Originally posted by Reme2010

Originally posted by shrapnel20

Originally posted by Reme2010

Haven't checked out Mortal, but I believe it has a conventional level system, does it not?

 

it's skill-based.

 

Could very well be, but being a level-based system, being top-level will rape low levels with almost no chance of coming back.. quite easily :)

but there are no levels in MO. one big-ass skill tree where practice makes perfect. www.mortalonline.com/attributesskills

and a new guy can kill a veteran as player skill is always the determing factor.

Originally posted by Daedrick

@polyp

 Hmmm yeah sorry about my overly agressive post. I didnt take the time to read the FAQ myself. Anyway, the following text is from Mats Persson a developers.

 Quote:
Originally Posted by Parad1ne
As of right now there aren't. They aren't yet for sure if they plan to have them during travel to different continents or dungeons. We wont know until further testing, but they are aiming for no instances at all.

Mats Persson said; Traveling to other continents will most likely mean loading time (we're talking HUGE areas here). But there are no instances yet
 

Thats where I go this info.

No problem. I tend to be guilty of overly aggressive posts myself  In any case before I said "hard zoned and/or instanced" because it wasn't clear to me exactly what they were talking about. It looks like this game is still in its infancy so I'm sure a lot will change between now and release. I've just got somewhat spoiled because of WoWs seamless world and it seems like a step backwards to play a game with hard zone boundaries now. WotLK even has a kind of soft instancing which is kind of cool but a bit disconcerting if you are trying to follow someone and they fade out all of a sudden. In any case my ultimate is still a world big enough that you don't need instances at all.

LOL LOL calling MO Vapor LOL EPIC Games the guys who did Gears of war is a partner damn it and is providing the unreal engine they use!!!!!!!

Originally posted by Netzoko

Originally posted by Ihmotepp

Originally posted by Netzoko

The difference is simple.

Mortal has an -actual- developer making it. Its being made by a real company, with real investment. Darkfall is just an indy released doomed to the failure. A MMO needs a strong company to manage/payfor servers, legal fees, and everything else.

Mortal is worth looking forward to, DF is false hope.

 

Estimates are that the developers of Darkfall have spent somewhere between 10 and 12 MILLION US dollars. It's not a WoW budget or anything, but that sounds like a real company to me.

How much money is Mortal Online spending? I don't know.

You may dislike Darkfall because of gameplay, looks, etc., and like MO because of it's game play, looks, etc. and that's fine.

But I don't think the important part is which company spent the most money.

What makes a company "real"? I'd say spending 10 Mil is a real company. GAme may turn out to be shitty, but you're still a "real" company in my book if you spend 10 Mil or more on your product.

 

It has nothing to do with budget (Btw, 10 million for a game is a joke) but rather that Aventurine has made no other games.

They've never released a game, they have no real website. The contact page is just an email forward... I've seen more professional ebay scam sites. They don't even have a publisher. The point is that an MMO is not like a flash browser game that a group of kids make in their basement. It's a large scale ordeal, and you need an experienced company. You can't expect a quality product from some utterly unknown greek developer.

It has nothing to do with gameplay (not sure where that came from?). Aventurine isn't a real game company.

 

 Adventurine IS a real game company whether you want to believe it or not ). As for there website check this out. "A new website is under development and we hope it will be finished in time for the launch."-By Tasos on the latest update. Must I remind you that Wow's website was just as scrappy before release.

The company is far from being "ran from a basement.  They are a real company trying to start somewhere, and if people like you want to persist giving indie developers no chance at all gaming will go nowhere.

Originally posted by downtoearth 

lol how many do think actully post? out of allt he rigisterd user i bet oyur the majority isnt complete arses

granated theres is a few on the forums i want ot punch my fist throw there teeth. i mean letting a few peole keep youf rom playing a game its pretty stupid

To be honest I don't care what it is. I've watched plenty of games get hyped up, but none of them had such a terrible community pre-release. What makes Darkfall so immune to the bad community bug if all the signs are there? Also, considering the game is a niche game that hasn't been marketed much at all, those people on the forums are most likely going to be the majority of the community anyway - at least at release. 

Originally posted by Mushukyou 

Wow, you're some sort of idiot.  Much like the other babblers on here.  So basically, by your logic, unknown companies can't produce good games?  Yea, grow a brain.

And the rest of you idiots who are saying: "I don't want to play the game because of how they talk to me in the forum - they hurt my feewings".  Whatever? Yes, many of them are idiots and talk trash, but oh well.  I just chalk it up to a lot of kids on the boards.  And your conclusion that you won't play the game because they hurt your feelings is a non-sequitur.  If the game is good, WHICH IT IS, because it's being played in beta and they love it, then that's reason enough to play it. 

Measuring up the distinctions between MO and DF, I find that DF has a bit more freedom.
And since freedom > eye candy,  DF wins.

It's not about how 'perty' a game looks, it's how it plays.  And it's not "brown and ugly".  You're comparing very early shots and videos to the game.  It's far, far from that.

In any case, all you idiots who are saying DF is going to be a failure, when it already shows it's a winner since people are already playing it, well, all I have to say is that we'll just see who has more subscribers, MO or DF by the end of 2009.  My prediction is that MO won't make it's summer launch, but if it does, and it gives everything it promises, it might be competition.  But with more freedom in DF, it's hard to say.  I won't make a prediction on the amount of subscribers to both, all I'm going to say is 'may the best game win'.

I will be playing DF until MO decides to release, and then I'll try MO.  If MO doesn't sway me or give me as much freedom or more, then I'm sticking with DF.  And since DF is all about being as realistic as possible in some aspects, such as no buffs and no invisible spells, the awesome fighting, etc, MO will be hard pressed to compete unless they follow DF's lead and try to output more.

 

Just please, stop with your "DF forum people hurt my feewings, so I won't play the game" crap.  If the game is good, you'll play it.  Stop venting like a wussy on these forums.  Yes, many DF forum posters are stupid kids. 

But know this, I think you'll find that when graphics are paid a lot of attention to, gameplay lacks.

And excuse me, but where are you grabbing this pie in the sky "they hurt my feelings BS from?" The community over on those forums, and this one too, sucks. Haha, if you think a couple of children on the internet hurt my feelings you're highly mistaken. What you don't seem to be getting is that people do not want to play with such people.

Judging by the general manner in which you word your posts, you're a typical example of why I don't want to play the game. You have no way of speaking to people and get worked up over people not liking something about the game. Thanks, but no thanks.

The MMORPG.com community is far worse than Darkfall's.

You people don't understand anything about MMO's, and you talk bad about MMO's you know nothing about, just because it doesn't have pretty graphics. The Darkfall community is a mature one, but when kids (mainly from this site) come over there and start asking stupid questions  and screaming vaporware, what do you expect?

The Darkfall community at least has respect for people who like different kinds of games, unlike the MMORPG.com community.

Originally posted by Fargin

The MMORPG.com community is far worse than Darkfall's.

You people don't understand anything about MMO's, and you talk bad about MMO's you know nothing about, just because it doesn't have pretty graphics. The Darkfall community is a mature one, but when kids (mainly from this site) come over there and start asking stupid questions  and screaming vaporware, what do you expect?

The Darkfall community at least has respect for people who like different kinds of games, unlike the MMORPG.com community.

That is the biggest load of BS I have ever heard. 

How, then, do you explain the rampant childishness going on over in the Darkfall section from the Darkfall fans? I will be the first to admit that there is definitely vapourware trolls, but there is no doubt in my mind that there is just as many fanboys over on those parts. 

I take it you're a Darkfall fan...so let's analyse your post:

1) You make sweeping statements and assumptions you have no way of backing up ("you talk bad about MMO's you know nothing about," for example)

2) Somehow expect us to believe the Darkfall community is a mature one when simply reading through the hype list and game rating list on this site there are posts such as "looks cool but Darkfall is better!! - 1"

3) In order to try and get your apparent point across, you result to personally attacking the members of this site as a whole. And of course you, being the all-knowing being you are, know the age of the general populace of this site.

4) Despite the community's apparent maturity, it lacks the simple value of tolerance ("...when kids come over there and start asking stupid questions...") and clearly isn't in the least helpful or interested in educating and welcoming new people to the community (because, hell, such a niche game is going to need all the people it can get).

5) You go around preaching respect yet you so blatanty disrespect the members of this site, when it's clear you're pissed off with the small minority (because, once again, the majority couldn't give a flying duck about Darkfall).

So please, next time you decide to post remember that you aren't talking to the Darkfall community and are in fact addressing a group of people that do not take kindly to BS.

Originally posted by Lydon

Originally posted by Mushukyou 

Wow, you're some sort of idiot.  Much like the other babblers on here.  So basically, by your logic, unknown companies can't produce good games?  Yea, grow a brain.

And the rest of you idiots who are saying: "I don't want to play the game because of how they talk to me in the forum - they hurt my feewings".  Whatever? Yes, many of them are idiots and talk trash, but oh well.  I just chalk it up to a lot of kids on the boards.  And your conclusion that you won't play the game because they hurt your feelings is a non-sequitur.  If the game is good, WHICH IT IS, because it's being played in beta and they love it, then that's reason enough to play it. 

Measuring up the distinctions between MO and DF, I find that DF has a bit more freedom.
And since freedom > eye candy,  DF wins.

It's not about how 'perty' a game looks, it's how it plays.  And it's not "brown and ugly".  You're comparing very early shots and videos to the game.  It's far, far from that.

In any case, all you idiots who are saying DF is going to be a failure, when it already shows it's a winner since people are already playing it, well, all I have to say is that we'll just see who has more subscribers, MO or DF by the end of 2009.  My prediction is that MO won't make it's summer launch, but if it does, and it gives everything it promises, it might be competition.  But with more freedom in DF, it's hard to say.  I won't make a prediction on the amount of subscribers to both, all I'm going to say is 'may the best game win'.

I will be playing DF until MO decides to release, and then I'll try MO.  If MO doesn't sway me or give me as much freedom or more, then I'm sticking with DF.  And since DF is all about being as realistic as possible in some aspects, such as no buffs and no invisible spells, the awesome fighting, etc, MO will be hard pressed to compete unless they follow DF's lead and try to output more.

 

Just please, stop with your "DF forum people hurt my feewings, so I won't play the game" crap.  If the game is good, you'll play it.  Stop venting like a wussy on these forums.  Yes, many DF forum posters are stupid kids. 

But know this, I think you'll find that when graphics are paid a lot of attention to, gameplay lacks.

And excuse me, but where are you grabbing this pie in the sky "they hurt my feelings BS from?" The community over on those forums, and this one too, sucks. Haha, if you think a couple of children on the internet hurt my feelings you're highly mistaken. What you don't seem to be getting is that people do not want to play with such people.

Judging by the general manner in which you word your posts, you're a typical example of why I don't want to play the game. You have no way of speaking to people and get worked up over people not liking something about the game. Thanks, but no thanks.

then dont play then go play wow or some other game dont see why you dont get friends to play with and oyud ont have to worry about other people but if youc ant take any kinda flaming on some stupid forum how the helly oug oign to take full loot and ffa pvp youc ouldnt thats the point

as long as people dont go over baord with killing there won race and everything works the way the devs plan i bet you the df community will be far better than wows. it could be as good as swg pre cu community

btw what other forum allows us to be asses ? pre game none that i can think of thats why df forums seem worse but in reality it isnt

Originally posted by DragonMyth88

LOL LOL calling MO Vapor LOL EPIC Games the guys who did Gears of war is a partner damn it and is providing the unreal engine they use!!!!!!!

LOL must be one heavenly modded unreal engine then guess you will see but meh doesnt really matter df will be a better game int he log run Mo is for gfx people

Originally posted by downtoearth 

then dont play then go play wow or some other game dont see why you dont get friends to play with and oyud ont have to worry about other people but if youc ant take any kinda flaming on some stupid forum how the helly oug oign to take full loot and ffa pvp youc ouldnt thats the point

as long as people dont go over baord with killing there won race and everything works the way the devs plan i bet you the df community will be far better than wows. it could be as good as swg pre cu community

btw what other forum allows us to be asses ? pre game none that i can think of thats why df forums seem worse but in reality it isnt

Wow....that was a mouthful. I'm surprised I got through it. 

As I previously said, I am indeed playing other games and at this point in time have absolutely no intention of playing Darkfall. I do indeed play with a number of friends, as a matter of fact. 

With regards to flaming - I can take it alright. But I certainly don't willingly take it. Gaming is meant to be fun, and, quite frankly, the Darkfall community is not. 

Originally posted by Lydon

Originally posted by downtoearth 

then dont play then go play wow or some other game dont see why you dont get friends to play with and oyud ont have to worry about other people but if youc ant take any kinda flaming on some stupid forum how the helly oug oign to take full loot and ffa pvp youc ouldnt thats the point

as long as people dont go over baord with killing there won race and everything works the way the devs plan i bet you the df community will be far better than wows. it could be as good as swg pre cu community

btw what other forum allows us to be asses ? pre game none that i can think of thats why df forums seem worse but in reality it isnt

Wow....that was a mouthful. I'm surprised I got through it. 

As I previously said, I am indeed playing other games and at this point in time have absolutely no intention of playing Darkfall. I do indeed play with a number of friends, as a matter of fact. 

With regards to flaming - I can take it alright. But I certainly don't willingly take it. Gaming is meant to be fun, and, quite frankly, the Darkfall community is not. 

/facepalm you dont get it do you  yes there will be asses ing ame but it wont be like the forums the forums are jus that forums where post get redundant and people get bored.

lets say these forums allowed everyone to be asses this site would turn pretty bad pretty quick everyone is an ass on the internet doesnt always translate in game. like me i get pissy with the trolls on this forum but in game i could give  2 cents worth  and no i odnt plan on being a bad person ing ame or what ever i think yoru best bet is try the game then see for your self. not to try it all because of some forums is stupid at best

Originally posted by downtoearth

LOL must be one heavenly modded unreal engine then guess you will see but meh doesnt really matter df will be a better game int he log run Mo is for gfx people

Unreal engine is already in use in Vanguard, which FYI is completely non-instanced. Only side effects VG has is slight hitching when changing chunks and some loading time while teleporting. So not much lolling tongues as unreal engine has been proven in both heavily instanced and seamless world MMO's.

On the other hand, seeing the general literacy level of DF fans, native english speakers or no, bodes very ill on the quality of said games chat...

Originally posted by Lydon

And excuse me, but where are you grabbing this pie in the sky "they hurt my feelings BS from?" The community over on those forums, and this one too, sucks. Haha, if you think a couple of children on the internet hurt my feelings you're highly mistaken. What you don't seem to be getting is that people do not want to play with such people.

Judging by the general manner in which you word your posts, you're a typical example of why I don't want to play the game. You have no way of speaking to people and get worked up over people not liking something about the game. Thanks, but no thanks.

What a joke. Let's be real for a second. You have the option of joining a mature clan/alliance and being surrounded with hundreds or thousands of mature, like-minded players.

So don't try and pass that off as your motivation for not playing Darkfall. Every MMO is plagued by a vocal minority of dicks, douches, trolls, and griefers, whether it's a PvP MMO (PK'ing, ress killing, etc) or not (training mobs, kill stealing, etc). You are in no way obligated to chat with these people.

I don't care who follows which game. Mortal Online, Darkfall, F2P games, P2P games, micro games, whatever. But don't act a bitch and lie straight faced. You were either insulted and feel that you are somehow spiting the DF forum community by not playing (lol), or you're a fan of another game chipping at DF with the only thing you can really attack it for.

You'll never thought about that the 'terrible community' of Darkfall might be a side effect from all those trolls? Cause I just se flames against fanbois not a single word against all the trolls.

In this site you can't say anything at them, then you've end up banned. And those who post most are those who don't want to play Darkfall. It's very hard to have a normal conversation then, isn't it.

Even at the Happy Holliday messange from Tasos ended up been overanalyzed and called a lie from the 'sceptics'.

Originally posted by downtoearth 

/facepalm you dont get it do you  yes there will be asses ing ame but it wont be like the forums the forums are jus that forums where post get redundant and people get bored.

lets say these forums allowed everyone to be asses this site would turn pretty bad pretty quick everyone is an ass on the internet doesnt always translate in game. like me i get pissy with the trolls on this forum but in game i could give  2 cents worth  and no i odnt plan on being a bad person ing ame or what ever i think yoru best bet is try the game then see for your self. not to try it all because of some forums is stupid at best

I think you should /facepalm yourself again because it is you who is not getting it. 

Who do you think is waiting to play the game? The most hardcore of fans belong to and post regularly on the Darkfall forums. It is those people who are going to make up the game's starting community, and it is those people who are the type of people I'd rather not surround myself with. It will certainly translate into the game as those who post on the official forum are by and large a very good representation of the people in-game. Darkfall is not a huge game and at release, as I have said, it is those people who are going to play (and if they keep at it the way they currently are, they'll continue to be the only people who are playing). The fact that you're using yourself as an example doesn't speak much either...

You may act like an ass on the internet, but I can say with outmost revelation that you are certainly not speaking for everyone. "Everyone is an ass on the internet" - biggest joke I've heard yet. 

Originally posted by shaunak84 

What a joke. Let's be real for a second. You have the option of joining a mature clan/alliance and being surrounded with hundreds or thousands of mature, like-minded players.

So don't try and pass that off as your motivation for not playing Darkfall. Every MMO is plagued by a vocal minority of dicks, douches, trolls, and griefers, whether it's a PvP MMO (PK'ing, ress killing, etc) or not (training mobs, kill stealing, etc). You are in no way obligated to chat with these people.

I don't care who follows which game. Mortal Online, Darkfall, F2P games, P2P games, micro games, whatever. But don't act a bitch and lie straight faced. You were either insulted and feel that you are somehow spiting the DF forum community by not playing (lol), or you're a fan of another game chipping at DF with the only thing you can really attack it for.

Firstly, do not attempt to tell me with which criteria I should rate a game. Community is big aspect in almost any game I play and as a result I will certainly refuse to play a game should I not like said community. 

Secondly, though I may have the option of joining a mature clan, I will in no way be only subjected to them. Sure, guild chat is all very well and good, but it is not my guild with whom I'm interacting 80%+ of the time. It is the average player. That average player is not looking like someone I would like to play with. It's simple. 

And lastly, think what you want but these petty insults fly right over my head. I have stood up for Darkfall in the past, but that does not mean that I will not make my voice heard where I feel it should be. Whilst you may enjoy the pathetic "community" the game seems to be building up, I certainly don't. To me that is a fact and there is absolutely nothing you can say or do that will change that. I will indeed pass that off as my motivation not to play the game whether you like it or not, and whether or not you believe it.

Originally posted by Seggallion

You'll never thought about that the 'terrible community' of Darkfall might be a side effect from all those trolls? Cause I just se flames against fanbois not a single word against all the trolls.

How ironic. I've been accused of getting insulted too easily and for taking cheap knocks at the game as a result, but this is a typical example of needing to take the forest out of one's own eye before the splinter in another's.

Originally posted by Lydon

Originally posted by Fargin

The MMORPG.com community is far worse than Darkfall's.

You people don't understand anything about MMO's, and you talk bad about MMO's you know nothing about, just because it doesn't have pretty graphics. The Darkfall community is a mature one, but when kids (mainly from this site) come over there and start asking stupid questions  and screaming vaporware, what do you expect?

The Darkfall community at least has respect for people who like different kinds of games, unlike the MMORPG.com community.

That is the biggest load of BS I have ever heard. 

How, then, do you explain the rampant childishness going on over in the Darkfall section from the Darkfall fans? I will be the first to admit that there is definitely vapourware trolls, but there is no doubt in my mind that there is just as many fanboys over on those parts. 

I take it you're a Darkfall fan...so let's analyse your post:

1) You make sweeping statements and assumptions you have no way of backing up ("you talk bad about MMO's you know nothing about," for example)

2) Somehow expect us to believe the Darkfall community is a mature one when simply reading through the hype list and game rating list on this site there are posts such as "looks cool but Darkfall is better!! - 1"

3) In order to try and get your apparent point across, you result to personally attacking the members of this site as a whole. And of course you, being the all-knowing being you are, know the age of the general populace of this site.

4) Despite the community's apparent maturity, it lacks the simple value of tolerance ("...when kids come over there and start asking stupid questions...") and clearly isn't in the least helpful or interested in educating and welcoming new people to the community (because, hell, such a niche game is going to need all the people it can get).

5) You go around preaching respect yet you so blatanty disrespect the members of this site, when it's clear you're pissed off with the small minority (because, once again, the majority couldn't give a flying duck about Darkfall).

So please, next time you decide to post remember that you aren't talking to the Darkfall community and are in fact addressing a group of people that do not take kindly to BS.

Well this community is known to be the worst. That's cause of the people taking 'their' games so personal and can't stand anyone saying something bad about it. Yes even in Darkfall's section. Take a Manchester shirt on you and walk to a Arsenal bar and see what's happen. It's the same thing here. The difference here and over at the official site is that here we have to share the Pub and there we've have it for ourself.

And if you see the big picture; Many of those who post here are just as the Comic Book Guy in Simpsons. They're never wrong, and know everything about games and how they're developed (they'll think). And if they are proven wrong they just ignore it.

This is a gaming site, in the eyes of others we are nerds. But then we the nerds see who are the 'Comic Book Guy nerds'

Originally posted by Seggallion 

Well this community is known to be the worst. That's cause of the people taking 'their' games so personal and can't stand anyone saying something bad about it. Yes even in Darkfall's section. Take a Manchester shirt on you and walk to a Arsenal bar and see what's happen. It's the same thing here.

And if you see the big picture; Many of those who post here are just as the Comic Book Guy in Simsons. They're never wrong, and know everything about games and how they're developed (they'll think). And if they are proven wrong they just ignore it.

This is a gaming site, in the eyes of others we are nerds. But then we the nerds see who are the 'Comic Book Guy nerds'

Finally, an intelligent post. 

I completely agree. Sadly, my experience with the official Darkfall forums has been no better - far worse in fact. I'm not saying no one else should play the game, I am saying that I do not plan to at this stage.