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heartless
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Joined: 1/05/04
Imagination will often carry us to worlds that never were. But without it we go nowhere. -Carl Sagan |
12/24/08 12:13:15 AM#41
Originally posted by Zarraa These ultra defensive fan rebuttals always make me laugh. Aside from the obligatory WOW bashing Eronakis's analogy is a fair one. Right now I can go to McDonalds and get 2 sandwiches, 2 mini salads and a drink for roughly $6.00. In WOW you can create a character jump in and play a well made title with little fuss. WOW isn't great in any area but it's an easy, solid, reliable bang for the buck just like McDonalds. Sounds like a fair comparison to me... We're talking about a form of entertainment here, not food. Would you watch a crappier movie over a much better movie if the former was easily accessible? People will not play a so-so game just because it's easy. WoW has something else that the rest of MMOs lack. I'm not a super WoW fan per se, although I do enjoy the game (if anything, I'm an old school UO fanboi), but after reading your post I started thinking about which other game offers something that's better than the equivalent feature in WoW. Honestly, I could not find an answer. Raids, quests, PvP, lore... WoW offers a better experience than most current games I can think off. The only two games I could think that handled certain things better than WoW are UO and EVE. You can't really compare WoW to either of those 2 games, they are drastically different. I know that WoW bashing is popular on these forums. But this blind hate against a popular game is just silly. The game is 'popular because it's good'. It's not 'good because it's popular'.
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12/24/08 12:13:21 AM#42
Originally posted by heartless What is a real MMO?
EQ, SWG, UO, DOAC.. |
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heartless
Hard Core Member
Joined: 1/05/04
Imagination will often carry us to worlds that never were. But without it we go nowhere. -Carl Sagan |
12/24/08 12:14:40 AM#43
Originally posted by Eronakis
rofl! WoW High Quality? The game is garbage! It's way too easy! I refuse to argue this! Don't let the numbers fool you.
More blind hate. Which game would you not consider garbage? They all offer similar things as WoW, only the presentation is not as good.
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heartless
Hard Core Member
Joined: 1/05/04
Imagination will often carry us to worlds that never were. But without it we go nowhere. -Carl Sagan |
12/24/08 12:19:03 AM#44
Originally posted by Eronakis
EQ, SWG, UO, DOAC.. What made those games "real"? Not one of those games is/was any more dificult than WoW currently is. Some of those were more open-ended, that's true (especially in UO's case) but to call them real games when there really is nothing special about them besides the fact that they were the first of it's kind, would be silly.
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12/24/08 12:25:09 AM#45
Not one of thsoe games is more difficult than WoW is?? Seriously what are you smoking?? WoW is about as easy as they come....... |
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12/24/08 12:25:27 AM#46
Originally posted by firefly2003 No cause people are too incompetent these days to actually learn how to play a real MMO with real challenge instead of ez-mode all the way thru with instant gratification all the way thru it... just more nubs to smoke if they ever make it to a real MMO one day...
How could anyone be considered "competent" or "incompetent" over their choice of MMOs? It's just an inconsequential hobby. This makes no sense. I think what you are calling "incompetent" here is just your usual casual gamer. You know, the one who probably has a calling and other hobbies in life, so does not put 3+ hours a day into gaming... And that makes them "incompetent", how? Words. Think about them. You squander them without a thought of their well-being, they get sad. :)
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12/24/08 12:26:12 AM#47
just ::junk::, nevermind this one. |
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12/24/08 12:28:11 AM#48
Originally posted by heartless These ultra defensive fan rebuttals always make me laugh. Aside from the obligatory WOW bashing Eronakis's analogy is a fair one. Right now I can go to McDonalds and get 2 sandwiches, 2 mini salads and a drink for roughly $6.00. In WOW you can create a character jump in and play a well made title with little fuss. WOW isn't great in any area but it's an easy, solid, reliable bang for the buck just like McDonalds. Sounds like a fair comparison to me... We're talking about a form of entertainment here, not food. Would you watch a crappier movie over a much better movie if the former was easily accessible? People will not play a so-so game just because it's easy. WoW has something else that the rest of MMOs lack. I'm not a super WoW fan per se, although I do enjoy the game (if anything, I'm an old school UO fanboi), but after reading your post I started thinking about which other game offers something that's better than the equivalent feature in WoW. Honestly, I could not find an answer. Raids, quests, PvP, lore... WoW offers a better experience than most current games I can think off. The only two games I could think that handled certain things better than WoW are UO and EVE. You can't really compare WoW to either of those 2 games, they are drastically different. I know that WoW bashing is popular on these forums. But this blind hate against a popular game is just silly. The game is 'popular because it's good'. It's not 'good because it's popular'.
Blind hate? No, I have played that game and enjoyed it from level 1-60 (and yes i did play the expansion). After that, I hated it. Please define "its good". Why is WoW good? Because its easy? Because you can solo to max level? Because everything you can do is like your mom walking you across the street? People have different tastes in mmos and that is fine. How is this game a better experience? Maybe friends who play is the only aspect I can think of. Usually I find out that there are several things that make an mmo fun..community, gameplay and content. Wow's community is garbage. Most of the people on there talk like "wut, gud,kthxai"? What the hell does that mean? Are you that dumb to type the rest of the word out? The players are rude, immature and most of them have no idea how to play thier class. Which is highly ironic because all you do is spam 1-3 buttons to kill stuff, no real skill there. That game is all about gear. Wow's class system is massivly inbalanced in more ways than one. How and why can a healer class be on par with a pure dps class with damage? I hope you know that WoW has brought alot of gamers and non gamers to play this game. I really believe WoW has harmed the mmorph genre more ways than it has helped..and one fact you can cleary see is that there hasn't been a quallity mmo out since. --- I am telling you, that mmo's needs to find its way back home to its niche crowd... |
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12/24/08 1:42:57 AM#49
Originally posted by Eronakis We're talking about a form of entertainment here, not food. Would you watch a crappier movie over a much better movie if the former was easily accessible? People will not play a so-so game just because it's easy. WoW has something else that the rest of MMOs lack. I'm not a super WoW fan per se, although I do enjoy the game (if anything, I'm an old school UO fanboi), but after reading your post I started thinking about which other game offers something that's better than the equivalent feature in WoW. Honestly, I could not find an answer. Raids, quests, PvP, lore... WoW offers a better experience than most current games I can think off. The only two games I could think that handled certain things better than WoW are UO and EVE. You can't really compare WoW to either of those 2 games, they are drastically different. I know that WoW bashing is popular on these forums. But this blind hate against a popular game is just silly. The game is 'popular because it's good'. It's not 'good because it's popular'.
Blind hate? No, I have played that game and enjoyed it from level 1-60 (and yes i did play the expansion). After that, I hated it. Please define "its good". Why is WoW good? Because its easy? Because you can solo to max level? Because everything you can do is like your mom walking you across the street? People have different tastes in mmos and that is fine. How is this game a better experience? Maybe friends who play is the only aspect I can think of. Usually I find out that there are several things that make an mmo fun..community, gameplay and content. Wow's community is garbage. Most of the people on there talk like "wut, gud,kthxai"? What the hell does that mean? Are you that dumb to type the rest of the word out? The players are rude, immature and most of them have no idea how to play thier class. Which is highly ironic because all you do is spam 1-3 buttons to kill stuff, no real skill there. That game is all about gear. Wow's class system is massivly inbalanced in more ways than one. How and why can a healer class be on par with a pure dps class with damage? I hope you know that WoW has brought alot of gamers and non gamers to play this game. I really believe WoW has harmed the mmorph genre more ways than it has helped..and one fact you can cleary see is that there hasn't been a quallity mmo out since. --- I am telling you, that mmo's needs to find its way back home to its niche crowd... I also played this game, from level 1-60 got the expansion went to 70 on a Resto druid and a Shadow priest. I had a decent time at 70 but It really got boring for me, I quit for like 3 months and went back to it...still boring, So I uninstalled it and sold my account.WoW is very easy, to me personally I like the challenge that a hard core game like FFXI provides. Where you work ur butt off even if you want the ability to level past 50 or you work for months sometimes years if you want to max out that craft. Makes it so no one player can ever have everything done, or be out of content to play.
I don't hate wow But if some one were to ask me what I think of it I would say I don't like it. Because I don't. Its something I got really sick of, and having to see games just do the same things WoW does and not even get them right pisses me off. So I try to play games that came out before WoW FFXI is one im playing a lot right now and Guild wars is another. Both quite original. |
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12/24/08 1:44:35 AM#50
Further proof that fools and their money are soon parted, and that you can polish a turd and sell it. Bans a perma, but so are sigs in necro posts. EAT ME MMORPG.com! |
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Gravarg
 Advanced Member
Joined: 8/24/06
"Wardens only port the people we need for a fellowship." |
12/24/08 4:19:03 AM#51
Originally posted by x_rast_x
Good comparison. It's true, it's true. I was an AOL subscriber (go Neverwinter Nights woot!) but left for bigger and better things. Seems like all their subscribers left with me
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12/24/08 4:40:21 AM#52
Insane... Hellehunde |
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12/24/08 4:43:05 AM#53
As many of you know or can tell from my sig I love blizzard (and relic) two of the best developers out there. And play WoW. But would like blizzard to break down the numbers by region like they did do last year where there were about 4.5million subs in the west. Blizzard are not lying with these numbers, on the day of census they had 11.5million players who could log in a play without having to pay, they are not making them up like others do, but more info would be nice. We simply dont know how many subs are west or east... which is dissapointing. however we do know Wrath sold 2.8million copies in the first 24 hours, so Its more than safe to say Wow has 3million+ western subs. If I were a betting man Id be happy to put a pony on 4million western subs. Also to some comment on eastern subscribers, comment like "they pay a tiny $2 a week" and so on, $2 in china is worth far far more than $2 in west. Some people need to get out more and learn about the world. Also china restricts the amount of time a person can play an MMO so paying a monthly fee is a waste... which is why subscriptions have never taken off in china. Merry xmas one and all. |
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12/24/08 4:49:26 AM#54
Good for Blizzard, but it's not my game. And Britney Spears have sold over 300mil albums, still I do not listen to her. ______________________________ __________________________________
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12/24/08 6:56:46 AM#55
Originally posted by heartless
EQ, SWG, UO, DOAC.. What made those games "real"? Not one of those games is/was any more dificult than WoW currently is. Some of those were more open-ended, that's true (especially in UO's case) but to call them real games when there really is nothing special about them besides the fact that they were the first of it's kind, would be silly. Real games is a bad choice of words however the competency arguement is also a valid one. Those four titles listed above required skill obtained through challenging content and an unforgiving environment. Conversely I recall doing pickup MC raids in WOW where people (level 60's) didn't know how their characters spells worked nor how to interact in a group much less a raid. My first EQ raid I did ok and that's only because the regular content prepared me for the next stage. IMO the same isn't true for WOW. WOW isn't a bad game at all but it's subscription numbers are due partly to a ready made install base and a cult of personality. WOW is an easy, quick, fun snack with little fuss allot like McDonalds. Millions love it , Millions hate it then there are those like myself who think it's ok. However the problem is no one is offering the 2008 fine dinning alternative That's what many of us are waiting for. Maybe next year... Dutchess Zarraa Voltayre |
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12/24/08 7:01:31 AM#56
I am a WoW subscriber, until I find something better.
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12/24/08 7:14:30 AM#57
Originally posted by Kordesh
QFT 
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Kyleran
 Elite Member
Joined: 9/13/06
A simple truth-"What people want and what is good for an mmo is not always the same thing"-mrw0lf |
12/24/08 9:28:20 AM#58
Only facts I can quote are personal experience. My son and his friends (15-16 yr olds) love WOW, and while their interest had been waning recently, many renewed their interest with the release of the new expansion. While my son has always had a sub, two of his friends re-subbed to play the new content. I have two co-workers who love WOW, and several long time gaming friends (back from Lineage 1 days) who still love the game and say they'll probably never play another MMO if they ever tire of WOW. (go figure) That said, I gave up WOW 2 years ago, and never looked back. I enjoyed it for what it had, and moved on due to what it was lacking. My son completed his level 80 Death Knight in less than a month, and is now grinding heroics for gear. He's already tiring of the drill, and told me the other day that when DarkFall comes out he's probably going to want to play it. I'll be sticking with EVE (though will break for DF if it turns out to be good) and I know of at least one gamer who won't be playing WOW. (and probably not any of the other new Blizz games coming out...just not my style)
"Just because you aren't paying doesn't mean it's not PTW." - Amaranthar |
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12/24/08 9:36:39 AM#59
Originally posted by teddyboy420
You logic fails. You mean 1/2 of the people are PAYING and NOT PLAYING? Tell me why anyone would do that. Note that 4.5M (and that is old data when WOW is still at 10M) are from US & Europe. |
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Pappy13
 Novice Member
Joined: 2/16/07
I dont need to |
12/24/08 9:45:09 AM#60
Originally posted by teddyboy420
Link please.
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