if he starts doing stuff like that he will be fired end of story, it would be completely innappropriate.

Originally posted by Blodpls

Originally posted by singsofdeath 

I think this has been discussed back and forth, back and forth often enough. Nothing has been announced. It's just as likely that they used this supposed "slip" to gauge customer reactions to a MT system (which were actually more constructive on the official boards than here, what a surprise).

 

 

CEO's do not let things slip to guage customer reaction when they are talking to the shareholders of the company, this magazine article read by some kids it is the owners of the company, that would be completely innappropriate.

Oh...and you know this because you are.......what? An expert on marketing? An expert on MMO production? An expert on running a multi-million-dollar company?

Stuff it already. You have no more idea than I do what the payment system of this game will be. You have your theories, but they are, at this time, just as valid as mine or anyone elses. Meaning, they don't mean jack-crap.

For that matter, you don't even know what Microtransaction (in this particular context) would stand for, do you? No, you straight out assume it will be "Pay to Win" model.

Bleh...as I said...this discussion was more constructive on the official boards. Again...no surprise there.

Originally posted by singsofdeath 

Oh...and you know this because you are.......what? An expert on marketing? An expert on MMO production? An expert on running a multi-million-dollar company?

Stuff it already. You have no more idea than I do what the payment system of this game will be. You have your theories, but they are, at this time, just as valid as mine or anyone elses. Meaning, they don't mean jack-crap.

For that matter, you don't even know what Microtransaction (in this particular context) would stand for, do you? No, you straight out assume it will be "Pay to Win" model.

Bleh...as I said...this discussion was more constructive on the official boards. Again...no surprise there.

Are you going to let some guy run your multi billion dollar business if you can't trust a word that comes out of his mouth?  Of course not, it's common sense.

Originally posted by Blodpls

Originally posted by singsofdeath 

Oh...and you know this because you are.......what? An expert on marketing? An expert on MMO production? An expert on running a multi-million-dollar company?

Stuff it already. You have no more idea than I do what the payment system of this game will be. You have your theories, but they are, at this time, just as valid as mine or anyone elses. Meaning, they don't mean jack-crap.

For that matter, you don't even know what Microtransaction (in this particular context) would stand for, do you? No, you straight out assume it will be "Pay to Win" model.

Bleh...as I said...this discussion was more constructive on the official boards. Again...no surprise there.

 

Are you going to let some guy run your multi billion dollar business if you can't trust a word that comes out his mouth?  Of course not, it's common sense.

Have you ever heard of a company recinding decisions? Have you ever heard of companies changing plans based on customer feedback? have you ever heard of companies changing things because of last minute insights? Have you ever heard of companies changing things because of investors? Have you ever heard of companies changing things because they had a better idea at the end?

Sheesh. You act as though every word that is being said by a company is law and they can never ever change their plans once -anything- has been said about something.

In what world do you live?

Edit: BTW, your most exalted company Aventurine have done this a gazillion times. Announce something, albeit in vague terms and then changed plans. So I suppose Aventurine is the only company allowed to do that, eh? I hate hypocrites.

Originally posted by singsofdeath 

Have you ever heard of a company recinding decisions? Have you ever heard of companies changing plans based on customer feedback? have you ever heard of companies changing things because of last minute insights? Have you ever heard of companies changing things because of investors? Have you ever heard of companies changing things because they had a better idea at the end?

 Sheesh. You act as though every word that is being said by a company is law and they can never ever change their plans once -anything- has been said about something.

 In what world do you live?

 Edit: BTW, your most exalted company Aventurine have done this a gazillion times. Announce something, albeit in vague terms and then changed plans. So I suppose Aventurine is the only company allowed to do that, eh? I hate hypocrites.

When I have I ever said I trust Aventurine, never as far I know.

Yes they could change their plans for TOR but as the payment model is a crucial aspect in the game design I think that it is probably unlikely, not impossible but unlikely.  Also it would make John Riccitiello look like chump and make people wonder if he's knows wtf he is doing, which is very bad for him.

Originally posted by Blodpls

Originally posted by singsofdeath 

Have you ever heard of a company recinding decisions? Have you ever heard of companies changing plans based on customer feedback? have you ever heard of companies changing things because of last minute insights? Have you ever heard of companies changing things because of investors? Have you ever heard of companies changing things because they had a better idea at the end?

 Sheesh. You act as though every word that is being said by a company is law and they can never ever change their plans once -anything- has been said about something.

 In what world do you live?

 Edit: BTW, your most exalted company Aventurine have done this a gazillion times. Announce something, albeit in vague terms and then changed plans. So I suppose Aventurine is the only company allowed to do that, eh? I hate hypocrites.

 

When I have I ever said I trust Aventurine, never as far I know.

Yes they could change their plans for TOR but as the payment model is a crucial aspect in the game design I think that it is probably unlikely, not impossible but unlikely.  Also it would make John Riccitiello look like chump and make people wonder if he's knows wtf he is doing, which is very bad for him.

....

Right. Making a correct business-decision upon receiving new facts/reviews of cutomer demands/desires would totally lose him his job. That would be like....totally bad for him. What was I thinking. -.-

I'll let this rest now. You have your opinion and obviously, as so often, you won't be nudged from it. In my opinion, a MT Model (whatever kind) is about as likely as a Subscription Model at this point in time. Or a mixture of the two. So I will rather wait and see, since the feelings of the fanbase have already been well discussed in the official boards.

Enjoy.