If you want to respec your character it costs you 199 diamonds which is $13.00 USD. 

Don't play this game.

Respec items are half price at the moment so maybe a good chance to get a couple cheap. 

As for not playing because of that well I guess that is up to you, if you played a P2P game monthly for a year then you would pay a lot more than buying a couple of items in the RoM shop. 

Personal choice in the end, personally that wouldn't be a game breaker for me, but then again we all are different!

I think that is incredibly expensive as well. The diamonds should be more like $1 = 100 Diamonds.

Originally posted by Defect

I think that is incredibly expensive as well. The diamonds should be more like $1 = 100 Diamonds.

Are u serious? That would not come close to being right, especially with whats priced on the cash shop. The price is fine, how else you think they are supposed to make cash? Money doesn't grow on trees, ya know. And before you say it could be cheaper, why? It's most likely the number 1 thing people will be purchasing, therefore better for it to be highly priced. In turn it will increase Frogsters cashflow. And that could lead to more increased updates and bigger expansions.

To the OP: So if this is your reason not to play the game, then why are you trying to play a cash shop game. And one more thing, how do you know you can't get these items in-game? You don't, and no one else knows either. If mounts can drop off mobs, what else you think is on the loot table? Get over it! =)

Originally posted by mackdawg19

Originally posted by Defect

I think that is incredibly expensive as well. The diamonds should be more like $1 = 100 Diamonds.

Are u serious? That would not come close to being right, especially with whats priced on the cash shop. The price is fine, how else you think they are supposed to make cash? Money doesn't grow on trees, ya know. And before you say it could be cheaper, why? It's most likely the number 1 thing people will be purchasing, therefore better for it to be highly priced. In turn it will increase Frogsters cashflow. And that could lead to more increased updates and bigger expansions.

To the OP: So if this is your reason not to play the game, then why are you trying to play a cash shop game. And one more thing, how do you know you can't get these items in-game? You don't, and no one else knows either. If mounts can drop off mobs, what else you think is on the loot table? Get over it! =)

As per the quoted text.....  some people actually believe F2P games are really free to play.  (like somehow the game developers live off of good will or something)

The money to make/pay for the game has to come from somewhere folks, this is an obvious one and in theory, imparts no advantage to a player who has the money to spend.

I think the game looks pretty cool.  But, as much as  I play (60 hours a week), about the only thing I can play is subscription games.  Other wise I'd be playing about 250$ a month in microtransactions lol.

 I don't really see why this is an issue.  Being able to respec is both a privilege and a convenience.  You built your character a certain way.  If you want to keep the character, but respec skills, then pay for it.  $13 might seem high, but how often are you going to respec, really?  The game is F2P with a cash shop for convenience items and a respec qualifies as a convenience.  If you don't want to pay for it, then don't.  Instead, create a new character out o the many slots available to you and build it the way you want.  Another alternative you have is to sell items in the auction house for Diamonds.  Earn enough diamonds to pay for your cash shop items that way and you don't have to spend any money at all.

~Ripper

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Edit - I just checked prices for Diamonds - it's $9.49 for 200, so you can respec for under $10.  There's a pretty big difference between ~$9.50 and $13...  If you're going to complain, check your facts.

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I spend more than that in a month on games i can respect anytime i want in.....whats the problem here?

I can play this for 4 months, then respec for LESS that a normal subscription.

Here is the low-down of what Runes of Magic is.

1. You will need cash to compete in this game. To get anything above +2 or tier5 you will need to purchase cash shop items. And trust me, there is a huge difference betwenn someone in +2 tier5 gear and +6 tier8-10 gear.

2. You can get up to tier8 without the cash shop, but you would litterally have to play this game for more than 2 years to get 3 peices of your gear that far.

3. No essentail cash shop items drop in-game. This means, no perma mounts, no + upgrade scolls, and nothing else really. Now the developer has spouted these things will eventually drop ingame, but don't count on this happening untill Frogster is making more than what they put into this game. 

Now I know people are going to tell me somehow I am wrong, well im not. I'm in the largest guild on Osha PVE and am 3 levels away from level cap. This game is fun, but you need the cash shop to survive in this game. I have never used to cash shop, have some of the best gear at +2. The worst part, is if your not paying, the amount of time you will spend just to get clean powerstones from the freebie cash shop as I call it is insane. It's 1200 coins per powerstone. You can only get 100 a day without buying reset tickets through the cash shop. Which means, 12 days per stone and 36 days for 3 which is what you want per item. With 14 item slots you can see that decking out your character like cash shop buyers would take you a god awful amount of time. Now, it took my best friend in-game a total of a two weeks to get all of his gear to +5 tier7 with no problems and walks around with well over 10k HP. Which leads to the biggest problem with this game. The instances are balanced for cash shop users. Any non cash shop user will be severly handicapped if he trys roaming through these instances. It gets to the point in my guild that whenever they run an instance, they ask if your a cash shop user or not. If your not, then your out of luck and sit on the bench. Now I still play this game and mostly because it is a decent game. But let's not tout around that this game is some f2p game like no other. It's the same as any other game, it just resembles a certain p2p MMO so much its gained popularity.

Edit - and to the guy above who stated mounts drop in-game. They used to in Closed Beta, and they were permanent. Since then none of my guild has seen any cash item drop thats worthwhile. If the mounts do drop, don't count on them being permanent or even 30-day ones.

Originally posted by mackdawg19

Here is the low-down of what Runes of Magic is.

1. You will need cash to compete in this game. To get anything above +2 or tier5 you will need to purchase cash shop items. And trust me, there is a huge difference betwenn someone in +2 tier5 gear and +6 tier8-10 gear.

2. You can get up to tier8 without the cash shop, but you would litterally have to play this game for more than 2 years to get 3 peices of your gear that far.

3. No essentail cash shop items drop in-game. This means, no perma mounts, no + upgrade scolls, and nothing else really. Now the developer has spouted these things will eventually drop ingame, but don't count on this happening untill Frogster is making more than what they put into this game. 

Now I know people are going to tell me somehow I am wrong, well im not. I'm in the largest guild on Osha PVE and am 3 levels away from level cap. This game is fun, but you need the cash shop to survive in this game. I have never used to cash shop, have some of the best gear at +2. The worst part, is if your not paying, the amount of time you will spend just to get clean powerstones from the freebie cash shop as I call it is insane. It's 1200 coins per powerstone. You can only get 100 a day without buying reset tickets through the cash shop. Which means, 12 days per stone and 36 days for 3 which is what you want per item. With 14 item slots you can see that decking out your character like cash shop buyers would take you a god awful amount of time. Now, it took my best friend in-game a total of a two weeks to get all of his gear to +5 tier7 with no problems and walks around with well over 10k HP. Which leads to the biggest problem with this game. The instances are balanced for cash shop users. Any non cash shop user will be severly handicapped if he trys roaming through these instances. It gets to the point in my guild that whenever they run an instance, they ask if your a cash shop user or not. If your not, then your out of luck and sit on the bench. Now I still play this game and mostly because it is a decent game. But let's not tout around that this game is some f2p game like no other. It's the same as any other game, it just resembles a certain p2p MMO so much its gained popularity.

 

Edit - and to the guy above who stated mounts drop in-game. They used to in Closed Beta, and they were permanent. Since then none of my guild has seen any cash item drop thats worthwhile. If the mounts do drop, don't count on them being permanent or even 30-day ones.

Did you just say you play on a PVE server? If so, what does it matter if someone is better than you?  On a PVP server I might understand your concern, but PVE?

Originally posted by mackdawg19

Here is the low-down of what Runes of Magic is.

1. You will need cash to compete in this game. To get anything above +2 or tier5 you will need to purchase cash shop items. And trust me, there is a huge difference betwenn someone in +2 tier5 gear and +6 tier8-10 gear. Please explain the competition.  I only have low level characters, but I still can't see why you "need" the higher tier items.  You might want them and they might be substantially better, but why do you "need" them.  Is it impossible to succesed without them?  If so, please explain how.

2. You can get up to tier8 without the cash shop, but you would litterally have to play this game for more than 2 years to get 3 peices of your gear that far.  That's kind of the point of a well-designed cash shop.  You can do everything for free, but you're given the choice to pay for the sake of convenience.

3. No essentail cash shop items drop in-game. This means, no perma mounts, no + upgrade scolls, and nothing else really. Now the developer has spouted these things will eventually drop ingame, but don't count on this happening untill Frogster is making more than what they put into this game.  Please explain which cash shop items are essential and why? Mounts, for example, why are they essential?  They're certainly convenient, but not essential.

Now I know people are going to tell me somehow I am wrong, well im not. I'm in the largest guild on Osha PVE and am 3 levels away from level cap. This game is fun, but you need the cash shop to survive in this game (Please explain why). I have never used to cash shop, have some of the best gear at +2. The worst part, is if your not paying, the amount of time you will spend just to get clean powerstones from the freebie cash shop as I call it is insane. It's 1200 coins per powerstone. You can only get 100 a day without buying reset tickets through the cash shop. Which means, 12 days per stone and 36 days for 3 which is what you want per item. With 14 item slots you can see that decking out your character like cash shop buyers would take you a god awful amount of time. Now, it took my best friend in-game a total of a two weeks to get all of his gear to +5 tier7 with no problems and walks around with well over 10k HP. Which leads to the biggest problem with this game. The instances are balanced for cash shop users. Any non cash shop user will be severly handicapped if he trys roaming through these instances. It gets to the point in my guild that whenever they run an instance, they ask if your a cash shop user or not. If your not, then your out of luck and sit on the bench. (It sounds like your guild is elitist - if everybody was a free player they'd have just as much fun, no?) Now I still play this game and mostly because it is a decent game. But let's not tout around that this game is some f2p game like no other. It's the same as any other game, it just resembles a certain p2p MMO so much its gained popularity.

 

Edit - and to the guy above who stated mounts drop in-game. They used to in Closed Beta, and they were permanent. Since then none of my guild has seen any cash item drop thats worthwhile. If the mounts do drop, don't count on them being permanent or even 30-day ones.

All that being said, if you can actually buy the most powerful weapons, gear, etc..., that's not cool.  What I'm really looking for here is clarification.

~Ripper

No, there are no super gear sets or weapons that you can buy from the Cash Shop. The only things that can have an impact on how good your gear would become are the purified stones, which are used to add stats to your gear; the main difference between these and the ones sold in NPC shops is that the purified stones are clean, they have no preset stats (as opposed to the crappy ones normal fusion stones have), so you can add whatever stats work for you.

But let me elaborate a little on what this dude forgot to say: when you join the game, you receive a gift bag. As you level up, you will get a lot of goodies from it. Now, apart from the usual Xp/HP/mana pots & some low lvl gear, you will also get a wide range of FREE Cash Shop items: 4 purified stones, lots of golden hammers (around 16 in total if I'm not mistaking), armor & weapon drillers, recall runes & marking ink for teleporting, "home sweet home" runes for insta teleport to your personal house, a TP reset stone at lvl 30 (that will reset all the skills of 1 class), upgrading jewels, and timed mounts (ranging from 24H to 7 days). So you get a chance to sample most of the Cash Shop content without needing to spend your money - all you have to do is save these items for later on (not to mention Frogster sent to all players 50 free diamonds just before release and also 2 TP reset runes after the release so ppl would be able to fully reskill if needed and buy more stuff from CS).

But maybe the most important aspects of the Cash shop are:
1. some of the CS items can also be bought with tokens (rewards that you get for completing daily quests); yes, the ammount of tokens needed to buy something is significant, but then again, it doesn't cost you money, just time.
2. now you can also buy diamonds (the currency you will need to buy from CS) with gold, through the game's Auction House. So even if you don't use your real money, you can still have access to CS content. All you have to do is play smart, sell every valuable item you can find and exchange the gold for diamonds.

So all in all, I'd say Frogster managed to run a pretty balanced & fair Cash Shop as opposed to what you may find in other F2P + CS MMOs. Yes, if you want to be on top of the game you need CS items, but like I've said, these can be obtained without actually spending your real cash. Yes, the CS users might gain the upper hand and the high lvl instances are easier for them, but then again, in a game in which you get xp mostly from quests and leveling is fast, the only difference can be felt when fighting bosses? I mean the uber gear really helps when you face them (which can't be solo defeated anyway), but all the players are consistently & constantly rewarded for completing quests and the q items are good enough to help you lvl up even if you're not geared like a war machine. Some players will manage to kill a certain boss with a small party while the rest would need to group in a full raid, but in the end we'll all get there.

These guys at frogster are the worst kind of scammers. Yeah, the prices are outrageous. They started out looking like fair minded folks, but as release loomed the truth started coming out bit by bit. If you want to try the game. give it a whirl. It's a grind now that they changed so much. But DO NOT spend any money on it until you are 100% sure you want to play this thing a long while.

AVOID THIS RIPOFF!

Originally posted by caelach

These guys at frogster are the worst kind of scammers. Yeah, the prices are outrageous. They started out looking like fair minded folks, but as release loomed the truth started coming out bit by bit. If you want to try the game. give it a whirl. It's a grind now that they changed so much. But DO NOT spend any money on it until you are 100% sure you want to play this thing a long while.

 

AVOID THIS RIPOFF!

/agree

Originally posted by prow

Originally posted by caelach

These guys at frogster are the worst kind of scammers. Yeah, the prices are outrageous. They started out looking like fair minded folks, but as release loomed the truth started coming out bit by bit. If you want to try the game. give it a whirl. It's a grind now that they changed so much. But DO NOT spend any money on it until you are 100% sure you want to play this thing a long while.

 

AVOID THIS RIPOFF!

 

/agree

caelach and prow - explain why it's a ripoff, please?  You can play the entire game from start to finish for free, so how is that a ripoff?  You might level faster with cash shop items, but who cares?   Nobody's forcing you to buy them and  you can still get to the "end" cheaper than you would with a p2p game.  So what's the problem? 

~Ripper

Originally posted by rhinok

Originally posted by prow

Originally posted by caelach

These guys at frogster are the worst kind of scammers. Yeah, the prices are outrageous. They started out looking like fair minded folks, but as release loomed the truth started coming out bit by bit. If you want to try the game. give it a whirl. It's a grind now that they changed so much. But DO NOT spend any money on it until you are 100% sure you want to play this thing a long while.

 

AVOID THIS RIPOFF!

 

/agree

 

caelach and prow - explain why it's a ripoff, please?  You can play the entire game from start to finish for free, so how is that a ripoff?  You might level faster with cash shop items, but who cares?   Nobody's forcing you to buy them and  you can still get to the "end" cheaper than you would with a p2p game.  So what's the problem? 

~Ripper

I'm not an expert when it comes to tweaking your gear in this game. I haven't bothered much with it at all, since (to me) it seems like a waste of time/money when you're not at max lvl. And I'm not there yet.

But all the talk about success chances, cash shop prices, etc. It sounds like it's almost impossible to get better than +3 gear without paying for it. Which may be fine for most casual players, who doesn't have the need for this. But if you wanna see endgame contents, then forget about playing for free - not many guilds will let you join runs with "low tuned" equips. I hear this often in this game: if you want to be able to do the endgame instances, then you have to pay.

Playing the entire game for free - theoretically you can. In reality? I doubt it.

Respec costs are non issue. You have dual spec build in with swapping classes. At least in theory, in practise the dual class systems falls apart gradually starting at middle levels. If you really really have to pay for respec it is mostly your own bad decisisions of how to spec the characters. If you do not get it during the 30, 40 levels when it matters little what you upgrade, you still have option to pay and try to be less dumb this time. This is not WoW where having some spells is a binary yes/no choice.

The real issue you will face when you want to make alt. Now that is expensive if you are honest to bone paying customer (all CS stuff unshareable) and do what should make sense (mod good gear instead of white crap).

Having free diamonds and free resetes is nice, dragulaa. Those were for beta players. And more generous for system abusers. Way to go. The CS stuff in bags is nice gift but totall failure as promotion material.

Your best bet is to play for free and quit at cap and move on. You will have more fun and save money. One day someone will publish game that is fun to pay for and really possible to play for free but so far most are scam schemes trying to hook you up on free stuff and then milk you for every drop, the more milking the dumber you are. And you wonder why people get MMOs mixed with drugs.

The one thing overlooked in this whole thread is you can now get diamonds for items you sell on the AH.  So the only ones complaining about the cash shop are the ones with "sense of entitlement" syndrome and are too impatient.

Besides, there's numerous F2P games out there to choose from.  Knock yourself out.

Plain and simple people, incase you didn't notice when you 1rst visited the website, this is a World of Warcraft knock-off. From the look of the game, all the way down to the soundtrack, everything is a mock up of WoW. The only difference is, while WoW is subscription based, RoM is free to play. A new and extremely misleading term, created by marketing teams, to reel in customers.

Like all " free to play" games RoM doesn't cost a dime to download or play. However, just like every other "free to play" game out there, the publisher wants to make more money, then just the royalties they get paid for banner ads on they're site. So they create cash shops, intended to make players pay real money for items, any other subscription game, would allow you to get from some sort of ingame accomplishment. In a way, games like RoM, are making more money then subscription based games, because some people (who either have too much money, or don't know how to budget themselves) spend, 2-3x the ammount they would spend on a simple 1 month subscription.   I mean hell, WoW is still considered the #1MMORPG (based on total players/accounts).  It only costs around $16usd per month to play, after you spend around 30 for the game itself and the only items/gear you can get and/or need are obtainable 'ingame', for free by actually playing it. RoM is free, but if you want a permanent mount that costs money. Upgrade your gear, more money. Yes, even to respec your character, you will have to pay.

Basically it seems like some jackass marketing agent who played WoW, saw a visa commercial and said

"hmm..

epic loot, 15dollars.

changing the color of your gear, 10dollars.

creating a guild, 20 dollars...

owning a mount, 15 dollars.

Laughing my way to the bank as i collect millions from players who just paid me for items in a game, that more then likely, they will stop playing within a few years.... priceless... muhahahahaha"

The fact is, these games earn way more then they are worth.  Put it this way, there is a huge number of people out there who have spent so much money in this game already, that they could of bought a brand new console system with several games, or built a top of the line gaming rig, instead of buying a bunch of pixels to use in 1 game.  I infact. know a few people who have even spent over $200usd a month, to gain an advantage or help level they're character in a free to play game. I've told them, its ridiculous and if they want to throw money away, they can give it to me, or find a charity that will actually help people who need it more then the games publisher.

IMHO, Death to Free to play games that give cash players an extreme advantage over everyone else!!  cash items in a free to play game, should only be for aesthetic use, allowing players to customize they're characters/accounts.  And not give them a huge advantage over those that either, can't afford to pay, dont have the option to pay, or are casual gamers that don't want to pay.  Games like these are corrupting the industry (more so then it already is) and not only helping to bleed gamers dry, but teaching the younger generations that "to become successful you need to spend the more money".  Oh yea, and the worst part of these free to play games is, 90% of the time, the gamers end up paying the publisher/developer for ingame items, while the gamers are beta testing the game for free.  So not only have these games saved money, buy not hiring proffessional beta testers, but they make money off the beta testing.

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Originally posted by Tyrrhon
Having free diamonds and free resetes is nice, dragulaa. Those were for beta players. And more generous for system abusers. Way to go. The CS stuff in bags is nice gift but totall failure as promotion material.

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Actually they handled the last free TP resets just after the game was launched, so all the players that joined in before or during March the 19th got them (the very last one was sent a few days ago). I haven't used any of those yet because I don't need to. I'm still waiting to see what is going to change and I'll use the stones only when my toon will become totally unplayable (for the record: I'm W/P).
I agree, the CS items from the gift bags are a total failure as promotional material, but only for Frogster, because ppl will have the chance to see how totally unecessary most of them are :) But for the players it's a great oportunity to sample CS content before actually paying for it ;)