Originally posted by Zorndorf

Originally posted by Quizzical

WoW serves a critical role for the MMORPG industry.  It brings in people who never played an MMORPG before, due to Blizzard's effective marketing of the game outside of gaming circles.

Most of the people that WoW brings in would have liked some other game better than WoW.  (That's not a knock on WoW; there is no game that an outright majority of players would agree is the best ever.)  Once they've had enough of WoW, they're more likely to move on to some other game than to quit MMORPGs entirely.  And that means more players for other MMORPGs, which means more money for the industry, more games made, larger playerbases for the games that are made, and various other good things.

WoW dying would be quite a bad thing for the industry unless some other game is there to fill its role in bringing new players in.  WoW is hardly the only game that could possibly do that, of course; in South Korea, it was Lineage that filled that role, not WoW.  But it takes both polish and marketing savvy, and most companies don't seem to have that much of the latter.

 

Apart from marketing, Blizzard makes good games and good stories. Most forget this.

Nintendo does the same with the console market btw. Tx to Wii and DS the industry is alive, despite PS3 and XBox platforms for a 256417th version of a brainless FPS.

Blizzard is the Nintendo of the PC games market, without Wow, the PC game market and MMORPG's would have died in these past 3 years.

I can't believe ANY other MMORPG could have had the role Wow played these years. Only a very small minority want to pay for a subscription if you see the "standards" these games offer today.

 

Certainly, WoW is polished.  But a good storyline?  WoW doesn't even have a coherent storyline, let alone a good one.  There are a bunch of scattered bits and fragments that mostly come down to, boss X must die because it drops epics.

And no, Blizzard isn't similar to Nintendo at all.  Nintendo specializes in innovation, and is the only established company that comes to mind to do so.  Indeed, sometimes Nintendo seems to take risks for the sake of taking risks, while most companies do the opposite.  Nintendo is very hit and miss, and has some spectacular misses (anyone remember Virtual Boy?).

Blizzard's specialty is not innovation, but polish.  What does WoW do that hadn't already been done by some other game?  Blizzard's insight was that copying other games isn't such a detriment  if you can successfully market your game to people who haven't played those other games.

Originally posted by Quizzical

Originally posted by Zorndorf

Originally posted by Quizzical

WoW serves a critical role for the MMORPG industry.  It brings in people who never played an MMORPG before, due to Blizzard's effective marketing of the game outside of gaming circles.

Most of the people that WoW brings in would have liked some other game better than WoW.  (That's not a knock on WoW; there is no game that an outright majority of players would agree is the best ever.)  Once they've had enough of WoW, they're more likely to move on to some other game than to quit MMORPGs entirely.  And that means more players for other MMORPGs, which means more money for the industry, more games made, larger playerbases for the games that are made, and various other good things.

WoW dying would be quite a bad thing for the industry unless some other game is there to fill its role in bringing new players in.  WoW is hardly the only game that could possibly do that, of course; in South Korea, it was Lineage that filled that role, not WoW.  But it takes both polish and marketing savvy, and most companies don't seem to have that much of the latter.

 

Apart from marketing, Blizzard makes good games and good stories. Most forget this.

Nintendo does the same with the console market btw. Tx to Wii and DS the industry is alive, despite PS3 and XBox platforms for a 256417th version of a brainless FPS.

Blizzard is the Nintendo of the PC games market, without Wow, the PC game market and MMORPG's would have died in these past 3 years.

I can't believe ANY other MMORPG could have had the role Wow played these years. Only a very small minority want to pay for a subscription if you see the "standards" these games offer today.

 

 

Certainly, WoW is polished.  But a good storyline?  WoW doesn't even have a coherent storyline, let alone a good one.  There are a bunch of scattered bits and fragments that mostly come down to, boss X must die because it drops epics.

And no, Blizzard isn't similar to Nintendo at all.  Nintendo specializes in innovation, and is the only established company that comes to mind to do so.  Indeed, sometimes Nintendo seems to take risks for the sake of taking risks, while most companies do the opposite.  Nintendo is very hit and miss, and has some spectacular misses (anyone remember Virtual Boy?).

Blizzard's specialty is not innovation, but polish.  What does WoW do that hadn't already been done by some other game?  Blizzard's insight was that copying other games isn't such a detriment  if you can successfully market your game to people who haven't played those other games.

Name an mmo that does have a good story line i dare you. You can't but sure you can try.

I am replying to the guy that said "name an MMO that has a good storyline"   I refer again to Asheron's Call...  story was unique, the mobs were unique... and to the people that use ALL these add ons   i ask  WHY???   its like these single player games that people cant wait to come out and BAMM!!!  they use the cheat codes and such... I say again TRY using your head... hmm maybe they dont have one.. sorry to those that do not, my bad... :)

And I am sorry for goin off topic... to the MAIN  answer to the op's question... I do NOT hope  WoW dies... I dont wish any mmo to die... i want them to get better for those people that play them... and hope you all enjoy what you are playing.. so we dont avhe to bash any games... but enjoy them.. If wow died  watch out, because  your mmo would be next...I tend to think that WoW was a stepping stone to bigger and better MMO's  and i am still waiting for a truely great mmo to come out.. that i can use my head in ...  my hopes are, Darkfall, Earthrise, and some other one i saw recently and i cant think of its name but it looked even better than AoC...

Originally posted by Zorndorf

CONSISTENT lore than World of Warcraft.

Consistent?  even Blizzard admits they rewrote existing lore with Burning Crusade

www.wowwiki.com/Metzen_on_lore

Hit #1: Lore Train-Wreck
Right To be totally up-front with you guys, it's my bad, straight up. The obvious lore contradiction with Sargeras and his encounter with the eredar was clearly documented in the Warcraft III manual. I wrote those bits about four years ago, and to be totally honest, I simply forgot. Genius, right? With my excitement to get the draenei up to speed and root them more firmly in the setting, I forgot to do my homework and go back over my earlier writing. I can assure you, no ones more crushed about this mistake than I am. Ive spent the last few days kicking my own ass over this one. Sucks to fail. It may not always be evident, but we take this story stuff really seriously at Blizzard. It's been one of my personal missions at this company to maintain a high level of integrity throughout the Warcraft game setting (all of them, actually) and I think weve done a pretty decent job of upholding the continuity over the years.

I think it's important to note that world building is far bigger than just storytelling, and it requires (in my humble opinion) a certain amount of flexibility.

Originally posted by Zorndorf

Originally posted by Quizzical

WoW serves a critical role for the MMORPG industry.  It brings in people who never played an MMORPG before, due to Blizzard's effective marketing of the game outside of gaming circles.

Most of the people that WoW brings in would have liked some other game better than WoW.  (That's not a knock on WoW; there is no game that an outright majority of players would agree is the best ever.)  Once they've had enough of WoW, they're more likely to move on to some other game than to quit MMORPGs entirely.  And that means more players for other MMORPGs, which means more money for the industry, more games made, larger playerbases for the games that are made, and various other good things.

WoW dying would be quite a bad thing for the industry unless some other game is there to fill its role in bringing new players in.  WoW is hardly the only game that could possibly do that, of course; in South Korea, it was Lineage that filled that role, not WoW.  But it takes both polish and marketing savvy, and most companies don't seem to have that much of the latter.

 

Apart from marketing, Blizzard makes good games and good stories. Most forget this.

Nintendo does the same with the console market btw. Tx to Wii and DS the industry is alive, despite PS3 and XBox platforms for a 256417th version of a brainless FPS.

Blizzard is the Nintendo of the PC games market, without Wow, the PC game market and MMORPG's would have died in these past 3 years.

I can't believe ANY other MMORPG could have had the role Wow played these years. Only a very small minority want to pay for a subscription if you see the "standards" these games offer today.

To begin with: I am always surprised how bad the animation and controls are in those other MMO's. They all look like stiff puppets with a stick in their asses. And the more "realistc" the more helpless controls and animations look.

That's only one observation to start with, I will not even mention the 313 other obvious elements those "better" MMO's lack.

 

Nintendo does not bring people into the console business, it's the least popurlar console out of xbox360 and ps3. I mean it does bring some, but not alot.

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Originally posted by Nadia
I dont want any online game to die -- every game has its fans

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Amen.

We should all be thinking this way. Each game appeals to certain people, and instead of fighting about which is best, we should applaud them for what merits they do have. We should be providing constructive criticism.

Now, the companies, we can yell at them. If they behave in a way we do not like, we should call them on it. That is the only way they can know what the consumer wants.

Name an mmo that does have a good story line i dare you. You can't but sure you can try.

 

GW but its all opinion.

OT- No I don't want any mmo to die.

i hope it doesn't because if it did and we do get a good game come out they'll be flocking to that one ruining it with their "Barrens chat".

but seriously while i played wow had my fun and moved on, people still love the game and i hope they're able too keep having fun playing it.I kno for some reason people on here are dying for a "WoW killer" game but i could careless.i'm just hoping for a game I LOVE with a good comunity like eqoa had when i played and rather it not have millions and millions of people playing it.over populated games tend to have more ass hats in them.just like i've always liked small tight knit family style guilds more compared to the large raiding guilds.

careful guys, this topic is loaded. Anyone who speaks against WoW is getting warnings and bans, and having their posts deleted.

Hell, I'll probably get banned for posting this. Seems people were right when they warned me that the mods on this site were paid shills.

Originally posted by Pentamorph

careful guys, this topic is loaded. Anyone who speaks against WoW is getting warnings and bans, and having their posts deleted.

Hell, I'll probably get banned for posting this. Seems people were right when they warned me that the mods on this site were paid shills.

 

Funny you should say that. I got some warning for saying swg was dead.. lol

I cant see wow dying .. going to take one heck of a MMO to do that..

I have posted here today a couple of times.. I do not know WHO would want an MMO to fail.. I think the idea is not a good one for the industry as a whole.. I play wow at the moment.. but i tell you this.. as soon as i have had my fun with Northrend (Lich king stuff) I will be needing another MMO just like the otehr people playing... Mostly I stay where my friends have gone.. And most of them are alike as they are having fun doin whatever they are doing.. I hope they continue to upgrade and such with wow..

Blizzard makes a fun game.. tehy always have (Diablo days)  When Diablo 3 comes out i am sure i will try that as well..  personally?? I wish they would come out with a version of Starcraft Online..  would taht be interesting or what??   RvR      Terrans, Zerg, or Protoss guys???  tell me that wouldnt be a kick!!!!

I'd careless.I played It for awhile & even bought Wrath of the Lich King,but I don't think It justified.Not much of a Warcraft fan anyways.All games die.I've seen some former popular games croak & games like SWG Is on It's way when The Old Republic Online comes out.

/sign

Only about 25% of the members EVEN HERE on this site have it in for WoW, they are just a VERY vocal minority. 

Now I do hope WoW adds player housing and some other features that they will never add.....

Originally posted by Carl132p 

Name an mmo that does have a good story line i dare you. You can't but sure you can try.

 

Guild Wars Prophecies has a good storyline.  Factions and Nightfall have a storyline that is at least coherent, which is more than can be said of WoW's.  Eye of the North has a jumbled mess of a storyline, more comparable to WoW.

I don't think that a storyline is all that important in an MMORPG.  But I'm not the one that brought it up.

Originally posted by Zorndorf

Your answer is proof you don't know anything about Warcraft and its world. You follow a myth created on the web.

It's a myth you can find on some Wow hating sites, but the fact is the complete Warcraft lore is there, it has nothing to do with Warhammer and stands already on its own feet since 1992.

I have in front of me a little booklet of 1992, with the Medivh Tower in Kararzahn, the Swamp of Sorrows, Elwyn Forest and many other Goldshires and Northshire Abbeys

A book written in 1992 is hardly the storyline for World of Warcraft in particular.  Any storyline components or explanation that never shows up in the game itself is not a storyline for that particular game.

Or would you argue that if one particular Zelda game had a good storyline, all future games in the series automatically have a good storyline, even if one is released with no text at all and even the gameplay doesn't make a bit of sense?

fantastically articulate response to the naysayers I was somewhat gobsmacked at the attitude that the storyline of wow was fragmented

Originally posted by Arthineas

Unless the game is an out right scam, I never understood why someone would want an mmorpg to die.  Choices are good and variety is the spice of life.  I may not play WoW anymore and it is certainly not my favorite.  But I am glad that it is still doing good.  I think that people who wish for an mmorpg to die are just being small minded and need to get a life.

QFT

Seriously, what ever happened to live and let live?

Blizzard =sub par SOE copies.

What is next?perhaps Blizzard is secretly watching the AGENCY?maybe we will see Agencycraft?lol and guess what it will be on the same warcraft engine lol,because they havn't a clue how to make a better engine lmao.Guess what ,because we can't make a decent looking game engine,we will just tell everyone ,we made it that way so the low end users could play it >>RFLMAO YA RIGHT.

Here we have the biggest gaming market on the planet in playstation users and Blizzard ignored them lmao .great ,CEO work .Does anyone still believe there cheap ass sub par verion of Everquest was to target the low end user?The ACTUAL reason was ,they wanted to rehash there old warcraft engine,because it was faster ,easier and less costly.What on earth did they actually spend all their money on?Did they just hire 300 people to walk around getting coffees for each other?

It was a nice strat for Blizzard,they must have had that one ready for the press,It was a WIN WIN for Blizzard,if they failed,then they could say well we only marketed one particular set of players,otherwise we could have sold a lot more.Then if they get lucky[witch they did]they can say "WE PLANNED IT THAT WAY"

I got  a reply from Zorndork  oops  my bad  Zorndorf :)   that stated I used some sort a add ons for questing and such... YOU are so mistaken.. it is even very rare that i use thottbot... if i do it was for recipes i wanted to find... i use NO add ons and never will..  as far as raiding i rarely do this for the fact its too much time and so little comes from it and the repair bills are enormous... and dealing with 20-30 other yahoos isnt my cup a tea

so before you spout off on who uses what... remember when you point  you have 3 fingers pointing back at you....   try it without those add ons and have a challenge for once...

LOL

I could not help but laugh when I saw the title of this thread.

Okay, so getting straight to the point... It does not make a difference weather "anyone actually hopes WoW doesn't die"? The truth of the matter is plain and simple.

World of Warcraft will die, it is inevitable. It is the history of the way things work in life. Don't get me wrong, it has had alot of life so far, with the four years and going. But you have to remember, as technology advances, as developers and game designers get better, and as the MMO market changes, World of Warcraft will slowly become shall we say, "outdated".  I know it may sound pessimistic but "hopes", my friend, is not enough to change that.

There is really no way to predict how much time World of Warcraft has left but I assure, it's days are numbered. For all we know, it could be detthroned and replaced by Blizzard themselves. However the case maybe, WoW will die and there will be something new to come along. The same applies for just about everything else in this world.