yep that's a pretty much how I found hack/slash  Aion,  now back with Potbs playing a solo Buckaneeer & glad I did. :)

Linna if you got any FLS ticket nos, ill try get them answered for you.

A lot has changed, it would be super if you came back, I might join your society.

Pls make it so, we miss good players like you.

Nice explanation i'm downloading it now so ill give it a shot, i dont mind the occasional grind as ive never really been in to full on questing games i find them more irritating then anything.

The whole pvp sounds fun but ive got a feeling after a while of getting ganked it might become annoying, hmm Ranger or gladiator, reading about them now ...can't decide though.

Originally posted by eut256

Nice explanation i'm downloading it now so ill give it a shot, i dont mind the occasional grind as ive never really been in to full on questing games i find them more irritating then anything.

The whole pvp sounds fun but ive got a feeling after a while of getting ganked it might become annoying, hmm Ranger or gladiator, reading about them now ...can't decide though.

Go ranger. They're a bit rough at the start - mostly melee for the first 16 or so levels - but they are totally amazing at later levels.

=)

Linna

Originally posted by DJXeon

yep that's a pretty much how I found hack/slash  Aion,  now back with Potbs playing a solo Buckaneeer & glad I did. :)

Linna if you got any FLS ticket nos, ill try get them answered for you.

A lot has changed, it would be super if you came back, I might join your society.

Pls make it so, we miss good players like you.

Check your PMs on MMORPG

Linna

I read this entire post and I still can't seem to understand what is going on. There's a lot of unecessary backstory about your characters, some information about France and Spain, something about a duel, and then you getting banned.

Seems you could've shortened it a bit and saved some more time.

That being said, it seems your ship has sailed.. Yeah.. I went there.

~Miles "Tails" Prower out! Catch me if you can!

The original community manager Aether thought you were cross-teaming by having multi-accounts on the same ip.

He was wrong but thats how he truly saw it at the time, strange he left FLS shortly after !

The rules have since changed to allow it & FLS have introduced national faction so that the players themselves can tag so called traitors.

This has all been a storm in a tea cup & it was unfortunate that Linna got caught up in it.

Put it down to FLS's inexperience, we would all welcome you & your hubby back now that the new rules have made everything clear.

The whole episode has been one big mis-understanding, time to let it go imo.

edited for name change.

Originally posted by DJXeon

The original community manager Aegir thought you were cross-teaming by having multi-accounts on the same ip.

He was wrong but thats how he truly saw it at the time, strange he left FLS shortly after !

The rules have since changed to allow it & FLS have introduced national faction so that the players themselves can tag so called traitors.

This has all been a storm in a tea cup & it was unfortunate that Linna got caught up in it.

Put it down to FLS's inexperience, we would all welcome you & your hubby back now that the new rules have made everything clear.

The whole episode has been one big mis-understanding, time to let it go imo.

 

 

Thanks. That summarized it up pretty good. I appreciate you taking the effort to do that.

~Miles "Tails" Prower out! Catch me if you can!

Originally posted by Miles-Prower

I read this entire post and I still can't seem to understand what is going on. There's a lot of unecessary backstory about your characters, some information about France and Spain, something about a duel, and then you getting banned.

Seems you could've shortened it a bit and saved some more time.

That being said, it seems your ship has sailed.. Yeah.. I went there.

~Miles "Tails" Prower out! Catch me if you can!

I read the whole post as well. I understand what happened since I played the game through the change from the cross-realming being nothing, it spiraled into a an issue and then it was allowed again.

Linna could've saved herself much confusion if she would've seen she herself said why she was banned. She was reported and someone banned her based on the exploit that was commonly abused by cross-realmers at that time. What she was told doesn't matter.

There will also likely never be an apology unfortunately.

It really sounds like she got the short end of the stick.

Originally posted by NightCloak 

It really sounds like she got the short end of the stick.

Yep she did along with her hubby, the truth is that FLS have sorted it now with the new rules & multi-accounts are allowed for legitimate purposes.

wrong place @ the wrong time .. it happens.

Originally posted by Linna

Originally posted by eut256

Nice explanation i'm downloading it now so ill give it a shot, i dont mind the occasional grind as ive never really been in to full on questing games i find them more irritating then anything.

The whole pvp sounds fun but ive got a feeling after a while of getting ganked it might become annoying, hmm Ranger or gladiator, reading about them now ...can't decide though.

 

Go ranger. They're a bit rough at the start - mostly melee for the first 16 or so levels - but they are totally amazing at later levels.

=)

Linna

Got up to level 6 having fun so far as a scout, i'm on an eu english server where i could only pick asmodian as elyos are dominating what suits me as i hate being on the easy side, can't wait to get higher for some pvp.. just taking it easy and not trying to powerlevel it up.

sorry for slightly changing the subject of this thread!

Originally posted by eut256

Originally posted by Linna

Originally posted by eut256

Nice explanation i'm downloading it now so ill give it a shot, i dont mind the occasional grind as ive never really been in to full on questing games i find them more irritating then anything.

The whole pvp sounds fun but ive got a feeling after a while of getting ganked it might become annoying, hmm Ranger or gladiator, reading about them now ...can't decide though.

 

Go ranger. They're a bit rough at the start - mostly melee for the first 16 or so levels - but they are totally amazing at later levels.

=)

Linna

 

Got up to level 6 having fun so far as a scout, i'm on an eu english server where i could only pick asmodian as elyos are dominating what suits me as i hate being on the easy side, can't wait to get higher for some pvp.. just taking it easy and not trying to powerlevel it up.

sorry for slightly changing the subject of this thread!

No worries about the subject change, I vaguely recall doing so as well *cough cough*. Since you're a scout: dagger in main hand, sword in off hand. As a ranger, you should give priority to sword/dagger till you have some more bow attacks (level 19 or so). As a sin (assassin) you should also get a bow, for pulling and pvp, but it's way less important.

Linna

Originally posted by DJXeon

The original community manager Aether thought you were cross-teaming by having multi-accounts on the same ip.

He was wrong but thats how he truly saw it at the time, strange he left FLS shortly after !

The rules have since changed to allow it & FLS have introduced national faction so that the players themselves can tag so called traitors.

This has all been a storm in a tea cup & it was unfortunate that Linna got caught up in it.

Put it down to FLS's inexperience, we would all welcome you & your hubby back now that the new rules have made everything clear.

The whole episode has been one big mis-understanding, time to let it go imo.

edited for name change.

 

 

Meh, that same community manager indicated in the very 'you're in violation' mail that he had grandfathered in my accounts, meaning that the old rules applied to my toons. In other words: I was not doing anything that was forbidden, even in HIS books, by actually playing the accounts. Initially the accusation was 'you're farming your Spanish account with your French account'. Which was easily disproved. So I very much don't understand what the hell he was thinking.

Inexperience can never be an excuse for things like this whole affair, especially since I was just the most 'prominent' player caught between the wheels. I can assure you I was not the only one by a long shot. Many chose to either transfer or cancel, others panicked and deleted their toons (even max level ones) to reroll to the nation others in their family were playing. And many others just went into hiding.  If you're in a business that is essentially about customer service, you cannot afford treating your customers like that.

Ironically, I remember suggesting (I think it was in closed beta even) that they should hire a sociologist with experience in MMO studies and a trained economist (preferably one from the EVE team) because they were implementing/not implementing some things in the game that would go counter to the way people and economies work. I wonder how different the game would look if they had back then.

Linna

Originally posted by Linna

 

Meh, that same community manager indicated in the very 'you're in violation' mail that he had grandfathered in my accounts, meaning that the old rules applied to my toons. In other words: I was not doing anything that was forbidden, even in HIS books, by actually playing the accounts. Initially the accusation was 'you're farming your Spanish account with your French account'. Which was easily disproved. So I very much don't understand what the hell he was thinking.

Inexperience can never be an excuse for things like this whole affair, especially since I was just the most 'prominent' player caught between the wheels. I can assure you I was not the only one by a long shot. Many chose to either transfer or cancel, others panicked and deleted their toons (even max level ones) to reroll to the nation others in their family were playing. And many others just went into hiding.  If you're in a business that is essentially about customer service, you cannot afford treating your customers like that.

Ironically, I remember suggesting (I think it was in closed beta even) that they should hire a sociologist with experience in MMO studies and a trained economist (preferably one from the EVE team) because they were implementing/not implementing some things in the game that would go counter to the way people and economies work. I wonder how different the game would look if they had back then.

Linna

Inexperience was not an excuse but it undoubtedly had something to do with it, there are times when FLS themselves did not realise what they had created so didn't know what to do to resolve things. So its pointless expecting them to apologise for something that they didn't do intentionally, you mysteriously got caught up in this affair & the reason will now never be known.

This thread is well over a year old, whilst I can understand you still may feel a little bitter FLS have new rules & your accounts are no longer banned. The new community manager has offered to give any personal assistance.

yes I agree things could have been quite different & that FLS has not helped themselves with some of their unexplained actions, personally I put it down to growing pains that many new mmorpg's experience.
Continuing to QQ or find out what went wrong is a waste of time,  nevertheless I do hope you will find some kind of closure of this matter for you both.

Sometimes its not helping anyone to wonder "why" when you will never get a proper explanation or satisfactory answer, what is important here is that FLS have learned by any mistakes like this & action to correct the confused rules done.

The game is fun & whilst this may still be a personal matter for you it does nobody any favors to be bitter & twisted after all this time.

Find your peace in life & have fun. :) If you cannot for reasons beyond your control then you have my sincere sympathy.

Forgive me if you feel I have mis-understood.

btw the Brits on Roberts could lend a hand, why not put your obvious skills & knowledge into something more constructive?

Originally posted by DJXeon

Originally posted by Linna

 

Meh, that same community manager indicated in the very 'you're in violation' mail that he had grandfathered in my accounts, meaning that the old rules applied to my toons. In other words: I was not doing anything that was forbidden, even in HIS books, by actually playing the accounts. Initially the accusation was 'you're farming your Spanish account with your French account'. Which was easily disproved. So I very much don't understand what the hell he was thinking.

Inexperience can never be an excuse for things like this whole affair, especially since I was just the most 'prominent' player caught between the wheels. I can assure you I was not the only one by a long shot. Many chose to either transfer or cancel, others panicked and deleted their toons (even max level ones) to reroll to the nation others in their family were playing. And many others just went into hiding.  If you're in a business that is essentially about customer service, you cannot afford treating your customers like that.

Ironically, I remember suggesting (I think it was in closed beta even) that they should hire a sociologist with experience in MMO studies and a trained economist (preferably one from the EVE team) because they were implementing/not implementing some things in the game that would go counter to the way people and economies work. I wonder how different the game would look if they had back then.

Linna

 

Inexperience was not an excuse but it undoubtedly had something to do with it, there are times when FLS themselves did not realise what they had created so didn't know what to do to resolve things. So its pointless expecting them to apologise for something that they didn't do intentionally, you mysteriously got caught up in this affair & the reason will now never be known.

This thread is well over a year old, whilst I can understand you still may feel a little bitter FLS have new rules & your accounts are no longer banned. The new community manager has offered to give any personal assistance.

yes I agree things could have been quite different & that FLS has not helped themselves with some of their unexplained actions, personally I put it down to growing pains that many new mmorpg's experience.
Continuing to QQ or find out what went wrong is a waste of time,  nevertheless I do hope you will find some kind of closure of this matter for you both.

Sometimes its not helping anyone to wonder "why" when you will never get a proper explanation or satisfactory answer, what is important here is that FLS have learned by any mistakes like this & action to correct the confused rules done.

The game is fun & whilst this may still be a personal matter for you it does nobody any favors to be bitter & twisted after all this time.

Find your peace in life & have fun. :) If you cannot for reasons beyond your control then you have my sincere sympathy.

Forgive me if you feel I have mis-understood.

btw the Brits on Roberts could lend a hand, why not put your obvious skills & knowledge into something more constructive?

Hah, but that's just it. I don't know if I'm really unbanned or if they just temporarily lost the files. I never got any notification whatsoever, so as far as that's concerned, I'm in limbo.

As far as this thread is concerned: it still serves a purpose I think. The company did a 180 on an important policy twice now. This is something people should keep in mind. Have FLS learned? Only time will tell. But like the whole CU/NGE fiasco in Star Wars Galaxies, it's not something that should be forgotten.

Other than that, I'm a realist, I don't really expect anything, although some answers would be nice. But while I still have some nostalgic feelings about POTBS ship combat, I moved to other games long ago. For now, Star Trek Online is out, Terra and Starcraft Online are in beta and there is SW:TOR to look forward to (even though it's overhyped).

Linna

Originally posted by Linna

 

Hah, but that's just it. I don't know if I'm really unbanned or if they just temporarily lost the files. I never got any notification whatsoever, so as far as that's concerned, I'm in limbo.

As far as this thread is concerned: it still serves a purpose I think. The company did a 180 on an important policy twice now. This is something people should keep in mind. Have FLS learned? Only time will tell. But like the whole CU/NGE fiasco in Star Wars Galaxies, it's not something that should be forgotten.

Other than that, I'm a realist, I don't really expect anything, although some answers would be nice. But while I still have some nostalgic feelings about POTBS ship combat, I moved to other games long ago. For now, Star Trek Online is out, Terra and Starcraft Online are in beta and there is SW:TOR to look forward to (even though it's overhyped).

Linna

Take it from me you are unbanned, forget official opolgies because as you say they are not likely to be forthcoming..

In my opinion hanging out your old Potbs washing for over a year on mmorpg.coms forums serves no purpose at all.

Maybe not forgotten for you but I'm sure FLS & others would like to, apart from the satisfaction of seeing FLS grovel at your feet there is no mileage left in this thread.

Best of luck with your other games :)

Originally posted by DJXeon

Originally posted by Linna

 

Hah, but that's just it. I don't know if I'm really unbanned or if they just temporarily lost the files. I never got any notification whatsoever, so as far as that's concerned, I'm in limbo.

As far as this thread is concerned: it still serves a purpose I think. The company did a 180 on an important policy twice now. This is something people should keep in mind. Have FLS learned? Only time will tell. But like the whole CU/NGE fiasco in Star Wars Galaxies, it's not something that should be forgotten.

Other than that, I'm a realist, I don't really expect anything, although some answers would be nice. But while I still have some nostalgic feelings about POTBS ship combat, I moved to other games long ago. For now, Star Trek Online is out, Terra and Starcraft Online are in beta and there is SW:TOR to look forward to (even though it's overhyped).

Linna

 

Take it from me you are unbanned, forget official opolgies because as you say they are not likely to be forthcoming..

In my opinion hanging out your old Potbs washing for over a year on mmorpg.coms forums serves no purpose at all.

Maybe not forgotten for you but I'm sure FLS & others would like to, apart from the satisfaction of seeing FLS grovel at your feet there is no mileage left in this thread.

Best of luck with your other games :)

Well, if you'll read back, you'll notice that I wasn't the one who originally hung out the dirty laundry, it was Havojeh (SP?) who tried to invalidate my opinions in another thread by pointing out I was banned. This thread followed in self defense, but I'm content to let it stand for what it is and has grown into.  Mistakes and outright blunders should not just be swept under the rug and forgotten about. And frankly, neither FLS nor die-hard fans have any reason for complaints, if I were obsessed or out for blood, this would be repeated on every MMO fan site out there.

As to the 'take it from me'.... you'll pardon me if I won't. You are to the best of my knowledge not an FLS employee, and even if you should have access to inside information, that is still nothing more than hearsay.

All they ever had to do was send a customer support mail to me (and all the others who were banned for this) saying 'Based our our recent policy changes, your account status has been reviewed and cleared, you are no longer banned'. Which should be quite simple, really: filter the database, mass mail all users affected, presto. If they can blanket unban, then this should be a piece of cake.  What happened in reality? Not a clue. Maybe they unbanned all accounts, banned for ANY reason, either on purpose or by accident. Either way, the lack of notification is a major customer support fail (although this should not surprise anyone who plays MMOs. Customer Support failures seem to be endemic.)

/shrug

Linna

Originally posted by Linna

 

Well, if you'll read back, you'll notice that I wasn't the one who originally hung out the dirty laundry, it was Havojeh (SP?) who tried to invalidate my opinions in another thread by pointing out I was banned. Linna

He was more trouble than he was worth, as to how he got into community spotlight was beyond me.

Originally posted by DJXeon

 

He was more trouble than he was worth, as to how he got into community spotlight was beyond me.

Good writing and quality posting, mainly.  I see you're not angry at FLS about that temp forum ban you bought yourself at the PotBS board last year; good for you!  :)

Originally posted by Linna

Well, if you'll read back, you'll notice that I wasn't the one who originally hung out the dirty laundry, it was Havojeh (SP?) who tried to invalidate my opinions in another thread by pointing out I was banned.

Linna

Negative.  To clarify, I didn't point out your ban to 'invalidate your opinions' in the other thread; I pointed it out because you were very adamant about having no reason at all to have any sort of grudge against FLS or their game and I stumbled upon the fact that you in fact had a huge reason to carry a grudge - a grudge that you subsequently verified.  I pointed out your ban to illuminate the bias you were swearing up and down that you didn't have.  Your opinions, just like everyone else's, are always valid.  They're opinions.  Opinions are by definition subjective, they can't be invalidated.  Just agreed with or disagreed with.

Originally posted by Havohej

Originally posted by DJXeon

 

He was more trouble than he was worth, as to how he got into community spotlight was beyond me.

Good writing and quality posting, mainly.  I see you're not angry at FLS about that temp forum ban you bought yourself at the PotBS board last year; good for you!  :)

 

Originally posted by Linna

Well, if you'll read back, you'll notice that I wasn't the one who originally hung out the dirty laundry, it was Havojeh (SP?) who tried to invalidate my opinions in another thread by pointing out I was banned.

Linna

Negative.  To clarify, I didn't point out your ban to 'invalidate your opinions' in the other thread; I pointed it out because you were very adamant about having no reason at all to have any sort of grudge against FLS or their game and I stumbled upon the fact that you in fact had a huge reason to carry a grudge - a grudge that you subsequently verified.  I pointed out your ban to illuminate the bias you were swearing up and down that you didn't have.  Your opinions, just like everyone else's, are always valid.  They're opinions.  Opinions are by definition subjective, they can't be invalidated.  Just agreed with or disagreed with.

Revisionist history ftw.

Linna

You were banned cause they found out you were a ninja weren't you?