It's worrying that a father uses the term "Butt hurt" .

Plus its also somewhat disturbing that you seriously have an inability to understand ghost training. You talk as if it was an advantage to some players. Everyone could do it!

The reason so many of my posts are anti-eve is because I say something about eve being not as great as people think because of X or Y, and a get a hail of fanboy illogical, circular arguments, and i'll be damned if i'm going to shy away from retards babbling on about something they clearly don't want to understand.

Accounts were sold for RL money? They wern't. CCP just want more money and so lied to their customers. That's bad business practice, but people would rather warp reality so that it didn't seem that to admit they were giving their cash to a bunch of b******s.

As for getting a job, I'm busy getting an education in the hope that I will never get a job which turns me into forum dwelling eve fanboy.

Nice graph, although what is interesting is that the last subscription anouncement was in April time, around there highest server pop. Now i'd have expected them to release a 275k mark with the 45k population, but it hasn't happened which leads to wonder the actual sub number.

"You seem to be completely incapable of separating your opinion from fact."

How? I try to keep fact and opinion sperate, so where have I gone wrong?

"You do realise people can disagree with you without being catagorically incorrect, right? Your opinions on the quality of EVE don't magically override the game's success. A lot of people like the game, pay for it and play it. Those people disagree with you and that doesn't mean they're wrong or you're wrong, it just means you don't like EVE."

Yeah, admittedly I'm no longer a fan of Eve, but NONE of you have actually said why Eve is good, or how I am wrong, other than I just am. That's liberal talk and at worst, fanboy talk. As I've asked before,  with the PR mess ups and the flaws, how come it's increasing? That's not an invitation to smite me under fanboy rage or liberal "your wrong because your criticising my interest" replies, it's a question.

If you look at how things went, I said how come is increasing with the PR mess? To which I had to explain, and was then hit with the absurd idea that GT wasn't  a bad PR situation etc etc. Anyone whose taken a look at it knows that CCP was money raking, to argue anything else is rediculous.
I was then told that Eve was charging a standard price (it isn't) for the GTC's and that people should get a job to afford it.  I brought up the point it wasnt a standard price and due to the level system, it was exceptionaly expensive.
From there on a was hit by a hail of  "no, eves not expensive, its great, stop crying about GT". I then showed how eve infact is full of flaws, and now we're here

Blame fanboys for being woefully arrogant and trying to get me to ssh with the time old "your just wrong" argument.

Originally posted by Mazty

It's worrying that a father uses the term "Butt hurt" .

Plus its also somewhat disturbing that you seriously have an inability to understand ghost training. You talk as if it was an advantage to some players. Everyone could do it!

The reason so many of my posts are anti-eve is because I say something about eve being not as great as people think because of X or Y, and a get a hail of fanboy illogical, circular arguments, and i'll be damned if i'm going to shy away from retards babbling on about something they clearly don't want to understand.

Oh right, you think actually think accounts were sold for RL money. They wern't. CCP just want more money and so lied to their customers. That's bad business practice, but you'd rather warp reality so that it didn't seem that you were giving your cash to a bunch of b*stards.

As for getting a job, I'm busy getting an education in the hope that I will never get a job which turns me into forum dwelling eve fanboy.

 

It's ok, one day when you grow up maybe you will have a nice  job with a nice big office that lets you play Eve and hang on the forums in peace in between conference calls and meetings. Having a home office when I don't feel like leaving the house or don't have to travel half way around the country is nice also.

And getting an education is no excuse for not having a job.

You bitching about the money man but don't want to work? "eve costs too much" "eve lied and took my free training away" 

Now I wonder if Eve didnt take Ghost training away and never raised the price of GTC would you have made all these negative Eve posts still, nahh probably not cause you could train for free, cause thats all it comes down to for you.

Anyway, I could do what your doing also, I could pick out a couple features I want Eve to improve and bitch and bitch cause noone could challenge me on it. Things like a broken wardec system, sub standard missions, Mining thats mind numbing and bounty system that just doesnt work.

I could pull all these out and make a big long post about how anyone could play the game with these problems. While I may enjoy Eve im not that much of a fanboi that I dont see problems with it.

I think everyones problem with your posts is that your so focused on the negative and never bring up anything positive that you sound like a pure hater.

Ill bring up Eves problems but I don't completely ignore the positive and say Eve sucks this is what you're doing and it's the reason you're recieving this type of reaction from people.

 Ok here we go I'll answer you're questions.

"Why is Eve's activity increasing, even though CCP has had a few PR disasters?"

Because these "PR disasters" Haven't really bothered the vast majority of the playerbase. Even if this new achievement was just a few thousand players logging on alts Eves activity has still been pretty steady all year, proving that the "disasters" havent had much effect on the majority of the playerbase.

I'll agree CCP's problems have been pretty bad, removing ghost training was a bit shady but the majority of the playerbase thought this was a good change so It didn't effect numbers at all. CCP itself has stated that only a few hundred accounts closed down. ( was a dev blog on the eve site look for it).

"CCP is a cash grabbing company, they have the highest sub rate, why do people still play?"

I don't know where you live but I live in NYC, when I go to buy my wife her game card for WoW it costs 29.99 plus tax which is around 34-5 bucks. I goto the game shop cause my son likes to come along and I buy him a Wii game once every other month if he has good grades.  Now if you check battleclinic Eves 60 day time code costs 34.95, Seems in line with WoW to me.

Even if Eves sub may cost a bit more where you live im living proff that this change doesnt effect everyone.

"Eve is unbalanced and 0.0 blob warfare is nothing but a who has more ships battle, why do people play this game?"

Because most of those balance issues don't effect the majority of the playerbase. Im not going to disagree that the game needs some balancing but not everyone battles it out in 0.0. And the players that do have worked around it by using certain ships to take advantage until the next round of nerfs spring up on us.

"Why do you like the game?"

I happen to enjoy cyber spaceships, I like defending sections of space with friends.  I enjoy working around CCP nerfs and was smart enough to join a really big alliance that lets me play the may me and my friends want so we dont have to follow bobs guide lines.  I like small gang combat in low sec space on my alt and Faction warfare is actually fun also. I enjoy my indy alt because I find hauling fun while bullshitting on vent with my friends.

Was that ok? I gave you reasons why I like Eve and hopefully answered some of ur questions.

Edit: ill be back later I have some work to do.

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Originally posted by Mazty
*Sigh* No, the evidence shows bugger all, as I've explained due to the fact CCP refuse to release the active subscriptions. As you must be aware of, when the record gets high, everyone logs on their alts. All the high number may mean is the bombardment of net banners has drawn in people to trial accounts.
 
Oops, looks like I've upset a fanboy

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tears of laughter (oh, and I am not sure, 'fanboy' is name-calling yes?)

from what i remember, and this is not a fact, as i can't find a link, trial accounts are not included in the concurrent user statistics, they are also capped. wish i could find that reference. take it as hearsay but consider that every PSU suffers the same error of lots of alts logging is, not affecting the overall trend. Also for sure plenty of banner ads will help the game grow.

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Originally posted by Mazty
As someone who prides myself on not being bias, all the flaws I have mentioned exisit. That's not opinion or a debate. It's fact.

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Originally posted by Mazty
It was the GTC that were hiked up in price to $35 a month, the most expensive MMORPG, whereas the yearly sub bit people hard when GT was removed.

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your facts are often wrong as well.
shattered crystal does 60 day cards for US$34.95

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Originally posted by Mazty
The game is what I define it to be.

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wow, now there is a fact for you. the game that tens of thousands of people play, is defined by you? oh dear, so laughable.

you really have no credibility, you demonstrate supreme arrogance and fail to allow any other view except that what you say matters. The funniest thing is it doesn't. All the negatives you point out only matter to a few people and majority of players are still having a good time so there is little effect on the growth of the game.

You want a point by point deconstruction of you view that "After several huge PR disasters I'd have expected figures to have decreased significantly, not rise"

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Originally posted by Mazty
1) "Standardisation of timecodes" was what CCP called hiking the price of the game up, higher than any other mmorpg at that time, but no, they couldnt call it that. Most players over looked this however.

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Ignored by most players, yep, because it matters to a small part of the client base.

So no it does not affect the games growth.

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Originally posted by Mazty
2)Removal of Ghost Training. One of the most appauling cases of customer service I have ever seen. Too much to go into detail here but the jist of it is: Removal of a known feature of the game, claiming it was a bug (Undenaible eveidence shows this to be a lie), leading to the game essentially costing more and becoming more unbalanced. Unfortunaly this out right lie to the customers upset the majority, who threated to quit over it, or at the least close accounts (would be intrested to see sub numbers after that date)

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Known feature. oh dear, is that why you played EvE? for the feature of gaining something in a MMO by not paying for it or being able to play it either?

It was not a feature, it was an exploitable bug that allowed the farming of alts for sale.

Removal of this had the effect of removing a lot of non-subscribed and non-playing accounts, not really going to hinder the PCU a great deal, just lower the number of unused alt accounts.

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Originally posted by Mazty
3)Quantaum rise being the most "empty" expansion to date, even after 2 cash hikes.

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If, as you have done, say the implementation of stackless I/O and improvement of the lag issues are not part of this expansion as they were progressively rolled out before the expansion date, then yes, it was a light one. But this is the feature of this expansion that i loved and respected for effort it took. Especially because they did progressively roll it out, ironing out the bugs instead of taking credit for an expansion that was full of implementation flaws.

but not exactly a Pr disaster and removing the lag from large fleet battles will help the game expand.

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Originally posted by Mazty
4)The starbase exploit. A massive exploit which has been in the game for years, yet was never detected and so has messed up the sandbox market, the effects will be felt for months and the market won't ever be the same again (literally)

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Yep, this was a scandal, but the market has already normalized. The speculation in goods normalized in under a week but there is still a ~10% mark up on some goods but this is clearly not game destroying. In fact it shows how robust the economy actually is.

This issue has little noticeable effect on most players so little effect the games growth.

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Originally posted by Mazty
5)CCP's back history of providing dire customer care, supplying ingame corps with ships etc

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if this is about the t20 thing then it is something from 2 years ago. So is unlikely to really affect current growth.

Again look at the sub scription count. One of the previous posts has a link to a good graph which shows that CCP hasnt released any sub info since there previous peak back in April. Maybe with alts closing down, mixed with more adverts, server pops going up, but subs are holding steady, may even be decreasing.

Oops, typo. I mean a 60 day GTC, but either way, more expensive then the other MMORPG's including the brand new DX10 ones.

Now quit being pedantic and taking things out of context. If you read the post and the previous/following sentence you'll see that I mean the game is how I define it to be in terms of the flaws I have mentioned exist in the game. Nice how you skipped around that point.

Oh dear. You actually believed the tripe CCP hauled to the masses even after reading the offical story which wasn't slightly altered - it entirely changed. Not to mention the proof that shows ghost training, a term coined up for it to be removed no less, was a feature and not a bug. It wasn't used for farming, and either way, those non-existant farmers would have had to still have payed subs. So how's it being exploited? And then theres the market sales that continue after sub runs out etc.....
Actually how about you pop to the eve forums and actually look at the mammoth post on it, and don't skip the evidence that shows CCP's terrible customer treatment. I'm done arguing this point with people who don't want to see the full picture.

Well considering I left before Quatum Rise was released, how come I was able to "experience" the stackless I/O? Because it wasn't part of the expansion, it was just an upgrade that should have happend reguardless as the lag was dire, especially for a company raking in cash. Many people will agree Quantum Rise was a giant patch, not an expansion. And not like Emp Age was any good either. Yay, factional warfare, tough luck if your in 0.0.

Check up on the forums, some prices for items have doubled, not to mention how much it wil have screwed up 0.0 politics with the trillions of isk worth of extra cash.

If a company has a poor record I would want to know about it rather then presume time heals all and makes a company better & morally upstanding citizens....blah blah blah. If a companys got a bad history, unless theres a change, it'll probably follow that pattern. And CCP has. Apparently anyone who played Eve is a guillible idiot according to CCP with their GT nonsense.

When I "grow up" I sincerly hope I'm not stuck playing virtual spacships. Talking on vent while in an office? Somehow I can't help think but you watch too many internet reviews ...
Getting an education is an excuse for not having a job, hence it's called full time education. Inbetween my 9-5 lectures, not to mention out of hour assignments, when should I get a job? The 8th day of the week maybe?
Either way petty bickering is pointless.

Taking ghost training away was the step that made me hate eve. I'll explain how. With GT, Eve was the online MMORPG that didn't demand the hardcore socially lifeless sterotypical MMO player that other games did. Eve was the MMO for people who didn't want to be stuck behind their desks, decaying into a socially inept state. You could whack on a skill, smash a few ships, blow up a few guys, log off, get slaughtered at the pub, spend a day recovering and all along you didn't have in the back of your mind that you should be doing something on Eve instead, such as grinding exp, to get your moneys worth. And to reward the players for this time, and therefore, cash intensive system, you could carry on levelling to a very limited degree once your sub ran out. This also was a massive insentive for the casual gamer and people with long stretchs abroad with their carers to return to the game, as they had something new to return to. After all, eve isn't the most excsting game and people would burn out after a few months. The GT would act as a break and an insentive to return, to renew peoples interest in it.

But now GT has gone. This means the levelling system is siply cash intensive. Yes, the idea of having a life still is around. But there's now the need in the back of your mind to renew the sub as soon as it runs out, with no insentive to return to the game if you burn out. Instead of an advantage, the training system has just become more reason to buy premade characters to save r/l cash, as you can put an exact fixed price on becoming good in eve. I'm a gamer who wants to be good through skill, not throwing cash at things. May as well open an Eve item shop while theyre at it.

To quote you:
"Things like a broken wardec system, sub standard missions, Mining thats mind numbing and bounty system that just doesnt work. "
I payed £30 for an offline game, resistance 2 to be precise. One off payment. It's multiplayer is lag free, it's perfectly balanced, has tactics and skill gets you very far. All that for £30.
Yet Eve is getting the subs of 250k people and can't even iron out the simple things, such as the broken bounties, or dire missions. Simply put, where the hell is the money going to? CCP don't have any other projects (apart from one, which is the reason for ambulation) to be funding, and reguardless, the payers, are paying for eve, not another game. If eve was bringing out expansions like trinity every 6/9 months that'd be great, but the last two have been terrible!. Emp Age was useless for anyone in 0.0, so most people, and Quatum Rise was a fat patch with no content. All this mixed with the GT is enough for me to go 180 on a game due to the lack of reguard to the customer that CCP is showing. Eve was average over a year ago, but its quickly falling to the side in terms of quality.

As for why you like the game, totally fair enough, makes sense, good reasons, though I'm not paying $35 every 2 months for it.

Originally posted by Mazty

When I "grow up" I sincerly hope I'm not stuck playing virtual spacships. Talking on vent while in an office? Somehow I can't help think but you watch too many internet reviews ...
Getting an education is an excuse for not having a job, hence it's called full time education. Inbetween my 9-5 lectures, not to mention out of hour assignments, when should I get a job? The 8th day of the week maybe?
Either way petty bickering is pointless.

Taking ghost training away was the step that made me hate eve. I'll explain how. With GT, Eve was the online MMORPG that didn't demand the hardcore socially lifeless sterotypical MMO player that other games did. Eve was the MMO for people who didn't want to be stuck behind their desks, decaying into a socially inept state. You could whack on a skill, smash a few ships, blow up a few guys, log off, get slaughtered at the pub, spend a day recovering and all along you didn't have in the back of your mind that you should be doing something on Eve instead, such as grinding exp, to get your moneys worth. And to reward the players for this time, and therefore, cash intensive system, you could carry on levelling to a very limited degree once your sub ran out. This also was a massive insentive for the casual gamer and people with long stretchs abroad with their carers to return to the game, as they had something new to return to. After all, eve isn't the most excsting game and people would burn out after a few months. The GT would act as a break and an insentive to return, to renew peoples interest in it.

But now GT has gone. This means the levelling system is siply cash intensive. Yes, the idea of having a life still is around. But there's now the need in the back of your mind to renew the sub as soon as it runs out, with no insentive to return to the game if you burn out. Instead of an advantage, the training system has just become more reason to buy premade characters to save r/l cash, as you can put an exact fixed price on becoming good in eve. I'm a gamer who wants to be good through skill, not throwing cash at things. May as well open an Eve item shop while theyre at it.

To quote you:
"Things like a broken wardec system, sub standard missions, Mining thats mind numbing and bounty system that just doesnt work. "
I payed £30 for an offline game, resistance 2 to be precise. One off payment. It's multiplayer is lag free, it's perfectly balanced, has tactics and skill gets you very far. All that for £30.
Yet Eve is getting the subs of 250k people and can't even iron out the simple things, such as the broken bounties, or dire missions. Simply put, where the hell is the money going to? CCP don't have any other projects (apart from one, which is the reason for ambulation) to be funding, and reguardless, the payers, are paying for eve, not another game. If eve was bringing out expansions like trinity every 6/9 months that'd be great, but the last two have been terrible!. Emp Age was useless for anyone in 0.0, so most people, and Quatum Rise was a fat patch with no content. All this mixed with the GT is enough for me to go 180 on a game due to the lack of reguard to the customer that CCP is showing. Eve was average over a year ago, but its quickly falling to the side in terms of quality.

As for why you like the game, totally fair enough, makes sense, good reasons, though I'm not paying $35 every 2 months for it.

You can still be a casual player and play Eve, just cause they got rid of Ghost training doesnt stop that, hell im extremely casual, i just turned 30 (going on 60 due to kids) and I havent found not being able to train while my sub was inactive a problem.

Actually I think the game is better for it since it cut the huge amount of Alts people had by a good amount.

Personally I feel the Faction warfare patch to be a great addition sure it doesn't help 0.0 players out but it does something that Eve couldn't offer before, a way for a noob to get into decent sized battles without being in 0.0. thats a good thing imo. And while I agree QR wasnt the best patch the certificate system that alot of vets laugh at has helped alot of newer players get into the game. And im sure you will agree the lag fix is nice.

Now you ask what CCP has been doing? why havent they created more shit for us to play with or balanced things better? during evefest they stated they have pulled all resources back to eve. So i guess that World of darkness project and the unnamed new CCP Fps actually took some resources from eves dev cycle (which i think is lame).

With all of CCP and Eves problems imo the game is still one of the better MMOs on the market, hell look at the sad state the whole mmo genre is in. We havent had a decent sandbox game since SWG? hell UO? and you're wondering why people still play the game.

Once Eve has real competition they will need to really get thier ass in gear cause mistakes like they've made will hurt them, but right now since theres nothing to play other then eve the subs havent fallen and generally people are happy with the game.

 Edit: oh and to respond to ur first few lines, Bro being an adult playing cyber space ships on my free time or in my home office is alot better then what most adults in my field do to relieve stress, (drugs, booze, hookers). You have no Idea how stressful or hardcore the business scene is with our economy the way it is. 

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Originally posted by Mazty

Taking ghost training away was the step that made me hate eve. I'll explain how. With GT, Eve was the online MMORPG that didn't demand the hardcore socially lifeless sterotypical MMO player that other games did. Eve was the MMO for people who didn't want to be stuck behind their desks, decaying into a socially inept state. You could whack on a skill, smash a few ships, blow up a few guys, log off, get slaughtered at the pub, spend a day recovering and all along you didn't have in the back of your mind that you should be doing something on Eve instead, such as grinding exp, to get your moneys worth. And to reward the players for this time, and therefore, cash intensive system, you could carry on levelling to a very limited degree once your sub ran out. This also was a massive insentive for the casual gamer and people with long stretchs abroad with their carers to return to the game, as they had something new to return to. After all, eve isn't the most excsting game and people would burn out after a few months. The GT would act as a break and an insentive to return, to renew peoples interest in it.
But now GT has gone. This means the levelling system is siply cash intensive. Yes, the idea of having a life still is around. But there's now the need in the back of your mind to renew the sub as soon as it runs out, with no insentive to return to the game if you burn out. Instead of an advantage, the training system has just become more reason to buy premade characters to save r/l cash, as you can put an exact fixed price on becoming good in eve. I'm a gamer who wants to be good through skill, not throwing cash at things. May as well open an Eve item shop while theyre at it.

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finally, you clearly state why you take exception to anyone who likes eve.

I can see how you enjoyed gain in eve without paying for it. The thing is it was very easy to start a 3 week trial, (Caldari Actura) put in a full set of +3 implants, get all the learning and advanced learning skills done, then do a month on a month of for a few months and have a very worthwhile industry/mining/covert ops/etc alt. This worked to the macro miners favor as well as being a mini career as you can sell characters for isk.

I am glad alts are harder to make now. Admittedly i did benefit from it, but now i am simply training an alt up on my main character, and it is still pretty easy.

Also some there still are some places where you can gain in the isk grind while not subscribing. Trading will let you put items on the market with high mark ups where there is low trade volumes, over months, especially if you spread your investment of multiple product lines, you will reap the isk. Then the is research points which still accumulate while not subscribed.

Oh, and if you can tell me which item is still doubled in price, that would be great cos there is money to be made undercuting that grossly inflated item.

Best thing to do is completely ignore Matzy.  He has such an inherent dislike of the game that he cannot discuss it rationally.  Instead resorts to ficticious facts that only suit his side of the story.  Most of his complaints are about changes that have made the game better.

Matzy is just an example of the type of troll who should just be ignored. Most of what he says is either a gross distortion of rumours or a bit of truth with a big exaduated white lie.

On the main topic tho its nice to see that not all MMO's are failing and that WoW isant the only MMo thats growing at a steady rate.

How? Please explain that. After playing eve for a while I know the flaws in it, and personally, I wouldn't pay a monthly sub for a game with them in. So instead of branding me a troll and a lier, how about you say how I'm warping truth, or is it the reason that what I'm pointing out is valid, and so you dislike it?

What is it with you/ a lot of eve fans and taking personal offense at anyone who doesn't like the game? I dislike Eve, not the players, let's get that straight.

The flaw with your character farming is that:
1)All characters would have to be active with subscriptions, meaning CCP loose out on nothing
2)You say it's good alts are harder to make. I'm going to pressume your not a hardcore 0.0 pilot as you'd understand the necessity for having several alts at any one time.

As for gaining isk while not subscribed, well the forums and myself see that as a massive sign that CCP only took away GT for extra cash, not to help the eve universe in any way. As for that item, it's on the forum post about the market issues.

Metalhead980 came up with some really good reasons for why Eve is a good mmorpg and why it's probably still growing - it's sandbox and a lot of the new expansions, while hollow for a majority of players, makes the game more welcoming for new players. Considering how a lot of games are WoW clones in one way or another, I guess I can see why it'd seem appealing.
Though why I no longer am intrested in eve (other than the given points above), even through the good points like fleet battles (the size is the selling point, not the blob tactics) and sandbox gameplay, is that when I started playing, November 2007, trinity was on it's way and it looked like Eve was set to go on to become bigger and better. However once trinity had passed and it was on to Emp Age, the game seemed to stagnate. It wasn't becoming deeper, nor where the somewhat massive flaws being fixed. Then when GT kicked in with the increase in sub price, the "your all idiots, give me cash, no more GT for you" incident and the features of QR where released, I realised that Eve wasn't going anywhere quickly. From looking like a revlutionary game it had done a 180 to become a money grabbing sub average game, with a hefty price tag. I was out in 0.0 with BoB, was able to fly logistics pretty much perfectly as well as recon, and was very close to flying Command ships well, and it didnt seem worth the price by a long shot, or that it was going anywhere quickly. This may be a reason why eves not going over the 250,000 sub mark maybe, it has it's hardcore players, but everyone else gets bored quickly of it and their illusions of greatness that is eve quickly evaporate.
Though if eve does pull its act togther and really puts all the cash back into the game, I would still be open for having another try at it, but only when it becomes a game that reflects the cost of it. As ive previously said, offline games at the moment are much cheaper and a better quality than eve, and most mmorpgs for that matter.

@Ozmodan
Hows that for discussing it rationally? Yet you have not once said why it is good & adding to that the appeal to long term players.

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Originally posted by Mazty
Again look at the sub scription count. One of the previous posts has a link to a good graph which shows that CCP hasnt released any sub info since there previous peak back in April. Maybe with alts closing down, mixed with more adverts, server pops going up, but subs are holding steady, may even be decreasing.

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If you check press releases they say nearly 250k subscribers up until November while the latest one says 250k.
So it does look like subscriptions have stagnated slightly but they are still increasing.

We should also expect a huge influx of new players in late spring when Eve will start to be sold in stores. How many of those new players will keep playing remains to be seen.

I think Mazty is just an attention seeker.

I've played a good few MMOs and some of them were truly terrible, I'm sure you all have. But hey, if you decide you don' t like a game, do you still hang around in the associated forums slagging it off?  I know I don't, I wipe it from my PC and forget about it totally. I really couldn't care less about a game that fails for me.

Hence I think Mazty has some other problem otherwise, if he hates the game so much, why is he posting such endless streams of vitriol?

I think all of us who play Eve have criticisms of aspects of interface/gameplay/storyline or whatever but it's far more interesting to read and discuss constructive criticism with ideas for improvement than a slagfest...

 edit: typos

Please read the entire post. I asked a valid question to begin with and came across a lot of fanboy criticism. I'm not one for standing down to circular logic and arrogance, hence the numerous posts, numerous but rational & from a point of experience, not ignorace.

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Originally posted by Mazty
Please read the entire post. I asked a valid question to begin with and came across a lot of fanboy criticism. I'm not one for standing down to circular logic and arrogance, hence the numerous posts, numerous but rational & from a point of experience, not ignorace.

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come on guys, give Mazty some credit, it is not everyday that you see some one that prides themselves on their "freedom from bias" continuously using name-calling to support their arguments.

That is supreme entertainment right there.

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Originally posted by Mazty
What is it with you/ a lot of eve fans and taking personal offense at anyone who doesn't like the game? I dislike Eve, not the players, let's get that straight.

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then why call anyone with a dissenting view from yours a fanboy?

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Originally posted by Mazty

The flaw with your character farming is that:
1)All characters would have to be active with subscriptions, meaning CCP loose out on nothing

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I think you misread the part where i said "month on, month off" for training the alt up so they are pimped for sale.

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Originally posted by Mazty

2)You say it's good alts are harder to make. I'm going to pressume your not a hardcore 0.0 pilot as you'd understand the necessity for having several alts at any one time.

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i am not sure your agreeing with me or not, because the tone you use "hardcore 0.0 pilot" could be as an epithet or a compliment.

Making a 0.0 scouting alt takes the time to create a character as you can scout in a shuttle. Sure a covert ops or falcon alt will take more time but as i said, i am taking time off training my main, to get my alt up for additional work.

Oh and our kill board is always headed by someone who solos in 0.0 without an alt. So again you views of the what is necessary are not facts but erroneous and misleading opinions.

Quit trolling. My name calling is from the point that all fanboys do is criticise anyone whose view differs from their own. And thats what a large majority of people began doing when I showed a dislike for CCP. Are you not doing the same as them?
Have you actually posted anywhere why I am wrong in saying what I have? No, all you have done is thrown around empty remarks and statements which have nothing to do with Eve or the state of which the game is in from a analyitical view.
If you bothered to read the EvE forum reguarding GT, you would know that you can't GT a character month on, month off, there simply isn't enough skills to do that with.

By hardcore 0.0 pilot, it's neither an insult or compliment, it's refering to players that live in 0.0, as in go out to the heart of 0.0 and don't leave for months at a time. For these people, and anyone in a serious alliance, you need alts. This is because one character simply isn't enough to do all the tasks you need to in the massive universe of Eve. And if you want to make your alliance and wallet go far, you need a mining alt, and/or a market alt.

If your a casual player who doesn't do much, then you can get away with not having an alt, but if you really want to explore what eve has to offer, you need an alt. See how it then sucked to take away GT? It made life more expensive and didn't balance the game in anyway.

As for soloing in 0.0. Hahaha, seriously where are you guys camped at? I've been in the north and south, and no one dared to solo as it would have been utter suicide.