Originally posted by gorgondo

 

Now that that's out of the way, while I don't view it with quite as harsh an opinion as others, I do firmly believe that those who would (or do) commit suicide deserve no sympathy, no special treatment.  If they are willing to selfishly give up and leave those that love them behind to pick up the pieces and trudge on with that added emptiness, then they deserve the death they have bestowed upon themselves and should be thrown out with yesterday's trash.

People who commit suicide aren't selfish. They are in trouble and need help and love.

Don't be so ignorant to think that it's all their fault. I was lucky enough I had people around me who cared. I hope everyone has those.

Originally posted by InTheSea

Originally posted by Flummoxed

i make no apologies at all for being a heartless bastard when i say:

Suicide = evolution in action, survival of the mentally Fit.

 

You are heartless, really, you are a dispicable excuse for a human being if that's how you think about life. he's not a dispicable excuse for a human being just as your not. everyone has different opinions, downgrading, belittling, or ostrasizing peoples view when it doesn't relate to your own, shows lack of perspective. just like the other guy i dont kick a person while their down, if they need help and ask for it, i will give it to them, but if they go through with the act thats their choice they made the intent.

I hope I never meet people like you in RL. You're lucky someone doesn't toss your ass in jail for saying that. no one can toss his ass in jail for saying that. last time I remember, it was called "freedom of speech". you may not agree with it, but its his view, and you should respect it as we respect your view on the matter. Getting mad shows you have a "intolerance" for others views when it's not similar to yours.

Next time you are down, I hope for your own sake, that no one kicks you down in the ground like you do others, or it might be you thinks about suicide. And for your sake, when that time comes for you, I hope you have people around you who aren't so heartless as yourself and talk  you out of it.

in the end some people are winners, and some people are quitters(metarphorically that is). the world isn't this candy coated wonderland where everything is dealt with in an ideal way, there are tragedies, there are people who are going to slip through the system and there is nothing you can do on a statistical level. its err to be human, face it, realize it rather than put your head in the ground thinking false ideals of the world that aren't there.

People commit suicide for their own reasons, and agenda. If people want to commit suicide I say let them its not your place to stop them, its their own body. Everyone wants to control and sort everyone's problems out rather than their own. If the person can have the gumption to get help, by all means, give it to them. but if they are intent on self terminating themselves, it was meant to be.

as far as my time? Im sure i will hve my family there by my side, but it won't be due to suicide you can be certain of that. I am "stronger" than that. frankly I feel its a logical end to a illogical choice. for alot of people it erases the erroneous genetic make up they would of "contributed" to the human-gene pool allowing for a more systematic and more genuine evolved human genome that is less riddled by mental illness, physical anomalies, genetic markers prone to cancers, parkinson's, tourettes, you name it.

Suicide is a human related form of "self-culling" (sped up the natural process of death, shall we say) just as the sick animal gets taken out by a predator and the healthy animals get to live, this is a natural biological "cleansing"  of the human biology/psyche allowing for more mentally fit/intelligent, and physically fit individuals to prosper.

hate me if you wish, but there is a rhyme and reason for everything. regardless if you approve of it or not.

 

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Originally posted by hidden1
we have lost our common sense due to all these friggin lawyers... ugh... just as dumb as that lady winning the lawsuit against McDonalds for spilling hot coffee on herself
common sense, where for art thou???

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She actually lost on appeal!

How very sad that that child felt the "need" to lie that way. I hope his situation rattles his senses and makes him realize how daft he was for pretending to be suicidal.

I flippin' HATE when people do that. It's not funny and it's not something to be joked about. I've been around suicidal people and have known those to have done it. It really isn't a laughing matter.

Of course online you find a lot of jerks who think it is funny. And if you don't laugh then you need a thicker skin. Whatever happened to treating others as you'd want to be treated?

It's just too damned easy to hide behind words these days.

Originally posted by stonylein

lol thats really hilarious...

...makes me laugh to see what desperate measures the kids from today make just to get some item ingame, only because they lack the skill to do this themselves ingame.

Whats even funnier,It does not take any skill at all other than maybe Arena play (and that has its limits)to gain items in wow. The new dungeons are really easy,pvp items are not hard to get if you stick with it,and finally you still can craft good items for yourself  if needed. WoW with its Daily quests and rep epics is without a dought one of the easiest mmo's out there if you have time.

Blizzard being concerned? NO. Its Blizzard avoiding another sue over another BS suicide. Thats why they have a zero tolerance policy on this kind of stuff. They have to take their finger out of their own ass, and smell the sh*t that they made since WoW's release.

I'm saying, in this situation I'd ignore the little turd. Those who cheat are obviously not the ones that are obsessed with it. Because, they simply don't care about the game (if its going to be broken over your cheap ass cheating). Getting police and lawyers involved in this trash, I swear, its something that makes me want to go and nuke the buildings that house the servers.

I used to respect Blizzard, before they became a mindless, money raking machine (anti-sue policies are just another measure to make sure the money goes straight in the greedy little asses). Before they started make sh*t game (yes, I mean WoW as it is now) and banning/suspending people for the most utterly ridiculous reasons. They've just about given GM/Moderator powers, to THE most retarded people on the face of the planet.

All they have going for them is WoW, once that dies (and yes it will). They will turn into nothing. Though they will be a pile of nothing with tons of cash.

I had someone who was suicidal ingame once, I didn't know how to deal with it so petitioned a gm to talk to them. Then again looking back, maybe she wasn't as she talked about stuff like the black sabbath. So maybe she was a goth or something.

lmao

Stupid idiot kid.

For once in the history of my dealings with Blizzard I think they were spot on. They did exactly what they should have done and they should keep pushing every charge against the little punk to teach all the little punks out there who want to pull this kind of trash exactly what will happen to them if they are caught doing something like this.

To everyone debating their positions on suicide on this post.

I believe its the hardest thing anyone would have to do in their life....and so did Japanese Samurai.

In fact they considered it an Honorable Death, hence why there was so many Japanese volunteering for Kamakaze Missions.  Japan has the worlds highest Suicide rate even today, and its simply because they do not look upon suicide the same way everyone else does.

This isn't saying suicide is ok.  Im just pointing out that nobody has ever returned from death and painted a clear picture of what they saw......if you believe in afterlife to begin with...

  eh?

Pointless why I should be saying anything, but i think people are ignorant and too prone to organized religion brainwashing.

Originally posted by jmwiens

What if he really was suicidal?  Would they still have arrested him instead of getting him help?  Threatening suicide should get you a trip to the hospital not jail.

Jmwiens,

As a former corrections officer in the local county/city jail system of my area, I can tell you they did the correct thing here.  It is a misdemeanor to commit suicide...sounds dumb, but that's the law.  What happens is that when an inmate is brought into the intake of the local jail, he/she is placed immediately on suicide watch and the local psychiatric ward is contacted.  The inmate is removed of all clothing/items to prevent themselves from being able to hurt themselves and placed in solitary until a representative from the nearest psychiatric ward has a chance to interview/evaluate them.  The inmate is then either admitted to the psychiatric ward or allowed to bond out/remain in jail.  It's a process that allows the victim protection, solitary confinement, and the chance to get help (if needed).  There's small percentage that *actually* need help.  Most are punk kids that want attention/drugs, but a few are in serious need of help and this is the only way that they could get it.  I just thought that I'd clear up the process that's involved.  I had no idea how it worked either until I was responsible for more than one case, personally.

Peace.

Originally posted by RipperLord

Blizzard being concerned? NO. Its Blizzard avoiding another sue over another BS suicide. Thats why they have a zero tolerance policy on this kind of stuff. They have to take their finger out of their own ass, and smell the sh*t that they made since WoW's release.

I'm saying, in this situation I'd ignore the little turd. Those who cheat are obviously not the ones that are obsessed with it. Because, they simply don't care about the game (if its going to be broken over your cheap ass cheating). Getting police and lawyers involved in this trash, I swear, its something that makes me want to go and nuke the buildings that house the servers.

I used to respect Blizzard, before they became a mindless, money raking machine (anti-sue policies are just another measure to make sure the money goes straight in the greedy little asses). Before they started make sh*t game (yes, I mean WoW as it is now) and banning/suspending people for the most utterly ridiculous reasons. They've just about given GM/Moderator powers, to THE most retarded people on the face of the planet.

All they have going for them is WoW, once that dies (and yes it will). They will turn into nothing. Though they will be a pile of nothing with tons of cash.

Sounds like you were someone that was banned.  Blizzard GM's are people, bud.  The guy that called 911 made the correct call.  Who's to say that he wasn't concerned for this young person?  No one knows.  By the way, if you're hoping for WoW to fail, and that right soon, I'm afraid you're in for a long wait.  11 million subscribers will guarantee this mmo life-giving breath for sometime.  I'm currently not playing WoW, but I can see why it's successful.

It never ceases to amaze me that people blame Blizzard for *everything* once their account gets banned.  Blizzard doesn't ban accounts for no reason.  But, it's their right if they did.  It's their game.  I played from 2006 to 2008 and never once ever worried about my account getting banned.  But, a friend of mine who can be very abrasive, made some *colorful* remarks to GM's (not the smartest action to take), which almost ended his playing there.  He had his account banned for short periods of time (weekend here and there), until they threatened to ban it permanently.  However, it has yet to be banned.  This has happened not to long ago, so Blizzard is showing pretty good restraint here.

But, you have a right to your opinion.  Some of your *facts* may be wrong, such as WoW the *only* thing Blizzard has going for them (Diablo 3, Starcraft 2 anyone?), but you have a right to not like Blizzard.

Peace.

Originally posted by gorgondo

Originally posted by Royou

From the majority of post's I get the feeling that most of you have never had to deal with suicide with a family member, friend or somebody close, if you had your views on it would be considerably different.

Let me ask you a question, what would be your reaction, to a school kid that is bullied, beaten up on a daily basis, is ridiculed by everybody, who has tried to get help, can't tell his parent as the are high on drugs or drunk all the time, and they are not interested every time he has approached them, what would your comments be then, that he was a weak twat and did not deserve to live? who are we to judge whom should or should not live, I myself if approached by him would do all that I could to help him, if he still did take his own life, the I would morn his loss, and feel that I had failed him. It takes a lot of guts to take your own life, and is not an easy act, our natural instinct is for self preservation and this goes against that, for many suicide is to them their only option, I say give them help and compassion and help them work through and over their problems.

Let me give you another instance. What would your comments be, to a girl of 15 that has been abused for all her life, physically and sexually, has been forced to have countless abortions, she has tried to get help, has told the teachers, but they didn't believe her, so she stopped going to school, has tried many times to run away from home, but is found and then dragged home, beaten then abused, is told that if she tells the police that she will be killed, her mother is an alcoholic and a drug addict, what would you say then if she saw the only way out, was to end her suffering? what would you view of this be?

Don't say that I've made this up, in my line of work we hear of incidents like this on a weekly basis, most have a good out come, but there as still the sad few that slip through the system.
 

 

I had an uncle commit suicide, we weren't particularly close, but we did share a roof.

Now that that's out of the way, while I don't view it with quite as harsh an opinion as others, I do firmly believe that those who would (or do) commit suicide deserve no sympathy, no special treatment.  If they are willing to selfishly give up and leave those that love them behind to pick up the pieces and trudge on with that added emptiness, then they deserve the death they have bestowed upon themselves and should be thrown out with yesterday's trash.

I find that I'm still angry with my uncle 8 years after the fact.  He left a family behind who almost lost everything because they were thrust into a financial pitfall.

Let the weak fade, and pray they don't drag the innocent down with them.

So, the aforementioned girl that's been abused her entire life is weak?  I think your response is weak, friend.  You may think that your uncle was selfish, and he very well may have been.  But, you may change your mind after a few years are behind you.  Then again, you may not.  It's different for everyone.

Thank goodness for caring people in this world, because *ANYONE* can be pushed over the edge... anyone.  All it takes is constant pressure.  Nobody withstands constant pressure...nobody.  EVERYONE has a breaking point.  Some just withstand better than others.

Peace.

I know 2 people that commited suicide that were heavy WoW players. They didn't wanna work. They became anti-social. They didn't want to do anything except sleep, eat and play WoW. It's really quite sad and what is more sad is how many people don't even care...

I don't see why people find it neccessary to 'outlaw' suicide. If someone sincerely hates their life and wants to kill themselves, I say let them do it! If it's that bad, keeping them in the world is only hurting them. Now, obviously this kid is a tool because all he wanted was an item, but he shouldn't have been arrested. Just tell the parents and have them deal with it. Authorities are not god figures, and law shouldn't have an impact on whether a person wants to live or die.

I just want to point this out for anyone who is saying that the authorities shouldn't have been involved or anything similar to that. Here's something to think about. If you truly want to kill yourself because life is so bad then why would you call someone to tell them your going to do it unless 1. Your just looking for attention or 2. Your crying out for help. If its one then I still stand by what I said earlier they should lock you up and teach you just how much you don't want attention for something like this. If its two then they should still lock you up and put you on 24 hr watch until they can get you the help you really need. If someone wants to really kill themself because they truely believe death is better than the life they are living they're not going to call someone and tell them what they are about to do. They just do it. I answered these types of calls for four years and got the calls from both when people said they wanted to commit suicide and the ones from people that had found someone that had actually done it. Every one of them that called to say they were going to do never did it. It was always the quiet ones. I'm speaking from actual experience with this. Not just what I think happens based on absolute trash i've seen on tv or what i can pull out of my rear like half the people i've seen on here post have obviously done. Understand if your speaking from experience I'm not talking about you. I'm talking about all the ones who just throw their opinions out there without researching the subject at all or don't have any kind of life experience to base their's on.

that's just what we call children. similar things happen almost everywhere and everytime.

children always cry or quarrel for the purpose to get sth they want from their parents.

hope that only apply to the unmature children

Originally posted by nakuma

either way you slice it, suicide is an act i have no sympathy for. alot of people commit suicide for stupid, selfish reasons. some yeah, could be attributed to mental illness, that I have no problems with, as they are not "wired" properly in the brain.

but you would be surprised how many people commit suicide for selfish, retarded reasons, their bf or gf left them, they think everyone is against them, or people are conspiring to bring them down, or something so ridiculous you think, what is going on in their head that they are doing this? I feel if you cant seek help, or not willing to seek help, you know what the end result is going to be here is the razor, you got 5 minutes. alot of people balk suicide for attention. their way of crying out for help. or seeking attention "me me me" attitude. but in the end for me as far as im concerned its nothing more than a selfish act of quiting on life. I wont stop a person from commiting suicide.

they have set on a path to take themselves out, its their final attempt at regaining control of their own problem by solving it for good. who am i to stop them? this who legality BS about oh they shouldnt be able to commit suicide? I say let them. I am going to live my life irregardless if they slit their wrists or not.

and the BS  I went thru isnt hardship? how convenient.  but timmy, or sally going through emotional strife rebeling against the norm is?

Indeed. Suicide is the easy way out of problems. Got no sympathy for them either, unless mental illness is a catalyst.

There was this dude I met a few times many years back. Didn't know him personally but he seemed like an ok guy. Friend of a friend sort of fellow. He was seperated from his wife and had been so for a very long time, some 5-10 years or so. They had 3 children together, all boys. One day he suddenly decided to put a shotgun under his chin and pull the trigger, leaving his children without a father and with alot of unanswered questions. His friends called him a coward for doing it. They never told me what they suspected triggered it, and I don't care nor want to know. Nothing, I repeat nothing in life is so hard you can't find a way out of it. His act was an act of selfishness as he left those boys in the dark, his ex without support for the children and his friends with repulsiveness for what he did.

So yeah, got no sympathy for suicide. They need help though, but if they decide against it, good riddance. You just got to hope they don't drag too many people with them down the shithole they decided to dig for themselfes.

the matter should be taken seriously. if one  accept others requirements under such condition, it won't help anyone in the fact.

if there's someone talking to me in this way, i must regard it as a joke