Originally posted by ProfRed

 I can't believe you are comparing this to AoC. 

No, I'm not.  I am comparing the dodgy shenanigans that went on with FunCom and the release of their "feature incomplete" game (despite promoting it as being otherwise), and Adventurine who is appearing more and more each day to be getting ready to drop the bomb on what features are being cut from their "feature complete" (as Tasos has called it) game.

Ah yeah it definitely isn't going to have 100% of the features.  As long as it has the key features to make it fun and give this type of player what they want then it will grow and give them time to get the features in.  Only time will tell.

"who cares? all moos companies od that

liek war with tehre 750k beta sign ups allt asos did was the same thing zorvan relax. i never said he was litterly wrong i just said he nedds tos otp making alt account to troll.

people need to chill until after the 22nd"
 

Wow does Google have a translator for this language???

Downtoearth, you would carry a bit more weight in your attacks if you took the time to type correctly and spell words at least somewhat correctly.

As it is you come off as a very young teen full of angst, pi**ed at everyone that doesn't believe that Tasos and Dork-n-Fail is the second coming.

Oh and BTW I was a WAR tester and there at launch. I can damn well believe they had 750K, of course now they probably have less then 400K. Numbers which I predict D-n-F won't ever reach.

Prediction? 

They launch in EU first because if they launch in the US first and flop, the fallout won't be nearly as severe for them. 

I still predict AoC/Vanguard-like launch issues.

It is not 18.7 giga download, but already installed . . .

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Originally posted by EatKrums

Tasos is a buffoon.
He is bringing up numbers on a forum that has been online for the last 8 YEARS.
It literally took them 8 years to get those numbers registered.
How many of those people are long gone by now after 8 years?  I would say at least 30-40%.
The fact that he would even bring those numbers up and use it as a gauge just shows how incompetent he truly is.

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If you've ever been part of the Darkfall forums for over a year you would know the amount of registered people was about 50k until August 2008. When the big trailers came out the forum population mushroomed.

Don't call someone an idiot unless you understand the metrics involved.

Originally posted by mutantmagnet

 

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Originally posted by EatKrums

Tasos is a buffoon.
He is bringing up numbers on a forum that has been online for the last 8 YEARS.
It literally took them 8 years to get those numbers registered.
How many of those people are long gone by now after 8 years?  I would say at least 30-40%.
The fact that he would even bring those numbers up and use it as a gauge just shows how incompetent he truly is.

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If you've ever been part of the Darkfall forums for over a year you would know the amount of registered people was about 50k until August 2008. When the big trailers came out the forum population mushroomed.

Don't call someone an idiot unless you understand the metrics involved.

That's one opinion on why the population mushroomed.

Another opinion is that because the Forum name and registration of said forum was tied to getting a chance of being in Beta.

Not that ANYONE would EVER create multiple forum accounts to have a better shot at getting into Beta... Nope.   I'm sure that all registered user there are unique posters, and only represent 1 person each.  

Just like all the accounts here at mmorpg.com  

You guys are really asking for alot out of this game.

Seriously 300k subs? with no in store game box and a 18 gig file on a torrent?

If DF has more then 20k people playing on more then two servers it will be a massive success in my eyes.

This is a low budget developer there's no way in hell they will generate the subs or the polish that will make you silly guys/gals happy.

It will be a decent game that the realistic sandbox crowd is expecting.

A niche pvp game with a small tight knit community that will give the DF devs time to implement the massive amount of features that will be missing from this game at launch  The true sandbox/pvp fans will have faith and pay for DF as its in its paid phase of Beta (january release).

As sandbox fans we have done this for UO, SWG, EvE and Ryzom, DF will be no different.

Originally posted by ProfRed 

Actually these are the types that play low quality games just to get their fix.  The type that still play UO on private shards, or lower quality games.  Most of the ones I am talking about would play with the half the features listed as long as they knew more was coming.  Content gamers are happy gamers and are less likely to complain, but instead focus on what they like in the game and how it could be even better. 

I can't believe you are comparing this to AoC.  Funcom spent so much money on marketing, pre orders, and deceipt while focusing on the first 20 levels of their game and limiting beta to within that level range to boost inital sales.  Aventurine has not even asked for 1 dollar, and their game world is completely open.  It is a completely different type of game.  It is not content based, but feature based.  There are so many reasons this comparison doesn't work.

Yes I agree as that pretty much describes me and I think quite a few of the people interested in this game.  I expect missing features and bugs but as long as the core game is not complete shit I will be playing.

An intelligent post in the DF forums?? He must have taken a wrong turn at albuquerque

Personally i watched all the videos i could and the game looks pretty good.My problem is that EVERYTHING points to PVP,and that is a fail and will not encourage me to play.Saw some pretty cool things in the videos,like the guy shooting up the water spout to get up the top of the ridge,FFXI did something similiar but on a lesser scale[dangruf wadi].

I noticed how a lot of people don't like the animations,some are a tad off,but at the same time i noticed they tried to give each race it's own sort of bounce in their step and movements.It is really hard to make VERY good animations i think these guys did alright.

A PVP game has no story line,no reason other than to log on and kill people,this is why this kind of game will struggle.In PVE games you band together to try and conquer that BOSS or epic quest line,to advance in the storyline,games need that.I also saw nothing about crafting,basically every single video was about scenery and PVP.It is too bad,i think they tried to put together a pretty decent game here,but lack of money and stafff means  we get a PVP game witch is simple to do,VERY hard to make it work and it won't.

My prediction?i am guessing that it will fall into the same relams as AOC did,an initial burst of players ,then slowly fall off.

I wish i could get a qoute, but Tasos clearly stated its not meant to take any of the WoW userbase, the game is made for people who want freedom in an mmo, but obviously didn't get it in WoW or any of its spin offs. And also the majority of those people are UO and AC players, who thrive on full loot and PvP.

BAsed on what I know.. seen and experienced... Id guess this will fall into the realm of Eve Online... I hope. It will be very niche and have a loyal following... it wont be millions but a few hundred thousand it the best it could hope to achieve... and that's if it is successful.

it will be a successful niche game that appeals to a few thousand players and will join the many other niche MMO's out there.

eve online started with very little hype and very few subscribers but they proved if you make an innovative and well built game, you'll get subscribers. I think their latest numbers were around 250k subscribers and still growing.

Not too bad at all, esp when you consider most games lose subs.

If adventurine puts out a solid game then I can see them eventually getting into the 300k+ club

Originally posted by jakojako

Originally posted by northranger1

1) A Fantastic Game / Large subcriber base,

2) A Good / Average Game / Medium Subscriber base

3) Poor Game / Low subscriber base and eventual closure.

 

 

Wow we've got captain obvious over here. Honestly, no offense, but those options apply to EVERY game EVAR

I agree these are obvious outcomes, however if you read the rest of my post, you will see I state what I think will be the likely outcome and that I provide reasoning for it, hence the title of my post.

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Originally posted by xzyax

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Originally posted by mutantmagnet

 

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Originally posted by EatKrums

Tasos is a buffoon.
He is bringing up numbers on a forum that has been online for the last 8 YEARS.
It literally took them 8 years to get those numbers registered.
How many of those people are long gone by now after 8 years?  I would say at least 30-40%.
The fact that he would even bring those numbers up and use it as a gauge just shows how incompetent he truly is.

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If you've ever been part of the Darkfall forums for over a year you would know the amount of registered people was about 50k until August 2008. When the big trailers came out the forum population mushroomed.
Don't call someone an idiot unless you understand the metrics involved.

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That's one opinion on why the population mushroomed.
 
Another opinion is that because the Forum name and registration of said forum was tied to getting a chance of being in Beta.
Not that ANYONE would EVER create multiple forum accounts to have a better shot at getting into Beta... Nope.   I'm sure that all registered user there are unique posters, and only represent 1 person each.  
Just like all the accounts here at mmorpg.com  

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They purge accounts made for increasing chances into getting into beta. They did that last time with the Clan beta registration.

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My prediction?i am guessing that it will fall into the same relams as AOC did,an initial burst of players ,then slowly fall off.

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I highly doubt that. In spite of Darkfall's past few months of activity search queries on google trends show the visibility of darkfall is low to the point of being pathetic.

Both Warhammer and Age of Conan had obvious spikes of interest three months prior to release.

Darkfall search queries three months prior to release are so low they don't trend higher than search queries for the two mentioned games long after they have released.

Link also includes Runescape and Wotlk.
It should be noted that the word warcraft is searched as frequently as Runescape.

Originally posted by Z3R01

You guys are really asking for alot out of this game.

Seriously 300k subs? with no in store game box and a 18 gig file on a torrent?

If DF has more then 20k people playing on more then two servers it will be a massive success in my eyes.

This is a low budget developer there's no way in hell they will generate the subs or the polish that will make you silly guys/gals happy.

It will be a decent game that the realistic sandbox crowd is expecting.

A niche pvp game with a small tight knit community that will give the DF devs time to implement the massive amount of features that will be missing from this game at launch  The true sandbox/pvp fans will have faith and pay for DF as its in its paid phase of Beta (january release).

As sandbox fans we have done this for UO, SWG, EvE and Ryzom, DF will be no different.

 

Don't even bother......

These guys think Darkfall is going to have a million subscriptions and take over the world.

We know better, I will be right there with you as one of the 20k people that will enjoy this game.

With the exception of Ryzom all of those games earned more than 100k subs let alone 20k. What's even more silly is that ignoring UO the remaining two games made over 200k subs

Anyone who sites those games as evidence of Darkfall being a niche with X0,000 subs are the ones in denial of their own facts.

Originally posted by mutantmagnet

With the exception of Ryzom all of those games earned more than 100k subs let alone 20k. What's even more silly is that ignoring UO the remaining two games made over 200k subs

Anyone who sites those games as evidence of Darkfall being a niche with X0,000 subs are the ones in denial of their own facts.

Come back to this thread after release, hell come back to this thread six months after release.

Necro my post I promise you DF will have under 100k subs and only a couple servers.

This is an indy dev team they can't possibly release a game with the features they listed on release.

With missing features and unforgiving gameplay (ffapvp) this game will be niche like the rest.

Also it took games like Eve a very long time to get to that 200k+ mark and that game is considered by most as the best sandbox since swg.