Originally posted by mossmac

I think the great problem so many noobs to EVE have to it - myself included - is that you have to have a real vision or goal of what it is you want to achieve in playing the game to make it a success. Entering the game thinking it is going to be just another MMO, but this time in spacships, is a big mistake.

No truer word can be said about eve!

So many times ive heard new players saying that they found eve 'boring' as you point out, most mmo's lead you by the hand through their levels, they give you goals and you follow the paths they give you.

But at the same time this is something that causes me problems with eve, I often find myself losing focus and what I want to do, and end up doing nothing.

The certificates is a brilliant step towards this problem, giving new pilots at least something to go for.

Originally posted by sadeyx

Originally posted by mossmac

I think the great problem so many noobs to EVE have to it - myself included - is that you have to have a real vision or goal of what it is you want to achieve in playing the game to make it a success. Entering the game thinking it is going to be just another MMO, but this time in spacships, is a big mistake.

No truer word can be said about eve!

 

So many times ive heard new players saying that they found eve 'boring' as you point out, most mmo's lead you by the hand through their levels, they give you goals and you follow the paths they give you.

But at the same time this is something that causes me problems with eve, I often find myself losing focus and what I want to do, and end up doing nothing.

The certificates is a brilliant step towards this problem, giving new pilots at least something to go for.

That is correct, however, you don't have to have a really long term vision, just a couple of medium long objectives, like get certain certificates, get a jumpclone with republic fleet ( by doing missions ), get a enough LP's to buy a fleet issued stabber, find a corp for FW, etc :p

I know your post was slightly tounge in cheek but there is alot of truth in what you say - players can make lists to complete  to help them through the 'boring times' but what EVE really requires from you is a visionary goal you want to achieve for you to stay the long term - well it does for me anyhow....!?

Cheers

Mossmac 

Originally posted by Spiider

...the primary goal of any group of players in 0.0 is to conquer.

I stopped reading there, this man is either clueless or bob.

I am sorry to read that you decided to stop at that point, since the next few lines illustrates that to conquer isn't neccessarily about combat and gave some examples. Players have goals. Accomplishing goals means to conquer. I could use other words: achieve for example. It just doesn't have the ummph that the word conquer has. ;)

This article is about as vague and written as if by someone who hasn't played EVE beyond a free trial as the "how to tank" one.

I guess now that EVE has risen to 2nd place in some markets to WOW MMORPG feels they need to shovel out some articles every week. 

Advice:  Please get someone who has played the game for more than 2 weeks to write them.  EVE articles here are D- quality compared to those on EVE fan sites.  Consider co-opting some of those guys to write them, such as eve-tribune.com.

EVE is completely different from every other MMORPG out there, which are all largely variants of WOW.  It requires a LOT of time invested and experience to understand it much less to be able to write intelligent articles for others.

Originally posted by CyberWiz

That is correct, however, you don't have to have a really long term vision, just a couple of medium long objectives, like get certain certificates, get a jumpclone with republic fleet ( by doing missions ), get a enough LP's to buy a fleet issued stabber, find a corp for FW, etc :p

Well, personally when I started Eve I made myself goals very similar to those you mention. And I was able to enjoy and appreciate Eve, although I dont play Eve much anymore I still re-sub every now and then.

But this is the problem, your typical RPG Gamer has an in-ability to form personal goals.  Their first goal is given to them on an RPG, and thats to level up! - then there is usually a path of quests which leads them around the world introducing them gradually to new skills and challenges.

As for the article,  well.. for someone to even contemplate 'taking over 0.0' he would have to be a highly motivated individual able to set himself some very strong goals and have a complete understanding of the game.