Hi,

Any MMO that I've seen discussed on these forums in the last 4 years or so are basically rehashed versions of Everquest.  There is a growing sub community of players who have simply grown totally exhausted from this level grind model.

This thread is for everyone who feels like I do. EQ and UO were great games but one can only play that theam of game in easy mode for so long  before it gets to be exhausting.  Gone are the days of the sandbox where you got a message (if that) that said "Welcome to UO" with no more tasks described.  Gone are the days of discovery and random wandering, trial and error and puzzle solving.

.....I  no longer subscribe to MMOs:  The leveling, the fedex style content, the feeling of disappointment that comes with each successive MMO, the cookie cutter feel that every mmo has, the lack of the R and the P and G has lead to this thread.  For the life of me I can't understand why a 20million dollar game engine has to wrap itself around such poorly written content. 

Clearly there is a market for these craptastic titles. A BIG market....look at WoW for this.   Posting heremeans you are in the minority and feel you have been forgotten by the big publishers.

You are repulsed by:

Task driven quests

Fedex quests

Full blown GPS style maps that leave no discovery

Cookies and cutters.

Barrens Chat type- communties.

Lets see how many people feel like this.

Happy 2009.

Dont play mmorpg games if you think they suck.

agreed. i am totaly done with eq type games. wow has 11 million subs. this is proof that the industry is now big enough to support many different kinds of games as people are always looking for an alternative.

WE DONT WANT MORE WOW

Thank you for sharing, Captain Obvious.

Have a cookie.

Originally posted by g.killram

WE DONT WANT MORE WOW

Or atleast make it as decent as WoW, most of the games coming out are way under the par that WoW has set.

If you can't find a game you like...  You have issues.

This website alone has over a hundred, if you broaden your horizons a bit more it comes to a few thousand playable games.  

Originally posted by sanders01

Originally posted by g.killram

WE DONT WANT MORE WOW

Or atleast make it as decent as WoW, most of the games coming out are way under the par that WoW has set.

Wow is the biggest part of the problem now a days. How about going in a different direction and listening "with in reason" to the people who pay them. Now that would be EPIC!

Originally posted by Yalaruko

Originally posted by sanders01

Originally posted by g.killram

WE DONT WANT MORE WOW

Or atleast make it as decent as WoW, most of the games coming out are way under the par that WoW has set.

 

Wow is the biggest part of the problem now a days. How about going in a different direction and listening "with in reason" to the people who pay them. Now that would be EPIC!

WoW, Warhammer, and AoC need to go the way of the dinosaur

Originally posted by paulscott

If you can't find a game you like...  You have issues.

 

This website alone has over a hundred, if you broaden your horizons a bit more it comes to a few thousand playable games.  

yes...you can have brown poo or dark brown poo or dark almost black poo, white poo.......all kinds of poo.

Originally posted by paulscott

If you can't find a game you like...  You have issues.

 

This website alone has over a hundred, if you broaden your horizons a bit more it comes to a few thousand playable games.  

So you are saying if ya don't wanna play WoW or a WoW clone, or an ugly, boring, old, outdated (basically a WoW clone)game, ya have problems?

Originally posted by Yalaruko

Originally posted by sanders01

Originally posted by g.killram

WE DONT WANT MORE WOW

Or atleast make it as decent as WoW, most of the games coming out are way under the par that WoW has set.

 

Wow is the biggest part of the problem now a days. How about going in a different direction and listening "with in reason" to the people who pay them. Now that would be EPIC!

The problem is in a community of 10s of millions the fact that wow is complete and utter garbage is lost in pools of dollar billls from people who think is mmorpg gaming is what you do when you play WoW.

Originally posted by Rekindle

Originally posted by paulscott

If you can't find a game you like...  You have issues.

 

This website alone has over a hundred, if you broaden your horizons a bit more it comes to a few thousand playable games.  

 

yes...you can have brown poo or dark brown poo or dark almost black poo, white poo.......all kinds of poo.

 

Exactly

Originally posted by talismen351

Originally posted by paulscott

If you can't find a game you like...  You have issues.

 

This website alone has over a hundred, if you broaden your horizons a bit more it comes to a few thousand playable games.  

 

So you are saying if ya don't wanna play WoW or a WoW clone, or an ugly, boring, old, outdated (basically a WoW clone)game, ya have problems?

you haven't looked.   I'm willing to vote with my wallet and play what you call the ugly, old, and outdated(even though it's not nearly that bad).  If you can't I guess you can't play the MMOs you want and you have an enconomical vote no one cares about.   You've already defeated yourself go enjoy well nothing MMOish.

compliments of: secretvespers.com/

Developers don't care about communities or innovaiton, they care about $$$$$$$$$$.

WoW makes big bank.

You do the math...

Sad thing in WoW is indoctrinating millions of new plays as to what they think a game is like.  This is what pisses me off about the WoW community.  Most of them talk crap about every game that isn't WoW but they would know a good game from a hole in their rectum because most of the are not gamers...they are followers. 

After WoW we will be innundated with millions of uber players who think they are gaming/mmo experts.  And guess what developers will be offering them?  WoW-clones.  $$$$$$$$$$

Originally posted by Rekindle

Originally posted by Yalaruko

Originally posted by sanders01

Originally posted by g.killram

WE DONT WANT MORE WOW

Or atleast make it as decent as WoW, most of the games coming out are way under the par that WoW has set.

 

Wow is the biggest part of the problem now a days. How about going in a different direction and listening "with in reason" to the people who pay them. Now that would be EPIC!

 

The problem is in a community of 10s of millions the fact that wow is complete and utter garbage is lost in pools of dollar billls from people who think is mmorpg gaming is what you do when you play WoW.

 

To each his own, what is garbage to some is treasure to others.

Originally posted by Thradar

Developers don't care about communities or innovaiton, they care about $$$$$$$$$$.

WoW makes big bank.

You do the math...

Sad thing in WoW is indoctrinating millions of new plays as to what they think a game is like.  This is what pisses me off about the WoW community.  Most of them talk crap about every game that isn't WoW but they would know a good game from a hole in their rectum because most of the are not gamers...they are followers. 

After WoW we will be innundated with millions of uber players who think they are gaming/mmo experts.  And guess what developers will be offering them?  WoW-clones.  $$$$$$$$$$

Actually you you can skip the last two paragraphs aside from that you have the start of a very well informed post.   2nd to last: there'd be far more flamers in this forum instead of the wannabe hardcore.  Last: The amount of time developers have invested into WoW starts counting at mancentries meaning that it makes abosuloutly no sense to copy WoW in many aspects.

You do have a good premise that hardcore forumers aren't a lucrutive market though.   You just didn't go all the way with it.

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Originally posted by talismen351

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Originally posted by paulscott

If you can't find a game you like...  You have issues.
 
This website alone has over a hundred, if you broaden your horizons a bit more it comes to a few thousand playable games.  

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So you are saying if ya don't wanna play WoW or a WoW clone, or an ugly, boring, old, outdated (basically a WoW clone)game, ya have problems?

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Exactly! WoW has poisoned the market. Until someone gets the courage to make a new type of game.

This Darkfall I've been reading about might do the trick, if it succeeds. If it becomes a haven for mean gank squads, people might not love it, and then the low sub numbers will turn off potential developers.

What we NEED is a game with a new style. And not just new graphics or theme. We need a game like Darkfall, not because I have any love for that game, per se, but because it has progression concept different from any MMO I have heard of.

And don't say Eve is like it. It is not. Eve is a real time progression of skills you choose. Darkfall has a system where what you do increases your skill in that thing, much like the Elderscrolls games. No, this isn't a new concept, but I haven't seen it in any MMO that had a chance of doing well.

But yes, all current games suck. To the last one.

Originally posted by Dubhlaith

 

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Originally posted by talismen351

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Originally posted by paulscott

 

If you can't find a game you like...  You have issues.
 
This website alone has over a hundred, if you broaden your horizons a bit more it comes to a few thousand playable games.  

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So you are saying if ya don't wanna play WoW or a WoW clone, or an ugly, boring, old, outdated (basically a WoW clone)game, ya have problems?

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Exactly! WoW has poisoned the market. Until someone gets the courage to make a new type of game.

This Darkfall I've been reading about might do the trick, if it succeeds. If it becomes a haven for mean gank squads, people might not love it, and then the low sub numbers will turn off potential developers.

What we NEED is a game with a new style. And not just new graphics or theme. We need a game like Darkfall, not because I have any love for that game, per se, but because it has progression concept different from any MMO I have heard of.

And don't say Eve is like it. It is not. Eve is a real time progression of skills you choose. Darkfall has a system where what you do increases your skill in that thing, much like the Elderscrolls games. No, this isn't a new concept, but I haven't seen it in any MMO that had a chance of doing well.

But yes, all current games suck. To the last one.

EvE does have progression even if an aspect is stuck in "realtime".  

Just admit you ONLY want an MMO exactly how you want it or it doesn't count.   The samething will probably happen to you after you get your hands on darkfall as well.   While your views on EvE alone doesn't say that since that progression is a large part of most games, but saying all games suck certainly does.

That said I never once said darkfall is going to suck.   I actually think it looks very interesting for a few reasons.   And the forumcry that will happen after people see what's really there will be a nice cherry on top.

I dont like WoW because I dont like Cartoon Network channel on mmo ok....

Originally posted by sanders01

To each his own, what is garbage to some is treasure to others.

yes about 10 million people or so would disagree with me and my opinions. 

So far 2-3 people agree with me.....we were probably the ones camping Orc 1 ,2 and 3.

Originally posted by Pelu

I dont like WoW because I dont like Cartoon Network channel on mmo ok....

I'll staunchly hold the view that after spending 5 mins in a game you won't see the graphics of it except for in areas where you're supposed to(extravagent mountain views or the sort).   That's me I'd imagine that it's the same for a lot of people as well.

Of course the post isn't really about WoW it's about every game.   I can't play WoW I require good crafting and I'd perfer not to be led around like some "game math" experiment.