Originally posted by Locklain

I can't speak for the grind in the higher levels but even into the teens leveling takes about the same time it took in EQ2 back before it got all squishy.  It does take a lot more time than WoW does but this could also be because I can't read any Korean and basically have to "feel" my way around.

I consider WOW the fastest leveling p2p game

I played EQ2 on its release and it seemed 3 times slower than WOW on release

but EQ2 was still *much faster*  than Everquest

I dont think players care about leveling speed as much as what they have to do for leveling

both EQ2 and WOW offered more quests than you needed to level

I like to quest but enjoy killing stuff in groups too

Originally posted by Dubhlaith

 

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Originally posted by liddokun
They need to do it like WoW take out the massive grind factor and make all the good items soulbound.. that way it eliminates the need for a middleman (gold/item farmerS). The gold farming infestation can't really be eliminated thru bannings but it can be eliminated with the proper game design.

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What? WoW is full to the gills with gold sellers. The most assuredly do not have the proper game design. Sorry.

So true lol. Sad to say, WoW fanboi are so blind -_______- to the obvious.

WoW doesnt have a good design either, it all repetitive, even the quests are the same. The graphics (below average) and the combat are all the same. The tooltip and system UI needs improvements. The crafting system is imperfect.

Each expansion will add 10 more levels. At the end of the day, it is still about grinding to lvl 100 and beyond, but released in a slow way. Most Korean MMO allow the players to hit 60 pretty fast.

It must be noted that WoW is 4 years old and going to 5 soon. And the max lvl is currently 80 and once your sub expires, you do not own the account anymore. Only by continue ur sub, can you own your account and uber powerful characters.

The only fun part about WoW is, the player feels powerful.

Originally posted by Magiclight

 

 

So true lol. Sad to say, WoW fanboi are so blind -_______- to the obvious.

WoW doesnt have a good design either, it all repetitive, even the quests are the same. The graphics (below average) and the combat are all the same. The tooltip and system UI needs improvements. The crafting system is imperfect.

Each expansion will add 10 more levels. At the end of the day, it is still about grinding to lvl 100 and beyond, but released in a slow way. Most Korean MMO allow the players to hit 60 pretty fast.

It must be noted that WoW is 4 years old and going to 5 soon. And the max lvl is currently 80 and once your sub expires, you do not own the account anymore. Only by continue ur sub, can you own your account and uber powerful characters.

The only fun part about WoW is, the player feels powerful.

Sorry, but you've just described Aion.

Most MMO, with the exception of original EQ and some new japanese MMO are exactly like this. BORING.

haha so true.

Originally posted by Magiclight

 

Originally posted by Dubhlaith

 

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Originally posted by liddokun
They need to do it like WoW take out the massive grind factor and make all the good items soulbound.. that way it eliminates the need for a middleman (gold/item farmerS). The gold farming infestation can't really be eliminated thru bannings but it can be eliminated with the proper game design.

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What? WoW is full to the gills with gold sellers. The most assuredly do not have the proper game design. Sorry.

 

So true lol. Sad to say, WoW fanboi are so blind -_______- to the obvious.

WoW doesnt have a good design either, it all repetitive, even the quests are the same. The graphics (below average) and the combat are all the same. The tooltip and system UI needs improvements. The crafting system is imperfect.

Each expansion will add 10 more levels. At the end of the day, it is still about grinding to lvl 100 and beyond, but released in a slow way. Most Korean MMO allow the players to hit 60 pretty fast.

It must be noted that WoW is 4 years old and going to 5 soon. And the max lvl is currently 80 and once your sub expires, you do not own the account anymore. Only by continue ur sub, can you own your account and uber powerful characters.

The only fun part about WoW is, the player feels powerful.

You have a lot of flawed arguments.  Sad to say you as a WoW hater is so blind to the obvious.  Can't you understand the simple wisdom "different strokes for different folks"?

Arguing about number of levels.  It does not matter if the number of level cap is 100 or 10 or 120000.  If it takes a lot of pain to get there, level 2 is too much.  If its fun to get there, I hardly care how long it gets me to level cap.  I am enjoying every day of it.

Aion and many grinders are annoying not b/c of bots or levels alone.  I play my game and I m not jealous of the bots.  They are rich so bloody what.  I feel weary of the grinders b/c apart from grinding the same mob there is nothing else in the game until I ding.  And what after I ding?  Grinding the next batch of mobs.

As for owning anything in the game, no you never own anything, you hired a log in and you play while you pay.  You never buy shares of the company and naturally you own nothing.

The only fun part about WoW is what you feel fun.  You like to feel powerful, good.  Not all players do.  One of my friends never care about uber loot or levelling.  He is busy trying out all the crazy achievements.  He is the first to tell us where to jump 10000 feet and ends up with only 1 hp, just to get the achievement.  He spent a week dropping to death in every possible place, just to find the spot where you ends up with 1hp.  Does he feel powerful?  No, he has no gear.  Does he feel fun, yes.

Originally posted by InTheSea

Originally posted by Magiclight

 

 

So true lol. Sad to say, WoW fanboi are so blind -_______- to the obvious.

WoW doesnt have a good design either, it all repetitive, even the quests are the same. The graphics (below average) and the combat are all the same. The tooltip and system UI needs improvements. The crafting system is imperfect.

Each expansion will add 10 more levels. At the end of the day, it is still about grinding to lvl 100 and beyond, but released in a slow way. Most Korean MMO allow the players to hit 60 pretty fast.

It must be noted that WoW is 4 years old and going to 5 soon. And the max lvl is currently 80 and once your sub expires, you do not own the account anymore. Only by continue ur sub, can you own your account and uber powerful characters.

The only fun part about WoW is, the player feels powerful.

Sorry, but you've just described Aion.

Most MMO, with the exception of original EQ and some new japanese MMO are exactly like this. BORING.

Original EQ had most of this.  Repetitive, level grind, cumbersome crafting, bad UI, added levels with expansion, gear grind.

The only thing it didn't have was obvious quests.  They were there, and repetitive, just not obvious.  But as it was my first, it seemed awesome.

Venge Sunsoar

www.youtube.com/watch nice vid

maybe they can put a wandering elite mob to those locations one that requires teamplay, which players can choose to aviod.

They just made another ban list but this time they went through all the KSSN numbers and banned all of those that matched the banned bots.

So even if you did not bot but your kssn matched at bot that was banned then you got the boot also.

Originally posted by rvjones10

Hmmm, I played lineage2 for a long time and for some reason this does not suprise me. It would seem that NCsoft doesn't care about bots as long as the subs are good.

Lineage 2 is a grind game. And Aion is not. But like I said to everyone else talking about shit they dont know about  Aion, "hope you stay in Lord of the rings when Aion has release" :)

To gain max level in Lineage 2 for 1 class .. and we are not talking hero class now but 1 max level. It would take you about 8 hours a day for about 1 and a half year !! I know since I played Lineage 2 since beta and beyond. But this was when the max level before so its prolly more now. No one wants to spend this time sitting at the computer that is why they got alot of bots.

Originally posted by patrikd23

Lineage 2 is a grind game. And Aion is not. But like I said to everyone else talking about shit they dont know about  Aion, "hope you stay in Lord of the rings when Aion has release" :)

 

To gain max level in Lineage 2 for 1 class .. and we are not talking hero class now but 1 max level. It would take you about 8 hours a day for about 1 and a half year !! I know since I played Lineage 2 since beta and beyond. But this was when the max level before so its prolly more now. No one wants to spend this time sitting at the computer that is why they got alot of bots.

 

maybe i didnt understand the problem at hand but it seems like people are not using bots for leveling. only goldsellers farming low level areas and i can understand its annoying to see some character stuck to a tree branch trying to run through.

Originally posted by patrikd23

Originally posted by rvjones10

Hmmm, I played lineage2 for a long time and for some reason this does not suprise me. It would seem that NCsoft doesn't care about bots as long as the subs are good.

 

Lineage 2 is a grind game. And Aion is not. But like I said to everyone else talking about shit they dont know about  Aion, "hope you stay in Lord of the rings when Aion has release" :)

 

To gain max level in Lineage 2 for 1 class .. and we are not talking hero class now but 1 max level. It would take you about 8 hours a day for about 1 and a half year !! I know since I played Lineage 2 since beta and beyond. But this was when the max level before so its prolly more now. No one wants to spend this time sitting at the computer that is why they got alot of bots.

 

You must have not played recently, because there were nobles within 1 month of Luna launch, and legit ppl hitting lvl 75 in 3-4 weeks on Gracia.

and Falfeir, try having bots that hog every single lvling spot in L2, and are often protected by a high lvl char, or watching a bot party login the second a raid boss spawn, kill the raid boss, take the loot, then logout. Or going into a town and seeing 20 bots killing themselves off guards so they can delvl. Those are real bot problems that were/are in L2...Aion isnt 10% as bad.