WoW they won ? Then they should have atleast half of World of warcrafts players then about 5 million + accounts?

Originally posted by patrikd23

WoW they won ? Then they should have atleast half of World of warcrafts players then about 5 million + accounts?

Nope. That's not needed to win. WoW players not necessarily love Blizzard as MMO game studio. Even less love them, so they probably didn't even care to vote for Blizz.

And this shows how players love and rescepct Turbine, even while their games are little, ranging to much smaller. They actually cared to vote for them, and that's a huge thing.

If you want to express how you like something and vote, that means it matters to you. Seems like players of other MMO Studios didn't care much, even if they play their games now. And in great numbers. Players of Turbine - care and voted. This confirms why they won, and that's a well deserver award.

So once again, congratz Turbine!

Originally posted by Sarr

Originally posted by patrikd23

WoW they won ? Then they should have atleast half of World of warcrafts players then about 5 million + accounts?

 

Nope. That's not needed to win. WoW players not necessarily love Blizzard as MMO game studio. Even less love them, so they probably didn't even care to vote for Blizz.

And this shows how players love and rescepct Turbine, even while their games are little, ranging to much smaller. They actually cared to vote for them, and that's a huge thing.

If you want to express how you like something and vote, that means it matters to you. Seems like players of other MMO Studios didn't care much, even if they play their games now. And in great numbers. Players of Turbine - care and voted. This confirms why they won, and that's a well deserver award.

So once again, congratz Turbine!

It may also be saying that more Turbine players use this place than any other.  Or it may be that Turbine urges their players to go vote for them.  I know they have in the past.

Originally posted by Gameloading

Originally posted by WSIMike

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Originally posted by Paragus1

Originally posted by Gameloading

Can't say I really agree with it. Imho, Lotro has never really justified it's existance.  It's always been a WoW clone with very little improvements that doesn't really set itself apart. It's a "good, just not as good as..." game.

 

While I share your opinion of the game itself, Turbine launched the game relatively smooth.  My main issue with Turbine as a company is how they ruined Asheron's Call with a horrid sequel.   They should give AC1 some love, maybe make it free to play, promote it more, or give it some sort of graphical overhaul.

 

While Lotro did indeed have a smooth launch, that was in 2007, not 2008.

They haven't done anything really special in 2008 besides releasing a good expansion pack which is,sorry to repeat myself, "good,just not as good as..."

Also, I can't really say that Dungeons & Dragons Online received anything truly noteworthy.

I agree with you on AC1. AC1 is just sort of sitting there. It doesn't really have a lot of subscribers, it would be nice if Turbine was a bit more creative with the game. Make it free, perhaps an item mall, advertise it a little bit on banners and the game might just be revived again.

 

Well thats your personal opinion that LotrO is "good,just not as good as..."

There is people who dont agree and think that LotrO offers something unique in the MMO market and Turbine are doing a great job with it. 46% of the voters thinks that Turbine is best of thoose companies so it seem Im not alone.

And grats Turbine :)

 

 

It's not just my personal opinion, it's the opinion of many professional critics as well who are, unlike many voters on this website, not biased.

-hands Gameloading a bowl of sugar-

... for those sour grapes.

It's always easy to tell when something has you truly annoyed. The more annoyed you are by it, the higher on your horse you get.. and start making statements like "It's a fact" or, as you did here, pointing at all those others who agree with you.

Of course, all of those who don't agree with you never seem to matter.

Turbine has apparently done well enough to win over the majority of people here - by a substantial margin. It's not like this was "neck in neck" or anything. Those are some pretty sound results.

Maybe you just need to accept the outcome, disagree with it, and move on... like all the rest who didn't vote for Turbine or LoTRO?

That would be the reasonable thing to do.

Or you can keep chewing on the sour grapes.

 

 

 

 

 

Perhaps this hasn't really sunken in yet, in which case I'll explain it to you. If you look at the top end of the page, there is a link which you probably used to get here. It's called "forums", and Forums are usually used to discuss subjects, which is what I'm doing right now.

It really doesn't matter what the "results" are. The results of a user poll such as this one is a contest of which game has the most fanboys present. Do you honnestly believe that people vote for this from an unbiased perspective? Ofcourse not.I think it's obviously most people who play Lotro vote for MoM, people who play WoW vote for WotLK, and people who hate WoW simply because it's popular vote for the next best thing, which was probably Lotro as well.

Nope... guess the sugar didn't help. Oh well, I tried.

Win some, lose some. Kinda like polls.

Yes, I know this is a message forum.

I'm also aware that in a forum, there are threads dedicated to a specific topic.

I also know that in this particular thread, the topic is about the results of a poll which Turbine won and which you can't seem to cope with, so you're at your usual tactics of trying to discredit those who voted for it because it didn't turn out the way you think it should have. Sooo you come out with your "facts" and all your usual arrogant, dismissive, "I'm right" nonsense.

Your "fanboys" comment is a perfect example of your arrogant dismissal of anyone who doesn't agree with you. People can't simply disagree with you for their own reasons... No no. Those who disagree must be fanboys if they like something you don't.

Reviews are (ideally) objective. They are an overall rating based on (again, ideally) objective criteria; Not personal bias of the person reviewing it.
Polls, on the other hand, ask "out of the nominees, which do you personally think deserves the award?". They are, by their nature, very subjective.

Further, people are going to vote (ideally) based on what they've played. You wouldn't expect them to vote for something they haven't played, would you? If I haven't played Eve Online, why would I vote for it, or for CCP? I have no basis to do so.

So, of course they're going to vote for their personal favorite. On this site, it just so happens that there were more who favor LoTRO and/or Turbine than the others.

What do you expect? For people to vote for a game they don't like or haven't even played simply so they won't be called a "fanboy" by people like yourself when you disagree with the results?

That said, I'll entertain your "fanboy" comment...

Your opinion of those who cast their votes is irrelevant because even if it is all fanboys who voted... guess what? Turbine still won... which means of all the fanboys here who voted, Turbine had the most.

Either way, Turbine won this poll.

Need more sugar?

Originally posted by Ian_Hawkmoon

Originally posted by Sarr

Originally posted by patrikd23

WoW they won ? Then they should have atleast half of World of warcrafts players then about 5 million + accounts?

 

Nope. That's not needed to win. WoW players not necessarily love Blizzard as MMO game studio. Even less love them, so they probably didn't even care to vote for Blizz.

And this shows how players love and rescepct Turbine, even while their games are little, ranging to much smaller. They actually cared to vote for them, and that's a huge thing.

If you want to express how you like something and vote, that means it matters to you. Seems like players of other MMO Studios didn't care much, even if they play their games now. And in great numbers. Players of Turbine - care and voted. This confirms why they won, and that's a well deserver award.

So once again, congratz Turbine!

It may also be saying that more Turbine players use this place than any other.  Or it may be that Turbine urges their players to go vote for them.  I know they have in the past.

Sorry, but not this time. Maybe Turbine players visit this place more than other games players, but I doubt it. Just compare the number of posts in WoW, AoC and WAR forums with Turbine games. It wouldn't be so huge difference in %, even if you were right.

And Turbine didn't say a word about mmorpg.com, even now. They may even be unaware of this award, if noone told them. No mention on DDO forums.

Face it, these were real, normal votes. MMORPG isn't even the most LotrO, and especially, DDO-friendly site. DDO section is almost dead. unlike the one on TenTonHammer and Massively.com.

Originally posted by Sarr

Originally posted by Ian_Hawkmoon

Originally posted by Sarr

Originally posted by patrikd23

WoW they won ? Then they should have atleast half of World of warcrafts players then about 5 million + accounts?

 

Nope. That's not needed to win. WoW players not necessarily love Blizzard as MMO game studio. Even less love them, so they probably didn't even care to vote for Blizz.

And this shows how players love and rescepct Turbine, even while their games are little, ranging to much smaller. They actually cared to vote for them, and that's a huge thing.

If you want to express how you like something and vote, that means it matters to you. Seems like players of other MMO Studios didn't care much, even if they play their games now. And in great numbers. Players of Turbine - care and voted. This confirms why they won, and that's a well deserver award.

So once again, congratz Turbine!

It may also be saying that more Turbine players use this place than any other.  Or it may be that Turbine urges their players to go vote for them.  I know they have in the past.

 

Sorry, but not this time. Maybe Turbine players visit this place more than other games players, but I doubt it. Just compare the number of posts in WoW, AoC and WAR forums with Turbine games. It wouldn't be so huge difference in %, even if you were right.

And Turbine didn't say a word about mmorpg.com, even now. They may even be unaware of this award, if noone told them. No mention on DDO forums.

Face it, these were real, normal votes. MMORPG isn't even the most LotrO, and especially, DDO-friendly site. DDO section is almost dead. unlike the one on TenTonHammer and Massively.com.

Are you kidding me?  Go to lotro.com and they already have the MMORPG.com award up for the best expansion.  Don't think for a moment they don't pay attention to this site.

And you can't judge how many players of a game go to a site by how many posts there are in a forum.

Obviously more Turbine game players came to this site than any other.  And just to be devils advocate...  How do you know they were real, normal votes.   Could have been a lot of people using a lot of alt accounts.  :)

Hey, Turbine won, fair or not.  But they did not get my vote.  :)

Originally posted by Ian_Hawkmoon

Originally posted by Sarr

Originally posted by Ian_Hawkmoon

Originally posted by Sarr

Originally posted by patrikd23

WoW they won ? Then they should have atleast half of World of warcrafts players then about 5 million + accounts?

 

Nope. That's not needed to win. WoW players not necessarily love Blizzard as MMO game studio. Even less love them, so they probably didn't even care to vote for Blizz.

And this shows how players love and rescepct Turbine, even while their games are little, ranging to much smaller. They actually cared to vote for them, and that's a huge thing.

If you want to express how you like something and vote, that means it matters to you. Seems like players of other MMO Studios didn't care much, even if they play their games now. And in great numbers. Players of Turbine - care and voted. This confirms why they won, and that's a well deserver award.

So once again, congratz Turbine!

It may also be saying that more Turbine players use this place than any other.  Or it may be that Turbine urges their players to go vote for them.  I know they have in the past.

 

Sorry, but not this time. Maybe Turbine players visit this place more than other games players, but I doubt it. Just compare the number of posts in WoW, AoC and WAR forums with Turbine games. It wouldn't be so huge difference in %, even if you were right.

And Turbine didn't say a word about mmorpg.com, even now. They may even be unaware of this award, if noone told them. No mention on DDO forums.

Face it, these were real, normal votes. MMORPG isn't even the most LotrO, and especially, DDO-friendly site. DDO section is almost dead. unlike the one on TenTonHammer and Massively.com.

Are you kidding me?  Go to lotro.com and they already have the MMORPG.com award up for the best expansion.  Don't think for a moment they don't pay attention to this site.

 

And you can't judge how many players of a game go to a site by how many posts there are in a forum.

Obviously more Turbine game players came to this site than any other.  And just to be devils advocate...  How do you know they were real, normal votes.   Could have been a lot of people using a lot of alt accounts.  :)

 

Hey, Turbine won, fair or not.  But they did not get my vote.  :)

 

 

Because I'm not goin into conspiracy theories just to explain something I don't agree with .

Jon Wood:

After all, by what criteria do you judge a game studio? On their product? On their Customer Service?

Exactly why this award category is a very bad idea.

The impression we get of a MMO studio, may very well be based on how other companies handles their products. For example, Turbine doesn't handle LOTRO and the customer support in Europe, Codemasters do that. And GOA's way of handling WAR in Europe have given Mythic a worse reputation than they deserve.

(This may have been pointed out earlier by other posters - I didn't read through the thread, so I wouldn't know.)

Turbine won ok? Get over it! Congrats Turbine!

Originally posted by Kaiserjager

Originally posted by Gameloading

/removed due to length/
 

It's not just my personal opinion, it's the opinion of many professional critics as well who are, unlike many voters on this website, not biased.

 

How was that saying going again? A professional critic is a failed writer/designer/artist. Lacking the capability to work they earn living by dissecting the work of others.

And of course voters are biased, if they are not biased in favour of one party they wouldn't bother to vote. 

Overall it is a well earned title for Turbine as a studio.

Do not really care either way, just stumbled on this thread and read the above post, especially the highlighted part and I just want to say.

PWND!

Lets have nonbiased votes shall we?

Heheh.

Why isn't SOE among the nominees?

Yes, I know it would be a very could day in hell before they had the slightest chance to win on this site, and I'm not any fan of them either. But when CCP with their single game and what... 250k customers (not sure about the numbers, sorry) is on the list, then there's not one single reason why SOE shouldn't be. I'd be surprised if EQ2 alone doesn't have more subs than EVE.

I think there's something very fishy going on here...

Originally posted by Netspook

Why isn't SOE among the nominees?

Yes, I know it would be a very could day in hell before they had the slightest chance to win on this site, and I'm not any fan of them either. But when CCP with their single game and what... 250k customers (not sure about the numbers, sorry) is on the list, then there's not one single reason why SOE shouldn't be. I'd be surprised if EQ2 alone doesn't have more subs than EVE.

I think there's something very fishy going on here...

This award was given for the "Best MMO Studio of 2008".  Its not based on subscription numbers, its based on the performance of the studio. If you think SOE qualifies in that regard, you are a part of a select few.

Now, Congrats to Turbine. Having played all their games (at least in beta), I am quite proud of the little "engine" that could. After AC2 crashed and burned (This remains my favorite MMO of all time), I thought they were dead in the water. They have learned from their mistakes and have risen from the ashes. To those who complain about Lotro being a WoW clone, if you had played AC2 you would see that its a beefed up version of that game with features that are available in WoW. When I first played WoW, I thought it was very similar to AC2 with a lot more features.

Originally posted by Bastogne

Originally posted by Netspook

Why isn't SOE among the nominees?

Yes, I know it would be a very could day in hell before they had the slightest chance to win on this site, and I'm not any fan of them either. But when CCP with their single game and what... 250k customers (not sure about the numbers, sorry) is on the list, then there's not one single reason why SOE shouldn't be. I'd be surprised if EQ2 alone doesn't have more subs than EVE.

I think there's something very fishy going on here...

 

This award was given for the "Best MMO Studio of 2008".  Its not based on subscription numbers, its based on the performance of the studio. If you think SOE qualifies in that regard, you are a part of a select few.

Now, Congrats to Turbine. Having played all their games (at least in beta), I am quite proud of the little "engine" that could. After AC2 crashed and burned (This remains my favorite MMO of all time), I thought they were dead in the water. They have learned from their mistakes and have risen from the ashes. To those who complain about Lotro being a WoW clone, if you had played AC2 you would see that its a beefed up version of that game with features that are available in WoW. When I first played WoW, I thought it was very similar to AC2 with a lot more features.

I think you would be amazed with DDO now :). It has changes drastically from beta until now, and I think that certainly for good. I suggest you trying it, there's a trial for both EU and US versions. Great game.

Wow, I think Turbine let this award go to their heads. They give an error when trying to reactivate and their account support line is down for the count. Wont accept incoming calls.

Hmmm

Originally posted by Bastogne

Originally posted by Netspook

Why isn't SOE among the nominees?

Yes, I know it would be a very could day in hell before they had the slightest chance to win on this site, and I'm not any fan of them either. But when CCP with their single game and what... 250k customers (not sure about the numbers, sorry) is on the list, then there's not one single reason why SOE shouldn't be. I'd be surprised if EQ2 alone doesn't have more subs than EVE.

I think there's something very fishy going on here...

 

This award was given for the "Best MMO Studio of 2008".  Its not based on subscription numbers, its based on the performance of the studio. If you think SOE qualifies in that regard, you are a part of a select few.

<snip>

And what "performance" is that? Releases? Expansions? Patches? If so, SOE is way more qualified than CCP. Or, server stability, customer service, etc - does that make Funcom more qualified?

No, I didn't try to support SOE in any way, but when we're not allowed to vote on one of the largest MMO studios in the western world, then there is something very wrong here.

Mmorpg.com left out one of the largest, most known mmorpg companies. When they do that, and not even explaining why, then this award is a joke. You may not like SOE (I don't), but that's not the issue here, the issue is that mmorpg.com already from the start decided that SOE didn't deserve a single vote. Which makes the whole award a joke.

The result would probably have been exactly the same, give or take a few votes here and there. Everyone knows SOE wouldn't have a chance here, but we know the same about Funcom, and they're on the list.

Originally posted by Bastogne

Wow, I think Turbine let this award go to their heads. They give an error when trying to reactivate and their account support line is down for the count. Wont accept incoming calls.

 

Hmmm

There's maintenance now.

I don't have much experience with Turbine, but I have had some negative impressions of CCP and Blizzard.

CCP's EvE-O has the "ghost training" and starbase exploit fiascos, about which you can find plenty of info on their forums.  Also, their recent "speed rebalancing".  In a game where it takes time, and lots of it, to train skills in a semi-linear path of ships/weapon/armor styles, having nearly every aspect of speed and propulsion related modules drastically changed has an effect on a large number of players, and is felt even moreso by veterans of EVE who may have found that their favorite ship setups were suddenly nerfed significantly, rendering their trained skills and time less valuable.

As for Blizzard's WoW, it feels like they give in to the game population too easily.  Classes are being nerfed/buffed/rebalanced on an almost regular basis, classes are poorly separated (everyone can heal, nuke, debuff, etc.), and leveling has been severely nerfed so that even casual players can hit high levels in a couple months.

These are just my opinions, of course.