Originally posted by ghoul31

I already posted the quote . Learn to read

 

Shit like this makes me think you're just out to rile people up.

Honestly, why are so many people yearning for UO again if it was sucha failure? people don't yearn for games that are massive failures. Most of the Darkfall hype comes from the fact that it's like UO - "the world's shittiest game" according to you. I seriously doubt you even played the game for more than a few days (if at all).

I guess everyone is just retarded. Thanks for enlightening us.

Originally posted by ghoul31

Originally posted by virox69

I have been trying to get it thru your thick head...but with no success...pre-trammel UO was not a failure...people were not leaving in droves I dont care what you or any dev says.
 

anyone who played the game pre-trammel up too trammel and more then one has already told you that the population was fine pre-trammel.....every single available house spot in the entire game was occupied...across all servers...the game was doing fine.

yes the game had lost its #1 spot at the top of the mmo heap which was maybe 4 games then UO,EQ,AC and meridian 59 but it was in no way losing subs and ying as you would have people believe.

100k subs in 2000 was NOT...I repeat NOT a failure

theres alot of games out today that would love to have 100k subs

Should I believe you or the developers of UO .. hmm I believe the developers.  But keep living in your fantasy world, thats fine with me

 

 
Do you believe Smedley on SWG?

'nuff said.

Originally posted by Evasia

UO pre-trammel showed exactly what is going to happen with DF.

1. New players won't last the first month
2. Exploits will be rampent and spread quickly. 'tricking' players into going grey will be considered a tactic. Players who are successful aren't the ones who use their skills the best, they will be the ones who learn to game the game.
3. The Flavor-of-the-month class will be the only one played. UO had a phase (about 6 months) where everyone was a mage who carried a polearm.
4. Gear grinding - You'll have to have many sets of gear stored, or else when you die with your group, you will get left behind as you try to get more gear.

There is a reason why UO made Trammel, they were losing a ton of players because of the ruleset.

If you have a pre-built guild and you plan on starting on day 1 things will seem fine for a few weeks... but the UO ruleset just is not viable for a longterm game
 

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This is totally crap your ill informed and based facts on a 11year old game, you have absolutely no clue what so ever how Darkfall is.

Again some troll try place Darkfall in negative light bah:(

"Those who cannot learn from history are doomed to repeat it"

Calling the OP a Troll in this situation adds nothing to the conversation.   These   "Facts", whether they be 11 years or 1 day old are relevant to this discussion.   Why don't you explain in detail how you feel the OP is incorrect in his assumptions instead of behaving like the troll you accuse him of being.

Originally posted by ValiumSummer

 

"Those who cannot learn from history are doomed to repeat it"

 

Calling the OP a Troll in this situation adds nothing to the conversation.   These   "Facts", whether they be 11 years or 1 day old are relevant to this discussion.   Why don't you explain in detail how you feel the OP is incorrect in his assumptions instead of behaving like the troll you accuse him of being.

 

Exactly. These people will never learn.

Originally posted by harmonica

 

Shit like this makes me think you're just out to rile people up.

 

Honestly, why are so many people yearning for UO again if it was sucha failure? people don't yearn for games that are massive failures. Most of the Darkfall hype comes from the fact that it's like UO - "the world's shittiest game" according to you. I seriously doubt you even played the game for more than a few days (if at all).

I guess everyone is just retarded. Thanks for enlightening us.

 

Asherons call darktide has most of the stuff UO had and it failed. Shadowbane has most of the stuff Darkfall has and it failed. If open pvp and full looting were really that great , there would be hundreds of thousands of people playing these games.

Just because 10 guys on a forum talk about how they loved uo cus they could gank noobs., doesn't mean the game was successful. Now that people have more options, nobody plays open pvp games.

Why don't you explain to me why all the open pvp games fail these days. You can't explain it

Originally posted by ghoul31

Originally posted by harmonica

 

Shit like this makes me think you're just out to rile people up.

 

Honestly, why are so many people yearning for UO again if it was sucha failure? people don't yearn for games that are massive failures. Most of the Darkfall hype comes from the fact that it's like UO - "the world's shittiest game" according to you. I seriously doubt you even played the game for more than a few days (if at all).

I guess everyone is just retarded. Thanks for enlightening us.

 

 

Asherons call darktide has most of the stuff UO had and it failed. Shadowbane has most of the stuff Darkfall has and it failed. If open pvp and full looting were really that great , there would be hundreds of thousands of people playing these games.

Just because 10 guys on a forum talk about how they loved uo cus they could gank noobs., doesn't mean the game was successful. Now that people have more options, nobody plays open pvp games.

Why don't you explain to me why all the open pvp games fail these days. You can't explain it

AC1 Darktide didn't fail because it was just a seperate full open PvP world to the real game.

But it was always the least populated and no one really played there for long other than the die hards which is exactly how this game is going to end up. An empty world with a few die hard people playing on it themselves.

Here are some links with some actual Dev. quotes... not just opinions. 

This first one is shortly after AoS was released:

www.markeedragon.com/forums/ubbthreads.php/ubb/showflat/Number/12253/site_id/1

This one is a collection of quotes from previous UO Devs. with the most telling quote below:

"I helped grow the game from a stagnating 96,000 subscribers to a thriving 240,000..."

rpgvault.ign.com/articles/837/837389p1.html

There is another link out there somewhere from a Dev. that posted quite a bit about the inner working of UO from when Trammel was released... haven't found it yet though.  I'll update this list when I find it. 

What about EVE ? It has almost same ruleset.

Originally posted by 6SlipKnoT6

What about EVE ? It has almost same ruleset.

That would be a good thing, but this thread is agenst DF and UO...so it wouldent be fit to talk about it here.

Originally posted by 6SlipKnoT6

What about EVE ? It has almost same ruleset.

EVE is not fully open pvp. You are safe in high sec space. Thats the way most people want it. They want areas that are safe, where you can gather resources, and kill mobs.

They don't want a game where  50 people are standing outside all the exits to town, and kill you the second you leave the city

Originally posted by ghoul31

Originally posted by ValiumSummer

 

"Those who cannot learn from history are doomed to repeat it"

 

Calling the OP a Troll in this situation adds nothing to the conversation.   These   "Facts", whether they be 11 years or 1 day old are relevant to this discussion.   Why don't you explain in detail how you feel the OP is incorrect in his assumptions instead of behaving like the troll you accuse him of being.

 

 

Exactly. These people will never learn.

Plenty of people have explained why the OP is wrong n there assesment of pre-trammel..Some people dont want to accept the it.....Read thru the thread you may learn something...

 And on another note why do you want to turn Darkfall into a PvE game , there are plenty of PvE games for folks to choose from why do you care so much..?

    If you cant be satisfied by the PvE in games like LotRo ,EQ2,WoW,etc etc .. then you never will be .. so again ask your self the question "Why am i not satisfied with the current market of PvE?"...

                                                            "Is something missing?'

                                                              " Is there no thrill "

                " Maybe you continue to search because these games are missing a thrill factor that UO pre trammel possesed" Possibly it may be what you need .

     Do you believe that Darkfall brings some revolutionary PvE mechanics not seen before.. That you must experience without being hindered by other players .....The answer is No...So if you dont have the stomach for PVP open world move along to one of these great PvE games that are out there ....

Originally posted by ghoul31

Originally posted by 6SlipKnoT6

What about EVE ? It has almost same ruleset.

 

EVE is not fully open pvp. You are safe in high sec space. Thats the way most people want it. They want areas that are safe, where you can gather resources, and kill mobs.

They don't want a game where  50 people are standing outside all the exits to town, and kill you the second you leave the city

 

So, you are that famous guy who speaks for all the people now..

Originally posted by ghoul31

Originally posted by 6SlipKnoT6

What about EVE ? It has almost same ruleset.

 

EVE is not fully open pvp. You are safe in high sec space. Thats the way most people want it. They want areas that are safe, where you can gather resources, and kill mobs.

They don't want a game where  50 people are standing outside all the exits to town, and kill you the second you leave the city

 

Anybody who is playing Eve and staying in 5.0 and up isnt even playing the game and may as well be playing X3 Reunion...

Originally posted by harmonica

Originally posted by egotrip

Originally posted by TrikkyMakk

 

 

 

Darkfall seems to make you actually need some skills.

 

LOOK AT MA DF GAMING SKILLZ: CLICK CLICK CLICK CLICK CLICK STRAFE LEFT, STRAFE RIGHT CLICK CLICK CLICK CLICK CLICK F1,F2 CLICK CLICK CLICK..........   It takes skill to play guitar, it takes skill to cook (good anyways), also to fly a plane, climb a mountain even to play chess just to name a few.For all those and many more it takes some amount of skill.                                                                                                                                        

It DOESN'T take any skill though in order to play a video-game mmo or otherwise

I disagree.

Well that's  your  opinion you're entitled to one.Opinions are like noses,everybody has one.

Skill is a learned practice. Something you have to learn in order to be good at it.

Skill and talent are not the same (unless you count having a knack for learning quickly as a talent). I think that videogames DO involve skill. If not, why are some people much better at certain games than others? It's because they took the time to learn.

Talent and skill are not the same, yes, can you be both or either of those whilst playing guitar? Yes! Driving a car?Yes! Playing chess?Yes!!! Does it take any skill or talent to play a video game? Sadly no!  Proof? Grab a 10 year old kid and place it behind a computer screen with any game of your choice mmo or otherwise and within 1 1/2 hour tops the kid will figure out the game system but place the same kid behind a wheel, playing a  complete song on the guitar or at a chess board and it's gonna take a bit more than 1 1/2 hour to learn those right talented or not.

Is being good at a game something to admire? Probably not, but it is still a skill.

You're half right there..

In UO, you did have to be skilled at the game. You could have 10 people, give them all the same stats and equipment and make them all fight - the most skilled guy would win. Hell, 1 skilled guy vs 9 not-so-skilled guys could win. That was what made UO great. It was based on your knowledge/ability to play the game and not your class/race/level/uber-magic-wand-of-carebear. Sounds like skill to me.

Sounds to me more like-the guy that could press the mouse button the fastest whilst not staying at the same spot while he was doing that would win- this hardly sounds like skill to me. 1 skilled guy vs 9 non skilled guys win?????? 1 thing i learned watching the nature channel: 1lion vs 1 hyena=lion wins, 1 lion vs 9 hyenas= hyenas eat lion stew for supper. In no game to this day can anyone claim what you just claimed sir, skill or no skill, especially if they all have the same equipment, are  the same lvl and there are no classes.....You sir are like the Hindenburg baloon, full of hot air!Seriously, how did you do it? Killed them when they were afk?

Chess and UO are both games. Whether digital or otherwise - the person who is able to anticipate his opponent's moves faster and more accurately usually wins.

Yes they are both games but only one of them has 1)a world championship 2)a world champion 3) can look good in your CV 4)exists in both RL and VL 5) has professionals (people that make money playing it) at it. Besides chess isn't a game of speed and accuracy it's a game of patience and yes predicting your opponents next move,personally i get a headache after only an hour of playing chess.

I hope Darkfall will be the same.

I hope not, getting a headache after an hour of playing doesn't sound too appealing to me

 

 

It does take skill to play computer games , it may not be skill that can be usefully applied to other areas but it is skill none the less.  Ego if no skill is required why don't you enter professional competitions?  This guys made $500,000 doing it, should be easy for you to do the same.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fatal1ty

Come back when you have won a few and post some pics of the cheques.

The high sec's in Eve aren't completely safe. There isn't much value in being in high sec anyway. All the places with opportunities to make the big cash are in the scariest of places.

Originally posted by egotrip

Yes they are both games but only one of them has 1)a world championship 2)a world champion 3) can look good in your CV 4)exists in both RL and VL 5) has professionals (people that make money playing it) at it. Besides chess isn't a game of speed and accuracy it's a game of patience and yes predicting your opponents next move,personally i get a headache after only an hour of playing chess.

I hope Darkfall will be the same.

I hope not, getting a headache after an hour of playing doesn't sound too appealing to me

 

 

 

Clearly you have a problem with playing video games (which makes me wonder why you are on MMORPG.Com, but I digress)
Think about what you are saying, before you type it please.
1) Many Video Games have world championships (I was almost flown to Korea 2 years ago to participate in a World Championship for a FPS video game, so your wrong on the first one)
2) If there are world championships (and there are) then there are also victors, who then become the world champions, so you are wrong on the second one too (I know the people who won the WC for that game, I hate them for going instead of me -.- lol)
3) Dunno what a CV is, might wanna clarify on your acronyms :P 
4) That statement is just ignorant, I mean seriously, saying that it doesn't take skill because there aren't trolls and goblins running around in real life for you to kill is just pathetic.
5) There are tons of profesionals, someone posted about Fatality, he is a profesional gamer, and there are profesional gaming teams, who are on TV (and yea, there are shows about people playing Dead or Alive, and Counter strike/various other games) and teams get paid for winning, especially when they win the championship of their league/whatever, so you are WRONG AGAIN.
6) You state that the reason why chess takes skill, is because it doesn't use speed or accuracy, and those are key parts to what "skill" means, the ability to out manuever, out perform, and out think everyone else. Chess doesn't rely solely on quickness, true, but it is a part, why else would the championship chess leagues require you to use a clock and follow strict time requirements (meaning you have to be quick, you cant just sit for 5 hours and think).

You seam to have a TOTAL bias against people who play video games, thinking that games (in general) don't take skill, because it isn't something that you can repeat in real life (IE slaying dragons etc), but games use dexterity (the ability to out click / out manuever your oponents), accuracy (the ability to not only move your mouse quickly, but to move them to the right place), and plenty of ingenuity (the ability to think quickly on your feet [or butt as the case may be] and be able to do complexe rationalities while on the move, to be able to determine what you should do, how, and when. Basically, the ability to out think your opponent). 
If the aforementioned items are not what determine "Skill" for you, I suggest you go and look it up in the dictionary. Or maybe go see a theropist.

Originally posted by Blodpls

It does take skill to play computer games , it may not be skill that can be usefully applied to other areas but it is skill none the less.  Ego if no skill is required why don't you enter professional competitions?  This guys made $500,000 doing it, should be easy for you to do the same.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fatal1ty

Come back when you have won a few and post some pics of the cheques.

Ok you got me stumped there. I had no idea really...500,000$ for playing games???? They definitely don't play with a full deck on the other side of the ocean. But hey who am i to judge them, if they got the cash and they don't know anything better to do with it they can give it away like that...............whatever

Tell you what if we ever get one round the area that i live and i have the time to do so i think i'll give it a shot......... EAAAAASY MONEY!!

Still i'm not so sure whether i would come back here or anywhere for that matter to brag about it since there is really nothing to brag about, but i will tell you if i ever get to climb Everest !!!!

Originally posted by ghoul31

Originally posted by 6SlipKnoT6

What about EVE ? It has almost same ruleset.

 

EVE is not fully open pvp. You are safe in high sec space. Thats the way most people want it. They want areas that are safe, where you can gather resources, and kill mobs.

They don't want a game where  50 people are standing outside all the exits to town, and kill you the second you leave the city

 

You mean like... umm... like you could in Britain????

Britain's secure area extended all the way out to the mountains (to the passage to x-roads). You had a huge secure area, where you could work as a lumberjack, a miner, a fisherman - in fact all crafter/gatherer types that you wanted.

In 100% security of insta-killing guards.

Originally posted by Rasputin

 

You mean like... umm... like you could in Britain????

Britain's secure area extended all the way out to the mountains (to the passage to x-roads). You had a huge secure area, where you could work as a lumberjack, a miner, a fisherman - in fact all crafter/gatherer types that you wanted.

In 100% security of insta-killing guards.

Maybe they changed it later, but at release, the safe zone was only like 50 feet from town, so you couldn't gather resources in a safe area.