how oh how didn't Everquest's expansion win. This site has bias I tell you.

Originally posted by qombi

Originally posted by Mrbloodworth

Originally posted by skai

 I was under the impression that the Moria content was 50+. Is there a new area that was added that I don't know about?

 

Um, 2 new classes, one zone before 50, that doesn't even require the expansion to go to, crafting guilds, a completely revamped and expanded trait system, an ass ton of new items and quests......

Content does not only mean zone. B ut on that note, last year alone the added 4 new, entire zones to the game... FREE.

 

Moria is an okay expansion but it is being overly hyped here. I dislike World of Warcraft but they did in their last expansion provide a new starting area and new races, so they too provided a little content that was not all at the top .. just as lotro did. lotro did provide about the same amount or maybe less. You have to remember also lotro is a tiny game compared to EQ and WoW in size. It is also very very casual with no end game except for one raid boss which is a little tiny raid size.

I think the expansion was okay but they really lack at least one big long raid. They really didn't provide that much content compared to other MMORPGs, it looks like a lot it being a smaller game though. I do think they have taken a step in the wrong direction with these new class line traits .. a copy of WoW's broken talent tree system that allows you to modify you role to some degree. I dislike this, lotro had solid class definitions now they have went to muddying them like WoW. This is my unbias feelings, I play neither of these games at this time but have experienced both. I am waiting on an EQ group based game but I think I will be waiting a long time. :P

LOTRO is no longer as small as you think it is (its also much younger than anything you listed) , with 4 entire zones added last year alone, and Moria take about 6 itself, not to mention everything added to the east of Moria, it would be interesting to see the total landmass now. I think many would be surprised, especially with huge zones such as Evendom.

Also, what new race? The new class that can only be used if you have participated in the previous level cap? That one? (DK)

 As far as endgame, people do not seem to realize that there is no need for "endgame", LOTRO is not about endgame, never was. This is a conditioning of the Wow Generation of MMO players, conditioning that says the end is the only part that matters. LOTRO is about story, and the journey through it, not some "End game" that is solely there to take up your time while new content is piled on top of the old. Turbine also believes in horizontal expansion of their games, not vertical, as evidenced by MoM and constant free updates of zones and features over the year. But, you are also forgetting the power of legendary items (when you speak of "end game"), and their use, and avenue of continued power gain and leveling to level cap players, not to mention customization.

Everyone likes different things; you want a long raid..... The player base of LOTRO does not. Turbine knows its player base, and its target audience, and makes the game for them. They do this very well. In fact! LOTRO has 3-5-12 man instances; they also have 25 man raids, something blizzard has recently decided to mimic (Not to mention deeds, barbershops, and legendary items (BOA) ).

I think many MMO players do not realize how influential LOTRO and turbine are on the MMO genre to date. You can thank Turbine for the standard MMO UI (hot bars and the like), as well as many other things to long to list here.

LOTRO Trait system is NOT a tree system, it is nothing like Wows system, and is now even more so distanced by trait sets, and the additions to it. Considering that each class already has more utility, less of a "you are a tank and that’s all you will ever be" class design, the trait system expands classes to all most "skill based" system like customization. You simply cannot compare the utility and uniqueness of the classes in LOTRO to any other game, if you do, you will be in for a shock. There is barely a holy trinity here, and thats a good thing.

I would say perhaps you have not played recently, because your comments to me, sound like you played for just a little bit, didn’t get very far, and potentially came in thinking the game was a Wow clone, with misconceptions.

Gratz to Turbine! they deserve it

mmh, I really need to resub for lotro ^^

Originally posted by Mrbloodworth

 LOTRO has 3-5-12 man instances; they also have 25 man raids, something blizzard has recently decided to mimic (Not to mention deeds, barbershops, and legendary items (BOA) ).

I like LOTRO enough that I feel lying about it would be doing it a disservice. So allow me to correct you about 25 man raids.  Blizzard introduced them in Burning Crusade which came out before LOTRO.  Barbershops were found in Everquest years ago and I'm sure someone will point our an even earlier instance of it.  The LOTRO Deeds system have next to nothing to do with Blizzard's achievement which seems to have derived its inspiration from Microsoft's achievement system more than anything else.  Blizzard has nothing like the legendary items system from LOTRO.

Originally posted by nomadian

how oh how didn't Everquest's expansion win. This site has bias I tell you.

I'm sick of seeing EQ expansions too.. they lack content and anything exciting and they throw out like 10 a year.

Yay, Mines of Moria, well deserved! I play for the community, beautiful game design and vistas, fun class gameplay and the epic story.  A few things need to be tweaked. Like a seperate holding bag for you extra legendaries. But for the most part I have been overjoyed with with MoM. Already looking forward to the first area expansion, Lothlorien (Full area).

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Originally posted by qombi
I think the expansion was okay but they really lack at least one big long raid. They really didn't provide that much content compared to other MMORPGs, it looks like a lot it being a smaller game though.

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Originally posted by jmh1981

 

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Originally posted by qombi
I think the expansion was okay but they really lack at least one big long raid. They really didn't provide that much content compared to other MMORPGs, it looks like a lot it being a smaller game though.

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Just wanted to post in response to this that a lot of people may have missed it (and for all I know the plan may have been changed now) but the first free Book update, Book 7, is supposed to include both the new region of Lothlórien and a 6 boss raid with supporting instances. If I remember the quote from the MoM beta forums right.

 

Hey how dare you going and peaking my interest! You know times are tough and money is tight, now I may have to subscribe again soon. : P

congrats turbine they definitly deserved to win this award. very good expansion to an already very fun and polished game

Grats Turbine. Well deserved. Wish all the bent out of shape WOW players weren't such sore losers, and yes I agree that I have a feeling if the results were different that all these people saying that MMORPG's awards aren't really big would be singing a different toon if Lich King had won. WOW. Just picked up on something Witch King and Lich King. Go ahead and make a comment about how LOTR is a WOW clone. Double Dog dare ya. LOL.

Originally posted by duwat1982d

Grats Turbine. Well deserved. Wish all the bent out of shape WOW players weren't such sore losers, and yes I agree that I have a feeling if the results were different that all these people saying that MMORPG's awards aren't really big would be singing a different toon if Lich King had won. WOW. Just picked up on something Witch King and Lich King. Go ahead and make a comment about how LOTR is a WOW clone. Double Dog dare ya. LOL.

Grats turbine!

Honestly people we all now these things depend on the amount of your fans that vote on it, so lets just drop it, its just an award its not gonna change the future lol.

Originally posted by JK-Kanosi

With just under 4k votes casts for this award, it shows how little read this website is by the majority of MMO players in the genre. I mean hell, 4k people is almost what DAoC has active on a daily basis.

So I take these awards with a grain of salt, because these rewards don't represent what the majority think or what professionals think like most serious awards.

I honestly though mmorpg.com was read by a much wider playerbase than it really is, but I guess we all can't be right all the time. It's a good thing I'm trying to only come here for updates on MMO's in general now, because that's something the mmorpg.com staff is pretty good at keeping us up-to-date on.

I really apologize to those who will read my post and get bent out of shape over it, but look at this from my point of view. I looked forward to these awards to see what the majority of MMO player out there thought about the game. I've viewed these awards for a few years now. Only now I've noticed that less than .01 % of all MMO players out there actually voted on these rewards. Knowing that less than .01% of the MMO population voted for the rewards, how special do these nominations really mean to people now?

 

Well, I don't think people can blame you for having an opinion, especially since you stated it clearly without embellisment.

But to be honest I think the idea that Turbine has one 3 of these awards speaks volumes for this site as it seems that this site tends to be skewed more toward the pvp/sandbox crowd.

But again, this is not to give Turbine a trophy or or monetary award. Anyone who came to this site within the alotted time could have voted.

It's just a bit of recognition. Do people dislike Turbine or their work? Sure. But if WoW or Eve would have won you would have seen equal posts as to how those games didn't deserve it.

How many "wow is the antichrist" posts pop up on this site? Or "who can play eve, it's a gankfest version of Excel that puts me to sleep"

Everyone has their favorites and everyone has their reasons. It just so happens that this time around a good many people felt that Turbine deserved this modest bit of recognition.

Originally posted by Scalebane

Originally posted by duwat1982d

Grats Turbine. Well deserved. Wish all the bent out of shape WOW players weren't such sore losers, and yes I agree that I have a feeling if the results were different that all these people saying that MMORPG's awards aren't really big would be singing a different toon if Lich King had won. WOW. Just picked up on something Witch King and Lich King. Go ahead and make a comment about how LOTR is a WOW clone. Double Dog dare ya. LOL.

 

Grats turbine!

Honestly people we all now these things depend on the amount of your fans that vote on it, so lets just drop it, its just an award its not gonna change the future lol.

 You tell them Scale.
 

This poll is rigged, Lotro posted on their main webpage to vote for them.

Originally posted by pileopoop

This poll is rigged, Lotro posted on their main webpage to vote for them.

How does that make it rigged if they did that? Blizzard could have done the same thing. Did Turbine make the decision on who won? Please explain it to me because I must be missing something. Not seeing how it makes it rigged.

Originally posted by JK-Kanosi

 

So I take these awards with a grain of salt, because these rewards don't represent what the majority think or what professionals think like most serious awards.

Currently Playing: WoW

of course you would ... i mean how could anything ever EVER beat the "bestest game out there" the love of your life the game you masturbate to WoW.

what a farce i mean LOTRO must have paid all its members to come and rig the contest because nothing could ever ever beat WoW! i mean its just not possible ... everything blizzard does is great, nothing can touch it!

Am i right?

and WoW players wonder why many can't stand them or WoW, heres a clue its not the game so much its the "blizzard did it so it must be the only way to do it" attitude.

Congrats Turbine! Maybe I'll try it (still got a live time account). As long as wow doesnt win anything it doesnt serve, I'm happy. Against buying awards.

Great game althought once again this sites anti WoW hate has shown in full colors.

A good measure of a product, is the sales figures.  The same is true for a service.  If you have one service where 60-70% of the market subscribes to that service, then clearly that is the leader for that market.  11.5 million subscribers is pretty significant.

I have to say after playing Everquest 2, Lord of the Rings, Age of Conan, Warhammer, and World of Warcraft that by far World of Warcraft is the best offering available so far.  The quality of the game far exceeds that of other products.  The variety and balance of the game is far superior.  The graphics may not be as realistic as other games, but it's bright and cheery, and the game is just fun to play.

Originally posted by Frostbite05

Great game althought once again this sites anti WoW hate has shown in full colors.

LOL how so? because blizzard should win every award out there? they could package crap in a box and have 4 million people buy it and thus winning the best expac? because 4 million people bought it?

best expac is about quality not quantity.